Celtics owner Bill Chisholm on the Jaylen Brown trade: “I truly believe we have the best front office in the NBA… But man, as a fan, that was tough. I really needed to be convinced to take the fan passion out of it, because I’m a super fan.”
You know what, that’s such a valid answer lol
Ngl it’s not the worst thing in the world when your owner is also a fan
Also seems like he’s able to be talked down from his fandom which tends to be the issue with involved managers.
Even better, an owner whose a fan that ALSO knows to stay the fuck out of team operations
100%. A lot of the owners that meddle do it because they love the sport. Jerry Jones, Vivek Ranadivé, etc.
Jerry Jones loves one and only one thing: Jerry Jones.
This is young blonde women erasure.
He only loves what they can do for Jerry Jones.
Alright, yeah, that’s fair.
Also Johnny Walker Blue Label
And the number 8.5
Yeah, for sure. I also think Brad will be vindicated, the more I look at it the more I am convinced that was the only move they had. It’s good that he’s a fan and also good that he trusts a proven top 5 front office.
Of course, my cynical question these days is “why couldn’t they just renegotiate and pay him via sponsors”
i think brad’s vindication will extend to the giannis stuff as well. seems like the bucks tried to shop brown around for a three team trade and found the same lukewarm offers for him that the celtics did and decided to move away from boston because of it.
Yeah I agree, everyone thinks including Hugo gets it done but I’m not too sure about that because as you said they were finding the same offers for Brown that the Celtics were
Reporting I saw said we wanted Hugo plus another 1st for 3 total 1sts from Boston, some said we also wanted Scheireman as well.
they certainly did not want to end up with PG, Hugo, and two firsts for Giannis lol
It would’ve been PG, Hugo, and 5 firsts since the Celtics were adding firsts into their own deal for Giannis
oh you’re right, but it would be four firsts then, not five? the Cs offer was JB and 2 so it would PG, Hugo, and four firsts vs 3 firsts and a swap, a second, and Herro Ware Jaquez and Jakucionis.
Well to answer the cynical question, you can’t restructure in the NBA. You can opt out of an option season and sign long term for less money, but what is set is set in stone. And Jaylen has about 3 years and $183M locked in.
They could of course pull a Kawhi for his extension, but that doesn’t help with the next 3 seasons.
That’s a valid point. They were actually forced to play by the “rules” on this one
“Of course, my cynical question these days is “why couldn’t they just renegotiate and pay him via sponsors”
This is gonna be the landscape moving forward for signings and extensions. Clippers fans couldn’t care less because it means they get off scot free and Ballmer will continue to throw his money around with no abandon.
Toronto fans are fine if it means they land kawhi but they’re shortsighted. What happens after? Is a few years of a diminished kawhi worth completely transforming the landscape for the worse? Absolutely dumb.
It’s still a little iffy in that the payoff comes if they can use the flexibility down the road (likely starting next year when PG is an expiring) to get better. There’s always a chance that you create flexibility but you’re not able to take advantage of it.
I think Jaylen gets vindicated before the Celtics but that’s just me
It’s basically the perfect answer. It communicates
It’s delivered well, but if you gave a tenured PR team a weekend to come up with an answer to this question, this is what they’d come up with.
except the guy grew up in mass and probably is a superfan
I’m not saying it’s disingenuous, just that it’s so efficient at communicating a lot of things you’d want to communicate right now that I can’t believe he thought it up on the spot.
Very jealous
Why? You don’t think Kushner loves the Lakers? Or basketball in general?
Especially when he’s also willing to listen to his FO.
More owners should own up and actually speak on behalf of their teams. A lot have been cowardly silent.
As a blazers fan couldn’t agree more dont think our owner even likes basketball or his own team
Or people
I think it’s better than having someone that only sees it for dollar signs . I want someone that understands what the fans want because without the fans the nba doesn’t exist
honestly why I think the eagles are so well run and the sixers are awfully run lol
Josh Kushner is a hoops junkie 😉
Mark Cuban always seemed like a good owner (before the sexual harassment scandal) because he was so passionate about the team’s performance.
Bruh you realize how passive and soft you write lol
“Not gonna lie it’s not the worst thing in the world when…“
Vs
“It’s great when…“
To break down the technical pathology here: Litotes (Double Negatives): Phrasing an affirmative idea through double negatives (“not” + “worst”) creates gratuitous understatement that signals self-doubt. Epistemic Hedging: “Not gonna lie” is a conversational crutch that frames a basic opinion as a confession, instantly signaling an apologetic posture. Prepositional Bloat: “In the world” is a dead-weight prepositional phrase that inflates word count while diluting semantic impact. Stripping away the linguistic armor makes your prose instantly more authoritative.
We’re on an NBA subreddit go teach an english class or something you fuckin weirdo lol
Best answer. He trusts his people. Thats what you want.
…just like Dumont in Dallas. Just saying. And yes i am still bitter.
The difference is they aren’t super fans. They are purely business people.
There’s at least proof of concept with the Boston front office vs Nico
The funniest thing is before that trade Nico looked like an above average GM by trading for Kyrie and PJ Washington, drafting Lively , pivoting quickly after the unsuccessful Grant Williams attempt, like he was never on the same tier as of a Presti or Brad Stevens but I would have had him on par with Tim Connelly, or a Kevin Pritchard
He then ruined everything with that trade
I think the difference here too is that they clearly shopped JB around the league before trading him. The Luka trade, Nico didn’t shop him around because someone else would have given him way more
I would bet at minimum Brad would’ve called about moving JB for Luka
I think the Brad has earned that level of trust due to his results including the title. Nico….no such track record.
I don’t see the trades the same. Yes, Celtics didn’t want to pay Jaylen Brown. But Celtics owner didn’t have a plan of coercing state government to allow casinos.
It can’t be understated how important this is. New owner syndrome is very real. Doesn’t mean he isn’t going to apply the pressure if it doesn’t work. But to have that mentality at the start is incredibly important to the structure of the organization
This is just a PR answer to deflect lol. He gets the final say in this.
Some rare transparency and understanding from a billionaire
The best I can do for you is private equity or sovereign state
Well our owner is private equity he just also happens to be a fan so that’s a plus I guess
Ours is a fan of the clippers lmaoo
Luka for 4th round clipper pick,who says no
Dammit!
People think he’s some PE stooge (he is). But the guy is courtside nearly every game on his feet yelling and clapping like all the other massholes
I thought you were making fun of him for saying “you know” so often in his answer lol
I don’t know if it was a great trade, but at least it’s great spin
such is the nature of the apron life
Should have gotten Dunkin to give him no work munchkins under the table.
Jaylen Brown, now sponsored by Sam Adams ‘Just the Payz IPA’
At least it it was Sam Adams they could have overpaid him to show up on some commercials, or head down to Quincy Market for a few pints once a month for the publicity.
Sam Adams already has their Celtics Pitchman
As a Celtics fan this is exactly how I feel. As much as I despise this trade, this front office has earned my trust.
You’d think that more people would think that way in the region, but outrage culture + 98.5 sports radio listeners think the team and front office are comprised of idiots.
It’s really incredible how dumb parts of our fan base are that they don’t trust the winningest team of the last decade.
Those are the same people who said Brad Stevens got hosed unloading Kemba for Horford.
I feel like you can discount the way the talking heads (radio, TV, podcasters, etc.) feel about things like this. They need to be outraged or at least provocative to get their audience. If every talking head said, “eh, we’ll see, I trust Brad Stevens,” their product would be boring, and we can’t have that.
Ok sure but brad Stevens walked into an AMAZING situation that Danny left for him. I think it’s fair to be skeptical when u trade ur finals mvp and guy who just took Derrick White and a bunch of role players to the 2 seed … All for 2 probably not great 1st round picks and a guy on an extremely high contract given his age and recent production. Second apron concerns? Fine, valid. But was that really the best they could get? And to a conference rival? Idk man.
Maybe ur right to have faith. But i don’t think celtics fans that r pissed r “dumb”.
Here’s some of of /r/bostonceltics reactions to the Sixers trade:
“Did I just witness a great GM end his own career?”
“This will go down as a monumental mistake in Celtics history. What the fuck “
“This is how you know your GM is losing it. He is going to cripple the franchise”
“My favorite part is that we’re creating a huge future threat within our division”
“How is nobody mad that we are making Philly the team with a brighter future than us?”
“THIS IS A TRADE WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN AT THE TRADE DEADLINE.”
“this will go down as a huge mistake”
“I’m living my worst nightmare. Goodnight”
“ANYONE ELSE FEEL LIKE THEY JUST GOT FUCKED?”
”/u/bootum CAN YOU DO LOWLIGHTS FOR A GM?”
“Being pissed about a trade isn’t jumping off the bandwagon. I don’t need to blindly agree with every move the team makes. I think this deal makes us a worse team moving forward… that pisses me off as a fan”
These Sixers fans stopped by to let us know they were pretty happy with the outcome of the trade:
“I dunno, I love this trade”
BTW, these were all reactions to the *earlier Celtics & Sixers trade that happened before the 2017 draft.
“Ainge is a fucking moron for doing this trade, he’s a certifiably trash fucking GM for agreeing to protections on the pics.”
All of this to say, I have as much faith (probably more) in a Celtics FO run by Brad Stevens as I did with Danny Ainge. We’re going to be fine.
Yo can i get some credit for my reply to the one tagging me to do lowlights
No #trustinainge People questioned him trading for Allen. People questioned him trading Garnett and pierce. He knows what he doing. He knows IT is the goat and that to get another pg is foolishness”
No #trustinainge
People questioned him trading for Allen. People questioned him trading Garnett and pierce. He knows what he doing. He knows IT is the goat and that to get another pg is foolishness”
The biggest issue I have with that trade is the fact it helped get Philly Bron, but that’s not at all on Brad.
Not you coming into the chat with evidence hahahah! I respect fans calling out their own team’s fans!!! That’s wassup!!!
The Celtics are still going to be a 50+ win team (unfortunately lol, cause im a Sixers fan) Now, i’m a Jaylen Brown hater, but im not saying that because im a hater. The Celtics have an incredible team and their front office has been ballin
The fan part of me hated seeing brown go. He’s got his warts but he worked to get better every year and for all his statements in the past about feeling like he had to sacrifice his own performance to make him t work in Boston, he did it just about every time. Add in how much effort he made to be in the community and the African American community of Boston specifically - that’s a guy who should be appreciated for all he’s done for the city and team.
I understand the financial side of it. Not that fun
Never mind trust, it’s really not hard to understand if you look at it beyond the court.
It just shows the dichotomy between the average fan who stares at box scores and watches ball go in hoop, and the fans who view the sport holistically like a front office - cap realities, roster flexibility, team building.
Celtics were stuck and could either keep banging their head against the wall with the Jays hoping for the best, or they could set the table to rebuild a whole new roster around Tatum for another 3-5 year run. They (smartly) chose the latter option.
This is an interim year. A year in which I actually think the team is going to be very good and will surprise people, but an interim year nonetheless.
Unfortunately, I agree
like when a show kills off your favorite character instead of having plot armor
Not a Celtics defender by any means but this actually is a really good response to the trade by an owner. Clearly recognizes the cultural impact of the trade while also understanding at the end of the day he’s the owner not the lead executives he pays top dollar to be the best brains in the business. A good owner should be able to trust their people even when their decision doesn’t appease everyone
Yeah, this is exactly the kind of Owner you want as a sports fan. I know he isn’t completely hands off, but trusting in your GM to make decisions and have a final say is a pretty big responsibility to let go of.
How about when the decision is obviously bad?
Maybe we should judge it in about a year.
So how does this trade bode for them if the Sixers win a championship with him?
They would need to win a championship off the back of the draft picks they got for JB
Didnt they already do that with the fultz for tatum trade.
This is the answer. If the Sixers win a championship and the Celtics don’t this trade will look like an all-time stinker. If neither team wins one in the next decade it will be debated. If the Celtics win a championship while Tatum is still on the roster then it won’t matter if the Sixers won one, it would still be a win for them.
Hugo got us 💪
I mean that’s a risk you have to take if you trust your internal analysis and philosophy, right? Stevens has been pretty transparent that he didn’t think they could win another ring with Brown given their current roster and the salary cap rules, so you just have to put blinders on and make your team better.
It’s very possible the Sixers win a ring with the current squad AND the Celtics get better faster. If you run the Celtics you need to focus on doing what you think is best for the Celtics long term, if a rival gets better in the process that’s not ideal but it’s also just something you have to swallow.
Also, it’s hard to have predicted that LeBron would sign with Philly on a minimum, I don’t think the Celtics should have let that small possibility affect their thinking.
This is the right answer. And really it’s not even about “making the team better” in an absolute current sense. It’s about getting you closer to your next championship. If you won’t win another one with JB, then you’re wasting time if you keep him. You’re getting closer to your next ring by moving him now, whether that makes you better or worse today.
I guess the argument would be that we weren’t gonna win with him this year, so who really cares who else wins if it wasn’t gonna be use regardless.
And then I’d would say a point to bring up would be that if Jaylen was good enough to help the Sixers win, then the Celtics should’ve gotten a better trade package. But no one was offering anything better, or else they would’ve taken it.
Why wouldn’t they win with him this year? They were the 2 seed without Tatum. I don’t understand the doomerism coming out of Boston before this trade went down
Because we are trying to make the possession advantage a huge part of our strategy, and JB is one of the most turnover prone high usage players in the league. And he doesn’t really have a skill set that you want from a lower usage wing, compared to say Paul George, who’s a better defender and much better at the C&S.
Because we all watched the last two seasons and knew we werent getting past the 2nd round with this team
Because winning in the regular season doesn’t mean you can win in the playoffs.
I think they absolutely could have had an outside chance at winning it. If they got the same kind of schedule as Jokic’s title or the Celtics last title they were good enough to be a contender. But if you’re looking at probability that number is probably sub 10% chance.
But I think they figured they had to trade Brown now. He would have had a steep statistical decline going back to playing second fiddle to Tatum. They must have felt that if that happened, his huge contract would start to look hard to move. Getting Paul George at least keeps the team afloat this season while giving the Celtics a large expiring contract to work with next season as well as some legitimate draft capital. It puts the Celtics in a position to pluck almost any disgruntled star that pops up next season. They can now match any contract and have a top 6 pick package ready to go.
Now the ball is in Tatum’s court. He will have the biggest usage rate of his career. Last year Brown had a 36% usage rate. In the 65 games Tatum has exceeded 36% usage rate he has averaged 34/9/4. If Tatum has that level of MVP season all of a sudden the Celtics become one of the top destinations for any superstar forcing their way out of their team.
Alternatively they can use PGs salary and picks to bring in two or more elite roleplayers to build around the edges.
They were able to get under the repeater tax and now have a ton of flexibility and have Tatum under control for 4 seasons. Big changes will come next off-season.
I mean win a championship. Wouldn’t be shocked if we were even the one seed this year, but I think we’re still far from a championship team
I guess you could say from a front office perspective, the optics of how successful the other team gets from a transaction should hold little credence for you when making a decision like this. What matters is the positive impact it has on your own team. But fans of course will not be happy
Esp cause JB was traded to the SEVENTY SIXERS. If Brad had sent him to the Jazz or Charlotte and they won a title, I would see it as a win that Jaylen got to win another ring. If he wins one now I will be disgusted
Who cares? I mean from a fan perspective purely it sucks to see a rival win. But the FOs only job is to make Boston win. Whether it’s Philly or Denver or anyone who wins shouldn’t have any real bearing on the Celtics FOs choices
I keep seeing this and imo it changes nothing. As a Celtics fan, sure I don’t want to see the sixers win. However, as a GM, the aim is to make your team win.
The front office view was:
Sixers winning doesn’t change their thought process.
Only an idiot GM would base his roster building and trades around what happens with other teams. The goal is for your team to be as best as possible and compete for championships as soon as possible. Stevens and the FO clearly are in agreement the team as constructed could not win a championship so they had to trade Brown and change his salary into other players who could give them a better shot.
How does this trade bode if the sixers keep not winning and the Celtics get two lottery picks?
Might as well worry about pigs flying.
I didn’t care if the sixers win, I care if the Celtics win. If the Celtics are in a better position to win this year or 5 years from now then I don’t care
Just because the Sixers might win a championship doesn’t mean the Celtics were going to. And Lebron definitely wasn’t joining the Celtics. This trade wasn’t about this year anyway.
Chisolm has been consistent with this since the trade. Putting all of the responsibility on Brad Stevens and saying that Stevens is accountable to him if this doesn’t work out. His answer here makes sense since Stevens did just help bring a championship to Boston.
The celtics look like they’re going for a championship run this year to you?
Look at the 4 last finals teams and the way they play. They look more like the Celtics or the Sixers?
It means nothing, only looks really good for sixers because LeBron is on a minimum
setting up the hindsight already
if the Celtics make great runs over the next few years and the 76ers fizzle out pretty quickly, everyone will suddenly become hindsight experts and pretend like it was always the right move.
if the opposite happens, the same people will self validate and larp like they’re the smartest people in the room on internet forums
Spot on. Definetely gonna be really funny to see people look back on this with rose tinted glasses if that does happen
Now, obviously im rooting for the Sixers, but the Celtics are still gonna be a 50+ win team this year lol
Yeah this trade really will depend on how both teams end up doing in the next 3-5 years. And people will act like they knew all along that either Brown was a bum or that the Celtics got fleeced.
If I were a Celtics fan, unless JB truly pops off this year/playoffs I might be able to handwave it away as the LeBron + Maxey effect, clearly they were already pretty good (hell they already beat the Celtics playing AGAINST Brown)
I don’t think the Sixers were the favorites prior to LeBron signing, so as long as that version of the team didn’t win a chip I think it would have been fine.
Then it would be one championship each?
Sixers are not gonna win a chip so that won’t be a problem lol continuity matters just as much as personnel in this league
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That doesn’t really change how anyone should think about the trade. Did trading JB move the date of the Celtics’ next championship to be sooner or later? If you think this team would not have won a chip with JB for X years, then trading him probably gets you your next chip sooner, which is good. If you think they would probably have won over, it gets you your next chip later, which is bad. What happens with the Sixers, who have a completely different roster, isn’t relevant.
The problem here is LeBron. Yes the Brown trade helped him pick Philly, but that’s a wrench nobody on the Celtics could’ve guaranteed when this trade happened.
Somehow the Celtics are gonna make out of this trade like bandits. They are going to be awesome still and one of the picks they got is going to be a top 3 pick
Just wait until they use the PG contract and all their picks to trade for Jokic next summer
Paul George does get traded for extraordinary things…
If the Sixers can trade for Jaylen Brown and sign LeBron, then why can’t we trade for Jokic and sign Steph and create the saltiest most toxic game threads that have ever existed with Celtics-Sixers featuring LeBron vs Steph, Embiid vs Jokic, and JB vs JT.
Shit, you’re trying to drown the world in poison with that toxicity
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I was actually hoping we’d trade PG for AD and then use AD to trade for Luka
Who’d be dumb enough to trade AD for Luka? Seems unrealistic
Mannn we already got Luka 🇧🇦
shi say luka
Or…Luka…
It’s actually funny that people think they’re in a bad position.
Still waiting for a reasonable argument we will be worse than last year. Assuming Tatum is healthy which I have no reason not to, he will take over the JB role and probably do even better; PG just has to outperform 16 games of Tatum, all the yougins are another year better, PP hitting his prime, White should hopefully be out of his slump, and we added Mitch. We were the 2 seed last year and sure the East is better but I truly dont understand how anyone can argue we will miss the playoffs. We are like a 6th seed at WORST.
Assuming Tatum is healthy which I have no reason not to, he will take over the JB role and probably do even better; PG just has to outperform 16 games of Tatum
This core premise is where I think your optimism differs from others. Tatum played 16 games last year and George played 37. Will they both be healthy for the majority of the season? We’ll see.
That’s fair, but they’ve earned my trust when they sat him out of a Game 7 of a 3-1 choke for what seemed like a pretty minor set back. With one more full offseason with that much attention on the recovery, you simply have to believe he’ll be ok.
which I have no reason not to
Why? He literally just tore his achilles and historically that’s not great. Even if he stays healthy, again historically, there is a pretty decent drop-off in play.
Nobody is saying this team will miss the playoffs but when you’re staying “we won’t be worse than last year” and saying “we are a 6th seed at worst,” I think it’s hard to pinpoint exactly where to put the Celtics when there are a lot of question marks that unfortunately can’t be known until tip-off this season.
The Celtics are a great team. Gurantee they win 50+ this year still
It doesn’t even need to be ‘somehow’, the analytics suggest Brown isn’t worth his contract. If analytics hold value, the Celtics will be proven right. Not impossible to think that almost every advanced stat saying 1 thing could be correct
I mean they’re locked in for 50 wins pretty much. Maybe 55? maybe 48? They’re already in the playoffs. From there it’s a roll of the dice to how soon they have to play Philly or New York.
I still hate the trade but I do understand the money side of it too. Chisholm does seem like a good dude at the end of the day, I think I and every other Celtics fan out there hopes he keeps the private equity nonsense out of the team.
With all the BS going on it really gets easier and easier by the day to appreciate an owner like him. Feels like a dying breed at this point.
I honestly expected Bill to hide behind the front office and not address the trade and the obvious money implications at all, but he has been extremely present through everything so far and has been very candid about the realities of the cap and trying to fit everything together to compete. Again, I still hate trading JB, he’s an incredible player and he did so much for our community in Boston, but it’s easier to swallow with how blunt the owner is being about having to make a difficult decision.
obvious money implications at all,
Repeat second apron isn’t a money implication, it’s a basketball implication.
Yeah, unlike the old CBA, it hurts you with more than financial stuff like exceptions (MLE, BAE), draft picks, etc. It’s brutal.
What’s funny is there is a subsection of Celtics fans that to this day are preaching that the trade was a greedy owner demanding that they trade Brown to pinch pennies
Bill Chisholm doesn’t own the Celtics, he’s just the face of the investor group (largely PE) that owns the Celtics.
If you look at their press conference after the trade, Chisholm was scared shitless while Brad was cool as a cucumber.
It’s obvious who was the driving force behind the trade.
1000%, I don’t know how anyone who watched that thought this was something Bill pushed for lol
Trade will age well for them.
Greg Hill has no chin it’s just neck to mouth. No crappy beard can hide that.
The definition of a slob
Got a great face for radio
Great guy though. Donates to everything
Me when I lie
“I’m not the bad guy. Please don’t write that I’m the bad guy”
I like owners that are also passionate fans. These owners that are just buying teams for an appreciating asset fucking suck
I see you have a Derrick white flair, another believer
Well that’s one way to spin it
It’s a better, more rational argument than “everything i disagree with is spin”
What’s the money side? 1 year less on the deal? Why not just keep the better player and move him next season
It’s a gamble. They are hoping the added flexibility with more picks and expiring money will be able to net them a game changer that Brown + 2 firsts couldn’t. Brad is also very analytically driven, which does favor George over Brown.
In the press conference, they seem to understand it’s a gamble, but I just think they thought it a risk worth taking. They probably also thought Browns value would never be higher.
Idk if I agree with the gamble or the evaluation in Brown losing value, but they have proven time and again to be way smarter than me. We’ll see how next off-season goes
He would expect an extension this summer and the Cs didn’t want to commit to him for another 4-5 years. That was the move.
I think they believed that if they didn’t give him the extension he wouldn’t be 100% motivated sp no chance at a title.
And if they did give him an extension they felt he would basically become untradeable unless he had his best ever season.
I mean he had the best season ever and was still basically untradable (for scraps)
He didn’t.
He had his highest usage rate and best scoring season.
His efficiency was nowhere near his best and his defense was as bad as it’s ever been.
Advanced metrics pretty much all have this as his 4th best season or lower.
The NBA moves so fast that one year is a big deal. Plus they got two potentially really valuable firsts.
Even the most valuable 1st is years away from meaningfully contributing to a title. Wasting Tatum prime
Lol at all the Celtics cope in this thread
The guy is a private equity rat, Ive got no use for his “Fandom” until the team stops cutting key players to dump salary. 2 years straight of cutting the best players on this team.
trading a fan favorite is never easy but that’s exactly why you hire a real front office. boston fans will forgive everything if it leads to another banner
I’d show this to the extremely vocal faction of “private equity” truthers on /r/bostonceltics but I somehow doubt that it would change their minds. Anything to deny that there could possibly be a basketball argument for trading JB and that it was very, very obv a Brad move thru and thru.
How do you do, fellow fans?
Good answer
A leader who listens to people who know better. Magical.
It was a bad trade regardless of how you look at it. Fan or front office brown needed to go but it was a bad trade. The end
They’re really doing a full court press with this spin.
It’s giving “we’re all trying to find the guy who did this” a bit. Supposedly the timeline for the trade was under duress from ownership but now ownership is deferring to management? Ok.
I need my boots if there’s gonna be bullshit everywhere
Trading Jaylen brown isn’t the problem. It’s PG in return
The more time passes and the emotions are taken out, the better this trade looks for everyone. I do believe the Js were good for a while, but neither ultimately had a chance to realize their full potential. You can see the occasional timidness in Tatum’s play over the years and brown looked less comfortable with JT on the floor at times, like he wasn’t allowed to be “the guy”. I fully expect some breakout play from both because JT is the clear 1st option by a considerable margin now and brown gets to both be a mentor (VJ) and mentee (Bron) and his game will elevate more because of it.
But at the end of the day. Knicks in fuckin 5, bums.
Ya I think last year was the first time you could feel the animosity on the court. Jb spent the year playing at an all nba level and getting them a 2 seed. Just for Tatum to come back get his name announced last in the intros and almost immediately have the offense run through him again while jb was standing in the corner.
In My personal opinion if you can only have one it’s Tatum by a wide margin so we’ll see how it goes from here
my thing is who are they gonna get wit pg one they done wit him?
Guess we’ll find out next year. I’d look at teams like Orlando and Houston if they underperform. I’m sure the Celtics will still be interested in Trey Murphy. But a lot can change in a year - who knows what they’ll try to do. The Celtics and most of the league have changed a lot over the past 5 years
Hey guys I’m a super fan
Not a regular fan
A super fan
This was so hard
We’ll see this year, this celtics team should have high expectations. Tatum is back and people and analytics believe PG is just as good if not better than JB.
Liar. He pushed this.
What a way to talk about cost cutting.
Does this guy think we are regarded ? He’s full of it
Y’all are really eating up this bullshit
It was 100% a bad trade. That doesn’t mean that FO can’t still find a way to make things work over the next couple of years. But trading a Finals MVP who’s been playing as well as JB has for this return is objectively a bad trade. You can still trust thay FO will figure something out to help the team move forward without pretending this was a good trade in and of itself
I said it in the Celtics sub, and I’ll say it here — don’t lie to the fans, Bill. This was a purely financial move. Your PE firm is doing exactly what PE firms do, and you’re trying to twist it into some courageous basketball decision.
Cut the bullshit, Bill.
ITS SUCH CAP!
He knows they got fleeced
Once you buy a team you are making money off of the stupidest people alive - fans. The players are all just there to make you money and the fans give it to you. You are no longer a fan if you are an owner.
Stop acting like u wanted him here. U getting under the luxury tax and gutting the roster has been a main staple for the past three years. I don’t believe anything this guy says, if they could land Giannis it’s one thing but to trade him for PG13 is straight up stupid. Especially since they traded him to a team that beat them in the playoffs, just a joke and now they have LeBron cause of that trade. No way he was gonna sign with them so not only did u lose out of Giannis but u also lost out on the potential to sign LeBron
He’s teeing up Brad to be the scapegoat when PG’s expiring nets us nothing , I don’t trust this guy as far as I can throw him.
At least he stayed out of the way, history shows owner involvement doesn’t work
They should’ve just circumvented the cap and kept jb
Celtics will get a no 1 pick from the NBA soon as a reward for sending their guy to help LeBron as agreed upon.