twovles31

23 | 3 hours ago

PPG isn’t a stat that justifies that kind of price tag for any player, it’s everything else they bring.

the-g-off | TOR

5 | 3 hours ago

The season is also only 12 games old.

Maybe wait a few more games until hitting the panic button, lol.

Marikas_Tots | DEN

1 | 3 hours ago

Mitchell doesn’t bring anything else on the court, so PPG works in this case

pmurt007 [OP] | LAL

-16 | 3 hours ago

lol? Please enlighten everyone else what he brings to the table besides scoring because it sure as hell ain’t defense and playmaking.

ProfessionalMental13

5 | 3 hours ago

I mean for right now and in general its true, its only 13 games into the season, his PPG doesn’t matter that much yet, but from a business standpoint he brings in a shit ton of money for the cavs

First_Caterpillar680

1 | 3 hours ago

yuki kawamura brings in more money

pmurt007 [OP] | LAL

-7 | 3 hours ago

but from a business standpoint he brings in a shit ton of money for the cavs

We just talking out of our ass now? Donovan Mitchell isn’t even in top 20 of sales for Jerseys/merchandise and the Cavs as an entire team aren’t even top 10 for sales of jersey/merch. You’re grossly overrating how much money he brings in lmao

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ProfessionalMental13

1 | 3 hours ago

Without Donovan Mitchell the cavs are literally nothing lol, they have an overrated pf who is being paid 260 Mill to average 18 and 8 and a 37 year old harden, thats it

Donovan Mitchell has taken them farther in the playoffs since anybody past 2018, extending the amount of time they can make money off tickets, and having an established guy who consistently makes all-star and all nba teams make people want to buy tickets

ATM14

1 | 2 hours ago

Who gives a flying fuck? 13 games is nothing

CrunkJuiceSommelier | LAL

283 | 4 hours ago

This iteration of the Cavs just seems done to me. I’m not really impressed by anyone on this team when I watch them now even though I think they have plenty of talent.

Sharp-Selection-3541

84 | 4 hours ago

Bench James Harden and start Meleek Thomas. Trade Allen to one of the dozen teams in desperate need of a C and put mobley at the 5. Send Peyton Watson to Guangdong.

I don’t think Mitchell is the problem it just doesn’t seem like the team is a good fight for him right now. In theory having Harden allows Spidah to play off ball but this version of James is sooooooo mid. Yea I know he just had a good game recently but his effort just isn’t passing the eye test for me rn. He hasn’t just lost a step he’s straight up not taking any steps anymore.

GreatSunshine

28 | 3 hours ago

the idea of bringing mobley is nice but i think he’s like ad where he’s too frail to bang around every game. hes a decent rebounder but not a prolific one. not to mention a big part of his offensive game comes from spacing the floor so the cavs also lose out on that interior presence on offence

SuperVaderMinion | MIN

20 | 3 hours ago

This is really cliché and not particularly deep analysis from me but the Cavs have had a lot of playoff runs now and Mobley really doesn’t seem like he has “it”, he gets too passive.

Sharp-Selection-3541

8 | 3 hours ago

Yeah but I don’t think we can fault a DPOY winner for not being very aggressive on offense at this point. Yes we see the potential but he is what he is; a great defender that may get you 14-16 points and occasionally explode for 26 on a good night. It makes more sense to adapt around that instead of forcing him into a role he isn’t comfortable with.

EC_Bot

6 | 3 hours ago

Allen to the Jazz makes a ton of sense

shwiggydog | UTA

1 | 3 hours ago

Yes please! We just need a competent big at this point. Allen would be excellent

leemorplee | SAC

6 | 4 hours ago

One of those lots of talent but not all the best fits situations?

deepinmanaan | East

20 | 4 hours ago

It’s always been an oddly constructed roster with the two bigs who aren’t dynamic offensively and two guards who are complete cones

SeismicRipFart | POR

10 | 3 hours ago

It’s always been a 2k pipe dream build. Like on paper it’s great, kinda like dame and Giannis. But when you actually put those guys on the court next to each other there just isn’t any dynamic team basketball happening whatsoever.

MddlingAges | NYK

1 | 2 hours ago

Getting these two star guards was their best chance, a punchers chance. Thought the same about the Knicks until we caught fire. And if their bigs had developed differently, they’d be right there I think.

Constant-Low-5111

1 | 4 hours ago

I think so. I think this team really need a traditional PG to feed the bigs. And Harden has been better, but just feels like guards always chucking for the most part

Sandasmandas | NYK

14 | 4 hours ago

I’m not sure they were ever a thing tbh. I’m of the belief that you can’t win with James harden, especially a 37 year old James harden.

ClaymoresRevenge | CHI

8 | 4 hours ago

Trading Garland might’ve been the right move but for old Harden idk.

supes1

21 | 3 hours ago

Trading Garland might’ve been the right move but for old Harden idk.

The trade was fine, Garland wasn’t the answer and at worst it was a salary dump. The mistake was the Harden extension. It was already clear last season he had taken a meaningful step back. Just let him walk or do a sign-and-trade.

Management got fooled by the ECF run.

SuperVaderMinion | MIN

7 | 3 hours ago

Yeah I assume they promised him some kind of handshake extension deal but…just lie lmao

TardFurguson

9 | 3 hours ago

Harden’s a turnstile but so is garland, im not sure it is a huge difference

Spider-Sword

9 | 3 hours ago

We don’t beat Detroit without harden but ultimately losing in 2025 broke them

BlackTriceratops

11 | 3 hours ago

Harden being available to play in the games is a huge difference compared to garland always being in street clothes

Sandasmandas | NYK

2 | 4 hours ago

Agreed

glen_ko_ko | DET

2 | 3 hours ago

They were built just like the Knicks, in theory. But these guys just do not gel at all.

Ok_Storm1366

-1 | 3 hours ago

It was obvious when they lost to the Knicks in the first round. Was super obvious after they dominated the regular season and then crapped out in the playoffs again. They’re a rather dumb franchise. Gee, ya think trying to play two small guards and two centers and no SFs is ever going to work? Lol

Queasy_Salad7444

-3 | 4 hours ago

they would beat the lakers in 5 maybe 6 games

CrunkJuiceSommelier | LAL

4 | 3 hours ago

Analytically or for real?

Queasy_Salad7444

-1 | 3 hours ago

both

Haunted_Tree1000

2 | 4 hours ago

so beyond fucking delusional

Queasy_Salad7444

1 | 3 hours ago

how, you’re letting a lil regaulr season week or 2 full you, i think there’s a lot of teams in the east and west that would beat the lakers if healthy

Sandasmandas | NYK

0 | 4 hours ago

That’s questionable at best.

Queasy_Salad7444

-1 | 4 hours ago

not really, lakers aren’t a thing special, it’s early year but there team is luka and reeves

Sandasmandas | NYK

1 | 3 hours ago

Neither are the Cavs lol… I’m not arguing the lakers are great, I’m saying the Cavs are mid. And in a battle of two mid teams I lean the one with the top 3 player in the NBA right now

Less-Climate156

1 | 3 hours ago

maybe if the cavs get to 500 ball theyll get out of the play-in spots

Amazing_Owl3026 | CHA

1 | 3 hours ago

Have u seen what Luka can do with minimal support? He brought a similarly built team (A somewhat more talented one, tbf) to the finals

PlatypusNo6808

1 | 3 hours ago

They should’ve moved Mobley when they had the chance. Watson was also a questionable signing don’t think they needed him.

Tcamis01

-3 | 4 hours ago

They need to get rid of Harden

Your__Pal

39 | 4 hours ago

His efficiency hasn’t changed, he’s just taking fewer shots.

It seems like small sample size at this point.

SurfingStreets | TOR

77 | 4 hours ago

Hes not taking bad shots tbh, maybe he’s just having a slow start?

S0ggylemonz | BOS

91 | 4 hours ago

I hate these posts when we are like 12 games into the year.

Djaukamo | LAL

16 | 3 hours ago

He’s also coming off a monster performance, easily his best game of the season, and now this post goes up. I’m facing him in fantasy this week and he’s definitely not looking washed after his monster line last night.

Clipgang1629 | LAC

5 | 3 hours ago

People were doing victory laps after 10 games on the Heat it’s the same shit lol

Idk when people will learn, it isn’t until late December that alarm bells should start ringing

Electric_jungle | WAS

1 | 3 hours ago

He’s literally still decently efficient, there’s no story here. That contract is likely to end poorly, but he’s still a great player today.

Vicentesteb | MIN

8 | 4 hours ago

Efficiency is up from last season, he’s just taking less shots for whatever reason. Only at 16 a game.

Lolwut77 | CLE

1 | 3 hours ago

Career low FGA btw. Go figure, less shots, less points

SoftwareAny4990 | CLE

2 | 3 hours ago

Not really.

He is taking less shots. He has done this before. This is how they won 60 games a couple years back.

RecordReal123

5 | 4 hours ago

The problem is he’s lost a step. Really it was last year when suddenly he couldnt beat everyone off the dribble and it was shocking that they stay in front of him so easily in the playoffs.

SoftwareAny4990 | CLE

2 | 3 hours ago

Or he is just taking less shots. Which makes sense, the Cavs need to figure out there offense and Harden is a liability.

Queasy_Salad7444

1 | 4 hours ago

no he hasn’t

RecordReal123

-1 | 3 hours ago

Yes he has. He’s not as fast or explosive as he use to be.

He’s 30 so that isnt unexpected. But he needs to add to his game scoring wise now. Like learn to use the post and attack defenders with IQ instead of pure ability

pmurt007 [OP] | LAL

1 | 3 hours ago

And that’s reflective in his drives per game which is also down.

Wavepops

1 | 3 hours ago

his skill level is great enough that hes still a complete scorer, its just that hes 6’1 so you arent gonna make up for the type of value you have when you are dynamic to the rim in prior years

Wavepops

0 | 3 hours ago

he definitely has, hes just still athletic. cut on clips from 2023 or 2022 he was still catching bodies in the halfcourt

Queasy_Salad7444

0 | 3 hours ago

so ant lost a step?

Narc212 | NYK

13 | 4 hours ago

The season just started. If this is happening in January, then its an issue. The Cavs are what, 11 games in?

papichino88 | NYK

1 | 3 hours ago

I can’t quite explain it but it feels like he’s going to end up on the Nets before his career is over.

SnooPies405 | BKN

1 | 3 hours ago

I want him here so bad idc if he’s washed. Dude belongs in NY

papichino88 | NYK

1 | 3 hours ago

I don’t think he’s washed at all. And the contract ends at his age 34 season, he should still be giving out borderline all star production then.

SnooPies405 | BKN

1 | 3 hours ago

He’s def not washed now lol, but I don’t think the Cavs would move him for another few years

thatisagoodrock | NYK

1 | 3 hours ago

holy shit you guys left nj?

Important-Net-9805 | CLE

10 | 3 hours ago

Lil early to call it the worst extension in the league, isn’t it? lol 12 games in bro

Coolguynumber01 | GSW

8 | 3 hours ago

OP definitely trying to capitalize on karma after Mitchell’s out of context “cancel the game” post

Goatlikejordan | NYK

6 | 4 hours ago

Think he’ll be fine with end of season

OngoGablogiansAlt | LAL

1 | 3 hours ago

I feel like more than anything it’s probably just a change in what the team’s trying to do since he’s still efficient. I know Harden is having a rough start, but is he taking some of the looks away from Donovan to start the season?

moabu08

1 | 3 hours ago

Why is every one in a rush to hand out contract extensions to players with a year left on their deals

StoneColdAM | LAL

1 | 3 hours ago

Cleveland has been too slow to make meaningful changes over the last few years. Harden feels like too little too late. They had a solid recovery post LeBron but didn’t go further. Feels like they were hoping LeBron would save them. Not an embarrassing lottery team, but probably stuck in their current spots

chillPenguin17

1 | 2 hours ago

Mitchell at $70m is a contract that’s gonna age like milk, Cavs are fucked sorry bros

Wavepops

2 | 3 hours ago

their window has closed

MacJonesisaterrorist | BOS

5 | 3 hours ago

Never had a window, they’ve lost in the playoffs to every serious team they faced

ajteitel | PHX

9 | 3 hours ago

It was a painting of a window

Wavepops

1 | 3 hours ago

team build wise

Kindly_Letterhead_98

-3 | 3 hours ago

Fr if not for ingrams injury they would’ve been bounced by the raptors in the first round

agirlinferno

3 | 3 hours ago

The Brandon Ingram who shot ³⁄₁₅ and ⁶⁄₂₂ and had all raptors fans begging for him to be benched?

metaslaves | TOR

1 | 3 hours ago

Yes, the Brandon Ingram that had to get surgery immediately in the off season and still won us a game.

jjkm7 | TOR

0 | 3 hours ago

He was playing through an injury

Uhavetabekiddingme

2 | 3 hours ago

Lol Ingram was hurting the Raptors they got better when he went out.

riped_plums123 | BOS

1 | 3 hours ago

What window?

Wavepops

1 | 3 hours ago

team build wise

riped_plums123 | BOS

0 | 3 hours ago

Nah bro this team as currently constructed never beating the spurs or thunder. James harden is old.

Wavepops

1 | 3 hours ago

i know

Lucky-old-boy | DEN

0 | 3 hours ago

Closed the second they traded for harden

jcwkings

2 | 3 hours ago

He was always a guy that would take a steep fall once he lost a little quickness and athleticism.

Queasy_Salad7444

2 | 4 hours ago

you guys are casuals putting post like this and then casuals will run with it, his assist percentage numbers are the highest they’ve been in a while and shooting the ball less, he’s usage is down too, letting others do more

Less-Climate156

-3 | 3 hours ago

bro DONOVAN MITCHELL is supposed to be doing more

Queasy_Salad7444

2 | 3 hours ago

he’s letting the others more which is what the fan wanted, they don’t care about regular season at this point

Less-Climate156

-2 | 3 hours ago

cavs dont care about the playoffs either lmao

Queasy_Salad7444

4 | 3 hours ago

what a stupid thing to say, so 27 other team don’t too

SoftwareAny4990 | CLE

1 | 3 hours ago

He really isn’t.

He has taken some criticism about not finding the open guy. The Cavs ball movement is atrocious

randsrocks | SAC

2 | 4 hours ago

Small guard regression comes for them all

randsrocks | SAC

5 | 3 hours ago

Unless you’re Curry but he’s an exception to the rule since he’s the greatest shooter of all time.

Couragesand | UTA

3 | 3 hours ago

I guess let’s see what happens with brunson

Quirky-Sentence-3744

0 | 3 hours ago

he’s not this level to begin with tbh

Unfamous_Trader

1 | 3 hours ago

Dumbest take I’ve heard all week 👏

Quirky-Sentence-3744

1 | 3 hours ago

give me curry give me shai give me luka give me maxey

Wack0HookedOnT0bac0

1 | 3 hours ago

His first season was hid best. Imo

noahhova

1 | 3 hours ago

Hes still good dont let the counting numbers fool you in a small sample size

Unendingmelancholy | TOR

1 | 3 hours ago

I would be sick if I was a cavs fan AT&T, washed up harden and this selfish chucker

Dangerous_Ad5039

1 | 3 hours ago

Imagine trading a bunch of young guys for Kawhi 😂 if I was a raptors fan I’d be sick.

Doten1

1 | 3 hours ago

‘Young guys’ 😂

Donovan Mitchell is currently averaging 23ppg, his worst since his sophomore year in the NBA. His extension does not kick in until next year and at $69m AAV he will be one of the highest paid players in the league.