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I love basketball but most local broadcasts are awful for this exact reason.
I miss Stacey. I really do. But he would absolutely do this kind of thing too sometimes and even as a Bulls fan I would get annoyed.
I also dislike this kind of thing because it makes dumb fans think national announcers are biased against their favorite teams just because they don’t get hysterical over a bad foul call or missed whistle.
You are 100% right about this one. It’s funny watching a national broadcast and both fan bases think the announcers and refs are against their team. It can’t be both
That’s why I love Jim Pete as our local announcer. He’s a just biased enough while also keeping it real with what he’s seeing. He often calls out players on our team, but in an objective and fair way. Alternatively, he also calls out refs or other players and it’s rarely ever off base. Don’t get me wrong, sometimes it is, but more often than not if he’s saying something is right or wrong you can take it to the bank.
Yeah Jim will call a spade a spade…. if our guy screws up it’s because he should do better… not some other player.
Love Jim Pete. I’m still upset Grady won’t be around much longer due to his rise, because those two have been fantastic the last couple seasons. Great dynamic
Scalabrine for Boston is the same way, will definitely call something tiny a foul, but then when watching the replay will readily admit he was wrong. And then his partner, Drew, will rib him for it.
I’m not even a Celtics fan specifically but I think Scalabrine does a really nice job of toeing the line where he’s a homer but also fair.
Scal will go on a 45 second exhortation about how awesome the other team’s 7th guy is and I love him for it lol
I laugh every time Scal makes an obvious homer call on live because I know that he will walk it back with replays 30 seconds later. He sometimes seems like arguing with himself.
I hate the Celtics and I like Scalabrine
Scal was on a roll all night, saying “you don’t need to call that” for fouls going both ways.
I really like Scal overall, but man I just can’t get over his voice itself it completely takes me out of the game when I hear him. And that’s unfortunate too, because overall he’s great on the mic.
Two announcing teams ago we had some crazy homers on the job, Mike and Mike, they loved the team, and we all loved them. Then we switched and brought in Kevin Calabro, whom your team was smart enough to pick up after our new owner went cheap. It was an adjustment, but now I’d take the quality upgrade over the rabid home team announcement 10⁄10.
Blazers too. Kevin, Lamar, and Travis are great at calling a spade a spade and admitting when their gut reactions are wrong
Hold on ima stop you right there the national broadcaster’s absolutely be riding with their own agenda
I’ll post the clips later but Doris Burke and Richard Jefferson’s tears in 2025 were delicious after everyone picked the wolves to lose to LA and their announcing made the series so unenjoyable as they didn’t hide who they favored one bit
I’ll never forget how openly disappointed and almost angry they sounded when the Hawkeye camera from above showed that LeBron clearly smacked Ant on the wrist to cause a ball to go out of bounds in that series lol.
I remember when Denver won their chip they straight up couldnt hide their distain and dissapointment
I’m not saying they never favor a team.
I am saying the majority of the time fans from both sides think the announcers and the officials are favoring the other team. That’s the part that’s not possible
Idk I still remember Doris Burke chugging embiids meat like 3 seasons ago. He was immaculate in her eyes.
that shit was so god damn annoying. game is between Cavs and Pacers, “you know, this is where Embiid would really shine..”
His story is incredible! He’s from Cameroon and he only started playing basketball at 16! All he had for a ball was some inflated roadkill. HE WAS PLAYING ON GRAVEL WITH HALF A FLIP FLOP. I swear guys given enough time Embiid could cure cancer.
Doris Burke.
is there a reason you can’t describe a female commentator’s bias without making it sexual?
If it was Dale Burke I’d still say chugging on his meat. Don’t make this weirder than Doris already made it.
Mike green is the unbiased GOAT for the knicks.
It kinda can be both. If the national game is something like Cavs-Hornets you can tell the national announcers don’t give a shit about either team and wish they were calling a Lakers game.
What the heck
No offense, mate. They do it to my team also.
Being neutral but vocal on many issues is surely a classic way of getting shit from both sides.
EDIT: and… of course, someone’s already upset, lol.
I strongly agree. Was listening to the Hawks vs Lakers Monday and their announcers were so whiny.They were begging for calls with minimal base. Any 50⁄50 calls were “definitely” fouls. It’s one thing to say “hey I wonder if that arm use by the opposing player’s use of the arm qualified as an offensive foul”…but insisting it really is a clear foul and repeatedly complaining about it is just annoying. And this kinda complaint happened a lot…
I’ll give them kudos they didn’t bash our players though, so I wouldn’t call the broadcast bad, just annoying.
Lakers, Pelicans, and Cavs have some of the best commentary. All 3 of those commentary teams are more likely to shame their own team rather than be homers. they call their guys out when they are not getting back on defense and ridicule coaching decisions when they don’t make sense.
Agree about the Pels. I like their team. Ours are really good too
Bob has gotten whinier over the years. As much as I love him, he’s super old now and I wouldn’t hate a fresh voice on the mic
Mavericks have a good set of broadcasters too.
insisting it really is a clear foul and repeatedly complaining about it is just annoying.
The Hawks’ announcers correctly pointed out that is not only a foul, but supposed to be a point of emphasis this year that the refs have been largely ignoring across the board. I am sorry that this accurate critique of NBA officiating hurt your feelings.
It’s why I love the Lakers announcers (not including Danny green)
I miss Stu :(
It’s gonna be rough when he retires
Wait, what, Stu is gone??? I’m an avid laker hater to the extreme, but I have always LOVED their commentary team going all the way back to the legend himself, Chick Hearn. I loved Stu.
He’s only doing home games this year, can’t travel anymore. Danny Green has been pretty shit on the road calls.
I don’t get why Danny Green was even hired, like didn’t we have more qualified people in line?
Gotta admit I prefer Joel Meyers to Bill MacDonald, but I don’t think the Lakers have had a poor commentary team once in their history. It’s either excellent or non-existent.
Obligatory “why can’t the Lakers just suck for once?”
Jordan Farmar over Danny Green
Tf is wrong with Danny. He’s doing just fine.
Genuinely curious, are you being serious? We’re not talking about DG as a player, but as a broadcaster.
He talks like me reading off my hand when I didn’t practice for my Spanish class presentation. He talks like he’s reading off a teleprompter that’s on a 2 second delay. He mumbles like a kid eating cereal while watching Saturday morning cartoons.
He mumbles and moans and talks while Billy Mac is mid sentence. I don’t blame DG but asking him to commentate is like asking him to be the main ball handler and facilitator back in his playing days; it’s just not gonna work.
If you think he mumbles, maybe you have some problems with hearing. I can hear and understand him quite fine.Yes, he is not the most expressive, but he has game knowlege and actually talks about things as they are.He is not what us fans are used to, but that does not mean he is shit.U can chill a bit and have fun watching games instead of bitching like a toddler.
I didn’t even know he was announcing for you guys. That makes me happy. I’ll always love Danny Green.
the word has been that people think his energy is off/low, but his commentary is good. cant teach the latter, so his energy will get better with practice announcing, IMO.
People don’t like how monotone he is
Wolves broadcasters are good. No bullshit. Don’t hesitate to call out the wolves or compliment the opponent. They do great research as well.
I want Calabro back so back. Demers is okay but unless Calabro, he gets very dramatic and whiney about ‘bad calls’. I hate it. It’s so grating and annoying.
I miss Calabro.
Fuck Dundon
That’s because you have Calabro now. Lucky SOBs….
Calabro is one of the best.
Mavericks don’t have this issue, but Mark Followill is credible enough to call world cup and Olympic soccer games on national TV, so that’s probably it.
edit: just found out he also called the Buccs vs Falcons game on 11/1/26. The man is versatile.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Followill
We are blessed in Dallas with the whole slate of local guys being top pros.
Followill is amazing! He is way overqualified to be doing local sports games. He’s been a steady voice for Mavs fans through tough times. He got me through the Luka mess like no one else could have
Except when he, and Bob Sturm had that awkward argument about it on air in the ticket.
But yeah, he’s a huge MFFL, but still keeps it professional.
That was bizarre! I love Bob, but I found myself backing Followill in that argument. I’ve never heard Mark get so heated
Came here to say this. Mavs fans are lucky, they don’t get some homer blowing smoke up their ass
It’s not even most Basketball. I forget what his name is but one of the Boston Bruins announcers in the NHL would defend an actual murder in the ice and then complain if a calls missed against the bruins.
I think this is one of the reasons Ken & Mickey (Detroit Red wings) are voted top announcing team year after year, they are as unbiased as they come, they call it like they see it with zero favoritism/homerism towards Detroit. Very refreshing to listen to
Stu and bill shit on the lakers too when they’re playing sloppy, always hate when im pirating and the broadcast is the other teams announcers
Mickey is absolutely magic when a puck goes bouncing around ankles and skates and sticks and he seemingly knows exactly who it went off on before it went into the net. He just sees things others can’t or don’t.
Jack Edwards. I always liked him, but he was a serious homer.
I was watching the blazers vs spurs game. The commentator talking about a blazers player falling down “he’s just going with the contact, trying to show the ref he’s being fouled”
meanwhile, when talking about Wemby after he was fouled “What are we doing here!?! I swear, I’ve never seen a player spend more time on the floor than he does standing up”
Honestly I think the homer ass announcers are part of the fun. I’m not even convinced George Blaha, pistons, even knows the other teams players anymore.
In most of the Pistons games that I’ve watched the Detroit feed on, I’ve come away thinking the Pistons announcers are some of the worst I’ve heard. I had to mute it
Blaha has been doing it for NEARLY 50 years. He’s just an announcer from a bygone era
Stu Lantz of Laker fame has been doing it the same amount of time. Don’t think that’s really an excuse
Homer announcers used to be fun before the internet, when you never interacted with fans that watched opposing broadcasts. Now thanks to the internet we have to put up with OKC fans that are fed a diet of straight propaganda, and their homer announcers seem a lot less harmless.
Shit as long as they’re entertaining I love homers. Tommy was my favorite (obviously biased) because he didn’t try and hide his bias, he was a Celtics fan through and through
Tommy was the number one worst I’ve ever heard. If I could only get the Celtics feed for a game, I would shut the game off rather than listen no to him moan constantly. In his world, the Celtics never committed a foul and they should have been on the free throw line 200 times a game. He was awful
I think the national announcer bias stuff is almost always just announcer be not great at their job. They get stuck praising a player or telling stories or they don’t know the rules and it ends up unbalanced and ect.
Rest in peace to Mr King, but hearing him talk about Demars favorite “get to the ft line and fall down” killed me sometimes lol
Also 90% of bitching by fans in game threads is because of announcers complaining and drawing attention plays like this. It’s crazy how many narratives come from stuff like this when half the time the guy is completely wrong lol
I’m going to defend the King here because Stacey would also acknowledge when the Bulls got away with something, and usually when he was calling something a foul that the refs didn’t call it was a matter of consistency. If you’re gonna call it for someone you should call it for everyone.
Altitude does a pretty good job with the local broadcasting, especially since they got rid of the old heads. Obviously still biased towards the nuggets but much less so than other local broadcasts I have listed to.
A Utah Jazz fan (I know, feel free either pile on or pity-Venmo me), I was in Texas for work a few weeks ago and found myself having to sign up for the Spurs network’s free 7-day trial just to see San Antonio pummel the Jazz. Even worse than the pummeling, though, was the local broadcasters. So bad and biased.
(And, yes, I know the Jazz guys are bad and biased too. It’s past time for Bolerjack to retire. Thurl is a nice guy but if I hear him say “play at his own pace” one more time, I may lose it.)
Stacey always got a pass from me but you are not lying.
I’m usually against team broadcasters bitching about calls, but I feel like these refs really sucked last night. I usually don’t think that when I watch a game. It happens a handful of times a season.
Was this the Blazers announcers or OKC? Cause if it’s Portland I’m confused on why it would this is bad
this is OKC
They’re almost all employed by the team they call. Anyone expecting anything other than bias is just clueless.
Nope bias is stupid and even as a fan of the team it makes it boring and stupid
When announcers call out their own players, don’t become legit stupid with bias is much better
Is some bias fine? Yes obviously that’s normal but most local broadcasts are just too much
If you reread my comment, you’ll see at no point did I say bias is fine or enjoyable. All I said was if someone doesn’t understand why team employees are bias, they’re clueless.
why should they be so biased towards their employers?
at work i recommend our competitors to some of our clients when they’re significantly better at a thing than we are, and my employers are 100% on board with that
The problem is biased broadcasts make fans stupid. Nobody here is saying they’re expecting otherwise. But being annoyed by it is absolutely a valid position. That’s all we’re saying here.
I get that. Doesn’t change anything. Lol and you edited your comment to add instead of just replying. Lame
Yes. I completed my thought. Sorry about that. I elaborated. Changed literally nothing about my position or what I said so I’m not sure why you’re mad about it.
Not all of them are like that though. The Mavs broadcast certainly hypes up the hometown team, but they call a spade a spade for the most part
Not every team employs the broadcast team directly. The mavs are one of the teams that do not own their broadcast team which is why they’re better.
Lamar Hurd (Blazers broadcaster) absolutely recognizes game.
Just last night the Blazers announcers were irate that McCain didn’t get a flagrant for “hurting” Deni and doubled down despite the replay showing Holiday pushing McCain towards Deni.
Very few local broadcasts will be bias free, it’s why Breen works so well even when he’s doing Knicks games.
You have announcing crews like this but then you have the spurs broadcasters just talking about food the whole game
Well, Erneh, you know they got some big ol’ women down there in San Antonio, they’re just giving their audience what they want to hear.
these clowns are some of the worst
So many instances where they compliment a call OKC gets and whine about the same call the other way. Insufferable game to listen to last night.
I love our broadcast. They’re pretty reasonable homers overall as far as local broadcasts go and always entertaining.
Come on man, Sean Elliott has always been one of the most over the top homers out there!
He’s a huge homer in that he loves the team but will absolutely criticize our players and give props to the other team’s players, and he doesn’t complain about most calls.
Big women and churros
The heat announcers are really good too
If I have to hear the Warriors casters talk about cornbread one more time…
Insufferable
Food and cheating on your girlfriend with former player’s sisters
Also WTF was the foul that was eventually called? Mara tries so hard to move Clingon with his elbows that he throws himself off balance?? How is that a foul on Portland?
No idea, looks like he tried to establish a super stretched out pivot foot and maintain it while backing up further. DC is in legal defending position, Mara tries to swing out of it and falls but DC is legal. The reason for falling is for the terrible decision to maintain pivot vs dribbling out of the pressure.
Thank you! It’s not a flop, just a really strange and bad decision
Yeah its less of a flop and more or a baby giraffe not yet understanding how to use its limbs lol. Kid will be good in the future though barring big man injuries of course. Really good rebounding IQ and quick hands, but post work is still Def a rookie.
Yep. He was pretty raw with huge upside at Michigan too.
Massive flops by Mara and Caruso (as coached by Daig).
Caruso didn’t flop, if you do a euro step and bang knees with a guy you don’t really have any momentum to stay up. An he fights through it to get the pass off. I wouldn’t even say mara flopped, he fell trying to make a move past the defender. Should be a no call though
Lol, “sure”
that dude is rolling around on the floor writhing in agony, it cost his team three points and then he hopped up like nothing had happened. that’s not basketball, it’s acting, and i’m glad they didn’t call shit
that dude is rolling around on the floor writhing in agony
??????? what are you on about he immediately gets up
NBA Rule Book section 6.9 paragraph 420 says that anytime at least 3 OKC players are on the ground a foul must be called.
Watching it in slow motion clingan does lean forward and take a step into his space.if he stays in his original position he’s fine but he pushes forward and knocks Mara over with his body it’s pretty weak but it’s a foul. In real time I was pissed but it’s a foul when you slow it down clearly
It looks like Clingan takes out Mara’s leg.
After he kneed Caruso without a call?
Not exactly, it looks like it was pretty incidental
The fact 3 Thunder players were on the floor at the same time lmao
Coach Daig approved
Makes me sad that the modern NBA spends so much time on trying to dupe the refs. It shouldn’t even be apart of gameplans, and yet you see teams flop around like this and it’s clearly a huge point of emphasis from the coaching staffs.
No question that the Thunder flop more than every other team. I hope the refs continue to limit its effectiveness.
Yaxel had the quote of the season, heck, the quote of the decade so far which highlights how ridiculous this has become
Don’t say the quote
Link to quote?
The NBA just doesn’t give a shit. Silver is okay with people watching Box Scores and highlights, neither of which show players rolling around constantly
Just because the Thunder live eat and breath off of this bs doesn’t mean every other team in the league does this or cares this much. I think we all know the Thunder are easily the worst offenders
Thunder players were definitely taught to do that. Just look at Thunder players pre-Thunder and than post-Thunder.
You cannot tell me that SGA doesn’t practice falling after jump shots. I bet there is some trainer out there with an NDA that would have some funny stories to tell.
Tbh, most players probably practice falling to help protect themselves. Especially in a contact sport like basketball where players tend to be in the air. Just a few days ago, Murray had a scary fall that could had been significantly worse if he didn’t turn and allow his shoulder to take the brunt of the damage.
Players initiating contact and then throwing themselves onto the floor, and players receiving minimum contact and then collapsing onto the floor are definitely a problem though.
I say the same about the blazers. Look at the blazers pre-blazers and post-blazers. Pre-blazers they were playing blazer ball and now in the post blazer era they’re just playing ball-blazers. It’s actually frustrating to watch
The Heat have Heat Culture and the Thunder have, well, their own special culture
Like the fainting goats!
Weird. Thunder fans told me this was normal in the NBA idk
Mf Wemby just flopped his ass off against Portland like a week ago, calm down
Somewhere a soccer coach is taking notes
That’s hilarious! The Portland Timbers coach was at the game and joined the Portland broadcasters for an interview at one point! Let’s see if he takes what he learned to the next season!
they all got “wiped out” lmao
It’s their culture
I needed to see what happened with Mara. He goes to move his left foot and it gets caught on the defender’s legs.
Sga gets tapped on a screen and hits the floor caruso runs into 2 defenders in the paint goes past the basket into the defenders then hits the floor, then who ever the big dude is gets stuck on his pivot with no where to go, hits the floor.
Complaining about the officials with this shit going on is crazy
So he set a good screen (although those feet are wide af and would get called every level other than the nba), and a good screen means you’re taking contact. Falling to the floor does not automatically mean there’s a foul.
Sidy makes contact with SGA’s chest, isn’t lowering a shoulder, extending his arms, or moving straight through the point of contact as if he’s trucking him. Contact is made up high, he stops, studders his feet, and then he steps his left foot around where SGA’s feet are planted.
Good no call, on a good screen, and responsible restraint by the defender.
Also, SGA somehow fell to his right after getting hit on his left shoulder. He knew which way he was gonna fall from the get go
Magic Sidy Theory. A second screener on the grassy knoll
I thought it was a pretty clear foul until your comment. You’re right, sga intentionally fell. I still think it’s a lot of contact for a no call, but not near as much as I previously did
He figured Sidy was going to go through him on that side
he is even leaning backwards before falling.
Laws of physics don’t work the same for superstars
agreed. this was a good no call.
I would have called this an illegal screen if I was a ref, on SGA.
He starts leaning to the left pre contact, with an overly wide set/wide base with his feet which dictates his fall.
clearly foul baiting with no intent of setting a regular screen. Illegal screen
Edit: on the slow mo replay it’s very clearly an illegal screen and he slides/hip checks his way in. How this wasn’t called on SGA live is crazy
Listen, it’s a good no-call. But that screen isn’t getting called anywhere, even in in youth leagues. It’s perfectly fine.
Y’all act like feet have to be shoulder-width when setting a pick. lol
It’s interesting to me how many people on here have this idea of the NBA rulebook that is totally different from what the NBA rulebook actually says. Quoting directly from the NBA rulebook: “If a defensive or offensive player has established a position on the floor and his opponent initiates contact that results in the dislodging of the opponent, a foul should be called IMMEDIATELY.” Simply just running directly through screens has never been a lawful method of screen navigation. Once legal screening position is established, the avoidance responsibility shifts to the defender
Good point but its okc and better yet Shai so the chudditor hivemind disagrees
Only 3 of OKC players were on the ground. How about next time go 5?
Not even hyperbole. Wow. I guess flopping is their whole strategy
Always has been
The entire bench and coaching staff should get on the floor. No more half assing it.
Mark can get on the ground in solidarity
But then who would help them up?
weight room
I know that you will get a tech for it, but when guys throw themselves around to sell a foul that is given, you should be allowed to just flex and shout weight room in their face. It will do more to combat selling a call than any flopping tech will because guys will take it personally.
I’ve said it before, the only way to combat flopping is that if you’re made to look like a bitch, someone is getting ejected. There’s no need to be diving on the floor on negligible contact. Man up, weight room, boot the floppers.
Yeah they dgaf when they’re getting to the free throw line though
100% agree plus it would be hype to see that energy after the right kind of play
Screaming “AND1!” as you physically jump into a guy and flex on him is cool but tell a guy weight room while flexing and the T’s come out
Legalize flexing, the “too small” gesture, and the AI-Ty Lue stepover.
It really should be embarrassing for some of these guys, if they really got thrown across the floor by some dude’s pinky or whatever that would be pretty sad. Jabronis at the YMCA would get made fun of for less.
Next time have Steven Adams run through SGA.
Lol SGA is a strong mf he’s just trying to get a whistle.
yeah you can literally see him start to fall before he even gets hit lol
Have you seen someone take a charge before..
This sub self induces mass psychosis when it comes to anything involving Shai. Genuinely laps all other social media platforms in terms of bias, not watching games and hivemindedness and thats no easy feat
I’m assuming you mean Charmin, like the toilet paper?
Edit: OP originally posted “sharmin soft” .
I think he meant Charmin tha God. The radio host.
not the smartest bunch…
Holy shit they are in the bottom 2 for education in the country I knew they were down there but not that bad. .
Huh? Glad to see the refs not calling sgas bs as much. That boy a soft charmin clown.
They tried.. I don’t think I have ever seen two nights back to back against the same team where the home crowd starts the “refs you suck” chant
Projecting much?
how often do you get on your knees for sga?
First thing that comes to your mind is penis? Soft
Hard
Hey everybody look an OKC 14 year old from the burbs.
Middle school is a difficult time
Who said I graduated from elementary school?
Have you considered crying about it?
Have you considered not being a Lakers fan?
I’m a Luka fan
Hahahaha. This is comically unlikable.
Its kinda effortless really in this sub when theres so much hatred to be handed out.
I don’t doubt it’s effortless for you.
If it’s a big setting this screen then they just absorb the contact and it’s no foul. Should that change if a guard sets the screen and gets ran over? 🤔
This has been a key to the Thunder success the last couple years. They’re all skinny guys, mostly smaller guys. They get the benefit of the doubt in a lot of these collision situations
shit was like dominos, first two didnt get the call, but the 3rd did, pretty horrific clip. OKC basketball.
This has been Jokic’s biggest gripe with the officiating — The inconsistency and leniency towards smaller players and how much more physical they’re allowed to be.
They were like 9th in the league in fouls drawn per game. If this was a key to their success they wouldn’t be a great team.
I don’t think looking at stats in the abstract is very informative. I’m talking about what you can see by watching games. Number of fouls is not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about how they draw them.
But you’re saying it’s the key to their success when obviously it’s not seems how the numbers do not fit the narrative at all
It’s funny because they literally have rules for how you collide with the screens if those aren’t broken then where the fuck is the foul?
Didn’t dip shoulder or use excessive force. Shai is a literal twig so what did he expect? He’s a bozo and so is the announcer obviously
Offenses are allowed to put out their elbows, kick out their legs wider than their hips, and are rarely fully standing still but refs rarely ever call an illegal screen.
Straight up running through screens has never been a lawful method of screen navigation. From the NBA rulebook directly: “If a defensive or offensive player has established a position on the floor and his opponent initiates contact that results in the dislodging of the opponent, a foul should be called IMMEDIATELY.” SGA establishes himself early enough for the screen to not be considered illegal, the avoidance responsibility then shifts to the defender.
If you set a screen and get run over it should never be a call IMO. You intentionally got in the way, so why are you asking for a call when being in the way got you run over.
Strange take. So defensive players should be able to just run through screens?
Wtf you want them to do, ask kindly for permission to pass?
Work around… which is the point of screens.
Legit one of the strangest takes I’ve heard on here
Only against okc players
….because defenders aren’t allowed to run through other players just because they’re on offense? What kinda dumbass question is this?
Yeah, that would just lead to screens getting absolutely smoked.
peak basketball though, my rec league knows what’s coming and they move outta the way
If you draw a charge and get run over it should never be a call IMO. You intentionally got in the way, so why are you asking for a call when being in the way got you run over.
It doesn’t matter if the offensive player intentionally got in the way or not, it matters if the defensive player lowers their shoulder or pushes off in this scenario. Decent no call on this one. A player can intentionally take a charge and if they’re set, the ref can call it.
The ref could have and should have called this a foul too. There’s no rule that states the defender is absolved from being called for a foul if he doesn’t lower his shoulder or push off when the impact he caused knocks the screener off their feet.
There’s a difference between an offensive player setting a pick to get someone open, and a defensive player in a legal guarding position who gets run over.
A screener is in legal position, outside of a loose ball there is no point in basketball can you just run through someone
If you want to play football go play football.
Directly from the NBA rulebook: “If a defensive or offensive player has established a position on the floor and his opponent initiates contact that results in the dislodging of the opponent, a foul should be called IMMEDIATELY.”
So theoretically, yes, if a big takes a shot hard enough to dislodge him it should be a foul
This is a really good point
Three Thunder players flopping on the ground at the same time. That’s wild.
That’s OKC basketball, baby
If you don’t like that you don’t like OKC basketball
Good no call. Biased announcers are annoying as hell
Couldn’t agree more. We hate Michael Cage too.
Partner, you need to go back to the church league
I remember listening to this OKC crew a lot during the post-KD Westbrook years, especially the MVP season, and didn’t remember them being so bad / hated at the time lol
Oh shit. I’m agreeing with a Thunder fan.
We? Speak for yourself dog. We love Cage from coast to coast like butter on toast.
wtf how do you call him out for saying “we” and then you say “we”, c’mon man
A little bit of bias is fine, but announcers whining for calls is annoying as hell. And he does it all the time.
Cage is too much! I love his passion but he is so blinded he can’t see obvious stuff.
I feel like it was a foul. You can’t plow someone over to get through a screen.
True… But what if the screener is smaller than the defender and is a known flopper. Tough call, I’m good with the no-call.
you just don’t like Shai and don’t care about consistent principled officiating
Neither does the NBA
On the contrary, I very much prefer consistent officiating and I actually do like Shai.
Yes I wish he wouldn’t foul bait like he has in the past, and honestly I think he is doing less of that now.
It is not a foul to run into a screener… The screener is quite literally impeding the defenders movement and is 100% legal to run into them. It’s not legal to intentionally truck someone with malice intent which I don’t believe was the case here.
I don’t like him, but that was a set screen and an obvious foul.
You’re suppose to stop before you run into someone, whether it’s a screen or a charge or just two people moving on the court. Hitting that person is the foul. They let people get away with some contact, but that’s on the defender for not looking where they are going.
what? it’s a screen, there’s contact. it’s a contact sport. i don’t recommend screening bigger players when you’re wiry. he put himself in that position and got knocked over. have you set screens or been screened before?
That’s not true at all. It’s completely legal to run into a screen or a defender as long as there isn’t malice intent.
Defenders set hard screens on unaware defenders all the time. Using a smaller person to set a screen on a larger person doesn’t somehow make it a foul on the defender
I wanted to KMS listening to the Warriors announcers on yesterday’s game
Is clearly a charge though. You can’t just run straight into a person standing still and knock them to the ground.
It’s clearly not a charge because he’s on defense, not offense. It is a defensive foul.
Doesn’t matter if it’s offense or defense. You cannot run through a player standing still.
It was clearly a foul. What are you watching? Basket ball in the 70’s or something?
Set a pick, be too weak to absorb the contact???
A screen is supposed to make the person stop to avoid running into you. Because it’s illegal to run into people. Strength shouldn’t even come into this. Y’all have bastardized the rules because you refuse to play within them. If you want to play football go do that. I’m not opposed to a no call on this but your premise is wrong.
Is that why Jokic and the other ceners like Shaq backed people down? Because strength doesn’t enter into it?
People watch with their heart, not their eyes or brain.
Dude I gotta disagree. Being a fan of a team is about being biased. Fuck your team, your players are shit, refs give you all the calls etc etc etc. that’s what is fun about supporting a team. Sure objective discussion is good but that isn’t for local broadcasts.
The need for some sort of middle road objective benign sports takes, there’s the national broadcasts for that. Local broadcasts should be delusional fan hype insanity.
Love that I got downvoted for this - legit just a different opinion than the hive mind. Represents the lack of real discourse here.
Honestly valid. Raps are beating the spurs in the finals in 4 btw, also Scottie is better than Wemby and its not close.
Now this is podracing
Generally I agree with this sentiment. But there are limits to where the homerism is just off putting.
For example, if you listened to the Warriors announcers during any one of Draymond Green’s most egregious on court incidents you would think he was the victim in all of them just listening to those guys.
Maybe it’s because biased commentary is all you know. Lakers bless with Chick Hearn and Stu Lantz, who didn’t/don’t hesitate to call out the Lakers. If the Lakers get away with something Stu will be quick to admit it and say we got lucky.
As a viewer I don’t want to listen to broadcasters cry about a viscous foul or something when the replay being showed shows barely any contact, or saying the Lakers didn’t foul when the replay clearly show a Lakers player slapping an elbow.
In recent memory, Warriors commentators are absolutely awful. Draymond could sucker punch and body slam a player and they will cry for 5 minutes saying Draymond slipped and a tech is overkill.
“Biased commentary is all I know”
Seriously? It’s my opinion, why try to belittle my opinion by saying “you just don’t know better” when I literally address that in my comment. There is objective announcing, or somewhat objective, for nationally televised games. But for local broadcasts I think it’s great for them to be biased and over the top. It is part of the fun, which is what sports are ultimately about.
People will go on and on about the atmosphere of the Euroleague but then poopoo biased fans or announcing. What do you think generates that atmosphere? Unapologetic bias and leaning into the identity of the team.
Bro, like 2-3 games ago Bill tried and couldnt stop Stu from complaining about what I recall to be a lack of effort on defense. Bill tried to change the subject twice and even hit him with not only a “Morango” but also a shout out to a behind the scenes staff member they referred to as the real boss. Came back from a commercial break and Stu was still mumbling some shit about it and was still upset.
To a point. A little bias and standing by the team is fine, but creating that kind of false outrage makes everyone dumber.
And who actually thinks being a sore loser is a fun part of the game?
And people wonder why they don’t like okc ball
Thunder is the only team I don’t like watching play. They just take the fun out of watching and it’s always the same thing. They are very aggressive and sometimes downright dangerous, because they know they can’t all be called, and they throw themselves around like they’re being punched or something even when there’s next to no contact
I’ve only been watching for a few years, so I don’t always know when a foul is a foul or why a no call is a no call and not a foul, so I don’t pretend to know what’s going on when the refs blow the whistle or not, but I do know I don’t like watching them play
I loved watching the last two thunder games.
Totally fair! I would never want to take away from someone else’s enjoyment. Their playstyle is just not fun for my personal taste
I agree, I want to see the thunder bounced in the first round. Watching all these free throws is not what anyone wants.
I don’t discriminate, I don’t like anything about the entire state of Oklahoma
“this is how players get hurt in this league” yeah the thunder definitely know all about that
Half of OKC on the groundWTF are they coaching there.
Top 3 worst announcing crew
This or Golden State
Don’t rub it in, we suffer enough
“Do we hoop or do we flop???”
“FLOP!!!”
Ive been told he never flops tho 🤔
FTA doing everything he can to try to three-peat, but the voters won’t even have to apply that unspoken rule if this is what he’s doing all season long.
Kings fan + top 1% commentator is such a cursed combo
I use old Reddit so I don’t even know what that means.
It means everyone knows you have zero life
Take the fall, act hurt, get indignant!
Sick of seeing this clown on the ground
‘This is how guys get hurt in thisLeague’
No it’s not when was the last time this lead to an injury, lol.
Sga embellished the contact so much he fell on his stomach. He literally turned around to fallOver.
Should it be a foul? MaybeThere was definitely contact and by the law yeah foul. but it’s a screen it’s no different to 80% of other screens in a game.
Cason Wallace tore his labrum running into a moving screen two weeks ago
So to be fair the opposite of this situation?
But you know what fair play and curry got hurt too,
So I’m just wrong.
Wtf is wrong with announcer
He’s a homer
Shai is currently reaping what he has sown.
SGA isn’t someone a ref can trust. He hits the floor on purpose all the time. You cry wolf like he does, you can expect not to get the marginal calls.
PG version of Embiid
Surely the guy leading in fta for the last two seasons is the pg version of embiid
Por que no los dos?
Agreed. Just wish that logic applied to Wemby too. No player in history spends as much time laying on the court as Wemby.
You just start watching basketball last week?
Lol 🙈
SGA’s flopping ass would get the hate regardless. OKC winning a chip just made him more of a target bc nobody likes to see players like that succeed except homer sacklappers.
When your team culture revolves around flopping don’t be upset when the refs choose not to blow the whistle.
It’s been a refreshing change so far!
Him turning to look at the ref the millisecond he feels contact and the ref just looking down at him on the floor is hilarious.
Three OKC players fell down 😂😂😂
Man who was awarded 14 free throws is actually ignored by officials. Tonight at 11.
OKC announcers too used to flopping. Good no call
Nuggets are used to having a good team. Rough for everyone this year
Agreed lol
Sent to the gym.
Three different Thunder players on the ground almost simultaneously
They’ve been letting it go at the LAL vs. MIL game too. Now we have 3 injured players.
Should’ve been a flopping foul.
Boy who cried whistle.
He’s taking the most shots in his career and is averaging his fewest amount of freethrows since 2022. Yeah they not calling shit for Shai no more lmao
He shot 14 last night
Should’ve had 20, ngl. They gave McCain an offensive foul for his normal shooting motion cause dame overcommitted and grazed him.
Wildly homer take. Our broadcast showed the replay where Dame was not in Mccain’s path and he kicked his leg out to contact Dame.
Blazers announcers even said if both players stayed on their feet, it’s a no-call. But bc Mccain initiated the contact and Dame fell, it forced a whistle bc Dame was out of the play due to Mccain’s kickout.
45% of his points came from free throws.
Huge part of his game is still dependent on the line.
That’d be like 15 made fts per game lol.
Wtf are you talking about
A guy that depends on free throw buckets.
You are either bad at math or just making shit up, Amazing that reddit will just upvote this like its true.
Thought he made 14 instead of 13.
My bad - only 42% of his points came from the line?
That make you feel better? lmao
and on average its 23% a game this year, so this game is an outlier. Just curious do you think Curry’s is dependent on getting to the line? hes at 27%.
The NBA would be a better product if not a single call ever went his way again. The refs already gifted him two MVPs.
Yes the refs made sure he was one of the greatest mid range shooters in nba history
This is what pisses me off about SGA the most
Bro is so fucking good at basketball and would be so fun to watch if he didn’t pull stuff like this
Y’all are delulu. Dude gets to the line because he drives and nobody can cover him
there is no player that suffers more than SGA from actual implementation of the push off into stepback being called an offensive foul.
its a large reason he wasn’t defendable, hes creating separation with the push, and separation with his athleticism on the stepback, and then the defender needs to contest a high percentage look with near no chance of stopping the shot happening but only hoping to lower that %, and their likelihood to foul increasing because they need to close out more aggressively to make up for the ill gotten pushoff distance created.
Then sometimes SGA would top that off by flopping at the tail end. Its ugly basketball and there is a reason he has the reputation he has.
He is a great shot maker, hes also perhaps the biggest abuser of the pushoff that the NBA has ever seen, both can be true.
Because if you actively guard him as he drives he’ll push off and flop
“Actively guarding him” regularly means he gets you out of position and you foul him or he gets an easy bucket. Y’all don’t like it because it’s effective, then hide behind the excuses that he’s only good due to the refs. It’s the most casual, lazy opinion I’ve ever seen
The refs aren’t the reason he’s better than Luka
He’s actively offensively fouling a lot less this season. If you watch, he’s doing the chicken wing push off a lot less, but still doing the step back shot after. Because he’s not getting as much separation and also not getting the foul, he’s shooting worse. Granted, outside of the 3, I feel like a lot of the middies he’s missing are shots he normally does make.
Bros never heard of a screen before
He was setting a performative screen
Shai was setting the screen. You can’t run through a screener. How is this not a foul?
He didn’t run through it, he pretty much stopped as soon as he made contact with SGA.
SGA gets in position where the defender can’t see him and as soon as any contact was made, he falls over. This is basketball, you are allowed to touch people. It shouldn’t be an advantage to be weaker so you can just fall over every time contact was made.
I have no doubt in my mind that if the roles were completely reversed and SGA was the defender and everything else stayed the same, SGA would have dropped to the floor and complained it should have been a foul on the screener.
So, refs just have to blow the whistle every single instance a screener falls down?
If it’s sufficient contact, yes
he didn’t run through it is how, should have been a technical for flopping he was moving down before any contact was made
No you can’t run through a screen, but sidy didn’t run through the screen. He makes contact and literally stop. No push or shove or anything. Sga was just too weak to absorb the contact. Should pat bev have gotten a foul called on him for running into steven adams on that one screen that flatlined him?
It was an illegal screen.
“It’s an illegal screen cause I have SGA derangement syndrome”
No, it’s an illegal screen because his feet are set wider than his shoulders.
holy shit i know you goobers aren’t actually using this
He was leaning back before the defender even made contact. He was going to fall whether he got hit or not.
If you can do this, legally, Zion would legitimately be unstoppable and could seriously hurt most screeners in the game.
OKC fans and announcers complaining about officiating is top tier irony
Man after this game it is wild how much they are complaining.