Turtvaiz

35 | 9 hours ago

After playing Breach in POE1 3.29, I can barely get the purple bar filled in many maps before it destabilizes

How?

Nighantic

20 | 9 hours ago

Breach in poe1 was nerfed last league, for mob density and tree craft. Some maps it’s a bit harder depending on layout and mob density to fill the bar. It was like that at least until 3.29.2, i was done with the league that point

g_bleezy

13 | 9 hours ago

They really jacked it up in 3.29, at least early league. I was not getting consistent fills until red maps. I didn’t like much of anything they did in that league and the retention numbers say I’m not alone. Hideout warriored my way to an uber build in 10 days then bailed.

Hopeful for .5.5

OGking31

4 | 8 hours ago

breach in poe1 is actually garbage and got nerfed to where it’s equivalent of ES recharge being nerfed 4 times

DownToDTF

-4 | 7 hours ago

He’s telling on his subpar POE build

Hey-Its-Azure

-9 | 9 hours ago

My guess is they have trash aoe or trash dps or both

The-Root-Word

17 | 9 hours ago

It was nerfed. I used to get flooded with mobs to kill, now I consider myself lucky if enough spawn to fill the meter. I shouldn’t have to HUNT for mobs.

NatWattanai

2 | 9 hours ago

Nah, PoE 2 Breach is much easier to fill. In Poe 1 I have to Winterblast across 3 screens on Dune to fill the bars.

The-Root-Word

4 | 8 hours ago

Yeah, there is a difference, but mob density is absolutely a big part of it. They nerfed both, which was an overcorrection (if you believe it needed correction that is)

not_old_redditor

15 | 9 hours ago

Almost nailed. The whole genesis tree and manually converting and picking up catalysts off the ground is a ridiculous waste of time, pure filler.

Infinite_Vacation645

3 | 9 hours ago

Converting you can actually ctrl from the stash and is quite quick tbf, but yeah I agree on the picking up part

Infinite_Vacation645

3 | 9 hours ago

Like this: https://youtube.com/shorts/XqsD80c–gI?is=nYWHAQQVF4y_ZOvz

notausername86

5 | 8 hours ago

I disagree. The genesis tree can drop some pretty banger rings and amulets (and belts), and if you tweek your genesis skill tree a little bit you can get some really good crafting mats. I actually like the tree. Ive gotten several rings/amulets that have sold for a couple div a pop from the tree, and I have used several rings ive gotten from the tree (granted, they are not the perfect min-max rings/amu but they are good enough for most end game content)

But I will agree that its not perfect and as I see it the problem is two fold.

One, we dont get enough hiveblood. If I am getting 2-3 wombats (sometimes more) per breach map, I should atleast earn enough hiveblood to convert them. Right now, thats not how it is, so you always have more wombats than you can open (even if running hives and fortresses). It should be the other way around (i.e. you should have left over hiveblood after being able to open all the wombats you could potentially pick up on a single map)

And two, there are not enough genesis tree skill points. They have this big elaborate skill tree for the genesis tree, but you realistically cant take advantage of it (unless, I am really missing something). I understand that they want to force people into making specific choices, which is fine, but I should be given enough skill points that I can fully take advantage of the tree, and right now, you cant. And thats a bummer.

The_Archagent

2 | 7 hours ago

It just feels like needless clicking. Why have wombgifts and hiveblood and drops from the tree when we could just have drops from the breach encounters themselves, only using the tree to influence the drop rates?

notausername86

2 | 7 hours ago

Yea, I see your point. I guess for some it feels like needless clicking. I wouldnt be opposed to an option that you could click once and all the wombats in your inventory get converted into items at once. But I kinda like the slot machine feel to it, especially when a single wombat produces ²⁄₃ good items.

For me personally, I dont mind the clicking. It realistically only takes a few seconds and it doesnt bother me. And, I actually like it better than how it was in 0.4 and 0.3 before the tree (when things like breach rings just dropped in the map).

Honestly, I think GGG has an idea of where they want to take the tree, but its just not there yet. Imo, it feels like we are only getting about 50% out of what the tree could be, but maybe thats intentional to hold some stuff back for 1.0.

nisser512

2 | 5 hours ago

I think the idea is that you’ll trade your excess wombgifts for ones you want. Hiveblood is meant to be the limiting factor.

Lazy-Supermarket5384

2 | 4 hours ago

Because this is GGG and things need to have friction. Not even joking. The amount of forced waiting time, unskippable bullshit, and clunky UX they have across both games is baffling until you realize it’s intended (also doesn’t help they genuinely are awful at UX, or at the very least, extremely understaffed)

Ratb33 [OP]

1 | 3 hours ago

I like the tree as well. Especially with holding down the control key and is clicking on the womb gifts.

The-Root-Word

12 | 9 hours ago

Latest POE1 release they overnerfed Breach. It’s really bad when the unstable breach doesn’t spawn enough mobs to stabilize it. The Hiveblood you get per breach is paltry. I have a ton of gifts I can’t feed to the tree now, and I can’t imagine anyone out there is drowning in so much Hiveblood that they need to buy them. The only real way to get it is through hives, which as a mechanic end up taking longer than juiced maps. I say this as someone who likes breach: there is no way I’m running multiple hives in every map. If I wanted maps to take an hour, I’d run a gimpy build that can’t tackle basic content.

I get they wanted to force the players to test the abyss rework but they didn’t have to kill it dead lol

That’s really why POE2 breaches shine. They haven’t gotten that nerf and hopefully won’t in the future. The whole “click the clasped hands” thing is a little eh when you’re on a timer, but I thoroughly enjoy it regardless.

Ratb33 [OP]

3 | 9 hours ago

yeah, and its made worse depending on the map too. It goes quite fast, but maybe too fast, or not enough monsters to fill the bar spawning fast enough.

The-Root-Word

2 | 9 hours ago

It’s definitely the mob spawn rate. I loved unstable breaches before because it was a chance for AOE builds to shine, but now I end up hunting them down. I automatically resign myself to never completing them on certain tilesets because the requisite mob count is blocked by them spawning in an area I can’t reach or get to in time.

wruffx

1 | 6 hours ago

PoE1 Breach with an atlas tree and scarabs still feels fine. It just went from being one of the best strats by a pretty chunky margin to ‘pretty good’. The experience/hr is also excellent.

The map layout complaint is valid, but at the same time why would you run breach on a map that isn’t Dunes/JV/Beach/etc?

Ylvina | subreddit rules are bad

1 | 8 hours ago

t’s really bad when the unstable breach doesn’t spawn enough mobs to stabilize it.

i’ve heard this multiple times, yet never had any problem in maps with filling the bar. especially not, if you are specced for breach

Beware_the_silent

1 | 7 hours ago

I had a couple of times maybe in lower levels but once I hit red maps I never once had an issue with the bar not filling up.

The-Root-Word

0 | 7 hours ago

It’s the only content I like to spec for and I still struggled with it. It’s not that I can’t fill it ever (that would be hyperbolic) it’s that the league content vastly underperforms since they nerfed it. I shouldn’t even need to spec full breach on the tree just to get it to function. There is no league in the game where you need to spec fully into it in order to get basic functionality out of it. Atlas tree is for getting the most out of league content, not getting the least.

Kaemai

1 | an hour ago

I’m so confused in how people are struggling with filling the bar in maps? Are they playing default attack? In the campaign it can be a problem to fill the bar, but not in maps if you have any clear.

Breach was very OP last patch, its totally fine now, easy to get 20d/hr with cheap scarabs and it can even go to 40+ if you invest xD.

CaptainAgnarr | We that get Baited

3 | 9 hours ago

I like the changes for sure, before I was always stressing about killing as much as possible before the breach closed. BUT, I absolutely hate how slow it expands now. They removed all the “beaches open faster” mods from tablets and the atlas tree, and man once your build is cooking breaches become super super tedious.

ExistingMouse5595

3 | 9 hours ago

Once they rework breach hives the gameplay part would be in a good spot.

Breach hives are just a cancer that ruins maps, breach strongholds are that but worse. They need to be more rewarding to run or at least as good as normal breaches. Easiest solution would be to allow unstable breaches to exist on the same maps that have hives, then farming hives would actually be better than not doing them.

I also wish there was a way to juice breaches even further, like I want 10 breaches on a map not just 3 or 4.

Osteinum

2 | 9 hours ago

Not sure if I agree 100%. Like others have said, it opens very slowly, and since the breach always spawn in the most hidden parts of a map, it’s is a true pain if you have a map like Seepage, or one of the other mazes. There isn’t enough mobs in the breach to help with XP levelling. The rewards for killing everything in the stabilized breach compared to just smack the rares at spawn just isn’t there. You have to have 200%deli on top to make the branch interesting.

Then we could talk about the pointless breach hives before we can finish with describing how bad the breach tree is.

I actually liked the breaches of old better than the current onez. It has tons of potential, but so far it feels unfinished and unpolished. A good idea, executed in a mediocre way

MrSchmellow

2 | 6 hours ago

3.29 unstable breaches feel bugged. I’m pretty sure breach redesign was intended to make it layout independent, and at least in poe2 it is - it will always generate enough monsters to fill the bar regardless of the map. In poe1 it does not work quite like that currently (no one runs closed off maps willingly, but if you happen to do that, you will notice)

On the other hand hives and fortresses are broken in poe2. Hives are generally unwanted (it prevents normal breach from spawning, and gives less blood itself, so it bricks the map), and fortresses are something you’d only begrugingly do on your way to the colony (esh & tul). Fortresses density is also comically low, early in the league it almost didn’t spawn monsters at all

hws_throwaway_fkspez

1 | 7 hours ago

Breach is so boring. If it didn’t have chances for great rings/amulets/catalysts I wouldn’t even interact with it. Regular breaches have barely any mobs and the rares that spawn at the end die immediately when they spawn. Even Vruun gets deleted instantly. Hives are a snooze fest as I sit there and insta-delete everything effortlessly. Fortresses are the same but now with a stupid escape mechanic with routes blocked off. And then you have the invincible Tul and Esh fight if you do damage too fast. Honestly it’s my least favorite mechanic by far.

charkid3

0 | 3 hours ago

I don’t get it .. it seems rather boring mechanic? Like it lasts for a minute maybe. Then move on. What else do I do with it ? Or is that the reason it’s good ? It’s not like ritual where afterward I need to select defer re roll ect

Ratb33 [OP]

1 | 3 hours ago

See and ritual to me, fighting in the tiniest of circles with walls and hills is, to me, unfun. I do like the rerolls and omens though. So I do that cuz I have to.

People like diff things. - humans are strange that way

SlyFisch | when shadow?

0 | 8 hours ago

I am not a big fan of Breach, and honestly I don’t think as many people would run it if it wasn’t the best source of drops in the game

Ratb33 [OP]

2 | 8 hours ago

O have it set only for catalysts. Is this a mistake? Is it a good source of raw currency too? When I did it before soeccing in to catalysts, I’m not sure that , for me, it was noticeably better.

But maybe I moved to catalyst only too soon?

RareSpice42

-2 | 8 hours ago

Ew. Respectfully disagree. Breach fortresses and defense events are my least favorite things about breach now

Ratb33 [OP]

4 | 8 hours ago

Appreciate the kindness. Most aren’t. Haha

Are the fortresses the things in the map that you sort of run through/breakdown the wall of? And they are just thrown into the middle of the map?

Yeah. I can see why the dislike there. It does ruin the flow of those that zoom through maps.

Kelpsie

1 | 8 hours ago

Fortresses are the ones you go inside a separate zone then have to escape at the end. Hives are the ones with the walls in maps.

Ratb33 [OP]

2 | 7 hours ago

Oh. Man. I love the fortresses. Hahha. Sorry. We will agree to disagree here. :)

They nailed Breach in POE2 - soooo good.