No the kings just are a little slow and Presti is picking on them. It’s honestly cruel lol

Criminal my ass they traded basically two 2nds for two 2nds unless the Spurs miss the playoffs. Worst case they traded a 1st for two 2nds and a chance at a player who didn’t work out. Not a great trade but nowhere near “bad” let alone “criminal”

And is he willing to share with me?

Honestly wouldn’t surprise me considering the owners daughter has dated 2 former kings. One of them being Chance Comanche who is currently in prison for murder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEK_d-SFfCQ

1st the chances of the Spurs missing the playoffs are slim to none. So the thunder basically get 2 mid 1st for 2 2nds I get why the king would do it but in know way is it not a terrible trade for the kings. Kings doing what they do best Dumb stuff!

The Utah one sure, but that Minny pick? Not so sure.

We know what the 2030 draft class strength looks like already? I mean 2nds are always who fucking knows but this is a bit premature.

it’s not weaker than 2024. But yeah it’s definitely on the weaker side. Probably on par with 2013.

No, it is a San Antonio pick and they won’t be in the top 16.

Take is all with you Nique!

No offence but I’m not going to judge a prospect who went to Sacramento. I want to see them in a functional NBA franchise before I write them off as being “really bad”

No he isn’t my man.

Honestly happy for Nique, he’ll finally get a chance to play for a team that has the faintest idea how to develop players or run rotations.

He’s good at almost everything you could want from a combo/2 guard. Rebounding, passing, defense, secondary ball handling, scoring at multiple levels.

His only weakness so far has been general inconsistency, which almost entirely vanished when the Kings finally gave him a consistent role in the back half of last season. He put up 13/5/4 on slightly above-average efficiency with 2:1 AST:TO. And he’s a guy in a Josh Hart/Derrick White mold, both of those guys were the same age as him as rookies and fucking TERRIBLE in their rookie year. Neither really broke out until year 3-4.

When Nique is one of the best role players in the NBA in a couple years I’m gonna have so many fucking receipts for Kings fans complaining that we traded him

watch him go to okc and somehow develop into an all defense player😭

Basically guarantee he turns out to be good in OKC now. It’s the kings curse.

Agreed with this that he is bad, but at the same time, I do wonder if the Thunder could kinda fix that? Feels like a lot of the woes from what I saw, beyond what looked like a skill gap at times, was deer in headlights and just not ready for the moment a lot of times.

Without bashing Sacramento too much, I do hope for his sake that the differences between OKC and Sacramento’s developmental programs can help him at least be useful during this injury stretch for OKC

I’d wager on this conventional wisdom changing pretty quickly.

Aren’t OKC stockpiled on 2nds? That’s how, they don’t care and need warm bodies

Wasn’t he doing well at the end of last season? That’s all I remember about him

apparently Presti is a basketball genius who develops every player he trades for into an allstar just ignore most of his prior trades

Doesn’t seem like you guys have any system in place at all

It’s different playing off of Shai in a defensive system vs whatever the hell Lavine Sabonis do

Really

Everyone sucks in Sacramento because it’s Sacramento.

Everyone is bad till they come to okc

!remindme 2 months

I will say. If Presti is calling about a player you should maybe reevaluate if he’s not good or if it’s the team/ownership/program that is bad. Or even if he’s being asked to do more then he can after 1 year and that makes him look bad

I’m gonna trust in what Presti sees in him and assume he just fleeced, lol.

I think sometimes as fans we see stats and just go “oooh this can be something SERIOUS” but the more hardcore fans who watch all the games may go “….but dude is ass”

Sam obviously saw something that he felt Mark could mold and make into a Thunder player. What is it though? Lord knows…

No, the Kangz are really really bad at basketball. And team culture. And player development. And reality. And media. And

The trade was agreed upon before they picked him, unfortunately the NBA still credits the original pick owner instead of the team that drafted him unlike every other league

The Kings drafted him. The NBA is just annoying and doesn’t officially recognize draft day trades until after the draft.

Ahhhh. No seconds. My bad.

You basically traded our first back to us

People are going to flame this trade hard. A lot of people like Clifford

It’s the SAS 2027 first protected top-16. It’s going to convey.

Why don’t the Kings flip Lavine’s \(48 mil expiring and Domas’ \)94 mil contracts for first rounders and upcoming role players? Are they stupid?

Infinite 2nd round pick exploit just dropped

If they develop into Nique they will be cut immediately

Lois, you know how much we’ve always wanted a ‘Nique Clifford!

Hey, atleast give them the 22-23’ season

Who is the last player they developed to their full potential? So, upside if they trade them before they break their spirit, I guess?

It’s not a 1:1 copy, just a sign of Presti’s goals. To identify young players not being valued by their current teams and trying to get them for cheap. McCain was barely holding onto a rotation spot in Philly, he played less than 10 minutes in several games right before the trade. Then Morey’s comments afterward made it clear they didn’t value him. Clifford had fallen completely out of the rotation in Sacramento. The assets they gave up for him are worse because he’s a worse player, but the process behind the trades are very similar.

Slight disagree from me on this one. His first year he was looking like an ROTY dark horse before his injury. Then he lost playing time and didn’t seem to be his best self on the Sixers and kind of re-emerged with O.K.C.

True, if they don’t think he’s nice they are (Daryl Morey is) a LIAR.

People downvoting you haven’t watched him lately. But I also think it’s partly the system he’s in. He just got bumped to g-league to get minutes cuz he’s been awful. He looked passable last season though.

Watch OKC turn him into the next Aaron Wiggins

Honestly a second rd pick can land a very useful senior on a good contract these days. Hit twice, and you’ll probably land on a guy better than Nique

He was great last season? I remember catching one game, he’s cooking offensively it’s crazy!

But do the Kings trust their drafting more than their player development?

Presti started that thread

Feels like the type of guy that would be nice to have for roster/lineup flexibility reasons, while hoping you don’t have to play him much if you can help it.

100%

I mean if he was mediocre, he would probably still be on the team.

Shai will unlock him no problem

Do-it-all not good-on-all, please read the fine print next time sir

He went to CSU which means he enjoys fucking sheep

This comment is cope

Which means he’s about to have a Haliburton/Fox moment.

And the Thunder actually have a front office to evaluate these things too.

Podz is a decent starter, if Clifford were as good as him on this contract he’d get a first easy

Honestly couldn’t tell if you meant it in a good way or a bad way.

This could mean a lot of things

Podz can score points in the nba. Nique not so much

Derik Queen still traveled and I’m glad he’s on a dogshit team

Exactly

Yeah just wish you all would have traded him to someone besides the Thunder lol

lets see if Sabonis will be at all-star level again after the trade

He has looked pretty bad this season and has been getting beaten out to minutes by 2-way guys.

Hope the best for him but let’s not act like we have traded away Haliburton

And it’s lottery protected in case the Spurs collapse so it’s not thaat bad. Still bad though.

Late firsts have negative value for 2nd apron teams for sure. I’m curious on the quality of the 2nds you’re giving us- hopefully not your own

Honestly since we have an unprotected Clippers first and a top 5 protected Denver first I gotta imagine Presti tries to simply trade that Spurs first and kick it down the road or package it to move up

Yea, it’s not a huge win but to be fair, the Thunder have too many picks honestly. You can’t play everyone.

It’s not a contract that I’d want on my team, but it’s expiring next season. There’s a floor on how bad it is because of that

I can smell the agenda in this comment, but believe it or not making comments on Reddit doesn’t do anything to devalue Sabonis as a trade target for the Raptors. Such a random snipe.

Lavine is clearly their worst contract and it is not close.

Definitely looked bad but then again he plays for the kings. And you gotta look at who traded for him. OKC’s track record is top tier. I chronically follow basketball so I read a lot of bad things about Micah Peavy too and that dude is suddenly a good rotational player in OKC. They’re just an A+ system and organization and the kings can’t compare to anything close to that.

I think he’s going to have a Derrick White/Ayo Dosunmu sort of role as a connective passer, run the fastbreak but mostly play off ball on offense, play hard defense, etc. The Thunder have ball handlers and are so bereft of wings that they will probably benefit from what he can do better than the Kings.

Or he’ll end up like Davion and become an elite shooter

Agreed. Playing for the Kings. There is no person who believes they are currently playing winning basketball. It doesnt even look like they try, even if some pieces seem promising.

I’m big on Acuff but they really should’ve kept a player like Clifford around

i think after a while anyone would be checked out on the kings.

tbf, i don’t know of a single person who willing tunes into kings games

The second year SG on the Kings bench who was drafted 24th with an 8ppg career average?

No I hadn’t.

one thing isn’t worth the same value to two different people. Kings are getting nothing out of him, best they can do is squeeze Presti for as much as they can get

I mean I don’t like the trade as a fan but honestly if we kept Clifford on the roster I think his value would’ve plummeted even further

He looked lost and didn’t play great AT ALL for us. Summer league and preseason included

bruh I watched the first game of the season between the Thunder and Spurs.

I was absolutely fucking shocked that they could put a rookie on Wemby, and somehow it worked.

How does Sam Preti keep doing this? He is truly the greatest talent evaluater this league has ever seen.

If you’re a bad organization and Presti calls offering to take a 2nd year player who was a former first round pick, you should probably say no

remember when his big trade was getting a completely broken Gordon Hayward?

Terry isn’t eligible as this is his 5th season, they have to be 3 or less for a 2 way.

Is this the new f-m-k?

It will be Dix not Barnhizer but yeah.

You ain’t getting wings for 2 seconds and Presti ain’t willing to actually spend.

Not saying he’s going to suddenly become a worldbeater, but Isaiah Joe wasn’t a rotation guy either pre-OKC

He’s been somehow worse off the ball

I have him in my dynasty league so that’d be nice

As a Kings fan this is my expectation, they’ll turn him into a first round pick

Why is any nation buying oil from the middle east brah?

Do you even know who Nique Clifford was before today?

Not be so sure in your opinion because Acuff Jr is apsolute right choice by them. Clifford have some digne of being solid rotational member, but this is his value now

Vast majority of the basketball internet thought it was stupid for our GM to chase Acuff and Duren. He seems to be proven right in those two so far

I think we’re comfortable with who we got and the price we paid for them. Rare win/win trades for both teams IMO.