I sure as shit trust Brad Stevens more than this braindead fanbase too.

Who I don’t trust is whoever decided on that background music for that clip.

But yeah, any reasonable fan understands after watching the playoffs vs. the 76ers that the team comp needed to change. The result was the result. It was ugly

The 2024 title team had considerable firepower outside the Jays that’s very hard to reliably replicate under a salary cap:

• Jrue and White were both All Defense. Jrue was the highest paid player on the team. White was still playing on 18 mil a year.
• Porzingis was a 3rd 20 ppg scorer making more than both Tatum and Brown. The team was also deep enough to wait out his return in the playoffs.
• Pritchard and Hauser were making a combined 6 million a year, while contributing 20 ppg at 40% from 3
• Neither Tatum nor Brown were on supermaxes

Jrue and Porzingis are old and gone now. White, Tatum, Brown, and Hauser are either getting paid market value or are overpaid. Only Pritchard is arguably overperforming his contract, and he’ll want to get paid in 2 years as well.

There was no way to recreate the 2024 run with Tatum and Brown making 110 million a year. Brad is essentially hoping a younger, underpaid player steps up while they fiddle around with PG so that they have a ton of cap space to overpay older vets to be 3rd-5th options again.

The Mitchell Robinson signing felt so right. They fixed the team’s biggest problem and still could be under the luxury tax, resetting it completely. They weren’t a top tier contender, but were good enough to win a ring in a lucky year. 

I will never understand why they threw that away, not because of Brown’s contract, but a contract that they hadnt even signed yet. 

I thought they would simply stay under the tax for 1 more year and reset the repeater penalties, then go all in again for the next few years after that. It wouldn’t even have been a “down year” with JT back for the full season

You wanted to pay 2 ball dominant players at the same position 70% of our salary cap?

The Jays had 7 years as this team’s leaders and won 1 championship, in a year when their cheaper salaries allowed the roster to be stacked asf. Like let’s be real this team was not winning a championship while paying both Tatum and Brown that much money. We have 7 years that prove so.

The team would continue to degrade over time. You’d still have 2 players consuming 70% of the cap, meanwhile you have Pritchard as one of the best team-friendly deals in the league coming up for renewal in a couple of years. Some combination of Scheierman, Gonzalez, Queta and Houser would also be victims of the cap.

I couldn’t see a scenario where where both Brown and Tatum stayed and the team became championship caliber. Tatum and Brown are both great players, but they aren’t Jokic, or Wemby. I really thought both players would live out their careers in Boston and they’d never win another championship just because the decision to split the pair and save on cap is a difficult and unpopular one to make. My only disappointment is that the return was so low. Teams like OKC are built on getting lucky in the draft and player development.

That makes 1 of us. Insanity, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Only when they had an actual super team were they able to win a Finals. They should have won at least 3 by now.

I feel yes and no. Overall is that the more talented team? Yes. Is that the right formula to win a championship? I dunno.

Brad thought they were virtually zero even if we would been a better team this year.

It was already a year too late. Jaylen should’ve been traded immediately after Tatum got injured.

Honestly if this is the route they were gonna go they should have done it last year when they shipped out KP and Jrue

We get rid of him a year too late

Unless having that guy on the team in the “year too early” wouldve brought you a ring.

we’re just down bad on vibes and that’s how the court of reddit judges teams

Meaningless

Just like Vegas was right last year huh

Yup they will be fine in the regular season and then be done in the first round.

Vegas has us as top 3 in the conference?? Hang the banner now

Every trade that ever happened was the next possible?

I don’t think the idea is necessarily to flip him . Flip the picks sure wouldn’t be surprised if they extended George to lower the hit next year

If they don’t flip PG, they re-sign him at a late career lower cost, which still gives them more flexibility and a solid 6th man. The great hope of course is that the Clippers have a big downturn and that 2028 pick becomes meaningful, while Hugo & co all show steady improvement..

What 2 steps forward? They have only signed like 1 real free agent and they have barely any assets to trade. They are worse now than if they kept brown and they have nothing to use to improve themselves going forward. It is really bleak.

As many commentators have said, it was the best package available and JB had the highest value he would ever had playing an entire season without JT. Other teams just don’t believe he’s worth the price he’s being paid with what he produces. This is a problem with the CBA and Brad did the best he could. People are out here acting like Brad had all these great offers and then chose the worst. I think he got the best of what was out there and has a strategy for building the team in the future.

I think what’s been lost in this discussion is how valuable that Clippers pick could be down the road. I think this is a move that can’t be fully judged until next offseason when the Celtics will have more flexibility with PG’s contract

You realize instead of having to extend Brown this year to a ridiculous 70 million a year for a second option. We can trade PG next offseason as an expiring. Sure it’s not the best return but I feel it’s a decent return, especially considering the 1st round pick will come from the Clippers and it will probably be a top lottery pick.

Plus it led to LeBron going to Philly. Brad built a title favorite for the 76ers for nothing in return.

The market is what people will pay. Nobody in the league wanted to give up a king’s ransom for Brown. We still managed to get $55M in matching salary and two valuable first rounders.

Jaylen brown value wasn’t high celtics fans keep wanting a better package but no front office was going to give that up for brown

they shopped him around to many teams quite publicly, if there was a team willing to give more, they had a lot of chances to make an offer.

It was the ONLY return.

Jokic the big move maybe 🤔

Apparently in brads mind, only in the short term. Seems like philiys contacts are untenable long term.

It’s even worse because the Sixers getting Jaylen Brown is what inspired LeBron to sign there. We literally lured in the man that killed our hopes and dreams for the whole 2010s. I know he’s old but he can still turn it on in a playoff game and extinguish us with that team. Now Embiid has an actual passing savant to feed him properly again. Maxey and VJ young, fast aggressive guards.

Gonna be honest, y’all pushing it so hard to not be a big deal are no better than the people who only talk about it. The JB trade is a huge deal, let people get it out of their systems. It’s the off season ffs. JB was one of the Jay’s, of course people are hung up on it. They were our homegrown pillars.

Brad does not care if we think he’s the villain. He’s just doing his job, he does not consider us when making deals. As no front office should.

And how do the Celtics build another 23-24 level team (meaning: another absolutely stacked roster) while paying the Jays that much?

Think that’s kinda the point with him saying it’s gonna be rough in the short term.

JT coming back is what messed the team up. I think they get past the sixers in six without JT

Bye

No team in the league was offering a blue chip prospect or more than a couple picks. Jaylen’s value is what it is due to his incoming extension request.

I don’t think you guys grasp how much more they accomplished than majority of Duos in NBA history. 2 finals, 1 chip and 5 Conference finals. It genuinely feels like half of this sub does not acknowledge that all.

But it did work in those 10 years lol. Thats why the statement is so asinine.

you do realize that they are at least still a top five team in the east right? They aren’t gonna stink.