[Highlight] In a tied game, in crunch time, Damian Lillard runs around the set screen by Isaiah Hartenstein to contest Jared McCain’s 3-point attempt, and McCain is called for the offensive foul after kicking his leg out (with a replay)
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Dame’s hustle was huge late in the 4th, and I liked every second of it.
This is easily the best defensive game I’ve ever seen Dame play. Multiple impact plays from Dame, they stopped trying to switch on to him by the end of the game.
The true litmus test is if they manage to get someone as likeable as McCain to be hated too lmaoo
Honestly, they’ve done a lot of this already. People were fond of Caruso before OKC. IHart was loved by Knicks fan (I liked him too as a Nuggets fan), and more than these two examples, Russ-era OKC was the first NBA team I’ve ever been a fan with.
God knows how much I believed I’d be a Thunder fan forever but it’s hard to support the current team. And tbf I liked SGA when he first arrived there.
Caruso started flopping and whining to the refs that year they won the title, and he had some atrocious flops against the Lakers last playoffs. It wasn’t an overnight switch, he changed his play style to draw that ire.
Edit: I fucking loved Caruso as a Laker and was rooting for him as a Bull. I was bothered by seeing him on the Thunder but I reserved judgement until the flopping began and he is dead to me after that ridiculous acting job in the Lakers playoff series.
They 100% coach it over there. Foul everyone all the time on defense and then flop for calls every possession on the other end. Just part of the system.
Just saw it for 2 games in 2 nights.
That video of caruso lobbying for booker to get a tech from last playoffs lives in my head rent free
“Started flopping” no, he just started playing for OKC. No one cared when he did the same thing in Chicago
He didn’t. I live in Chicago and was tuned into that Bulls team, Caruso was just a badass defender. He didn’t flop and didn’t play the “you can’t call everything” foul game until he went to OKC, just like McCain.
I don’t get why OKC fans can’t just admit that it’s CLEARLY coached.
You are not a true fan.
AC plays exactly the same way now as he did on the bulls and on the lakers.
“You are not a true fan.”
Oh excuse me for plainly stating how obviously different his play style is since he joined the Thunder. Not like I followed his rise and his obvious impact on a championship team before the Lakers shafted him and he went to Chicago. What would I know about his play style changing?
You can kindly fuck right off.
Sorry im a newer fan of NBA was Ihart whipping his head back to get calls in the Knicks? Like faking getting hit.
I loved him on the Knicks. I did not love the dude taking cheap shots under the basket and grabbing guys on every screen last night.
You’re not a real person.
Oh that cheap shot in the back that almost took Deni out of the game should have been an F2. I hate this used to be likeable MFer with a passion.
Go back and watch that again a blazer pushed him into Deni
Go re-watch again. Siddy doesn’t push him with enough force to make him clench up and launch into Deni. Pretty obvious on the replay. Ref’s just missed it.
I like how in your mind McCains push is awful but Siddy gets the benefit of the doubt.
Maybe just like dont push other players and both are dirty plays
Buddy if you get pushed running at 80% from behind you’re gonna fall forward too doesn’t take much force at that speed.
McCain had a cheap shot on Deni and shoved him in the back and was constantly whining all night. I’m a McCain hater now lol. I love his off the court personality though, but forever fuck the Thunder.
Ignoring the fact that Jrue pushed him 😂😂😂😂
Ignoring the fact that y’all are dirty af and McCain had a dirty play trying to take out Deni. I used to respect and like OKC. Mask off y’all are a bunch of insufferable dirty players.
Dawg go watch the play again
So they provide the explanation that jrue pushed McCain who then fell into Deni and you just ignore it?
Be honest with yourself. It just makes you look like a fucking moron if you aren’t.
Truly the most insufferable fanbase in the league
Flair up biiiiitch
Watch one of his tiktoks and you will hate him too
It’s absolutely not confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance.
It has to be that this Oklahoma team is evil and ruining your life.
I’d say more deeply unlikeable than evil. Karma seems to be coming for you though, so that’s nice.
It already came.. are six injuries, two of which were season if not career ending, not enough for you?
What an insanely absurd comment lmao.
You keep using that phrase cognitive dissonance. I don’t think you know what it means.
Morey sold high, now all of r/NBA hates this guy lol
Damn I must be one of the few McCain haters
He tried to injure Avdija last night, so mission accomplished for this fan.
Like the Joker trying to prove he could turn Harvey Dent bad lol.
After that BS back push on Deni, I think I speak for the whole city when I say it’s on sight for McTikTok in Rip City.
The call literally didn’t matter. Portland got the rebound off the missed shot anyway so call or no call it’s Portlands ball. If anything it prevented a fast break.
Arguably the blazers actually got screwed in this scenario, the call the refs should’ve made on this play was the blatant moving screen which if called would’ve fouled hartenstein out of the game completely
Aren’t both teams in the penalty so that puts Portland at the line?
No, it was an offensive foul so Portland ball out of bounds.
There are plenty of no-calls when shooters fall with minimal contact
Micah Nori has 36 yr old, coming off an ACL Dame going over screens to contest shots for the 1st time in his career.
What a coach.
Dame tore his Achilles, not his ACL
Just say you were wrong. How fragile you are.
That’s not pedantry they are two completely different kinds of injuries
One is way worse than the other for sure
They are very different injuries. With very different limitations on the other side of healing. It’s pretty impressive what Dame is doing.
“OH NOES I WAS WRONG, BETTER ATTACK PEOPLE”
i thought minnesotans were nice :(
Well Happy Cake Day from an Oregonian!
Turns out people are just people. Black, brown, green, male, female, in-between. We’re all just human beings. Wild shit, right?
LOL you mean thanks reddit for not being able to accept correction
Just the act of effort from Dame on defense resulted in 3 critical fouls in this game, including this one. Great all-around game from Dame.
He no longer has to carry the entire team for 38 minutes a night. Playing like 29. Can dedicate some more energy to defense.
Dame’s always been a good post defender, he’s strong for his size, but yeah, this is new. Nori is doing a great job.
He’s always had the ability. He’s never had the desire.
When you’re averaging 35+ min for your whole career as the main offensive engine, it makes sense for a player like Dame to conserve his energy on the defensive end for clutch situations. This year on a career low minutes average he’s able to expend more energy on both sides of the ball.
It doesn’t matter what your excuse is, if you can be targeted on defense you’re a problem for the team.
Don’t know if he wanted to come here or not but I was hoping bulls were gonna get him
how many games does this run have to go before we admit el cheapo was right about the coaching change
I dunno about that one… Not sure you can just leave that as a no call because I don’t think it’s a foul on dame either but it wasn’t like he kicked his leg out a ton - looked like a natural sway to me.
Announcer explained that it was called because he took Dame out of the play. If Dame had stayed on his feet it’s a no-call.
Which sounds right to me. If Dame didn’t get tripped he could’ve jumped again to contest the shot.
This was the worst reffed 4th since the spurs playoff whistle
I agree with a no call. He didn’t kick out his leg in an unnatural way to try to find contact.
So I looked up some McCain highlights, and, it’s hard for this to be conclusive because the player’s momentum is different in every shot, etc.
Normally, he seems to really consistently bring his feet together as he comes down on a jump shot more so than a lot of guys.
That being said, there are some exceptions, including an example when he’s coming around a screen to his right, like this play - there’s one play which is much more egregious, but no contact was made. There are some others which are in traffic so, you know, could be a function of jumping backwards to get his shot off in traffic, or it could be fishing for a foul.
I agree that this is not an obvious version of this type of foul. The fact that he has to turn to his left to square up to the basket would make me lean towards no-call here, his there is some rotational momentum there (whereas the same motion on a catch-and-shoot would be a clear foul to me.) As a shooter making that turn, you want to swing your leg forward because you basically want to put the momentum of your turn into your leg so that your torso is steady. (Movement shooters need really strong abs exactly to stabilize themselves in this motion).
I’m honestly fine with a fairly tight enforcement of this foul. In fact, I think you have to enforce this tightly if you’re going to enforce landing-zone fouls, otherwise offensive players get too much of an advantage. But this is pretty borderline.
I’m a diehard Blazer fan and even I was confused by that call. Wasn’t mad about it cuz it helped us, but I woulda been heated if it had been called on us.
Three steps = travel
Nooooo! why would you think….
edit: added video link
Downfall of OKC is feeding civilizations
“Downfall” by losing a November game in Portland without 4 hugely impactful players. Go off though
“2 November games in a row”. Go off though.
After coming off a 4 game win streak lol
TIL okc is the only team dealing with injuries!
72% of their salary is injured. Only team dealing with this yes.
Warriors are at like 71% injured or out.
umm yes, this is part of their downfall
lol ok no back and forth necessary if you really think that way
It only took an historical run of devastating injuries, hope you’re enjoying it.
I am.
Yeah, because the Blazers don’t have four roster players out with injury either.
The Thunder have 6 missing including their 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th options, including their 3 All defensive players. That makes a huge difference.
What’s historic about it?
The injury prone guy that only played 30ish games last year is likely going to miss this season too. And Holmgren will miss less than half the season. You know HISTORICAL run of devastating injuries. OKC fans are so goddamn insufferable
Don’t get mad at me get mad at Shams for digging up the stat. And the healthiest player in the league still gets injured when they are taken out in the air and their ankle goes backwards. But don’t let common sense get in the way of your hating.
75% of cap space is injured.
And how is that historic? Is that the most ever? Educate me.
No team in the last 50 years has lost 3 starters to significant injuries in the same game.
Okay. So that was one historic game? The doesn’t make the injuries themself historic, does it? What’s historic about the injuries the Thunder have?
The NBA is so cooked. Before the foul even occurs there is a moving screen and a travel.
A Warriors fan spotting illegal screens.
Lol this is like crack to y’all huh? I don’t know any Warriors fans in real life that think moving screens are good for the game. And I know a shit ton of Warriors fans.
Lol this is like crack to y’all huh?
You’re the one who said ‘NBA is cooked’, as if it wasn’t cooked 10 years ago.
Yes it was. I haven’t liked the direction the NBA is going in for a very long time. It is worse now than I’ve ever seen it though, because of broken window theory. Edit: I’m not sure the answer y’all are looking for
You guys built a dynasty off the best shooter ever and some sketchy moving ass screens
Yes that is true
what about building a dynasty on kicks to the nuts, eye gouges, and stomping on chests?
Andrew Bogut-
“One thing that was crazy about that run was the shit that I used to get away with screening, man it was all time. I knew if I was in Milwaukee and I set that I’d foul out in the first quarter, but playing in Golden State…I could literally clothesline someone off the next pindown.. and I could punch somebody in the face on a screen, knock em out and they wouldn’t call it. Klay would get his 4th 3, and even the refs would go “Wow” (and ignore it), it was crazy. Then I get traded to Dallas to set those same screens and I’d get 3 fouls in the first quarter, It was just crazy with the stuff I used to get away with there (Golden State).”
Hart always illegally screens, the refs just never call it
Everyone always illegally screens that’s my point. Idk what the point of a rule book is if you don’t follow it, especially one preventing a moving screen which is a really good rule.
And then fans like the guy who replied to me expect players to enforce the rules rather than the guys who are paid to do so. But this is what the guy who pays them wants and it’s eroding our sport and delegitimizing it.
Splash bros made moving screens legal
You need to go back and watch some of those KG celtics screens lol
Didn’t know Adam Silver is a splash bro but I appreciate the insight.
That is not a travel—what are you talking about? He first touches the ball with his left foot on the ground, steps with right [1], steps with left [2, left is now the pivot], rotates on the pivot to face the basket, elevates, and releases the ball before his pivot touches the ground. This is textbook clean. He doesn’t even really use a gather step.
This is probably not a travel in today’s NBA, but yes, this is absolutely a travel in high school basketball. You’re not allowed to lift your pivot foot and bring it back to the court with the ball.
He doesn’t though. That’s the point. His final pivot foot is the left foot on the jumper, and well, he shot it.
His final pivot foot… homie you only get one lol
It’s not anymore because in 2009 fans, players and coaches were upset about travels not being called. Then the league officially added the gather step into the rule book so they could continue to push high powered offense for entertainment purposes and fans like you would say “this is textbook clean.”
No, this would not be a travel even without a gather step. I don’t think you realize you can lift you pivot to shoot. Like I showed, it’s three total pivot feet if you consider the initial contact with the ball the initial pivot. Left, then right (left to right is step 1), then left (right to left is step 2), rotates around the left (not a step, and never has been a step), then it’s a jumper.
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
See the propaganda is working. That is a travel in nearly every decade in NBA history. We didn’t used to need to jump through all these hoops. The dude takes 4 steps. I know it’s not a travel anymore. My point is the game is gone. This shit looks fucking stupid.
LOL, yes, this is clearly a offensive foul.The troll fabric is working overtime today to justify this game
I disagree. There’s no clear extension and the contact was minimal. It should have been a no-call on the shot but they definitely should have cashed Hart for the illegal screen.
This one seems totally natural to me as well. Your non landing leg will always kick out a bit on a fadeaway like that. Not nearly egregious as others (even though I love him KAT always tries for bad kick outs lol)
It’s physics. If you jump in the air then throw a ball you will create a rotation in the opposite direction of the thrown ball. To counteract the rotation you move a leg forward in the opposite direction of the moment of rotation.
If I’m remembering things correctly, it’s been a few years since I took that class.
To counteract the rotation you move a leg forward in the opposite direction of the moment of rotation.
Most redditors don’t play basketball, so they don’t know this and assume it’s intentional.
Agreed. I dont see a kick out foul. That rolling screen was blatant.
…and the leg started moving exactly when the arm started pushing the ball, it looks very natural.
Until he holds his foot out on purpose through the contact and into his fall, lmao. Clearly intentional.
Yeah if Dame fell instead of fighting thru the screen, he prly would have got the moving screen call. But props to him for not flopping and contesting instead.
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Why would you use a capital letter?
Because their comment is not a continuation of the previous comment, it’s a correction. So it would still need to generally follow the rules, like Capitalizing the beginning of a sentence. The sentence is incomplete, obviously.
I mean, you’re not wrong, but as someone who grew up watching 80s/90s that still registers as incidental contact from that view.
But as a Blazers fan, I’m happy about the outcome of the game.
That is so soft, Luka has done that about 16x and I’ve never seen it be a offensive foul just let them play
I think it’s partly because they missed a travel, a moving screen, and Dame fell after the contact. Add those things up and a soft foul is definitely gonna be called.
I do think it’s a foul but honestly should’ve just been a no call it’s so close to being the other way
Should have been a foul call on the blatant moving screen. Nothing else after that would have mattered.
90% of screens are illegal screens
I blame draymond for that
No you should blame the Racist Aussie he’s the one that really started it.
Every single one of Clingan’s screens were illegal bro. He sticks his legs out as far as he can every time and he looks like he’s doing a split
How does that make it illegal? Taking a wide stance on your screen is perfectly legal. You’re not allowed to MOVE while setting a screen. Players can avoid his wide stance.
So confidently wrong, check the rulebook on how wide your stance is supposed to be with your legs pertaining to your shoulders.
0% the other way, Dame is out side of his shot motion, and doesn’t land anywhere near him. If there is no kick out dame doesn’t touch him or land in his space, this is exaclty what the rule is for because the kick out took dame out of the play.
He also obviously holds his foot out because he’s able to maintain his foot there through the contact all the way into his fall to the ground. He kicked out on purpose.
I’m not a OKC fan, but that really should have been a no-call. That is a very soft foul. One could argue Lillard ran into McCain’s leg.
Players have been sticking their legs out to make it harder to defend jumpers. It was a point of emphasis a couple years ago. If you stick your legs out and the defender runs into them, it’s a foul on you.
should be a no call but lillard did not run into his legs hes jumping into open space perpendicular to the defender and mccains foot crosses his path while he’s already midair.
One could and one would be wrong.
McCain sweeps his leg out. Intentionally trying to get a call against him
If uve ever tried to shoot a movement 3, ur leg swinging a bit is for the balance. The amount McCain does it seems within normal degree and not him doing the Reggie Miller
i swear theres no consistency to any of these calls. i think this is a fine call but I swear other times this would be 3 free throws because they would say that it wasnt a safe landing and thats his natural shooting motion.
McCain swung his leg out on purpose
Just like he trucked Deni in the back on purpose. They’re coached to try and get away with as much as possible.
Mccain got pushed by jrue into deni
What a BS foul lol
Probably right. It definitely should’ve been the moving screen on hartenstein here
McCain pushes his leg out in hopes of an offensive call. Not bs at all. Watch it again
Would have been incidental had he not stuck it out a lil extra at the end
Stuck it and held it to try and sell the call lol.
dirty ass team
It was not a fadeaway shot. He jumps straight up, kicked his legs out to try to get contact and fell
I hate the rules as they’re written/called but they are the rules. League has been soft for over 10 years. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.