And everyone knows MIP MVP candidate is Tychael Jordome.

What are you talking about?

DARKO seems to think he’ll catch peak LeBron in a year. The only remaining piece is playmaking

every single advanced (and even basic nontrivial) metric has him having the greatest single season peak of all time. simply because it sounds insane doesn’t mean it should be dismissed

The best defender in history putting up 38 PPG in 28 MPG on super high efficiency would be the best peak in history, yes.

rookie wembly is one of greatest denfenders of all time lol

He was a better defender than probably most guards best defensive games

Yeah and offense is also making screens and runs in the paint to open shooting opportunities for teammmates… almost sounds like a guard and a center contribute differently to the game, who would have thought

But scoring is only part of the offense. On top of that, the scoring title is based off of PPG instead of total points scored in the regular season so it’s a little silly

Apparently passing, creating open looks for others count as nothing.

Jokic has been top 2 in MVP voting for 6 straight years. And he’s won 3 of them.

This gets parroted all the time, but who was the last mvp that won because of narrative and not being the mvp?

Luka certainly won’t maintain 40 ppg. Look how his scoring is coming down a bit, and he’s starting to get hurt. It’s just 12 games of the season

Not to mention, Wemby is basically always amazing on defense, every second he’s on the floor. Luka will have off-minutes, off-quarters, and off-games by the very nature of his high-risk/high-reward playstyle

I think if the season ended right now it would be a close battle and I would be happy to see either guy get it as I like them both, I would lean Luka as he is averaging like 39/8/8 on like ridiculous efficiency, 14 3s a game, 1 seed technically, still close battle. But here is the thing, offense has always been more important than defense, in public perception and voting.

The MVP awards since 2000, Jokic 3x, Nash 2x, Dirk, Harden, Steph 2x, Westbrook, Rose, AI, Shai 2x, that’s 14 out of 27 years where there was probably better defenders with similar numbers. I mean we are talking Wemby, Giannis, Embiid, Kawhi, Lebron, AD, Dwight, Chris Paul, KG, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, etc. Good to elite defenders over the years who all had years where they dropped big numbers. I don’t see a world where they don’t steal some of these 14 MVPs if it worked like that. I always say it, no one considers AD a better player than Jokic, even though he can average ²⁸⁄₁₂ with blocks vs Jokic’s default of 28/12/9 with bad defense. One is like a 7-⁸⁄₁₀ offensive player with 8-⁹⁄₁₀ defense, the other is a ¹⁰⁄₁₀ offensive player with ⁴⁄₁₀ defense, but still we all agree that Jokic is better. It’s because guys like Jokic and Luka have tremendous impact on offense, its not just about dropping 30 and 10, they break the game with their efficient scoring and playmaking. Wemby’s offensive impact, while he can drop 30, can not be matched, as he is a finisher first and foremost, and he doesn’t have to bring the ball up and “create offense”

It’s not just scoring on offense, Luka is a system, and gets so many blitzes that can be then advantageous, and is a much better passer than Wemby. Even still, probably doesn’t make up for the defensive gap, but offense isn’t just scoring.

Not sure how can’t this be really close, we’re seeing two amazing streches of a small sample size of games. At this point (which is early), I think noone should be mad at it going either way, but it’s a long season ahead.

SGA or Ant.(Edit) Wemby offense is better but I have to see more to say hes the best Two way player.

Absolutely … luka was still in the game when they were up 20 points with 5 mins to go to stat pad…

The PER will give you a better picture 1. Wemby 38 then it’s Steph and luka at 34

bUT lUkA iS aVERagINg 40 a gAmE?!?

I think Wemby is now 2nd after steph checked out with injury earlier (he had 3 points). His stats aren’t updated just yet.

yea our team actually has an FMVP and a Larry bro, chill out you fuckin loser.

MVP is and has been for like the past 20 years a narrative driven trophy. It’s not just about being the best, it’s about having the best narrative. Why did Westbrook win it as a 6th seed? why did Joel win it? why did nash win it over bron?

Sit down son the adults are talking.

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