I don’t think any of those guys are bad coaches

i feel like people have been sorta down on nurse for years so it might be him

Rick Carlisle is a great coach. Doc is in a league of his own

Rick Carlisle does NOT belong on that list for sure! There are a few more that are unlikely, but Carlisle could never get a ring again and would still be a top coach to me, maybe even underrated by most.

Budenholzer

his ass was on the hot seat after multiple disappointing postseasons while limiting his starters to 30ish minutes

barely scraped by a Nets team with Kyrie/Harden hurt

probably ty lue imo. won a ring with prime bron carrying him would be the argument against him.

Joe Mazzulla missing from OP’s list. Not saying he’s my vote, just… :|

Mike Brown is a demigod, so no

Also his coaching was too integral to this ring for him to be overrated like Doc. The 08 Celtics played way too many games for how good they were. Knicks dominated the field with Brown making many key decisions to elevate their play

Is Vogel not on the list because he’s properly rated despite having won a ring?

This isn’t a serious sub.

It’ll be between Lue and Nurse, Lue is more likely because his ring came from a 3-1 comeback in the finals against the 73 win Warriors. He’s certainly a good coach but it’ll be interesting to see how he manages this new era of the clippers and how public perception of him might change based on the results

I never got the love for Tyronn Lue.

I think its important to look at how Doc got to that reputation. Most of these guys on the list won a championship fairly recently. If theyre still in the league 20 years from trying to coach the same style and getting frustrated when it doesn’t work….they might have a shot

Maybe Tyronn Lue. CP3 had some slander on him.

Probably the next one to blow a 3-1 lead or 2.

I am a believer in him but I think there is a timeline where Joe Mazzulla has a bunch of really bad playoff losses on his resume

Michael Malone…?

I feel like budenholzer is the most similar to doc out of these guys.

One of the biggest NBA sliding doors moments almost happened in the lockout-shortened 1999 season.

The story goes Peter Holt was ready to fire Gregg Popovich if the Spurs lost their next game against Houston.

Avery Johnson and David Robinson heard about it, called a players-only meeting, and made sure it didn’t happen.

The Spurs beat the Rockets, went on to win the 1999 title, and Pop kept his job.
The craziest part? The rumored replacement was the Spurs’ TV color commentator at the time: Doc Rivers.

Mike Brown has grown into a really good coach. He’ll probably always have a job.

Missing someone

Mike Budenholzer. Milwaukee could have had a much better dynasty if it wasn’t for him. Atrocious defensive schemes and assignments. Poor ball rotation on offense. Milwaukee could have gone to the finals at least 2 more times IMO

I actually think every coach on that list is deserving of the status of: “good” “quality” or “excellent” coach.

People might sleep on Budenholzer a bit, but I dont think you can discount his Atlanta years and longevity of success with the Bucks; usually the reason they didnt advance to more Finals was due to injuries or age/decline (Middleton, Lillard, and Giannis himself one year).

Ty lue.

Bron won him a ring and made a few other finals and thats largely it.

He had a WCF run once and hes been living off that for a while now

Mike Brown unlocked K.A.T’s playmaking in the playoffs and the Knicks entire offense while down a game. He’s elite.

There’s a whole other thing going on with Doc. Former player and media personality failing into a bunch of jobs is more than just getting overrated from 1 ring.

These guys are all much better coaches than him. I mean half of the 10 best coaches in the league are on this list, and honestly you could make a case that aside from Budenholzer you’ve just just flat out listed the top 5 coaches in the game.

FFS, I almost made it through summer without seeing any mention of Glenn Rivers.

If you need me, I’ll be on the phone with my therapist.

By winning% (losing seasons):

Mazzulla: 72.9% (0)

Brown: 69.4% (3)

Bud: 58.9% (3)

Lue: 58.3% (0)

Daignault: 57.1% (3)

Malone: 56.4% (3)

Nurse: 53.9% (2)

Vogel: 53.2% (4)

Carlisle: 52.3% (7)

I guess Nurse?

Have I, at any point, asked myself “How tf did you win that many games with this roster?”

Lue, Nurse, and Malone have never made me ask this

Your last 3 will likely see another before their careers are over.

Budenholzer is not employed right now

Mike Malone. Dude is a bum and a crybaby.

lol Doc is the only bad coach from that whole list.

Vogel can’t even crack the list?

*Glenn Rivers

I’m going outside and saying Larry brown. But because he was before doc rivers it’s not too far. I understand his resume and proteges but losing team USA gold and alienating prime players in the 2000s where USA was stacked makes me say he was the problem

why do basketball fans fixate on this stuff

Considering Vogel and Bud coached our stupid “super team” in back to back years, and Bud did considerably worse, its gotta be Bud. He’s one of those guys that tries to force players into a system, rather than create a system based on the talent he has. Dude’s an idiot. 

Jonathan Clay “JJ” Redick, after Bronny and Reaves lead the Lakers to the title in 2028 after regular season MVP Luka strains an adductor muscle midway through the Western Conference Semifinals series against the Nuggets…

Those guys are all good coaches. Even when they haven’t won titles, their teams are frequently very good. Doc Rivers has repeatedly ran teams into the ground. No other post-title coach compares to him.

So if they don’t win a chip, they are trash. But if they win only 1, they are overrated i guess?

1. Doc Rivers

2. Doc Rivers

3. Doc Rivers

4. Doc Rivers

5. Lue

Hasn’t nurse been on the same trajectory already?

Fuck outta here. These are legends and demigods 

As a Knicks fan I’m biased but what Mike Brown did with the Kings is maybe more impressive than what he did with the Knicks. I think he’s safe.

Doc is not overrated. His record is all you need to see if he is effective. Who is calling in Doc Rivers over their current situation? His record is an albatross around his neck.

It’s going to be Mazulla. He’s got that “fuck you” personality with the media that NBA players love. The only thing that makes them happier than lemon pepper wings in a strip club is telling the media to fuck off even when the media is right. Mazulla’s obsession with taking insane amounts of 3s has cost him multiple series, and he doesn’t really adapt too much. Once he loses superstars on his team, it’ll likely spell his firing. I could see his attitude being welcome elsewhere, even if he never coaches for a championship again

The OKC coach

Doc rivers is a top 20 coach of all time

steve kerr?