Good_NewsEveryone | NOP

41 | 9 hours ago

Amazing he’s doing this even after losing an offensive mastermind coach

P5Manchero [OP]

12 | 9 hours ago

I like Mose as a person but it’s undeniable that the magic now appear to have a plan outside of Paolo/franz iso. I think we might have more lob dunks this year than all of last year.

DharmaBaller | POR

3 | 4 hours ago

WCJ unlocked

Connect_Cat_2045 | GSW

59 | 9 hours ago

I’m still pissed Joe Lacob drafted “Johnathan Kuminga” over this demon

P5Manchero [OP]

42 | 9 hours ago

It is actually crazy how Franz is like built in a lab to play warriors type basketball but they were enticed by the athletic iso baller instead. Franz cutting off of Draymond and Steph’s actions would’ve been too OP.

SuperVaderMinion | MIN

14 | 8 hours ago

“Athletic iso baller”

Iguodala, they were seeing Iguodala, a super athletic guy with great scoring ability put into an overqualified roleplayer position. I assume Golden State figured they could teach him all of the mental stuff but that didn’t happen.

Connect_Cat_2045 | GSW

7 | 7 hours ago

learned nothing from wiseman

tollbeat | WAS

2 | 4 hours ago

At least they finally learned with Yaxel

Wavepops

-7 | 8 hours ago

He can’t shoot so not exactly

P5Manchero [OP]

10 | 8 hours ago

Iguodala wasn’t a shooter and was great with those guys. Curry makes up for a lot of spacing problems.

DudleyDoody | LAL

4 | 8 hours ago

Max Kellerman downvotes this

tcos17 | ORL

21 | 8 hours ago

He’s both more aggressive looking for his shot and becoming a better play maker for others. His shooting has looked better too, maybe his shoulder was just bugging him to start the year.

All I want in the world is to be able to see like 20 uninterrupted games of our core guys on the court together so we can finally see what we have.

InTheBinFC | NBA

17 | 9 hours ago

If he does not get injured he would be an ez pick

Firm-Explanation8607 | SAS

15 | 9 hours ago

All star leap this year Wagner FC is closed everybody stay on that side

PLAYBUL

7 | 8 hours ago

30 in four straight and the jumper finally falling is the scary part, he was already hard to stay in front of

MrBuckBuck | POR

3 | 7 hours ago

Trade away Banchero.

The Magic look so much better when Franz is the barometer of this team.

P5Manchero [OP]

9 | 7 hours ago

The magic need both if we are going to win at a high level. Franz will feast even more when paolo is demanding doubles. Good like trying to guard both in the same lineup.

CaptainBananafishJr | ORL

7 | 5 hours ago

yeah, the real shift here is point-franz, having him be our primary ball handler (instead of Suggs).

TemporaryJaguar6748

1 | 3 hours ago

Is this there to stay? Asking bc I have both him and Paolo in Fantasy lol

Soft-Run-3577

-1 | 7 hours ago

This sounds nice but isn’t really true. Across a large amount of data the Magic are fine with just Franz (and in fact better by a significant margin without Paolo). If they can convert to role players at a similar valuation they can create something way better than Paolo in the aggregate.

And a bit preemptively, yes Paolo has had some nice playoff bursts but I’m really not convinced because averages out we don’t really see players who are mediocre at best in the regular season stay playoff superstars. Mitchell and Murray were close but then put up several duds to regress back (plus Murray regular seasons have picked up).

P5Manchero [OP]

4 | 7 hours ago

You would have to completely ignore the value of shot creation to come to this conclusion, especially for an offensively challenged team like the magic. Even when Franz is cooking like right now the magic badly lack shot creation. Next in line as shot creators are Bane, Anthony Black, and then Suggs. You can somewhat get away with it in the regular season but in the playoffs if we come across cleveland for example without paolo you’d see franz facing mobley/watson on the perimiter with allen/mobley waiting for him at the rim. You wouldn’t expect franz to be able to dominate in that scenario so you need someone else to draw defensive attention and create advantages.

Luka even needs an extra shot creator next to him and Franz doesn’t come close to touching Luka’s usage. The magic need both because neither on their own is likely to win a head to head matchup with the top players.

Soft-Run-3577

-1 | 5 hours ago

You would have to ignore insane amounts of data where they have done just fine without your so called shot creation. He is absolutely recreatable in aggregate and even better.

Kait0yashio | ORL

7 | 7 hours ago

Where was this talk when we were like 1-7 and he was playing his dog shit. I love Franz but we played the 4 worst team in the league just to get to 5-7

CaptainBananafishJr | ORL

2 | 5 hours ago

asinine take lol. Franz is balling but the last three wins have been against the three worst teams in the league. The real difference is that Sweeney is using Franz as point-forward, which would actually improve his pairing with Banchero.

foofighter1351 | TOR

2 | 4 hours ago

Their win streak has 2 wins between em calm tf down lmao

MrBuckBuck | POR

1 | 4 hours ago

He looked really good also in the loss to the Warriors in OT

Character-Raise-3789

1 | 7 hours ago

for what exactly?

Andr0id_Paran0id | ORL

1 | 5 hours ago

So because we beat the 3 worst teams in the league we should get rid of playoff riser banchero. Ok.

Prudent-Corgi3793

5 | 6 hours ago

Their stat profile looks similar, but impact metrics consistently have Franz Wagner as a star and Paolo as average at best.

SamURLJackson | ORL

1 | 2 hours ago

They’ve turned to a heliocentric model since Paolo went out, and Franz did not respond well to start. He was getting to the rim but couldn’t finish and his decision making was very suspect. During the west coast trip he’s gotten his rhythm and swagger back. The jumper looks different but with much less hitch. He’s drunk on confidence right now, but he’s done this before. He carried us last year during the NBA cup with similar play. This time, though, we’ve basically made him the first option AND the primarily ball handler, which is too much responsibility, IMO, but he’s grown into it. Not sure how sustainable it is, since his game is based on being so physical in getting to the rim and he’s playing a lot of minutes. If he goes down then we are done

Arixxtra

0 | 5 hours ago

anyone saying trade Paolo because Franz put up good numbers Vs the worst teams in the league sound stupid, Fraz still has no mid range, his shot has a hitch that comes and goes and the Teams FT avg is not as high with Paolo out, as well as shot creation when Franz hits the bench is hella bad without Paolo there.

Paolo in this new system his first 2 games looked All-Nba with him and Franz P&R’n

Special_Intention_54

-3 | 6 hours ago

When you are a Lakers fan and you used to see Luka’s number so far this season and you see this number you are like that’s good numbers? That’s Luka’s bad night and I checked the stats and that’s pretty good stats.

TlMBO_SLlCE | ORL

6 | 4 hours ago

Why are you glazing Luka in a Franz thread?

thatonesleft | LAC

1 | 4 hours ago

Ugh. Insufferable.

Actionman___

1 | 4 hours ago

Not everyone can be Luka… why would you bring him up?

“Yaxel Lenderborg is a bad rookie because Wilt averaged 45 points and 25 boards.” Thats how your comment sounds

Actionman___

0 | 4 hours ago

I think Banchero and Franz don’t fit together. As a german I love Franz of course so he is better :P

But seriously, they cannot coexist. One has to be traded.

Franz is open floor fast pace and Banchero is set play, slow Iso-Force.

ThinksHesVayneMaster | HOU

-2 | 8 hours ago

I think Magic should trade Paolo but Franz’s health is kinda concerning, he missed a lot of games last two years. If he stays healthy and keeps this up, I think Paolo is the odd man out

P5Manchero [OP]

3 | 7 hours ago

Franz averaged 72 games in his first 4 season. He has had one bad injury that kept him out last year and other than that hes been an iron man. Neither need to be traded.

YKG1998 | NYK

2 | 7 hours ago

They are likely a first or second round exit at best. At some point they need to try and make a change.

P5Manchero [OP]

5 | 6 hours ago

We changed our coach and entire way of playing. Last season with Franz we were up 3-1 on the pistons. Our whole team is built around 25 and unders. Our old guy is bane who is 28. We are not in a rush to make a change for the sake of it before this team has had a chance to prove itself. If we underperform this season that becomes a discussion but its premature at this moment in time.

Kait0yashio | ORL

2 | 7 hours ago

We did we fired our coach. I’m not going to let 12 games where we missed Paolo and suggs for 10 of them make us switch things up so quickly

yeeetmxster420 | LAL

-5 | 9 hours ago

I need this man on the Lakers

P5Manchero [OP]

14 | 9 hours ago

You can’t have 6’10” Luka when you already have 6’8” Luka buddy

tcos17 | ORL

4 | 9 hours ago

Not a center, you can’t have him

Tommy_Lee_Hoes

-2 | 7 hours ago

Team is so much better without the Franz-Paolo-Desmond trinity. Still think getting Desmond was unnecessary as hell

thewrongnotes | ORL

5 | 6 hours ago

Bane fits better with both guys than they fit with eachother

ham_bulu | LAL

2 | 5 hours ago

Bane is also close with Franz off the court

DerNigglasch

-3 | 6 hours ago

Get rid of Banchero

Wavepops

-6 | 8 hours ago

His 3 ball is not coming around why lie

P5Manchero [OP]

7 | 8 hours ago

Where’s the lie? 36% in the 4 game stretch I mentioned. Making 3 in ³⁄₄ of those games.

Wavepops

-4 | 5 hours ago

lol

ham_bulu | LAL

3 | 5 hours ago

This, kids, is called the “lol cop out“.

in earlier days people used to say “interesting, I didn‘t know“.

Sure, it‘s weird as hell and might even make you look dumb, but that‘s still better than a wall of text isn‘t it?

Wavepops

1 | 3 hours ago

hes shooting 25 percent for the year, 4 games (mostly against lower level teams) doesnt mean something has “changed”. dude has played the bucks jazz and kings and you are making posts about his swagger. franz has already proven himself as a regular season star, the magic need the playoffs to actually prove something.

thats why i say LOL

Franz Wagner is 7 Games So Far in November: 27/7/9 59.3 TS%