Replays of Yandy Díaz’ check swing for strike three
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Getting a definitive definition of a check swing can’t come soon enough
It’s pretty simple - it’s you know when…when the bat crosses. Well you get it
A check swing is when you
You see the things is, you can’t just
lemme start over
please don’t do a check swing
Ok well listen. A check swing is when you check swing the
No, that’s a balk you’re thinking of.
r/redditsniper protecting the MLB
You can’t be up there doin a swing
Dont do a check swing pleae
It’s when the bat crosses the plane but the plane is whatever fits your argument
When it’s the other team it’s a strike, when it’s my team it’s a ball
It’s about the wrists, not the bat. It’s when the wrists kinda go around like that a bit too much. Hope that clears it up.
Exactly, when your wrists break the plane a bit much then it’s a strike
My dad always taught me a full swing is when the bat is positioned so that if it were to make contact with a pitched ball, the ball would end up in play. I know there’s some math involved with finding out what that angle of swing is but surely a multi-billion dollar organization like the MLB could figure it out by now
MLB’s testing out a rule in the minors where a checked swing would become a strike if the bat reaches 45°.
It’s simple the manager comes out and yells “FULL FUCKIN’ SWING” and then gets ejected
It’s like a balk. Easy to figure out. /s
For some reason I always thought it was if the first base ump can see the tip of the bat then it’s a swing/strike.
This was not a check swing because that’s why.
Funny because the WBSC rules used in international tournaments would say swing (bat head crossed front hip) while the MiLB rules would say no swing (bat did not reach 45 degree angle). But in MLB, call whatever you want!
“I know it when I see it” -Justice Potter Stewart on what constitutes pornography and check swings
*obscenity and check swings
To be fair this was the “Piss Christ” of high stakes check swings
“I have reached the conclusion, which I think is confirmed at least by negative implication in the Court’s decisions since Roth and Alberts, [Footnote 2⁄1] that, under the First and Fourteenth Amendments, criminal laws in this area are constitutionally limited to hard core pornography. [Footnote 2⁄2] I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description, and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that.”
Which in the conclusion links obscenity to hardcore pornography as being the explicit definition which can be constricted when it conflicts with the constitution. Ergo, Justice Stewart was saying that the matter in the case was not hardcore pornography, and therefore not obscene
the hip rule is better
So, I umpired High School and American Legion ball for 14 years. The NFHS rules and the American League rules (which we used in American Legion) didn’t define a check swing. So, we, as an organization, came up with the standard that if the bat was in a position that it could’ve striked the ball at the time the ball crossed the plate, then it was a swing. In this case, even under that standard, it could’ve gone either way.
The 1b line is 45°. His bat is pretty parallel to that. I don’t have a dog in this fight, but I’m not sure how conclusive it is that he didn’t reach 45°.
Also 44° is a pretty insane max bat angle to be considered a check swing. If he makes contact with the ball at the point of this screenshot, it’s pulled down the 3b line.
Check Swing Rules
You can’t just be up there and just checkin’ your swing like that.
1a. A check swing is when you
1b. Okay well listen. A check swing is when you check the
1c. Let me start over
1c-a. The batter is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, ball, that makes the umpire think that you’re, you know, just trying to hit the ball. You can’t do that.
1c-b. Once the batter is in the swing, he can’t be over here and say to the ball, like, “I’m gonna get ya! I’m gonna hit you! You better watch your butt!” and then just be like he didn’t even do that.
1c-b(1). Like, if you’re about to swing and then don’t swing, you have to still swing. You cannot not swing. Does that make any sense?
1c-b(2). You gotta be, swinging motion of the bat, and then, until you just hit it.
1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the bat up here, like this, but then there’s the check swing you gotta think about.
1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A check swing is when the batter makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the baseball and field of
Needs something to replace the Fairuza Balk rule
The Sultans of Swing came out almost 50 years ago. My god I’m old.
She was always kind of freaky looking. I wonder what ever happened to her.
I know. I couldn’t quickly finding something check swingy compared to balk.
I saved this like 8 years ago lol
You can’t just be up there and just doin’ a check swing like that.
1c-a. The batter is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, ball, that prohibits the umpire from doing, you know, just trying to call the pitch. You can’t do that.
1c-b. Once the bat is in motion, he can’t be over here and say to the ball, like, “I’m gonna swing at ya! I’m gonna bat! You better watch your butt!” and then just be like he didn’t even do that.
1c-b(1). Like, if you’re about to swing at a pitch and then don’t swing, you have to still check your swing. You cannot not swing. Does that make any sense?
1c-b(2). You gotta be, swinging motion of the bat, and then, until you just check it.
1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the bat up here, like this, but then there’s the check you gotta think about.
1c-b(2)-b. Iowa hasn’t been in the news in forever. I hope it wasn’t typecast as just a swing state in the election.
1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, thats where the field of dreams game was too! That would be even worse.
1c-b(2)-b(ii). “if you build it he will come” – Shoeless joe, “The field of dreams.” Haha, classic…
Do not do a check swing please.
Growing up isn’t easy
This is the second variant of the balk copy pasta ive seen in two consecutive threads lol. I just came from the video of drai crosschecking matthews and people wondering why cross checking isnt always called
This is brilliant. And it’s spot on a hundred percent works just as well as the original to describe this nonsensical check swing “rule”
Check swing copy pasta just dropped
It’s a modified version of the balk copy pasta.
Hahahahhaa!
I enjoyed this ty
It’s just a modified balk copy pasta, but I’m glad people are enjoying it. I wish I was this creative.
Delete this.
Na
It’s a lot like pornography, hard to define but you know it when you see it
Also hard when I see it
Just like with a TB error
Dammit, Ted Lasso
MLB literally has an automated check-swing challenge system implemented in AAA. Probably will introduce it to majors next year now.
If it is I hope they change the threshold because that 45 degree shit is nonsense
I agree, but even if they don’t, having a defined standard is still better than not having one
Counterpoint: it would lead to less strikeouts, which could be a good thing for the game. And what people have considered a checked swing has changed a lot over the years, so it’s not like the 45 degree angle is objectively wrong or bad
https://youtube.com/shorts/AR0Oyn-Xht8
Counter-counterpoint: I’m used to breaking parallel being the rule of thumb people use when watching replays therefore anything else is bad and wrong
As long as it comes with an official definition of 45 degree with the stated goal of reducing strikeouts im good with it
Why even have a pitcher then if you want to just keep handicapping them? Just go up there with a T and then let them wack away. This utter nonsense of wanting to reduce strikeouts by taking away pitchers weapons when the real issue is that all hitters do at this point is swing for the fences instead of for a base hit. We already took away the shift to benefit pole hitters, this would just be another weak, lame, excuse to get more homeruns to get the casuals and bettors invested in baseball.
It’s how the umpires make the call. If the bat is pointed towards the first case umpire, it’s a swing. This is extremely close to that 45 angle and I think it’s a fair cutoff point
Watch the check swings from the 60s and 70s that were called balls
I’ve seen them. That’s exactly why I don’t want that to be the threshold, the calls from those days were ridiculous.
Hopefully not because the threshold they were using is bogus
Will there BE Majors next year?
Good point lol
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It was in the pac league aaa and a-ball fla league. So not super standard implemented. Gonna need another year or two I’d imagine. Plus they have to flesh out “what is the fucking rule.” When I was I kid in little league it wasn’t always crossing the plate. It was breaking your wrists. Playing strikeout on our own time the only way to do it was breaking the wrist. I’m not saying how they should do it though. Just that they should have caution HOW they do it. The “ in the area rule” didn’t pass muster last night for the final out and it should have.
I hope it involves some wrist and bat angle trigonometry. The more complicated the better.
That. I mean, unless I’m missing something, he very clearly went.
You’re missing that this isn’t a good angle and the reason it looks like that is because it’s tilted up.
Yep. That’s rotated and makes it look worse than it is.
How is it 2026 and we don’t have cameras at the parks like pylon cams in football for the goal line that are in line with the front of the plate?
You’re missing that this isn’t top down.
A simple catwalk could remedy all of these issues
If you think his bat really went that far past the plate, where do you think his head and shoulders are?
Is that directly from above?
Looks pretty similar to the one from last night they didn’t call as a swing
Yea, and that was a terrible call.
First angle made me think it was a terrible call. This one makes me realize I should never be an umpire.
This is a relatively useless angle
Apparently so did his entire upper body as it’s in the field of play. He probably went but this picture is from an angle that makes it look ridiculous.
Is this satire?
It’s been umpire’s discretion for an embarrassingly long time.
Yeah, it’s insane that the rule is “what does the blind obese senior citizen standing 100 feet away think the batter meant to do?”
these fuckers get tricked by a catcher moving their glove two feet towards the center of the plate when they’re standing less than 2 feet away, there’s zero reason to trust them to judge something from over 50 times that distance
Defining it would be easy if we agreed it was something simple like the bat being over the plate before the ball but that would probably expand the rule to favor pitching in 90% of calls.
The same time the NFL figures out what a catch is
My idea is if the bat crosses parallel with the pitching rubber
I have zero faith in the PA getting the league to actually define this during this round of talks even though the technology already exists to make a specific physical definition easy to track and enforce.
If we get a definition of a check swing before a catch, what a time to be alive
Vibes. All vibes.
There needs to be a copypasta of a Check Swing, like there is for What’s a Balk.
there is a definitive definition of a check swing it is when the guy says that is a swing that is why he says it to make sure everybody knows
What comes first… check swing definition or what is considered a catch in the NFL?
While I ultimately agree… it’s strike three.
I know a check swing when I see one.
its screwed both sides
If the end of your bat exceeds the plane of your hands towards the pitcher as you swing, that’s a strike.
You gotta make a Baseball move.
I don’t even know what a swing IS, let alone a checked one. It’s just astounding that we see calls and we are like ok, that’s one but then this is? Tell me I am wrong but??? What is it?
Thanks to Fox for giving us the worst replays of all time
I didn’t even get to see the one challenge. They just cut to commercial.
It’s always more important for us to see Sydney Sweeney’s ass and boobs
How else am I going to know if I won my Polymarket bet on what color her underwear is?!
I was at the game so I couldn’t see her underwear. What color was it?
I mean…
The Brewers radio guys were razzing Fox so hard for cutting to commercial, lol.
The fact that they didn’t show it right away made me think it was an obvious checked swing lol
Consistent with their NASCAR coverage.
Did you see the second over the top one, because it clearly shows he swung.
I hate when Fox is too lazy to give us a proper replay.
His bat pullback motion was so quick that it made the swing look more checked
I do think it was a swing when I go frame by frame. How an umpire in real time can see that is wild. But I guess they’ve got way more practice at it and are actively looking for it. I think it was the right call. Idk how he made it, but he did.
Yup he bit at it hard and pulled back. Looked like a swing
Agreed, but I’m impressed with his arm strength being able to reverse the bat direction so quickly
Well, he is absolutely jacked after all.
Yeah, I felt the same. It was a bit of an illusion as the pullback made it worse than it was. A close call either way.
Not the one replay I want
Lmso right, can we not get the regular straight across the plate check swing view?
Especially in a series with 2 dome teams?
They must not be showing that one for a reason
Or its just been like 12 seconds
Did they not have that camera rolling bruh?
Bad look for the league to show that.
But the replay we deserve
Side angle makes me feel he didn’t go but top angle makes me feel he did, real close.
Problem with top angle is it’s behind the plate, not directly top
Need my photogrammetry experts to tell me how I am supposed to feel
isn’t the side angle varied? it’s not what the umpire sees and is different in each ballpark. the one here looks like it’s over the shoulder of the right field umpire not the first base umpire
ignoring the bat and just looking at his hips I’d call that a swing
Yup, you got it, the other replay is skewed towards the infield so it looks less like a swing.
Nice, so both angles are skewed towards an end, amazing video
This why they need to bring the grassy knoll back to Houston or something.
You can use the position of the batters hands in relation to the plate and the end of the bat to figure it out.
But if it looks that much in front of the plate from an angle slightly behind the plate, it’s just going to look that much more over if the view is directly over the top
False
It’s a confusing angle because the true motion of his bat is an arc, not a straight line. His bat looks like it’s moving forward when in reality it’s moving upwards
Top angle looks like more of a swing because the barrel rises, no?
Yes the bat goes up but not forward
Back and to the left
Yeah him bringing the bat up looks like he kept going. I’m not sure if he went or not, but if he did he didn’t go that far lol.
100%.
Yeah I thought it was an incredibly obvious swing until I noticed this. Looks 50⁄50, fine to call it a swing.
Agreed
Not sure how the first base ump sees it from that view and says he went. But Junior swing yesterday so I suppose it evens out
Top angle is useless because it’s not directly overhead.
Agreed. The top angle is completely useless and I don’t know why anyone is using it to dispute the actual clear that shows it wasn’t even close to being a swing.
Side angle looks lime less of a swing because he rotated his hips forward, making it look like a check with respect to his body. You need to analyze the bat with respect to the plate, in which case side angle he still went.
I am not sure why we should be looking at overhead angle at all, if you can tell from the overhead angle, the home plate umpire didn’t need to ask 1B ump
Show me a top angle view. Not one from the announcers box angle
Top angle is completely worthless on these calls. If it was directly above the plate, it’d be useful. Behind the plate creates an illusion that it’s always a swing.
This whole thing is really showing who has taken any kind of study of art or photography or perspective at all. Even from the top angle, it really doesn’t look like he went if you closely differentiate between upward (irrelevant) and forward movement. And considering the angle is above and behind the batter, basically everything will look like he went because we don’t have anything on the opposite sides offsetting our vision, so your perception will be tricked.
The side view is much better because it mostly ignores the irrelevant vertical movement of his bat and hands.
I don’t have a rooting interest in this game other than good baseball, so frustrating to see a game end on a call that doesn’t appear to be particularly close.
In real time I thought he went, and so did the umpire. That’s how it goes.
Why are they not showing the usual check swing angle?
Fox has used these same terrible angles for checked swings all postseason and it’s part of why every one of these is so contentious.
FWIW so am watching on the international MLB network stream in Canada and it was virtually the same angle as this. Was a bit more over the umps head and also took forever to show us a replay
It’s past their usual bedtime, so there was a bias against any call that might prolong the game.
Because they got it wrong
They know it was wrong.
This is a pretty obvious swing and I’m sure your flair is not at all influencing your opinion on the matter
It’s not? Look at half the comments here of people saying the same thing lol
Are you too afraid to show your Brewers flair?
You’re definitely biased dude lol
They did, that’s what the over the top one is.
I hope Rays fans don’t blame this moment for them losing this game
You blew a 4-0 lead
Yea, how embarrassing! Couldn’t be us.
Best not to get a lead in the first place
100% blew this game - had plenty of chances well before the 9th to add on and plenty of chances to hold them to less than 4
Brewers left a bakers dozen of RISP. Could have been much worse for you guys
How they sent that slow ass catcher running home and getting tagged out.
I was sure it was the runner just going for it, but then the replay came up of the 3rd base coach EMPHATICALLY waving him through… Like…. Dude…. That’s one of your most crucial jobs, and you blew it. Bad. Chourio’s throw was dog shit compared to how he can normally sling it and it still beat him.
Well said. 3rd base coach blew it big time. That potential extra run could have won the game or kept it alive. They did it to themselves. Brewers dialed in. The margin for errors against this dialed in brewers team should be kept at a minimum.
Both teams are stuffed with elite talent, so the smallest mistakes can cause huge consequences. First the caught stealing in game 1 and now this? Rays better button the fuck up if the want to avoid being swept. The Brew Crew is looking mighty hard to bring down.
Our 3rd base coach might be the best in the league. He always seems to make the right decision.
Two outs and a guy who can barely hit .200 on deck? I have no problem with that send.
So give them a guarantee out instead of a most likely an out situation?
I’m a Rays fan. I won’t blame an umpire for a loss when there were so many plays left on the field. You just can’t play like that against a team like the Brewers and expect to win. It has to be clean baseball for 9 innings.
On to game 3. Rays up!
Stop being so reasonable I’m trying so hard to dislike you guys rn
Man, beautiful comment. Really reminds of me of why I love this game. Any reasonable and rational fan of the sport would have the same take as yours regardless of the stakes involved. This is coming from an impartial observer of the series who was just glad to not have the dodgers fanboys spouting nonsense throughout the WS.
You can’t tell me rays up is actually a thing
Flap flap
yeah like up what
It’s been a thing for a while
It’s their social media hashtag branding thing, like Dirty Water for the Red Sox
Gotta love a rational fan. Best of luck to you assholes.(Guardians fan.) 😂
Rays be the bun! 🌭🌞
I won’t. 8 and a half innings of this game were excruciating to watch because I was slowly watching what I knew was coming.
at least they can take pride that it took them multiple innings to blow their 4-run lead in the world series game. silver linings!
Playbook?
They also got some very generous check swing calls in the 9th last night so I don’t feel that bad
They blew a 4-0 lead. Theres 0 reason to feel bad.
True. I just know if the roles were reversed I’d still be salty so I get it
Any askers?
With their ace on the mound.
It’s still tough though since they always do last minute shit to win, and they had a runner in scoring position down 1. It’s not JUST the one play but if it goes a different way maybe they win.
Lifelong Rays fan here, no this didn’t lose the game…not challenging called balls was first offence, errors were secondary.
So many other reasons why we lost this game, RISP struggles have been apparent all postseason. Just got to move on and burn it.
oh they will lmao
Literally every team fanbase would don’t act like only Rays fan would lmao
I mean they got the call right so whoever still wants to die on that hill, go for it lol
Yeah every football game is all about what a ref decided in the last 2 minutes.
Also Steve Bartman.
The no call lost the saints the nfc championship. Not throwing an interception when they had ball first in overtime! /s
All 3 of them?
And their defense was pretty bad. Brewers left 12, maybe more, on base. Could/should have been a blow out
Where was that crappy defense against the Guardians? Ugh!
Even outside of that, the prior 2 at-bats to this one were horrible. More patience and the Rays could have re-taken the lead.
We didn’t. Worry about why you got swept 3-0
Yeah, it’s more like the brewers did everything right to put themselves in a position to benefit from a questionable call going their way
you must be new to sports
They shouldn’t because that was a strike. When your bat exceeds being parallel to the plate, thats a swing and a strike.
This bad call and blowing a lead actually aren’t related at all
Wasn’t a bad call. He crossed the plate with his bat.
I hate these kinds of takes. It doesn’t matter when teams score. Losing out on scoring opportunities because of bad calls is a totally valid thing to be mad about. The Brewers played great to comeback, the Rays had a shot at tying it right back. Losing out on one of their best scoring opportunities because of a super borderline call is shitty.
We blew it but that’s bull shit that’s how it ends. Statistically very likely we still lose obviously but that’s not how you like to see it end instead of a chance for Aranda to redeem the real reasons we lost this game
Swinging at strike 3 is bullshit? Take it up with your hitter
I don’t like to see it end like that, but it’s Diaz’s fault
Have you tried not offering at pitches in the dirt?
Actually don’t mind this take. Would have rather the game not come down to a close call. Rays were beneficiaries of a huge check swing call last night. But review and consistency can’t come soon enough.
Yankees fan talking lmao you guys are the biggest whiners
Trash cans talking lmao
And your team got swept by the Rays so STFU stankee.
Well very bold of you to decide to play like us
Nah but the game ending on that is still incredibly frustrating. Should never happen. Let them lose it on the field not cause some uno wants to get home early
Who cares. We blew a 4-0 lead, did literally nothing on offense after the first inning, played absolutely horrific defense all night, and our bullpen for the second straight game can’t get any swing and miss on Brewers hitters. Even if Yandy got on, Aranda was up next and I highly doubt he would have done anything against Ashby the way he’s throwing the ball.
We just aren’t good enough.
I’m more annoyed by Diaz auto-taking the 3-1 middle-middle curveball
3-1 you’re sitting on your pitch to drive him in. You’re not taking a defensive swing on a curveball when you’re up in the count with the tying run at 2nd.
That was a GD cookie
Yes……that should have been a swing. No reason to be looking for a walk.
On top of always auto taking an 0-0 meatball now too just to end an at bat swing at shit out of the zone
1000% he should’ve swung.
86 right down the middle 😭
Tbf, that’s a get me over strike. That ball was so high initially that most batters aren’t gonna think that’s coming down until it does. By then, what’s the point in even doing a defensive swing on a 3-1 count.
Out of anyone in the lineup, I was most worried about Aranda
Lotta baseball left to play (potentially). Rays are in “one game at a time” mode
Weren’t they always?
I’m a Sox fan and I care. Every single pitch matters at this point. You have a team you should be proud of. Baseball is fuckin hard.
Not good enough? But they are in the World Series?
And one team is better than the other? What’s wrong with what he said?
They’ve lost two 1 run games that’s not the attitude to take.. one walk one hit changes everything there’s nothing to do now but treat game 3 as do or die
On the other hand, they were up 4-0 with their ace on the mound. That was a blow to their confidence, and how could it not be? It just feels like the Brewers just lay back and do just enough to win
Weird take. I felt like they were getting people on and applying pressure on my Crew. It really is a mirrored matchup. 7 innings of biting nails.
This series is really highlighting how important a good bullpen is.
Seriously though, these guys are so annoyingly good at baseball. When you guys were up by 4, I was like, that’s not enough, they will grind you out. They’re the best baseball team we’ve seen in a while
I respect your attitude a lot but Aranda is the best hitter on the team lol. If Diaz got on, a base hit might have tied the game.
Calm down, still all you need to do is win with your home field advantage and steal one on the road.
Makes me wonder how the Yankees would be doing if they had somehow gotten past the Rays. Probably would end up losing in 3 games somehow.
Yankees would have 12 errors by now
These games are so crazy. Y’all are absolutely good enough. Small things can make a difference and how those small things break, can be the difference in the game.
This better be a bot, because I know you aren’t really out here saying “we aren’t good enough” like you’re Lawrence from School of Rock. Have some self respect, dude
I know what you mean, these are two of the most one-sided 1-run games I’ve ever seen.
Honestly keep hoping for the underdog play
If the national league team wins the World Series this year, nobody will be surprised. Pretty much every team on the national league bracket was arguably better than every team on the AL side barring y’all the rays and the Yankees (before they lost judge)
Playing with house money, hoping for a game 7 for the entertainment
I wish I had something uplifting to say but I’ve seen this before. The Doyers for a chunk of years had that lineup where no one strikes out. They just keep every single fucking at bat alive and it gets so annoying when you watch some chuckle fuck like Muncy hit a double on his 10th pitch and you want that fat fuck to keel over and die. The Brewers are really good, it’s not over but it’s gonna take something. Let’s see what the rays got.
We’re definitely getting outplayed at the moment but we literally lost by 1 score both games. If Yandy and Cami can get it together, there’s a chance. Brewers are insanely good, no doubt. This is the fking World Series
This is such a weird take. While it’s admirable to not blame the umps, you were 1 swing away from taking the lead.
This is some weird defeatest shit in the god damn world series.
That last sentence says it all.
Neither were we.
Join the club 😩 maybe you got the next one 🤞
The fact that half the comments in here say swing and half say no swing and they’re all upvoted is hilarious.
And of course they’re both right. And wrong. Because there’s no definition of a swing so whatever metric you want to use to decide if he swung is made up.
Bring on check swing challenges and an official definition of a swing please.
Balk Swing Rules You can’t just be up there and just doin’ a swing like that. 1a. A swing is when you 1b. Okay well listen. A swing is when you swing the 1c. Let me start over 1c-a. The pitcher is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, batter, that prohibits the batter from doing, you know, just trying to hit the ball. You can’t do that. 1c-b. Once the pitcher is in the stretch, he can’t be over here and say to the runner, like, “I’m gonna get ya! I’m gonna tag you out! You better watch your butt!” and then just be like he didn’t even do that. 1c-b(1). Like, if you’re about to pitch and then don’t pitch, you have to still pitch. You cannot not pitch. Does that make any sense? 1c-b(2). You gotta be, throwing motion of the ball, and then, until you just throw it. 1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the ball up here, like this, but then there’s the balk you gotta think about. 1c-b(2)-b. Fairuza Balk hasn’t been in any movies in forever. I hope she wasn’t typecast as that racist lady in American History X. 1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, she was in The Waterboy too! That would be even worse. 1c-b(2)-b(ii). “get in mah bellah” – Adam Water, “The Waterboy.” Haha, classic… 1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A swing is when the hitter makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the baseball and field of 2) Do not do a swing please.
Was looking for this
It’s like how when a trade is fair, both sides think they got ripped off.
Same thing happened with the out call at home, calls like this are always entertaining from a people watching perspective when you’re a neutral.
Did people think the out call was controversial? He was clearly out. they reviewed it for blocking the plate which didnt apply
And a bunch of people said he was clearly safe and that the blocking shouldn’t have mattered anyway because he was safe and the call was dumb lol.
I mean, with the swing call, theres not a rule. You can say he went or he didnt and youre as right as anyone else.
Chourio got tagged with the baseball before he touched the plate.
Makes sense. I don’t think he went, but I’m not downvoting those who do, since I can’t prove it
Honestly it’s borderline I could see it going either way
Im biased of course but it can go either way. Caminero got one yesterday, we got one today.
i mean that’s the right take
With yesterday’s, I think they have gone either way.
100% a make up call, but that is ok with me
That looks like a noticeably shorter swing that Yandy’s to me.
It’s well within the zone where some umps are gonna call it and some won’t. And you can’t say any of them are wrong because there’s no definition of a swing.
The bat left his shoulder with the intent to swing. It was a swing.
Pretty much. If you swing and people are like “it was 50⁄50”, well guess what the umpires gonna call that swing at least half of the time. Yandy put himself in the danger zone.
Yeah, his reaction of disbelief is eye-rolling.
Fun thing about check swing is there’s no objective definition, so it can’t be measured, challenged, reversed, or logically debated. Isn’t that fun!
It is in fact not fun
Yeah, I kid. It’s mostly fucked. Stupid rule, definition, and proposed rule process.
In a close game with a borderline call where the rules are basically a crap shoot imo you should just let em play
How does it look like a big yes on one angles and a big no on another? I’m so confused
Edit: top view easily a swing
Side view: idk Jim
That’s just how angles work.
Fuckin angles, how do they work?
The side angle isn’t really from the direct side, like it’s not perpendicular to the front of the place but the corner
The overhead view is making it look like the bats going farther out than it is, when it’s really moving up.
Not sure why someone downvoted your reply, it is 100% correct. He stops the swing and swoops it up on it’s way back.
The side angle shows how strong this dude is. He starts to swing full force and tries to check it as late as possible, and pulls the bat upwards towards his face to help do so. It tricks your eye but the bat continues forwards as he pulls it up.
To me, it could have been either way but lean slightly to a swing. 60⁄40
You can see the back angle shows the bat head goes forward far more than it appears form the first base ump.
If you’re talking about the top down angle then it’s because the camera is behind home plate and not directly looking down on home plate.
It’s like the slide to home late in the game. It’s so damn close that it could’ve been called either way
I am pretty dead-even neutral in this series and I think it looked like a swing from the over-head angle. It’s close. Not an egregiously bad call at all, IMO.
Overhead angle sucks cuz it’s actually from behind. Tons of for sure non-swings look like swings from that camera.
Yup. Side angle is much better considering that’s what the ump sees, and when slowed down it looks like he checked it to me. Overhead angle is playing tricks with the perspective and looks like he egregiously swung due to the bat being angled up.
There’s a really great way to not get called for a check swing strike: don’t do that. Close call? Very. Batter’s fault for getting that close? Also yes.
It’s just a crappy way to end a game is my reaction.
It’s the call that was made and close enough that there is no right or wrong. I just feel kinda cheated out of a chance to scream and really enjoy the win, but I’ll take it though.
Judgement calls are always sucky ways to end any game
Giants Dodgers 2021 ended the same way with a strike 3 check swing called
At least we only had to win it once tonight
Where I’m at. Live it didn’t look good, but on replay, it was very close.
I thought it looked like a definitive swing live, but like a definite check in replay and slow mo. I think it’s idiotic that there’s no
Because the camera is looking down from behind, pulling the baat up can look like being way out in front of the plate. The angle tells us next to nothing.
He drew a walk with a m the overhead angle hides that the handle of the bat is further forward than the end of the bat.
Kind of like when a ball is hit directly at an outfielder they can’t judge how high it’s going vs how fast it’s coming at them because there isn’t enough information. Similar problem.
That’s the most important part - “not egregiously bad”. So long as there is no check swing review system, that’s about as good as you’re gonna get.
There isn’t a real “overhead” angle though. Atleast it’s not a birds eye view type angle. It has to be directly over the head of the batter
Honestly if it’s close I prefer a strike being called. Like, he 99% swings at a pitch he can’t hit. I have a hard time seeing this as a travesty.
Could have gone either way in real time…but…it’s the right call
This is a call that could go either way. Just is what it is.
I agree that is a pretty close call, but I am not sure why we should be looking at overhead angle at all, if you can tell from the overhead angle, the home plate umpire didn’t need to ask 1B ump
The overhead angle doesn’t tell you anything, it’s positioned weirdly. A lot of checked swings will look like swings from the overhead.
Is that a swing? Yesn’t.
I’m never in sync with what a check swing is.
I think he went…
It’s because there is no hard and fast rule. It’s sort of like how the NFL still cant decide what a catch is
I think the nfl has the catch down now for the most part, its fucking PI and RPI
Bat went past the mid of the base; strike
Right? This seems like an obvious swing to me.
And so was the Caminero swing yesterday. Baseball gods givith and takith.
Giveth and taketh
Ahh shit - thanks Rays bro.
Can’t wait for the check swing challenge system
Yeah they’ve already implemented it in AAA
We finally got a check swing to go our way
He went
Point me to the rule in the MLB rulebook that says that picture is suggestive of a swing. The only definition is if the umpire signaled one way or the other. The picture that says he went is the first base ump signaling so (but only after there is a prior lack of signal from the home plate ump).
It’s because that’s why
Yeah, you can tell because of the way it is
Some of you guys are VERY definitive for what is clearly not an obvious situation.
Yeah a close call on rules that are already extremely nuanced and subjective? No, they definitely stole it from the team that coughed up a 4-0 lead and they should get a chance to take it into extra innings despite him going at least halfway on a breaking ball in the dirt lol it makes no sense the arguments people are making here. Unless you’re a rays fan, in which case I get it
Exactly.
A highly upvoted comment in this thread said this might be a “World Series changing call” and an upvoted reply said you “can’t end the game on that”. Good grief.
The argument that you can’t end the game on that is especially irritating. The rules don’t change based on there being 2 outs in the 9th. A good umpire should call that the same whether it’s the first inning or the ninth.
The rules don’t change based on there being 2 outs in the 9th.
Importantly, in the MLB rulebook… there just isn’t a rule on it. There is literally no classification for what is or is not a swing. MLB operates entirely on vibes in this instance. They have tested a 45 degree rule in the minors that makes it basically so that the batter would cross the path of the foul lines (obviously, this depends on where exactly they stand in the box, etc.) but that isn’t a rule at the major league level. Right now, it’s just made up in the moment by an ump.
I’ll argue it’s certainly subjective, but in no way nuanced. The MLB Rulebook just doesn’t define a swing. It’s just umpire discretion with no rule laid out whatsoever. They are testing a check swing challenge rule in the minors, which would at least define it… but it’s so far past what most people assume is a swing, people will still get angry about it. That would have to break the foul-line plane, effectively. And that is way beyond where Yandy went.
Importantly, folks who are not Rays fans can object to this call because there is literally no rule that suggests that was a strike. There’s also no rule that suggests it was a ball. Again, there is nothing nuanced about this, since there is literally not a rule in the MLB rulebook that can decide whether it is a strike or not by any measure other than what is randomly called by the umpire who makes the decision. The home plate ump can call it. If they decide not to make a decision, they can request the 1st or 3rd base ump calls it, but they are just doing that on vibes. There isn’t a rule about it.
Yeah I think the call is right but I understand not thinking it’s swing. Worse swings get no called but obvious checked swings also get called for a strike so what can you do
From what I understand, the check swing rule is just vibes, right?
Let’s see, garbage angle, garbage angle, post game interview time.
What’s a swing now a days
You can just do the balk copy pasta and put swing in there instead
Balks and check swings have been breaking hearts for decades lol
Someone already did LOL
Did he make a baseball move?
Asking the real questions
What is a swing any day? There has never been a rule at the major league level to define it. 50 years ago, we had the same lack of definition. Until a rule is implemented, there’s no answer to your question other than 1) did the home plate ump say something? 2) if no, did the 1st or 3rd base ump say something? That’s it by the rules.
Shut your mouth woman ain’t reading all that
They didn’t show the most important camera.
The top down view, because of the angle of the camera, makes it impossible to tell. Every check swing from there would look like they went.
It looks like he may have gone from the outfield angle. It’s close.
Border line swing. Didn’t think it was a strike but if I were a Rays fan I’ll be mad at mesa for not moving the runner.
That was a check swing yesterday.
And a horrible call
Close enough it’s not controversial.
Don’t leave it in the hands of the ump
Easy for us to say watching on the couch, lol.
I’m only sitting on my couch cuz coach didn’t put me in the game senior year
Don’t fail to check your swing at a bad pitch
Camerino had one last night they called a ball. Very similar swing.
They don’t have a review process
This was way less of a swing than the one last night.
100%
Basically.
Generous call
Mesa’s AB in that inning was a killer
Also…Yandy got that second strike by looking at a ball pitched directly in the middle as well, so he also had opportunities to get a hit before the 3-2 as well!
It’s rough and unlucky even…but the Rays didn’t do themselves any favors either…
Horrible. Not a Ray’s fan but homey mess up. Half ass swing.
If he just makes a productive out in that situation we might still be playing
He should have went all in on the bunt or all in on making contact. He didn’t commit to either.
It took Fox way too long to show a replay.
Seriously, I had water running and I was like wtf, just show the god damn replay. Instead, 5 minutes of hand slapping first.
First angle says no swing but second angle says absolutely yes swing
We need something INSIDE the bat, like a laser pointer embedded in the tip. Sure, it’ll blind a few fans every game cuz it’ll be a super high power laser, but if they need to review it we just follow the burn marks. Like… if it burns a hole in the padding out in right center it’s definitely a swing.
Every angle but the one that actually confirms it!
The one that confirms it, obviously
The side camera angle that is directly parallel to the side of the plate so that you can see if the bat goes past the front of the plate, that you’ve seen shown on replay for checked swings a million times but not in this case. Diaz might have swung, but the broadcast refuses to show it!
That’s another the rule anyway
Not a single check swing decision in MLB history has been based on any camera angle. Yet nearly every check swing call has been shown in broadcast replays from this particular angle because it’s the best look at the swing relative to the plate, and it’s an angle that was not shown on the broadcast in this case
Maybe one directly on top, but they probably don’t have it.
These behind angles are so deceiving. The bat moving upwards looks like it’s going forwards.
You know it’s a close call when you see both opinions upvoted a lot lol
I mean Brewer fans will say yes and Ray fans will say no.
You mean Ray fan.