The fans emulating the media coverage is a huge problem. Hell, a lot of the old heads are toxic as hell too. I dont get it at all. Other professional sports coverage is not like this and Im not sure how it became acceptable for NBA coverage to be so damn toxic.

Hell, other basketball coverage isn’t anything like this, just the NBA.

its not just basketball and its not just reddit, its social media as a whole and every single topic. definitely exhausting. and I’m not going to lie its easy to find myself falling into it too, as it just surrounds us, easy to find myself typing something snarky for no reason and having to be like, wait a sec (nor not even noticing and just pressing send).

Its likely all bots bro, system of ruling by division

Its everything.

Ray Allen had a perfect career for the tier of superstar he was honestly. Hitting one of the greatest shots of all time was a perfect cap to his decorated career.

On the opposite end, you have players like Melo on the Thunder who just couldn’t accept he was no longer a game breaking scoring threat that shaped games. His pride wouldn’t allow him to come off the bench.

Not very many but it’s better that he accepts his role and excels at that role than it is for him to try to play to the level of his contract. That would be counterproductive.

his pay is an issue for who ever gave him the contract

So PG should not accept his role or play his role because he was traded for Brown? That doesn’t make sense.

Some people like finding targets to blame for stuff they don’t like. Blaming PG for Jaylen being traded is dumb.

I get where they are coming from though. If you have other people saying, we are better with PG instead of JB, I guess it makes sense to dump on PG in response. Not my style to shit on Celtics that way though.

Celtics were not going to pay JB the max contract he is going to ask for next year. It would have crippled the Celtics salary cap. They got the most value they could from the trade.

The 76ers better win this year because the off season drama with JB next summer is not going to be worth it otherwise. Don’t see how the 76ers can give him the max contract without blowing up their future rosters.

Love JB and wish there was a way to keep both him and JT but current salary caps do not allow it to happen. Bad for fans and the NBA to force teams to trade their homegrown stars.

The contract doesn’t determine the role. PG is absolutely not a star, he’s obviously overpaid. But it’s still better that he accept he’s a role player and not try to justify his contract. That’s a recipe for disaster.

No, that’s not what I am saying. I am saying that PG missing time, or the Celtics staff playing it cautious with him, isn’t as big of a blow because we have 6 hungry young wings/guards behind him chomping at the bit to earn minutes. If a freak injury happens it happens and there’s nothing you can do, but we’re better position to only let him play when healthy as possible now that he’s 37.

PG has definitely gotten so much shit over the last few years that the pendulum has swung the other way towards him being underrated.

He’s not an MVP caliber player anymore but he’s still really good.

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Most Celtics fans view him as a walking TPE next off-season

That’s pretty low expectations

This year he’s an expensive role player who will likely be sitting a bunch and allowing our young wings (Hugo, Walsh, Scheierman, and Ron Harper Jr), more playing time to showcase what they can do

When he does play, he’s still a great 3+D player that can play-make and rebound

Brother I just said we gonna be load managing him, my expectations are that he shoots near 40% from three like has his whole career and plays good defense.

He doesn’t need to be a star. Just be another Derrick White type at the 3 spot and the Celtics improve.

All we need him to do is outplay the 16 games from Tatum last season and we will be a top 4 seed.

I can say while not as good as layups someone willing to take tough 2s is still important. I also think of is underrated in the pnr and as a passer as well

I’m expecting PG to play no more than 50-55 games max. Celtics have a fuck ton of young and developing depth they want to get minutes, it’s one of the “benefits” of PG over brown - he’s a lower usage player who will likely need to be load managed and will open up more space for those pieces the team is looking to develop long term.

I don’t think Celtics really even want him for more than 50-some games. They have way too many good young players to keep developing. In 3-4 years George will be gone/retired but guys like Hugo, Walsh, and Scheierman will be core parts of the team.

They mostly just want George healthy for the playoffs.

I view PG’s odds at getting injured around the same as I do JB’s now that he has to share a court with Embiid.

A scary duo is crazy 💀

Thinking the Celtics are a play-in team is just an elite level of not knowing ball lol. They were a top 2 offense and top 4 defense last year, and it was because they were a top offensive rebounding team and a top turnover suppression team, and had a bench that blew other teams benches out. They’re going to be better in all 3 areas this year, Celtics will be a top 4 seed in the east

Bro got his chip this year and we’re still in his head

Sure was after he gave us the belt in the playoffs last year 💀

A+ message boarding. Thanks for the insightful opinion.

It’s just a one year deal. That’s the big difference between him and JBs contract. The money value is the same but only for this year.

Disagree with the first part about brown somewhat.

I can see him being a 1a and being jn mvp conversations. BUT I think ideally you don’t want jaylen as your clear number 1 guy. Great player but for that role he isn’t efficiënt enough and also not good enough as a playmaker imo. If he is your 2nd guy, or 3rd even, his efficiency can improve and he can focus a bit more on defense and at that point his playmaking is great to have.

Brown won’t have that opportunity for a couple more years. Kinda want to see him as the main guy before he turns 35

It’s also that he was coming off a 30 game suspension for the Boston series and was not worn down. He was totally fresh. By the Knicks series he was getting beaten up.

That’s the issue with PG - even if you make it thru the reg season with careful load managing and minimal injury, he’s still not the best version of himself if he hasn’t had a ton of rest.

He doesn’t really need to beat people off the dribble with us. The whole system is about ball movement and creating wide open shots

your grasp on the JB trade circumstance is incredible

It would be hilarious if that was actually why he was traded.

His best season was about as efficient as Paul George last season. 57.3% TS vs 57.0%

The thing about Brown is I don’t think he’d want to go back to being a 2nd option to Tatum, and the threat of hijacking the offense to prove himself is not worth it compared to Paul George who knows his role. Brown did a little of this in the playoffs and part of why we blew it.

Brown is a better player, no question, but the pieces around Tatum fit better as currently constructed. Everybody knows their role. Nobody is going to overextend to try and outshine someone else.

Jaylen Brown the last 3 seasons was consistently a 34-35% 3P shooter off the catch. Paul George has been 45%, 37% and 41% from catch and shoot 3’s the last 3 years. If you’re asking a guy to stand on the wing or in the corner and catch Tatum’s drive and kicks, Paul George just fits that role better.

Brown is infinitely better at creating his own shot, but he’s not really some great passer and this is why he doesn’t make his teammates better and advanced analytics hate him. He’s a great scorer and that absolutely has value, but it’s just really hard to maximize his value unless he’s in a place where he can go 1 on 1 and doesn’t have to dribble into traffic

Brown will thrive in Philly playing around other talent, but it just wasn’t going to work here anymore if he was going to ask for $70M per year on an extension and we couldn’t surround him and Tatum with other talent over the next 3-4 years.

What happens if JB has another negative on off season with a whole new team?

If u watched the playoffs last year he’s exactly what they need

They don’t need another star, there’s a reason their team literally looks amazing without Brown year after year

And i say this as a massive Celtics hater, the only thing is that production for the salary is just a massive overpay but they clearly made the move in mind with Brown’s extension coming up not wanting to pay him all that

That was my view on the trade from the start. Tatum same guy as 2023? they can plug and play the Brown role. Tatum not same guy as 2023? they are in rebuild mode and PG’s contract make sense for that, they got assets out of swapping it for a contract that 2 years from now they would have got nothing out of.

I mean what’s the issue. He literally said in this quote that he wants to be a great role player.

His defense absolutely did not fall off a cliff. You are a dumb dumb person for suggesting this idea after his defense eliminated Jalen Brown from the playoffs.

No it hasn’t. When he’s out there he’s still very good defensively, not the elite defender he was in his prime but extremely effective both on and off ball. 1.7 steals a game, 98th percentile in both steals and deflections per 100 possessions.

Good article where I pulled those stats from goes more in depth. He’s still a good/great defender.

https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/paul-george-still-change-games-100000752.html

Yeah but with a negative +/- so maybe he showed up too much

It’s been well established that the Celtics have been better with Brown on the bench. Can’t commit a bunch of boneheaded turnovers from the bench

Maybe learn some reading comprehension brother lmao

No he said his job was to help Tatum be his best and be in the MVP conversation. He obviously wouldn’t say it’s Tatum team and then immediately follow up with his own mvp shout

The Celtics have Tatum and a whole bunch of guys who are great defenders, great rebounders, and great 3 point shooters.

That’s the Celtics master plan right there. We will see if it works. It looked pretty effective the other day when our scrubs beat the Cavs starters minus harden. Obviously it’s pre season but our game plan worked.

In that system, Jaylen brown doesn’t fit and Paul George does.

I am genuinely curious where your animosity towards Paul George comes from as a Celtics fan. Are we mad at how good he was in the Sixers playoff series last year or mad that we lost JB so taking it out on the guy we traded for?

He was always one of the streakiest players in the league. Even back then, Miami was the only playoff matchup where he wasn’t a bricklayer. That was just a good matchup for Indiana, and a lot of it was their interior size drawing attention away from PG.

How is spending 54 million for Late stage Paul George hurting the team? SMH. If you don’t know I can’t explain it.

He’s played more than 56 games only once in a season since 2019…

It’s Reddit man.

Holding context and nuance is not a forte of this place. There’s a real dearth of critical thinking. Between that and this sub being full of 2k brain rot, it’s easy karma to just say the hyperbolic thing.

Made em say uhhhhhhh

Do you guys even watch this sport? We just saw PG in the celtics sixers series lock up JT and JB and hit 3s

He literally did that last szn when he matched up with Brown and Tatum lol. Watch games next time! PG’s defense literally was one of the key reasons why the Sixers beat the Celtics.

I mean did you watch him play for your own team in the playoffs last year? He was still elite defensively

Tatum has said this exactly. Over 6’10 with shoes.

Actually not steal a living like he has been doing for the past how many seasons.

The score was close, it was the end of the game, and it was Dame. The combination makes it bad defense.

Any other situation, any other player (maybe not Steph), it was acceptable defense.

That’s almost the point tho- PG had to really work for his buckets and generate his own offense. The Celtics generate open 3s and high quality looks more than almost anyone - PG is about to be getting the easiest shots of his career.