Wiz haven’t won 50 games in 50 years

It was 1 season in 2 decades you saw this. And the guy who took us there was promptly sent away (Mike Brown) to go immediately win a championship somewhere else. I love my Kings and I always will as long as they stay in Sac but we are in a situation where the team needs to be sold for us to have a real shot at sustainable competence. And my bet is that if they ever are sold they will immediately be relocating.

The Bucks won a championship in the last ten years. I’m not even one of these championship or bust fans - I think supporting a team because they are good and enjoyable to watch brings value to my life even if they can’t win the whole damn thing - but on this score the Bucks having such a recent championship must remove them from any worst franchise discussions.

Even better is that all they had to do was play GTJ like, 15 minutes a night for a week or two to start the season then sit him indefinitely for muscle strain and this investigation would have died immediately. The Bucks are playing 1D chess and still losing.

The Bucks had a once in a lifetime player. The last player they had like that was Kareem. A small market team doing whatever they can to try and please one of the top players in the world isn’t that far fetched. I will say a lot of moves didn’t work. Turner, Dame, 5 second round picks for Jae Crowder, etc. But some did. Getting Jrue Holiday and PJ Tucker brought the Bucks a championship. The GTJ move was dumb, but he also played pretty damn well before last year. Also the Trent deal looks even dumber because I’m sure they originally planned on him playing alongside Giannis.

Chip

Wdym GTJ is a superstar, is he not?

I agree!

I agree go Cavs

Pelicans low key terrible but no one cares.

Lost CP3 and AD, drafted Zion (the big Kawhi) and now have an overlapping roster as bad as the Heat, but they get a fraction of the attention. How many of their players instantly gained valued on their next team? They might out-Kings the Kings there.

Nah but they had no business trading Lamelo amid now they got the injury karma coming to haunt them.

I don’t think y’all know how to count.

It makes you wonder, do you think the Kings would’ve traded Luca for AD?

Nah, at that point Luka was an unknown prospect (so was Bagley but still). When Dallas traded him he was a multiple All-NBA guy.

If the Hornets get the #1 pick this upcoming draft, which could happen, they could form a new core of that pick/Kon/Miller.

I’m still pretty sure that was setup. Trade the Lakers Luka and we’ll gift you Flagg, otherwise it was the dumbest trade in trade history.

Never forget how they rigged the draft for them to get Flag.

Not the first time the Lakers rigged the draft for someone.

Don’t forget trading Haliburton when he wanted to stay

or 123 Nik Rocks

I don’t remember the prophecy: please enlighten me.

Nash and Paul

How come they get to separate the GM who did that , while we can’t? Monte McNair is the one who traded away Hali, Davion and Fox. He’s with the Clippers now.

Before anyone goes hurr durr Marvin Bagley. The most current slander against us is trading away another PG.

On the topic, we’re a pretty fucking stupid franchise.

What about not extending Brunson, then having to trade for Kyrie to replace Brunson’s production, then trading Luka anyways.

Way more than one mistake.

This is akin to saying blowing off your fingers with a firecracker is a “one time mistake”

Shoutout Jason Pierre-Paul

Fine. The Luka trade

two words : Luka and Nico Harrison

The only reason we fell into the play-in and then the lottery is because Kyrie got hurt

There’s no way you actually believe the other owners like Steve Ballmer would’ve been fine with that lmao. Use your brain cell

Bro what? They did not get a haul, and Flagg has nothing to do with that trade except maybe being ass enough to sneak into the lottery and get lucky.

Yo howd you get your Fuck Miles Bridges flair

Clippers lost wayyyyyyyy more picks thanks charlotte did for Kawhi

Ik everyone takes what Doc says with a grain of salt but apparently he was really high on Shai as a prospect even if nobody could have predicted he’d become what he has now. I also think he probably doesn’t get this good without playing with CP3

Everyone on here despised Melo literally 1.5 years ago so I really just dont care about how they feel about the team at all lol. Trading him was a horrible decision but we’ve been the most injured team in the league so far and the team is starting to play better.

Everyone was calling the Wizards a possible playoff team this offseason and they have the same record as us lol. Nothing on here matters.

It’s happening because the hornets are the flavor of the month team to dunk on and everyone is rewording the same topic so they can get their own chance at the karma farm. Never mind the fact that there’s 4 teams with literally 1 win so far this season. Somehow we’re the bottom of the league.

Expecting Lamelo to carry your team is a poor expectation, hes not Lebron. He has shown himself to be an elite PG who elevates the play of his teammates.

If LaMelo isn’t that guy, explain why the Timberwolves look like world beaters now and the hornets look like crap

This comment, and the organization’s so-called justification for the trade, completely miss what is has been like to be a Hornets fan. We don’t give a shit about winning a ring. Lamelo clearly gave us an entertaining product and a very good shot at making the playoffs assuming he stayed healthy. That is our “ring”. When you haven’t been relevant in 20 years that is all you hope for. And last season gave me a taste of it and it was awesome, despite ending in a play in loss.

The second apron has really messed with the traditional way of team building. You can’t have an injury prone guy on a max contract. And Lamelo while a good player, is not a max contract level player in the era of the second apron.

It’s not even a ceiling/floor discussion though, it’s just health. He was a big part of your team feeling hopeless for a while because your max contract superstar was just never healthy and in the season he finally was healthy, he still had to be carefully load-managed to get through the season.

You basically took a bet against his health and that seems pretty reasonable and while it feels really shit now cause you guys are struggling and he’s playing really well, if those injuries ever creep back in everyone is gonna be talking about how smart Charlotte were to move on from a guy who cant stay on the floor

I still understand their logic though. They’re hunting for their next “1A” tent-pole superstar (ala Flagg, Wemby, Tatum, Ant, Luka, etc.) that you mostly get from a high draft pick (or fleecing the Mavs with Brunson and Luka again, or the Clippers for SGA). The package though was not fantastic: Hornets got one “swap of a swapped pick” in 2028, a “maybe” swap in 2029 (the Wolves have to select top 5 or its gone), an unprotected swap in 2030, and a very juicy unprotected 1st in 2033.

I think it’s critical they get Naz playing better (49% TS and 28% usage is not ideal) so that the return looks a bit more reasonable…

I still trust this front office though, given that they did that absolute heist of the Suns’ unprotected 2033 pick and Grayson Allen for Miles Bridges and a crappy 2029 first.

Except you will have to pay him a ton of money for a potential low floor and injured seasons. I get why they traded him since they have other young players to build around. GMs have to balance the now with 2 or 3 years from now and if they dont think Ball is going to make your team competitive 2 years from now when hes on a max contract then it makes sense to trade him

The thing is that we did. Seeing it through was letting him try to play us into the playoffs. Do you remember that part? It didn’t go well.

Once the organization determined that Lamelo was not their guy, why would they not make that trade when things appeared to be going well? You get more things in return than trying to make a trade when Lamelo is sidelined with another nagging injury. Sell high remember.

It’s so funny to me to talk about “if LaMelo can’t stay healthy” when the guy we paid all his money to (Miller) also can’t stay healthy and the next guy up (Kon) has played 6 fucking minutes this season and is already out 4+ more weeks

The flip side of that is that it’s easier to stay healthy on a better team where you’re asked to do less. So I wouldn’t say it’s likely that he’ll be just as injury prone as always.

I know this is a real talking point but people also don’t give any thought to possible reasons he played so many games last year. Last year was the first time he wore ankle braces the whole season and took his health incredibly seriously. Along with that the team regulated his minutes.

People forget that it is possible to have ankle issues and figure out how to resolve the (I.e Steph).. so it’s not unprecedented that he could have a great career.

Peak value is what? Naz Reid and an 8th grader?

Recurring ankle injuries are tough though. Imagine what it would be like if there was a young undersized PG who looked really good when on the court, but who struggled early in his career with recurring ankle injuries until he eventually figured it out. Seems hard to believe a situation like that could ever improve.

I think Lonzo Ball being out of the league made it worse, it’s known that their dad trained those kids, if Lonzo is cooked with that training regime, what are the chances that Lamelo isn’t?

In 22-23 he had 3 left ankle sprains severe enough to make him miss a bunch of games, then fractured his right ankle and needed surgery by Feb. In 23-24, he sprained his right ankle again and eventually got shut down to continue his rehab. I don’t think it was just outright tanking, since in 24-25 he had more right ankle problems and eventually needed surgery for an ankle impingement (there are never “minor” surgeries).

All I’ve learned from this is that literally no one outside of hornets fans watch our games except for when their team plays us. We haven’t played a single game with our full roster healthy this year and yet there’s still teams performing worse than us. Yes there’s been two bad blow out losses but we also blew out the Cavs without even Miller healthy.

It’s absolutely impossible to say what this teams quality is so far this year. Is it worse than last year? Almost definitely. But people talk like we’re the worst team in the league even though there’s multiple teams with worse performances and records than us.

This is a ridiculous comment. The dude averaged 19/5/3 as a rookie on 63% true shooting. He was also a way better defender than LaMelo or Miller last season.

If anything, Kon is way better than most people think

The hell are you talking about lol

I think the bigger problem is that he was GREAT, but only with Lamelo on the floor. I think his TS% last year was something like 8 points better with Lamelo than without. Which is a problem if you want to make him your centrepiece after you traded Lamelo away.

Who do you think is inarguably better?

Well, a large number of teams (both well-managed and poorly managed) seem to have been overtaken by the injury bug. Not sure how much we can blame the Hornets for Kon’s injury (or credit the Wolves for LaMelo being ok so far). Hopefully Melo’s been wearing his ankle braces though!

I don’t disagree, but the likely hood of the kings squandering him and shipping him off to another team is basically guaranteed in my book.

I’m a Pacers fan and the Kings gave us Tyrese Haliburton LOLOLOLOLOL

Nets can rightly blame covid for their problems, we’d never know about Kyrie and his conspiracies otherwise

They went for it and were the hottest team in the league for a minute

Everyone hated to see their pre KD core go but that’s exactly the kind of move everyone wants these other teams to make

Jazz at least have the assets and young guys to be good lmfao, same with a lot of others

How do the nets have nothing💀

The fact that we got Grayson, Royce and a first for Bridges is insane. I was happy to get a wife beater off the roster anw but Grayson and Miles are about equal as players anw

Yea they could have been better there, but bringing in Schroeder is a good step in the right direction

Coby White and Kon are on the team but have barely played. If they were both healthy all year I think the Hornets would easily be over .500

could still happen. all it would take is an injury, or the timberwolves performing poorly, or the hornets to start getting decent wins for the narrative to start changing

They didn’t sell high whatsoever

He may be just that this year once Edwards is back

I disagree, thinking a team should be less ambitious because they’ve sucked in the past makes 0 sense to me outside of fans wanting to be able to brag on twitter. Regardless, the best way to gain respect would be to create a true contender

He sat close to ten games at the beginning of the season and they were 4-14 without him…. Fixed it for you

Yea they clearly don’t think Kon or Brandon is a first option as of rn. If they did they would have kept Lamelo. I think they’re waiting for a star to become available on the market if they can’t draft one

Lamelo wasnt good for the hornets dude, hornets were dead last 5 out of 6 seasons he was there

In the playoffs you need someone who can score when it matters most. It’s so so vital especially late game to be able to give someone the ball and know they can score it. Lamelo can sometimes do that, but he’s not consistent at all

Oh yes they were completely wrong, Lamelo is an all star and always had been. Although saying that a contender is better than a rebuilding team is not the gotcha you seem to think it is

The Hornets traded LaMelo assuming that their starting backcourt would be Coby White and Kon. Kon has played 6 minutes this season and White just got back

As a long-term Nets supporter, the org talking about culture is always a prelude to years of bad decision making.

No it isn’t. Not if you watched them play.

They went all-in for the ring and got it. After the ring they got both unlucky with injuries and made some really dumb decisions.

Well tbf Lamelo is not the best player for the Timberwolves

Except that one metric of actually playing games

except the metric of winning games lmao

This is one of those stats that sounded so fake I had to google it. I would’ve sworn one of the Gilbert Arenas teams or the team with CWebb got to 50 at least once.

My sympathies to all the long suffering Wizards fans.

To name a few. But yes wiz also there

Patrick Williams alone puts us on this list lmao. Bulls were the 5th worst team in the league for YEARS, then the draft finally changes where that would help us…. And now we’re the WORST team in the league

Bc the Bulls were ass for 10 years without Jordan, did a little good for like 3-4 years with Drose, and went back to being dog water for another 10 years. Even the pels and kings have been better than them

When was the last time bulls were relevant?

It’s a dumb take that those franchises are ran poorly?

Ask the current GMs of these teams.