The Bucks, Bulls, Clippers, Jazz, Kings are a combined 4-49 (7.5%) this season
Source: https://www.espn.com/nba/standings
The NBA wanted to alleviate tanking with the new rules, but these teams are so bad, it doesn’t matter.
The clippers don’t own their draft pick. They don’t want to be bad. They just are. I don’t think that counts as “tanking”
None of these teams are tanking
At least with tanking I’d have something to potentially look forward to in the long run. We’ll probably go on another 50 year run before we sniff championship aspirations again.
You can get slightly better without a top pick and then have a better chance at a top pick.
You can get a top pick even in the relegation zon
You can make trades and sign free agents who will be more valuable than ever to bad teams (they were already valuable)
There are many ways to get good without a top pick
Also same team don’t draft in the top 5 in consecutive years also there are all stars every draft that are not top picks, its fine
No free agent wants to go to Milwaukee or Utah
At least you had one on your lifetime, I’d more than happily set for that and then sucking another 50 years
None of these teams are tanking this season intentionally. Some of these teams absolutely set themselves up to be bad hoping for a high draft pick chance under the old rules, and got caught holding the bad players and/or bad contracts bag when the rules changed.
Not saying they’re currently tanking but the Nets and Bucks are in fact still incentivized to be in the relegation zone because of the swaps + the rule about not being able to get three consecutive top 5 picks or two consecutive #1s, which is based on original owner of pick. So if they are in the #4-10 range where you have the best odds, get #1 pick or something, not only do they lose it but they get penalized future years
And the Bucks are probably getting the hammer dropped on them too
They are looking down the barrel of a VERY long gun:
27 1st swap with NO
28 1st swap with PDX
29 1st unprotected to PDX
30 1st swap with PDX
THEN any punitive measures with picks: ie no 31-35 1sts.
All for one Gary Trent Junior…..
We’re also out our highest paid player and starting center.
Hey man don’t make fun of my team like that. checks flair oh wait
The good news is we still have a good chance to be in the lottery this season
We should make “the Clippers don’t own their draft pick” a pinned comment for the next few years
Exactly
I hope we sit SGA, Caruso, and IHart against y’all on Friday.
Its almost like most tanking teams are just horrible anyway, there are some exceptions like the Jazz last season or the Pacers, but for the vast majority of cases the bottom 3 teams in each conference couldnt win even if their lives depended on it.
And it’s only going to get significantly harder now that the least talented teams will be picking tenth and ending up with role players
A team like the Mavs will end up with a top 3 pick lol.
Funny part is it has to be top 2 this year or we lose it 😆
Isn’t that what Silver wants though? Help other superstar talent get better, instead of watching the Kings, Nets, and Bucks take 10 years to put a competent team around a superstar, because no one wants to go to those teams.
Yup, this is exactly what I was trying to say when the NBA announced these rules. How people didn’t realize this I don’t understand
“Then they should just suck less” was what people told me when I complained about how this proposal would impact teams that were bad without tanking.
Hard to do when a front office can’t draft properly. All this does is punish bad franchises even more by giving them worse draft picks. That’s it.
Let’s step back. The relegation zone is something to be avoided if possible but it’s hardly a death sentence.
Also, Utah was hit with key injuries and 3 out of 4, including Utah, chose this by making major trades for picks etc. Bucks traded Giannis, Utah Kessler, Clippers Kawhi. The Kings and Bulls are breaking in possibly terrific young rookies.
They’re all complicit in their failure and they all still have a chance and most of them are far from hopeless.
Phoenix is a bigger problem. The new cap system has made veteran contracts poisonous and picks more valuable than ever. Heat also might be in big trouble.
Acting like they get 0% chance at a top pick. It’s just mildly less than the middle zone.
The 2nd apron is a much bigger deal to longterm NBA competition than anything else. Changing up the already random way teams get better, isn’t going to do much.
That’s exactly it. Poverty franchises should focus on internal changes if they want to turn their franchise around, instead of looking to the lottery to bail them out. They’d probably fumble a generational talent if they got one anyways, while wasting a chunk of that player’s career. Competent scouting, development, athletic training, and culture building will always produce a competitive franchise over time.
Difference between 10 teams competing to be the worst to 10 teams competing to stay out of the bottom 3
Just because a team in the bottom has less odds of a lotto pick doesn’t mean they will never get lotto picks.
But they are much less likely to get really good players, especially within a year or two of each other.
Yea…it’s just going to make the mediocre teams beat up on all the worse teams all season, and then they will be soft tanking to get into that 21-27 range for the draft.
People explained this, and were shot down for basic logic dealing with incentives.
These rules do not necessarily make more fun, competitive games, as we can clearly see. It looks like you can just ignore about 6 teams all year at this point.
While a team that made the play-in got the first overall pick.
Joe Dumars ears just perked up
congrats Adam Silver, you have just increased the amount of bad teams that stay bad.
a monument to innumeracy
I can’t tell who you’re talking about, the tenth pick averages about 40% of the career win shares as the first pick
role players like yaxel? who is running circles around boozer?
Boozer is going to have the better career by miles.
To give you some perspective, Yaxel is going to be 30 when he gets his 2nd contract. Yaxel is a year younger than Ant and Cade, who are superstars, he’s the same age as Sengun, who has almost 400 games in the NBA already.
No way, no freaking way. Boozer is already showing major weaknesses settling for 3’s because height and size bothers him. He’s a tweener like a Jabari Parker. Way less athletic than Yaxel. People keep pointing to age but I’m not saying Yaxel will get more cumulative stats, I’m saying he will be better on this first and second contract.
On average, the eighth pick produces half of the career win shares as the first pick, and it goes down from there
Lots of fanbases deluded themselves into thinking they were intentionally losing because they couldn’t believe the boneheaded plays their teams would make at the end of games. Players don’t tank. They’re just bad. The difference we’ll see this year is starters won’t get shut down after all star break with a minor injury that should only take 2 weeks to heal from not 3 months.
Which was likely the goal of the rule changes. Bad teams are bad, what the league probably wants is that good players on bad teams will not sit for 4 months because Mars is retrograde.
Yes this is literally it, fans just want to see their best players play!
The season the Heat missed the playoffs but went on a 30-11 run was insanely fun for me. No stars, just young guys balling. They were so much fun to watch.
Yes but it wont actually fix anything, they will still get mauled and end up with similar win tallies to what they usually do.
What they’ve done is now made it so these truly awful teams cant get a top pick.
Their win tally doesnt matter at all. What matters is that they try every single night until the end of the season
Truly awful teams are usually that way because they have awful front offices. Owners of those teams need to fix their in house problem rather than hope for a top pick.
Correction: it’s won’t fix what you want it to fix, it fixes what the league wanted it to fix, which is teams sitting healthy players. If teams get fucked in the lotto, so be it. The league cared more about the on court product being shameful when it was within the teams’ powers to stop that, and this absolutely does fix that. Whether you and others think that was a problem is another conversation entirely. But the changes will accomplish what the league wants it to.
The difference is that fans (the ones paying for tixs and merch) get to see their favorite player on the court playing and not just in street clothes on the bench.
Not us, we know Christie is trying his hardest to win and keep his job, he just sucks, and so does our roster.
Kings fans are uniquely non deluded about what their team is
Aren’t the Jazz proving they aren’t an exception? This is the same team plus a DPOY and the 3rd overall pick added.
I meant it as in the Jazz last year aggresively tanked by sitting out their players all the time. They were bad too but it was exxagerated for sure.
Jazz were just so bad that they would win sometimes when trying to lose
the number of actually tanking teams was always lower than claimed
if your team is terrible and you’re a GM you’re going to tell everyone “uhhhh its on purpose for draft picks i swear” instead of “i just suck really bad at my job”
Yep. I felt the league overindexed into it like crazy last year and made a mountain out of an anthill which will now cause these actually horrific teams from getting the top picks to help them up. Instead we will see a team like Dallas, Orlando and Memphis get a top pick.
The tanking part was typically in March/April. Yes, a lot of teams were bad, but you typically had teams that were middling try to nose dive or throw games to keep their draft protections
utah was throwing games as early as december last season though, i know because Orlando almost lost despite their starters not playing for the entire second half
That’s a bit of a leap.
Bad teams can’t just improve overnight. I think it’s much better to say it’s natural for them to be bad if their roster is bad.
A GM can’t just make the team not suck within a season, unless they get exceptionally lucky or they trade all of their potential assets for win now pieces, which for most bad teams, is one of the worst things you can do.
We were terrible. Terribly injured. You dont get 8 hardship exceptions for nothing.
I think I’m okay with the new tanking rules and I’d like to see what happens over the next 5 years, but I am gonna stand by my opinion that some franchises are gonna be royally fucked by it lmao.
The Jazz for years have been intentionally tanking, the Pacers did last year, the Grizzlies, the Wizards sat Trae with a phantom injury. I don’t know why people are okay with teams losing on purpose due to a perverse incentive from league rules. The Mavs have done it in the past. It was a clear flaw in the rules. No one was saying there won’t be bad teams, but these bad teams now have no reason to sit their best players, which is a good thing. The tanking rules are working as intended. I don’t know how people could watch last year and genuinely say there wasn’t a tanking problem, did you watch the games and see the lineups that some teams were putting out? It was a stain on the league.
I think circumstances matter. I am totally okay with a team like the pacers last year taking a gap year after their early season injuries (+ Hali). Sometimes shit just happens like that. Totally different than teams like the jazz IMO
The problem is they shouldn’t have an incentive to sit their best guys, it’s horrible for fans and for the league. The old rules they absolutely had a reason to do it, that was the problem. People keep saying the dumb talking point that teams are still bad, that was never the point of the new rules! Of course there are still gonna be bad teams no one thought otherwise!
i agree with what you are saying, but at least fans of those teams could get behind tanking and be like ok i’ll check back in next year if we get cooper flagg. without that, what do they have? where is the light at the end of the tunnel? where the fuck are the bulls going without tanking?
I think that when you have something like a draft that rewards the worst teams, there will always be scenarios like that. And I do think it is the right way for the draft to be designed though small fixes for serially offenders are good IMO.
sucky teams cant find tankers to beat
Yeah, there’ll always be bad teams, and there’s the same amount of losses as before. Only difference is we’ll see teams try to win all season long instead of losing on purpose later in the season.
The bulls aren’t even tanking. Just young and new coach and experimenting with which lineups work the best.
also the Jazz stopped tanking but all of their fake injuries became real, and the Clippers got sent to the abyss
And you are making harder for them to improve with the new lottery rules so I don’t know what they expected.
Jazz not flipping Lauri is turning into one of their biggest blunders
At this point I just feel bad for Lauri. A decade in the NBA with one winning season to show for it.
Also what are the Jazz doing at this point? It’s been four years since they traded Mitchell and Gobert.
when they were trying to keep us as season ticket holders (we had already moved) they jacked the prices up and asked that we be patient and lower expectations for “two more years.” That was three years ago.
I feel like Ainge doesn’t understand that his success in Boston was largely built on the Nets making a once in a generation bad trade.
Although it’s looking like they do it more than once a generation though
Jacking up ticket prices while tanking is absurd and I think the Wizards might have done the same thing
Its fairly common, and is essentially the same practice that live service games utilize. During low income stretches, milking the “whales” within your ecosystem is effective.
Jacking the price either breaks the tie completely or deepens the sunk-cost of the whale. If they agree to the increase, esp at low points within the ecosystem, you’ve got a sucker for life.
Lauri could have asked out at any point if he actually wanted to win. Clearly he doesn’t care and the losing doesn’t bother him
He was a free agent a couple years ago and willingly chose to sign back with Utah, the narrative that he’s this hostage makes 0 sense. Most of this sub cares more about Lauri’s legacy than Lauri himself does
Obviously a different sport and very different quality of player, but I feel the same way about Mike Trout. He chose that life
At this point I just feel bad for Lauri.
He said he wanted to stay in Utah.
I love these kind of streaks. It sucks Hield broke his because he was on track to be the GOAT playoff misser.
Also the Kings breaking their playoff missed streak by making it in just one season makes it all the worse considering they’re looking like they’re going to miss at least another 3+ years and would’ve had the all time record.
Ainge galaxy brained himself into this
6-49*. still horrendous, but be accurate!
They were factoring out the two wins that this group has in games among themselves (Bulls beat Bucks and Clippers beat Kings) since someone had to win. Although they should have factored out the losses too, so it should be 4-47.
Ah that would make sense.
I don’t think so. OP would’ve mentioned that if so
Thank you. 4 wins across 5 teams when no one is winless… Me thinks the math doesn’t work on that
I know. My first thought was, “Who’s winless? oh, nobody.”
Bucks 1, Bulls 1, Clips 2, Kings 1, Jazz 1
Total of 6 wins
Bulls had a brutal schedule is what I can say
Tbf if you’re a bad team the whole schedule is gonna be brutal.
The original question is the level of suckage
Thats like 8 of the lakers wins
Last year, among the bottom 10 tanking teams across the East and West, only the Mavericks managed to turn things around. Most of the others have actually gotten even worse.
Wizards have gotten better.
A whopping .333 winning percentage, yeah I guess incrementally.
It took them until December 14 to get their 4th win last year. Game 24.
They’re currently 4-8 and with the exception of the Thunder game, they’ve been competitive in every loss and led in most of them. Their late game execution is dog water (both a coaching and a player issue) but they’re actively trying to win every night.
They’re bad, but they’re better than last year by a wide margin.
Nah they’re much better, and trying to get dybansta up to speed.
They could easily be a .500 team by the end of the year IF AD can play 65 games
Land cooper flagg or get fucked
Well, we were super injured last year. Who would have thought being healthy being healthier* and having year 2 Flagg would turn things around.
Was grizzlies not bottom ten?
Grizzlies got better. Nets got better imo, they’ve had a very tough schedule to start the year and have a -5 net rating compared to the -10 last year.
The pacers are also better and they were tanking. Really the only team who was supposed to get better and didn’t was the jazz. The bulls clippers and bucks all blew their teams up so it’s understandable they’re in a transition year imo.
We are not WORSE but it’s been brutal. Injury bug again. Looked decent last two games though.
The Grizzlies got better too (so far at least)
i will make one excuse about my team, we have genuinely had the most difficult schedule i have ever seen.
I feel the same way about my team 😭 dropping the game vs bulls really left us in a rough spot
I don’t think our record would be much better even on an easier schedule.
also new coach + almost entirely new roster. I still think they’ll be playing better come January. but right now they’re unwatchable.
Lowkey, I feel like this is good for us lol. Let everybody get used to the neweness while we get our brains bashed in in games we were gonna lose anyway. As long as Caleb is healthy and the team is not too depressed from all the losing, this team will probanly not look like a 10 win team in January… maybe
So it’s not all because of Splitter?
splitter is getting better just like the team in general. we were much better than the spurs for a half, lost focus in the second half (+BD knows matas and giddey like his own children and easily adjusted) + we also didnt have caleb wilson for the second half. if you asked me about splitter 3 games ago i would have been hating but i am starting to see the light
Blazers just played Lakers/Spurs Road Back-to-Back, and then one day of rest, Back-to-Back against the Thunder. Kings tomorrow, then a whopping TWO DAYS OFF before facing MIN in a back-to-back. And like, this is just “playing in the west” this season. Not really buying the hyperbole for any team in the East about a hard schedule.
blazers are much better than us though! we arent 1-11 bad is what im saying. we are like a 12th seed type team.
we have genuinely had the most difficult schedule i have ever seen.
I was just responding to this. I’m not trashing on the Bulls.
Bulls played the Sixers 2x, Celtics 2x, Knicks 2x, and Spurs in just 2 weeks. It’s a near impossible schedule to go through especially if you’re a bad team with looking to get some early wins.
Raptors with Kawhi too, brutal start to the season for a young team with a new coach.
Not to mention the dude you’re replying to listed the ICU Thunder
The 8-4 (8-2 prior to losing these two against the Blazers) Thunder?
Yeah, I’m not saying the Bulls are going to even be a play-in team but our schedule was fucking brutal so far with only a few exceptions. Plus a few of those games were close/leading up until the 4th. I have at least a little hope that we can pull out some wins as the season goes on.
I’m not trashing on the Bulls, but their schedule is just a normal schedule. Knicks are 6-5 right now and are two of those wins against the Bulls? The West is just stacked right now from 1-10. It’s easier to play in the East. The Bulls aren’t struggling because of their schedule, they’re struggling because they don’t have a very good roster and are in the process of rebuilding.
It’s been funny to go onto Bball ref and see the strength of schedule estimates for the rest of the season. Every Eastern team has an estimated difficulty below average while almost every Western team is above average.
I’m unpleasantly surprised about the Jazz being this bad.
They are a 120-119 win over the Pels away from having 0 wins. The Pels that just got 145 dropped on them by a bottom 3 offense
The NBA media-sphere has painted Hardy as some sort of genius for doing nothing but lose since he’s gotten the job, and expected him to have them in playoff contention immediately.
Dude got some much glory for sucking, that rocks.
Nobody has ever done less to get the 5d big brain chess master wizard coach label. Even Lowe has always been in on this guy and I never understood it.
It doesn’t help that once the talking heads are in on a guy, they are pot committed to make excuses for everything else except just admitting they were wrong.
Height merchant
they have the injury bug but also yea, why would they go all in on JJJ of all people
Kessler was a better fit tbh but hey, at least Ainge got his picks!
all good for selling high on Kessler that’s whatever but I really don’t get why they decdied to go all in on JJJ now
In retrospect with the Jazz getting the second pick the JJJ trade doesn’t make much sense, but when the Jazz made that trade there was a chance they fall out of the top 5 pick and there was even a slight chance that they didn’t even retain their pick as it could have ended up going to OKC.
The Jazz knew they couldn’t tank another year and waste both Ace, and Key’s development so they made a move to be better and not have to tank this year even if they fell out of the lottery. That move is not that crazy and in some ways a pretty good move as what we gave up for JJJ wasn’t anything spectacular (other than now what looks like a very valuable first round pick)
But bumbling the Kessler contract, not building out a bench, huge regressions from rising talent, and terrible injury luck is what gotten us to this season.
I have always thought our FO was decent, but this season depending how they handle building that bench is going to change my opinion as well as other fans opinions pretty drastically.
was it high?seemed kinda fair deal
if the jazz would play flip theyd get more juice
Kessler went full Gordon Heyward and forced his way out, tf else is Ainge supposed to do there? Just let him sign the QO and leave for free?
They were losing when their guys were healthy too
I’m pleasantly surprised. Fuck that stupid ass franchise. They don’t deserve to be good
lol why?
Tanking in the way the Jazz did should be very shameful
It is honestly a mystery how jazz are 1-11. There must be some bad juju going on in the locker room because this team is looking a lot worse than the sum of its parts.
Their parts are really overrated. Lauri hasn’t play a playoff game ever?
I legit thought thry were jusy polishing him up during the tank years to trade him at peak value. And… they extended him
I think we all felt this way. Ainge is greedy.
You say that like the parts have been playing lmao
They’re also very injured and very young to be fair. JJJ came off an injury right into another injury, Nurkic hasn’t played yet, Bailey and DP are still very young though I expected more from Bailey. Lauri is really the only one drastically underperforming.
Keyonte had flashes of looking like an unstoppable offensive engine last season but those have been few and far between so far. The team’s construction is baffling and its offseason moves did not enable his continued growth.
No one believes me when I say George is overrated/not-a-winning player. But they are 1 and 11.
Congrats on having Zach LaVine 2.0
Our entire big man rotation is hurt. We’re playing Mo Bamba real rotation minutes right now
No it isn’t. They don’t have reliable center play, which is a complete killer in the league these days.
Same problem with the Bucks. Decent guards, decent wings, horrible centers means you are going to lose a ton of games.
So the Jazz traded away Kessler their only playable center for a bunch of picks that they didn’t use to get another center……. Bold strategy
That’ll happen next offseason, what other center was even available for trade? Duren who wanted more money than Kessler (and is worse)?
We dont like Myles atm but he was just in the finals. Hard to blame your problems there
He’s been absolutely abysmal
“This player was good when they were two years younger and shooting 40% from deep so they can’t be bad when they are two years older and shooting 25% from deep”
Ok so Myles was solid when he was playing next to great guards and a winning team but now with these specific “decent guards and decent wings” it’s his fault.
I promise you he’s not getting the looks he was. He was never worth the money you guys paid for him but he’s also not the reason the trash Bucks are trash.
Myles Turner is fat, can’t make a shot, and has completely quit on the team. He’s not even trying
That’s great news
Some people were talking playoffs before the season iirc
I had them as my last play in team in the West, I thought the incoming rookies, JJJ, Lauri and a year of growth would make them improve enough but I clearly was wrong.
JJJ played 3 1⁄2 games before getting injured. Lauri has missed four games and will be out for quite awhile. Their starting center has missed the entire season this far.
They have had some growing pains as well but the struggles are heavily impacted by injuries to their frontcourt.
I really thought the Jazz would at least be fighting for a play-in spot. I’m very surprised they’re this terrible.
Pieces dont fit, greedy gm, over rated coach
When you keep tanking you create a culture of losing. You can’t just shrug that off in one year.
Well, maybe sometimes you can.
It’s really not a mystery. The Jazz are not a world class franchise like the Spurs or even Thunder where they can be bad for a few years and then slowly get the pieces back together and start winning.
The Jazz are a bad franchise who have been tanking for most of the 2020s. They did not prioritize defense when they drafted their players, and as a result they have some of the worst defenders in the league getting playing time on their team.
Jazz have like the 6th best win percentage OF ALL TIME
Blazers aren’t a world class franchise either, and we started our rebuild after the jazz.
Blazers aren’t a world class franchise either
Only according to angsty teenage-brained redditors from r/ripcity. Actual fans of the Trailblazers know that they are in the upper echelon of franchises and have been basically since they came into the league and won a title immediately. Set the playoff streak record. Multiple competitive windows, multiple Finals appearances. There are 11 teams who have never won a championship. The Hawks and Kings haven’t been to the FInals since the 50’s/60’s.
Seems like a semantics thing and we might have different definitions of “world class,” not to mention the nuances between “not world class” and “bad.”
But the Blazers are winning now, and the Jazz aren’t. That’s the difference
That’s my point. They’ve been terrible for a long time now in a way that really surprises. We even had ownership upheaval when Paul Allen died in 2018, then we got a new, crappy owner, and we’re still better now. Jazz are just horrendous.
This is all so nebulous, there is always an on court reason why something like this happens.
People love to clown on them for the tanking, and rightfully so, but the tankign isn’t why they can’t make use of their talent; it’s that their talent doesn’t fit at all.
There is not always an on court reason. Don’t talk in absolutes
Just are a historically very winning franchise… it’s ok to be wrong but you’re super wrong.
If you mean this version of the front office is botching it, though, yeah sure. Ainge is well respected but he’s missed the mark on this team.
Im gonna wait until everyone in the Clippers is healthy before judging them as a whole. They’re lacking BI to give them that consistent 18-20 ppg.
22-24ppg lol
this isn’t tanking
what is with you nephews and thinking everything is tanking
just naturally there are going to be bad teams lower in the standings
that’s how winning and losing works. someone has to lose for all these dominant teams with 7-2 records
Wait…you mean bad teams actually exist? It wasn’t all just an issue of them not trying hard enough that could be easily fixed by creating a system that punishes them for being bad?
Yeah, anti-tanking rules automatically make terrible players awesome.
Both can be true. You’re a bad team but you want the worst possible record too. It’s NOT like good teams were tanking.
Sounds like you never watched a bad team. Yes they sucked but it was insane how much teams were straight up throwing games last year
I watched several games where a team that was tanking had a close game in the 4th and they straight up pulled their starters to lose on purpose. Stuff like that won’t happen this year which is a major improvement. No one cares if teams are bad, the problem was losing on purpose
Yup and as a fan of a bad team this system is so much better.you don’t have to worry about your team winning games anymore which is the worst feeling
this is not tanking. the new rules do not prevent bad teams from losing.
The problem with tanking is the intentional aspect of it. Teams don’t play their stars, and as seen last year they sign players to rotating 10 day contracts that aren’t even good in the g league lol. That’s untenable. I was anti tanking reform until that started.
This is just the natural result. Every team is trying every night. When that happens bad teams will overwhelmingly lose. I think it’s totally possible that the results of this system are:
Relegation level teams win even less games than normal
Top seeds lose slightly more than normal
Everyone else is bunched together
Yes we’ll see this more noticeably at the end of the season. Last year good teams would have real free wins against bad teams after the asb. This year those bottom teams will stink but they’ll be trying.
Not surprisingly that’s the Lakers upcoming schedule
The Bulls and Bucks have had ridiculously hard schedules so far. The Jazz, Kings and Clippers haven’t had it easy either.
There are so many bad teams right now that it’s genuinely making the league feel more boring.
There’s also 20ish good to solid teams in the league with seemingly a ton of parity at the top, especially in the West. There’s going to be a game almost every night with good teams playing each other. Just ignore the bad teams. Every sports league every season is going to have some door mats that just get walked over.
With Stacey gone there 0 fucking reason to even watch the Bulls anymore.
Caleb Wilson looks really fun and Matas seems to be turning a corner. But yeah they would be a tough team to root for every other night.
Caleb’s been a garbage time warrior, who’s now injured, and Matas has regressed under Splitter.
it is a black and white league right now. The West has like 8 teams like could compete for the title if they stayed healthy and got hot at the right time. Then there’s like 5 teams that are just absolutely awful.
So true. The Warriors just won 8 games in a row and although it felt impressive, it also felt like we weren’t playing like an 8-0 team. Teams are just bad.
Good thing the NBA is doing all they can to keep bad teams worse for longer.
Nothing new, that’s the complaint people have been making for years — the league is boring and nothing matters outside of the playoffs
Agreed. I want to watch the Wolves or Spurs play in a competitive game, but every team they have matched up against so far has been ass. Or mid at best
Last year was worse.
Among all these I think the Jazz have the best chance of digging out when healthy
Lauri is over rated, the coach is over rated, the pieces dont really fit, the gm is greedy. Saying all that they have plenty of assets and young players just being dramatic
I want to agree but the hole is getting deeper every game, 1-11 is brutal to climb out of even if everyone came back and started playing fine
People have been saying this about the Jazz for years now
Well ya, they’ve been tanking.
Digging out to do what?
Hey, 2 of those wins are ours. Let’s make that clear.
More like The Sucks, Bullshits, Shitters, Jizz, and Kings amirite
The maff ain’t maffin
They should have said 4-47 in games against other teams. The Bulls’ only win was against the Bucks and one of the Clippers’ wins was against the Kings. Unfortunately, someone had to win those games. They subtracted the two wins but not the two losses.