Pablo Torre when asked if he’ll drop an episode(s) on the Los Angeles Lakers and Mark Walter: “I am cursed to live in interesting times.”
Do it please
Expose us Pablo, please.
Us?
You are all Kushners on this cursed day.
Mods, we’re just allowing slurs now?
Silver’s Reddit
Even Used the hard R
can a kushner borrow a french fry
Is a Kushner gonna give it back?
Kushner, you bullshittin’!
I didn’t say Kushner, I said Kushnahhh!
somebody get these beggars Kushners out of here
Unlike Tom Gores, the paragon of virtue.
Speak for yourself!
Expose… himself… to us?
Yeah Brodie das you, everyone knows every fan is responsible for the actions of their ownership
Expose lake nation harder, Pablo.
Calm down Josh Primo
Reminds me of this (famous in Portland) Bud Clark poster.
Yes do it, if it was truly shady, maybe the sale would be rejected by the league
lol Trumps son in laws brother is not going to get his purchase rejected
Maybe there’s a small chance a big scandal will stop the board of governers from approving the sale, but I doubt it considering how much this increases team valuation.
The first sale was just as dubious as the second. No one reason not to approve one if they already okayed the other.
Yeah between this nonsense and the Portland shenanigans the league is absolutely speed running to a total loss of integrity. Shit sucks
Don’t forget Kawhi salary circumventing lmao
Or the Harden Sixers cap circumvention the NBA swept under the rug a few years ago
Or Giannis becoming a shareholder in Kalshi in the midst of his trade speculation
Damn, I just realized that Giannis probably made a killing throwing a bet on signing with Miami lmao
Also likely got huge kickbacks around the deadline when he was teasing a demand only to say he’s staying. That certainly don’t seem like market manipulation at all.
I honestly do get the suspicion, but Giannis has been doing the same thing for years before he had anything to do with Kalshi
He for sure has but I’m just pointing out he’s got even more incentive now to do it. Even if he didn’t necessarily get money directly from this, I’m sure it was encouraged by them. I’m more skeptical of kalshi than Giannis. It’s the same way I feel about any current athlete having deals with the gambling companies now. It’s all sketchy.
He’s my degenerate inside trader now :\
He’s going to do real well in Miami… off court at least
Yo!!! You’re right.
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Gary Trent Jr. and the Bucks doing cap circumvention as well with his obscene new contract.
Give em’ a couple of months to look into that
If you promise to verbally circumvent a rule, but its not written anywhere, and you never go through with it (hence why harden got mad), is there much the league can do there? Basically his word against theres.
Or the simultaneous gambling partnerships and scandals
Pablo is a sixers fan, not sure he would want to dig that up given that Morey is already gone and they’re currently contending for a championship with LeBron.
Oh believe me, as a Timberwolves fan I am paying very close attention to how all that will resolve…and that’s not even to mention the impact of gambling on the league (incessant ads, Malik Beasley/Jontae Porter, etc.)…the league is being run by ghouls lol
Or the grizzlies owner selling tech to Russia to wage war against Ukraine
Don’t forget brickin for chicken. Zero integrity
Adam Silver did want to start modeling the NBA after European soccer
I would say integrity died in America, but it was never there to begin with
Silver realized the league needed to catch up with the rest of Late Stage Capitalism. The Enshitification is real.
no one’s even talking about Gary Trent Jr anymore.
Because who gives a shit? The NBA is investigating, but why does anyone care if a terrible franchise overpaid a bad player?
The amount of pearl clutching in this sub is something else
Because what the Bucks were accused of is also a form of cap circumvention.
Which if they did, punish them. The league is investigating, but in the meantime, why should fans of the NBA care or discuss it? It will have 0.0% relevance on the championship, or even the playoffs next season.
That’s my larger point though, this subreddit has become so disconnected from actual basketball, that instead the entire focus must be on the purity of the league finances.
I just don’t get it.
Also for context this sub is sooo upset the teams are paying the players too much in Trent’s case and paying kawhi thru business deals although he is still taking a max contract with the clippers. Neither helped or allowed the teams to benefit in the court ala paying a player less and allowing the team to sign other players as well with the money saved or skirting the cap ala Brunson potentially
Are you genuinely this stupid? You think neither the Gary Trent situation, or the Kawhi situation, helped the Clippers?
You don’t think that the Clippers being the ONLY team willing to pay Kawhi extra under the table may have influenced his decision to sign with them?
You don’t think Gary Trent taking less on his previous contract, to give his team more financial flexibility, helped his team?
You cannot be this stupid, but I have been surprised by American intelligence a lot recently
Yes it did help getting him to the team but he still took max money!! He didn’t take a lower contract so they could sign other players under the cap - are you this stupid you can’t understand - I don’t give a shit what these players make outside of basketball contract as long as they don’t take minimum deals so an organization can stack a team
Sad to see the downfall of the American education system at play 😢
Adam Silver has no backbone and we keep seeing it over and over.
league already full of gambling.
Right? Under Sterns watch there would NEVER be a veteren ref who was taking money to influence games, and if there was, they’d never, ever call Scott Foster 100 times during the gambling, and if that were to ever hypothetically ever happen, then of COURSE stern would never allow foster to ref another game.
Also could you even imagine Stern overseeing the sale of a teams, like the fine, upstanding Sacramento Kings, to a family of Vegas casino owners tied to the mob? Certainly not.
Yup, this is all definitely brand new
Do you want a sports league or do you want a MONEY MAKING MACHINE 12 BILLION BABY WOOOO
Ya, I do agree this sucks. But go back and look at nba owners of the past, lots of scumbags. I think we’re closer to par for the course than anything, sadly.
This is America
The way it’s going, I genuinely wonder if Sterling would still get “kicked out” today.
Pablo needs a security detail yesterday
He about to have an “accident”.
“Viral internet pundit falls out of window onto 10-12 bullets, ruled an accident”
“Why he decided to lean way out of a window a dozen stories above where we hold target practice with our AK’s every day, I’ll never know.”
[removed]
And burying his own body.
yup in this one he is messing with someone with connections to the federal govt.
“Shouldn’t have wished to live in more interesting times…”
“These boots have seen everything”
“I have a lot on my mind, and well, in it”
“Still breathing… Despite everything.”
wretched thing, pull yourself together!
“Cursed to put my hands on everything.”
“Is that blood?”
Damn, might have to do another run whenever I finally finish rogue trader.
“Wish I had a bag of holding.”
That looks like it will fit in my pack!
BP on the NBA sub wild times
Unexpected but elite crossover
I’ve seen Pablo go on there before.
disapointed they didn’t ask him about his stance on Gaza
Wait until the next episode where you find out Kawhi did some sponsorship videos for Hamas
have you been following this at all? Hamas would have paid him but he wouldn’t do them
I’m afraid that would be based, actually
You are pro Hamas, lol.
They’d probably want him to get dirt on Zelensky considering how anti Ukraine they are
Can’t speak for Saager but Krystal ain’t “anti Ukraine”.
With how often they have John Mearsheimer on their show to talk about Ukraine, without challenging him, I think calling both of them anti Ukraine fits.
Saagar was a Tucker Carlson acolyte (his mentor worked for Carlson) and has pushed cryptofascist rhetoric going back to 2020 around the George Floyd uprisings and supporting the crackdown on protesters, including the secret military police that was abducting protesters. And Ball never pushed back. I wish these two clowns weren’t getting the attention they’ve been getting, but alas.
You are mixing up “anti-Ukraine” with “anti-American taxpayers paying for a war that doesn’t impact us”
We are the reason Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons because we assured them along with Russia at the time that if they did Russia would not invade and they would have security assurances. Funding their self defense seems like a no brainer obligation from us considering that.
I see your point, but we didn’t sign any binding security agreement with them. It’s sucks and I think everyone feels sorry for them and would like them to win.
The point Krystal and Saager make and most Breaking Points fans would agree with is that the $200 billion spent on that conflict could’ve gone to better use here in our country or at least directly supporting our interests.
I think morally we would own a lot of blame for Ukraine losing their country if Russia steamrolled them and tookover, which they would have done if we didnt fund them from the start of the invasion. We worked with them diplomatically to denuclearize, gave the, security assurances against Russia and they complied. Why would any country take us seriously again in future denuclearization discussions if we abandon a country we made security assurances to? Also do you seriously think Putin would stop at Ukraine? When Russia did the same with Georgia and has been knocking the door at doing the same in Poland? Are we just going to let him steam roll these countries until it breaks out in to a way worse international conflict?
Also the percentage of the US budget that we have sent to Ukraine is so small, like 1-2%, that acting as if it is the reason our domestic programs arent better is absurd.
what about the money going to slaughter innocents in gaza?
Do it Pablo. The prospects of our championship in the next 5-10 years just took a massive hit, and we wanna know why.
An expose probably scares away free agents from the Lakers if they think the team is poorly ran. Careful what you ask for
why do you think that?
Mark Walter is the owner of the Dodgers which is notoriously known for being a well run organization with a strong willingness to spend and built up infrastructure. There was a lot of excitement because Dodgers leadership was coming over to help build the foundation for the Lakers. And now we have no idea what the new ownership will entail but I don’t think anyone expects them to be as good as Walter would have been.
Im a lakers and dodgers fan but that’s a lot of assumptions. The dodgers are ran well but the MLB is also a lot different than the NBA we don’t know what Mark Walter would’ve done with the Lakers and we don’t know what this new ownership will do. Could be a disaster for sure but could also work out we don’t know yet
Yeah, it’s funny how NBA reddit thinks that Dundons hockey success has not shot to translate to the NBA, but Walters MLB success will of course transition flawlessly lol
There’s a reason we call him El Cheapo here lol. Dude is literally cutting corners on year 1. That’s not a good sign~
The Kushners are slumlords. They extract wealth. We’re fucked.
The Kushners Venture capital firms are slumlords. They extract wealth. We’re fucked.
I do agree with you though. The problem is just so much bigger than the Kushners alone.
yeah but the nba has a salary cap so theres only so much you can really do when you’re already paying big money to guys like Luka and Reeves. You can’t just sign everyone who wants to live in LA to huge contracts like the Dodgers do. I’m gonna guess your championship hope haven’t changed all that much. Either way, clearly you’re now owned by a group that doesn’t mind spending stupid amounts of money.
I’m sure that Trump will want to rename the Crypto arena to Trump arena, once the deal goes through as well.
Or maybe it’s gonna be the Netanyahu arena, since Kushners are so close with him.
Or maybe it’s Saud Arena, with how much money they funnelled into Josh’s bank accounts.
Long list of war criminals to choose from when your new owner comes in.
Lakers don’t own Crypto numb nuts
Yet.
A new federal investigation is getting opened as we speak.
What? The arena is not owned by either teams..? Last I checked crypto paid for a certain amount of years? Can’t just take that off. Before this it was called staples… where is the info that this was owned by lakers or dodgers to get it renamed?
“Please welcome the newest statue outside of Trump-Crypto Arena, Donald J. Trump himself!”
You know what, with this much PR on the matter other billionaires who didn’t know the Lakers were on sale (again) might be stepping up.
If the Board of Governors votes no to Kushner/Iger, Mark Walters will still be a motivated seller.
Counterpoint: Trump is probably going to make sure the league rigs it so the Lakers win it all next year, all so he can keep the Larry O’Brien trophy in the Oval Office, right next to his FIFA Peace Prize.
God these Pulitzer’s are sooooooo heaaaaavy my arms are so tiiiiiireeeeed.
Dynasty loading.
Oh, my aching hands!
It’s crazy Pablo keeps getting all of these stories by just doing BASIC REPORTING WORK
While existing major outlets just keep shrugging and have seemingly no desire to do the work.
I know the why of wanting to stay on the NBA’s good side, but Christ guys. Buncha bums.
His budget is miniscule compared to major outlets, even sport ones, yet he keeps finding out, when they’re busy providing cover.
Because 90% of the media is owned by right wing at this point they don’t exactly encourage critical thinking
Have you seen what the rest are reporting on? The national AND local papers are all covering the tentacles of the administration. So much so that they aren’t needing to cover sports. And thats not to mention that Pablo is literally partnering with journalism institutions like the NYT and others to do his stuff
They aren’t even reporting tho. Most of them are kissing the ring
ESPN can’t do reporting because they got to pay Mcafee 60 million to hang out with Trump.
Lol didn’t expect Breaking Points anchors on r/NBA at all
Me neither. This is like my two worlds crossing.
Krystal Ball is married to Kyle Kulinski, another political commentator who is also a big NBA fan. I wonder if he had any hand in this, like telling Krystal “hey you should bring Pablo Torre on.”
He’s been on a few times already, Krystal & Saagar know ball
Yeah I went to Youtube to watch the full interview and he was on 9 months ago and again 6 months ago.
“Friend of the show” even.
I just saw them for the first time on Jon Stewart’s weekly show, I liked their vibe for the most part its hard to do what they are doing but as a conservative he doesnt really represent the majority conservative opinion in any meaningful way, maybe when biden was president but not in the face of this shit show. The magas are still deeply entrenched in their bullshit
You should’ve seen him during the election and 2025, he had gone full fascist (not hyperbole)
Ooh thanks for the reminder. I need to unmute him on Twitter. (It was not an enjoyable finals for me).
Life of Pablo
Didnt he tease something Brunson contract with the Knicks like a year ago?
And he has nothing which is why he never followed it up.
Brunson signed to the absolute max he could at the time. There is nothing controversial there.
Forgot about this, but he definitely did.
Cursed as in having something to make money off of.
Suffering from success
His lobster is too buttery and his steak is too juicy.
Adam must hate this guy
We need it
Never thought I’d see Krystal Ball on r/nba
Pablo that 🥷 rn
thats the difference between us and clipper fans lol.
We welcome the investigation, they hate it
so that’s what they meant by street lights over spotlights
clipper fans
what fans lol
Mark Walter’s exit needs to be examined. Very shady.
I’m going out on a limb here and say the most interesting part is Walter’s loan/tax problems and the NBA not doing their due diligence on that stuff last year.
To me, Kushner/Iger simply look well positioned to take advantage of a desperate seller.
“to take advantage of a desperate seller”
It’s so bizzare reddit seems to have a narrative that it was Walter getting taken advantage of. The guy had his majority stake valuation increased 25% in 15 months and personally profits $3.4 billion (across his smaller 2021 stake + the 2025 stake).
I’d get this argument if he sold for an $8b valuation or something, but he didn’t. He just got the highest valuation sale of any sports franchise in the world.
He’s still owing like $10 billion after the sale (I assume that’s what it’d be after taxes). And he’s under federal investigation. He shouldn’t have been allowed to buy the team in the first place, but the NBA either got fooled or didn’t care.
He was on with Krystal and Sagar?? lol didn’t expect that
One of the last journalists
Give the people what we want!
It’s pretty simple. Kush and Iger have friends in the DOJ.
Can you help me understand this logic if it’s so simple?
So Walter is being investigated, but rather than bribing trump via truth social or his crypto or an old airplane or a fancy gold toilet or whatever, he instead has trump’s daughters husbands brother and the former CEO of Disney pay him a 25% markup, which is $3.4b in profit for Walter?
How does this reverse-bribe make any sense? Like id understand if he sold it for say \(8b or whatever, but he didn't, he profited \)3.4b which he’ll use to pay off his other debts.
Please expose my team! Can the city of LA buy the team lol
Reddit: taxpayers paying for multi-purpose stadiums is the worst thing that’s ever happened to society
Also Reddit: let’s have the taxpayers drop $12.5 billion on a basketball team
Huge difference because the city then receives all the profits and can reinvest them.
You can profit off of stadiums…
But also, a city owning a team is an absolutely terrible idea because then the team could never go into the luxury tax, because that generally moves them away from being profitable.
Pablo needs to be put into the witness protection program.
His smoke too much His swag too different They’ll get to him.
Just seen the clippers haters fall to they knees
If the trail leads to dirty donald, you might as well quit snooping because he’ll try to have you arrested or sued, or both.
yes expose the our ownership please
This man will never rest again, will he?
gone are the days where they simply try a pro athete’s weed brand.
It’s starting to sound like some guy managed to finesse his way into owning the Lakers, which is pretty insane. If that wasn’t crazy enough, now it sounds like the guy is buying a literal pardon by selling the team to the Kushners so that he doesn’t find his way into federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison because his house of cards is falling apart and people are realizing this guy that finessed his way into buying the Lakers doesn’t actually have the money he claimed to have.
Im scared for this mans life
Right or wrong this guy is such a douchebag.
Pablo Torre Finds Out (He is Cursed)
One of those three might need a shirt.
Props to him for having the balls to say something. I’m surprised he hasn’t been ‘silenced’ already.
Silenced about what? I really don’t understand the conspiracy in this situation.
At this rate Pablo will need to call up Best Quality Vacuum and ask for a dust filter on a Hoover Max Extract Pressure Pro Model 60.
Getting annoyed at media asking Pablo to report on things these very same media people could do themselves. Cowards.
Walter has been investigated significantly by financial journalists, who are in a whole different tier from pablo
I dont think that one is gonna be good for his health…
Not sure why he’s on their show but alright…
If the BoG truly approves that sale, people should immediately boycott the NBA. I can’t be a Lakers fan anymore if it’s owned by absolute Trump filth and the guy that darkened Disney.
r/nba gonna be big mad when the shade is on mark walters and not the new owners
How safe is it for Pablo to be exposing these powerful men with multi billion dollar resources publicly?
The ego
take it all down, please
Pablo “Adam Curtis” torre
Breaking Points is an incredible show. My favorite is when it’s Ryan and Saagar hosting, people live for the pound.
Im sure they are already working on an episode.
Yes please
This guy is so good at what he does but he is a total egomaniac
I’m starting to come around to Pablo Torre. Initially, I found something about him to be very off-putting, but I can’t hate on the actual journalism.
He’s just going to get a pardon guys
Lmaooo Ish is going to hate this
I welcome this. Sucks, but the truth hurts sometimes.
Rich people fuck around, Pablo Torre finds out
So tired of Pablo Torre already
Someone was feeding him that Kawhi/Ballmer/Clipper info…gonna be a hell of a lot more work on his end to uncover whatever went on with the Lakers Sale.
when will this guy just go the fuck away? KL ain’t hurt nobody he’s all the way out of the way
redditors don’t play about this guy
Cursed as a former lakers dodger fan
This sub really hangs on every word that comes from Pablo’s mouth.