I just wanted to craft a talisman, I spent around 40 divs and gave up, and bought something better for 30 divs lol

Maybe not a perfect solution but I think applying a tiered system, like they do with Abyss currency, to more things could help?

That way you could learn how to fracture, whittle, etc on lower level gear with less risk instead of it being an expensive end game only thing

theres not really any risk involved in throwing down some essences and exalts. advanced crafting isnt supposed to be beginner friendly, as its advanced.

Either play SSF or just eat the cost and craft yourself. You can choose how you play the game without being a slave to “efficiency”

Play SSF. Enjoy.

I am legit not sure what the complaint is here. Crafting as a thing will never go away, and crafting very high end items will always be expensive

I guess there’s an inherent expectation that by the time you’ve reached a point where endgame crafting systems really open up to you, you are advanced enough to read the description and have a moderate understanding of how that currency item works. If the complaint is just that there’s too much room for failure, that’s different than suggesting people need ‘practice’ to know what a chaos orb does.

Play ssf. Nobody to trade with so you will use currency as intended and learn overtime how to do stuff.

You can experiment. Nobody is forcing people to google every outcome of every orb. Sure you can save some currency by doing that but that’s not fun. Minmaxing will suck fun out of everything. Relax.

For me, after playing off and on for years, poe2 0.5 was the first time that I felt I had enough currency to mess around and learn some crafting. And it was incredibly fun.

The simulator thing (when it works) on poedb was great help. As were streamers and Reddit folks.

For me, poe2 0.5 was the most fun I ever had in any POE so I have huge hopes for 0.5.5 and 1.0.

Side note: I loved the allflame crafting in poe1 but 3.29 had too many issues for me so I’m back with poe2. :)

Season is ending, best to use all you cash to mess around, practice and learn but yeah, i agree.

There’s an onboarding to crafting? That’s news to me lol.

There’s onboarding for crafting?

When I started doing the temple, I thought it was awesome that some of the rooms gave you the ability to do stuff like corrupt, exalt, or whatever.

I thought, “Awesome! I can play around with this and experiment on stuff without feeling like I’m wasting currency!”

Then I found out later there’s a button where you can just pick up a currency item instead of using the shrine thingy.

I must have wasted a ton of those.

Temple went from a fun place to experiment with stuff to just another currency slog.

This existed in Diablo 3 and everyone fucking hated it. It really cannot be elaborated on without losing a significant portion of the audience. You have to understand that most people that even played this genre during its most popular moments played the most half baked brainless shit like D4 and Lost Ark. Considering GGG has never been able to balance drops or really anything for that matter I’d much rather just get a good piece of gear for less than it takes to pull a fresh rare from 3-6 affixes instead of playing 200 hours to get one piece that’s 2% better in one way than the gear I’m wearing.

Crafting at poe 2 is plain bad, bad, no other explanation… (downvote as much u like.. its a fact)

Its not only poor explained, but its so god damn demanding, with NO outright result…

U can waste 100 divs and your items will still be bad. So some suggestions to take “risks”

• fracture TARGETS a desire roll (u pick, No gamble)
• nulls should be more common

• add an omen to remove all the suffix and one for prefix

• essences should be greater and perfect no less

• omen of gambling should be changed… upgrade the tier of one roll (if op do it at full 6 rolls)

• omen of myth %chance to remove an ability of a unique item and fuse it to an other (i would like to give it to a rare but w/e….

Take risks, give something refreshing 

tryout craftofexile in the meantime

Just look for high tier items and toss T2 currency at them. It really isn’t very difficult to craft this way. Sometimes you get a rare with like 3 or 4 good mods so you T2 exalt it and see what you get. That’s the easy way to go about basic crafting. There’s very little risk in just tossing some currency at a randomly dropped item and hoping for the best.

Omens and abyss stuff is where it becomes more involved/expensive. That takes a bit more out of game research but there isn’t really any way around that. There’s just too much information to parse.

Just play SSF then mate, it forces you to learn to craft.

It’s trying to learn chemistry when I’m a Wendy’s worker. Everything in this game is complicated . I mean idk

Are you trying to craft for yourself, or for profit?

If you are crafting gear for yourself, you can pretty easily craft items that are viable for the end game with very little investment. At a basic level, if you find a piece of gear with 3 to 4 good mods on it (which, happens frequently enough), basically exault (or greater exault) it and desecrate the last mod. That at most is a few exault investment, and there is a good chance that it will be perfectly viable for most content. If you want a little more control, you can use essences/alloys/fluxes to force a specific mod before you desecrate.

Its not really until you are crafting for very specific, 6 perfect T1 mods to min-max your gear (or gear you want to sell) where it starts to get really complicated and expensive. But, for the great majorty of gear out there (i.e. gear that can clear endgame content), there is no reason why you should be using chaos orbs or div orbs or fracturing orbs or anul orbs or any of the omens. A piece of gear with a few T1 and T2 (or even T3) rolls on good mods that will “work” with your bulid is “good enough” until you are trying to clear the hardest content (such as GE’s or 200% deli) and even then, some of the stronger builds can probably still clear the hardest content with sub par gear. But, if you are at that point, realistically you should have the currency to spend so it shouldnt be that big a deal.

Are you talking about using transmutes and augmentation orbs and regalling if you hit something good or are you talking about like some jawbone omen crafting

The solution of what you want is SSF, the “”“”“risk”“”“” is gone because currency has a purpose in crafting and has no value as a trading currency and the shop that trivialiazes gearing is also gone so you need to engage with the game mechanics to get loot

What you want is never going to happen as long as you can just buy the perfect item with the perfect stats in just two clicks

with these days of AI and vibe coding, im surprised nobody has spun up a POE2 crafting simulator, for us newbies to get the hang of it.

Truthfully, even with the increase of currency this season, I still didn’t really do anything with it other than hoard it and buy stuff. It didn’t incentivize me to try and craft, especially after a failed attempt and you see how much you just spent to try.

Last season, while it had its issues, was really awesome with how many exalted and divine tables there were in the temples, especially when you couldn’t take them out as currency. I’d like a system like this that encourages you to try crafting instead of taking the currency out of the table and then hoarding it.

Ok so while i agree, i also disagree. You can definitely experiment crafting during campaign and when you get access to the market. What you need to know is learn affixes works. From that and knowing what each currency do (specially essences), you can start trying out crafts. Dont have currency fear and use them, get some interesting bases from the map and slam essence, exalted, maybe a jawbone for the well of souls. They are all mechanics introduced during the campaign, its up to you to try them out

Btw it all ends up on exalt and pray

The only idea I’ve heard that made sense for this was to introduce lower tier versions of all existing crafting material with a much higher drop rate.

For example, most crafts require you to spam omens of light, whittles, sinestral/dextral annuls, etc. to actually make a targeted gear piece.

With each of those items costing 10div a pop, you just never use them until you’re crafting high end late game gear.

If there was a low tier version of all of these items, then people would be able to “deterministically” craft using the same methods of high end gear, but be locked out of achieving high tiers of modifiers.

No clue what the effect of that would be on the economy or relative player power level, but in theory it makes sense.

Use craftofexile 

There’s literally no risk. You don’t have to risk any good item to learn how crafting materials work on items for the vast majority of currency.

It would be cool if GGG made like a “practice crafting system” where you can find any you want to craft ie rings, neck boots etc and practice different steps to crafting in that area that has no connection to the actual real time game. Like a “sand box” are for crafting items and there’s like any and all currency there so you can make mistakes and get a feel for how crafting can and should be done.

Sry highly disagree. This game in trade league is based around trading. If u dont like it, play SSF. This is path of exile and always was based around trading. I’m not saying that they cannot do something better for crafting, but asking for “i want to play the game and get gear and not earn currency” is like saying “the game is just not for me”. And thats fine. But i really hope this unique thing of Poe will never change in the future because this is what makes Poe special. Making it so trivial that now everyone drops their gear perfectly or every beginner can simply craft nearly BIS items does make this game just boring. We have trivial alternative ARPGs instead of Poe if u like them more thats fine.

I really dont understand how so many people here can agree to take away one of the most important soul pieces of this game. Poe always was a currency grinding game in trade league.

If you have a problem with earning currency to craft better gear path of exile might not be the game for you

GGG had and is having a problem of making systems intuitive. A lot of their mechanic seem fun on the first glance and then you deal with them and you’re confused and frustrated. Crafting is gamba and confusion, Vaal temple is confusion and so on and so forth. They need to hire someone that their whole job is to make them intuitive, else a lot of the player base will not engage with it. This is what Blizzard triumph over GGG, the lore ( cinematics, characters etc. ) and intuitive gameplay, at least of for the most part.

Honestly, the high level crafting in this game is straight horrible and the only bad thing about the game. Thankfully it’s so easy to just buy stuff other people crafted so you don’t really have to interact with it much.

Crafting in this game kinda sucks ass. 0.4 felt not too bad, it was at least straight forward and fairly deterministic to craft weapons. Now everything requires a PhD in the game and a metric fuckton of mats to make anything decent. I don’t know how anyone that joins in 1.0 is going to have any clue on how to make anything.