[Highlights] Michael Jordan drops 56 points in Game 3 of the first round against Miami, completing the sweep while averaging 45 PPG on 61% shooting without attempting a single three (1992).
88-93 Jordan is the greatest peak stretch ever for a player.
Averaged 35/7/7 on 51/36/83 in 101 games…
… in the PLAYOFFS
He has the highest PER and PPG in playoff history. He’s 3 whole ppg over the next closest person (luka at the moment).
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The thing is that the worst year of that stretch is 93 and that’s easily the best he played in the Finals. The worst year of his peak is better than like every other players best peak year except for like LeBron and Kareem. It’s absurd and even then his 93 Finals destroys any LeBron or Kareem finals. That’s with him being 30 years old and somewhat declining athletically.
Nope. 1991 Finals is MJ’s best finals series by any advanced metric. His 1993 Finals is somewhat inefficient compared to the other series as well as MJ’s defense took a step down and often let Majerle get open.
91 MJ was doing around 31ppg and 12 apg on 56/50/85 and 4.2 stocks per game.
I guess your right. I wasn’t even taking the passing into account
Nothing comes close to 2018 LeBron.
89, 90 Jordan is right there đ€«. An besides 2018 Lebron didn’t defend consistently enough
2018 Bron ain’t even peak Bron. 2013 Bron is the premier 2 way force of his era
Right 2018 Lebron is offensively flawless but defensively it’s amongst his worst seasons. 2013 Lebron gave effort on both ends while also being very efficientÂ
MJ is the GOAT but Shaq has the highest peak ever. Peak Shaq is the most dominant force in league history
Not with his free throw shooting.
The same shaq who couldnât win shit until Kobe became an adult? That shaq?
That’s my GOAT
The GOAT
Too easy
Defense on this clip is practically nonexistent
They guarded him like they guard LeBron, lots of space to shoot. Only difference is MJ had a nice middy
Yes, the only different between LeBron and Jordan is that Jordan âhad a nice middyâ
Eh, I guess. Middy must have meant a lot of it led him to 9 more scoring titles, 2 more rings, a DPOY, and more 1st team defensive selections.
Or⊠hereâs an even crazier thought
Illegal defense was a thing during Jordanâs era, and if you had to only guard LeBron 1 on 1 with zero help defense heâd average 50 on 60% too.
Hand check definitely takes away a ton of Lebrons ability to drive because he doesnât have a great handle and isnât effective without a full head of steam. He would have had to develop more of a post game though so thatâs a wash my guy
Hand checking is one of the lamest, most over exaggerated things from that era.
Not a single person is hand checking a 270lbs LeBron James off of his intended path lmao. ESPECIALLY when theyâre not allowed to send a second defender to contain (because thatâs illegal defense in that era)
lol what does this have to do with bron đ€Ł
Dude. Cmon. Every claim against Jordan is just to try and make LeBron look better. I donât know where youâve been
If thatâs the case, I would say the reverse is also true.
How would you defend him?
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It looks like the defense are extras specifically told not to be too distracting.
Slinky with a great mid range stroke. Got to see him play live against my rockets. Like a tiger on the prowl.
Panther. That black cat.
Yup. Either works. You felt his presence for sure. He respected Hakeem though. Which you should back then. Even young Shaq struggled against Dream.
What year did you see him v the Rockets and what do you remember beyond the presence? TBH I would be more impressed seeing him do this against Olajuwon, Maxwell and co than this Miami team
I watched a lot of the championship seasons in person. 1994 and 1995. He had moments but Hakeem definetly kept him outside the paint. I did see him play before then. Maybe 1992? Where he was really flying around. He was a menace in the passing lanes. Driving and slashing. H8m and Glide were so nice on the break.
Oh mad max. He was always fun. I think mj got him for a lot in 1992. Maybe 40+? 1994 and 95 he didnt score a ton. Max was game but just wasnt big enough.
Mike would fry the podcasters and streamers in todays nba
Ok unc. Take your meds
You brain rot weirdos who cannot comprehend not seeing anything in your lifetime as being the best are beyond help.
Thankfully people can see LeBron and Kobe stans react unbiasedly to stuff like his Ultimate Mixtape, etc. You being a hater should give it a go yourself.
Edit - fucking hell, so many of your posts are dedicated to hating on Jordan. And you talk of others needing to take meds?!?
No, Iâm just sick of old head bums pretending that everything was better back in the day. Itâs wasnât. We can all see the footage. The game has Evolved significantly since Jordanâs era but for some reason the uncs at the barber shot canât give these guys playing today their flowers because it would shatter their fragile nostalgia of their youth.
Thereâs a reason that Jordan fans only talk about 6-0. (But donât you dare mention Russel to them.) Thereâs a reason Kobe stans only talk about âMamba mentalityâ
Iâm not letting you bums tell me that Jordan would âfryâ everyone today when he thrived in an era of expansion and extraordinarily simple defensive schemes, the era of best of 5. And feasting off the fading showtime lakers and the Utah jazz who put up 54 total points in a finals game. All while having an all-time system and coach around him.
Mind you, he also had to retire twice
This is mental illness
Damm. I guess calling out uncs on there BS is a mental Illness.
Guy spends his entire reddit life hating on MJ, thinks everyone else is the problem lol. đšâđł đ đ€đŒ
And you have to ruthlessly defend him, so you donât have to cope with the fact youâre getting older
I grew up in the golden age baby! Feel bad for you young fellas, rough timeline for yâall.
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Oh, you’re mad, along with being stupid as shit. A deadly combo.
I have no issue bringing up Bill Russell. His talent should be lauded. Absolutely.At a time when there was on average of 10 teams in the league and 2 rounds of playoffs. Not that you know that.
Enjoy watching real life streamers or whatever the fuck else your into aside from celebrating a losing record in the NBA finals and cumulative stats while colluding to form super teams and then bailing first chance he can. Real shit. đȘ
As a neutral third party - itâs wild you are calling him mad with your profanity and insult filled responses. Youâve fallen for his ragebait big time.
Good job not engaging at all with what i said and also not realizing the hypocrisy.
Enjoy not watching basketball Since itâs clear you stopped watching in 2000.
The NBA was wildly different in how it was constructed even compared to Jordan’s time racking up those rings. Only a brain rotted idiot cannot comprehend that.
I still enjoy the NBA today. Life is good as a Knicks fan.
Enjoy holding LeBron’s jockstrap and those RL streams. đș
Yo, youâre slowly starting to get it. Good job. Maybe soon youâll get the other points too!
My guy, your job is just hating on Jordan and screaming at anyone not Gen Z lapping away greedily at LeBron going by a 5-10 second scroll of your posts. That says it all. đ
What makes me laugh is when people say how easy the game was back then or how slow it was⊠MJ was the only one doing what he was doing. If the league was that shit, there would be like half a dozen players who put up the stats that he consistently did⊠But there isnât.
My favorite thing about this video is not a single 3-pt shot. I know that wasnât his forte nor is there anything wrong with them, but if it was today, more than half these shots would be 3s. Thereâs something much more appealing to watching basketball with these midrange shots.
Ehh, the driving pull up middies from the 16ft range are beautiful, but those nasty long 2s that are one step inside the line are just silly/frustrating to watch for me. Like seriously, take 2 steps back lol.
Thats not a knock on Jordan specifically either, everybody did it back then
Itâs one of those things where it seems so obvious in hindsight, like yeah if you step back 2 feet you might miss two percent more but itâs worth FIFTY percent more.
People work a lot on “getting to their spots ” on the floor, so if the three point wasnt being drilled as one of their spots there was no muscle memory to immediatley rise up and hit so fluid and automatica like that. Unfortunately Jordan stated that he intentionally didnt work on 3s because he felt it would diminish his attacking of the basket style of play
No I get it, it’s not Jordan or any player’s fault it’s just kinda funny to me. I’m very interested by how things evolve, and how resistance to the new can blind people to something pretty obvious, like for instance how 3 points is more than 2.
Why do videos these days start with a clip in the middle or the end of the video? Are these videos made for idiots with no attention span so they have to put the ending first to keep their viewers interest? IDK but I feel like that kind of crap is insulting and I refuse to watch videos on social media these days that do that. As soon as I saw the same play in the middle of the video I just closed it. Grind my gears type of crap.
Mos def
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Never been in love
Yep and it confuses the fuck out of me a lot because it’s so jarring lol. I’m sure it’s because of some “drives engagement” metric bullshit.
yeah it’s a “hook”
On YT shorts/IG reels/tiktok feeds, people generally swipe within 1.5-3s of seeing a short so you generally want something exciting in the first couple frames/seconds to have people watch till the end
But not sure why a 3min video does this tbh. Stupid ass editing imo. A simple “MJ 56pts in playoffs” caption would suffice
Seeing Jordan play always had this feel of seeing someone do exactly what they are supposed to be doing. He just looks and moves like a basketball player should look and move. His body type, the way he walks and runs, his jumper, his idk swagger. He just always looked and still looks like the perfect mold of a baller to me.
GOAT.
What’s crazy is this was the only close game of the series. As bad as the Heat look they only lose by 5. Still 56 points on 74% TS without a 3 ball is pretty outrageous. Pippen had 31 on 59% TS as well but the rest of the Bulls starters were pretty ass which is I’m guessing how the Heat managed to hang with a pretty balanced attack from their starting 5.
Fun stuff looking at historical games.
The Miami Heat were pretty mid in 1992
They were an 88-89 expansion team and this was their first playoff appearance
38-44.
They were not mid, they were awful. This was their best season to date and they were 38-44.
My point remains, dropping 56 points on a terrible team isn’t a real flex
Have been last 2-3 years as well
Ah the defense of a 38-44 expansion team
itâs fucking hilarious when people try to say Steph Curry is a better offensive players
Steph averaged 30+ in the playoffs 1 single season.
Jordan averaged 33.6ppg for his entire playoff career
A lot of people equate offense to shooting, also just another reason why comparing eras is futile, the spots people are trying to get to ate completely different.
it’s almost as if there’s more to it than ppg
great point, famous low-gravity player Michael Jordan
Steph Curry is the first player to ever be guarded heavily
jordan could never do this against a zone and he admitted it himself lol.
i wonder if the best mid range and post fade player who shot 85% from the line and is the most fundamentally sound basketball player of all time could figure out how to shoot 3âs
It’s always hilarious to me that people will try to argue MJ just wasn’t a good 3 point shooter and wouldn’t be even if you put him in today’s game (even though he tended to shoot better with more volume and his worst season %’s were on so few attempts that almost all of them were shot clock bombs & buzzer beater heaves).
In addition to what you pointed out, most of these haters don’t even realize that Mike played essentially his entire life prior to the NBA with the 3 point line not even existing… It didn’t get introduced to college ball until ‘86. I’d love to see how well modern players would be shooting from 3 if they were only introduced to it when they turned pro.
when did he have more volume? when the 3 point line was shortened to wnba distance? đ€
you cannot argue that he was a good 3 point shooter. that is an undebatable fact that he was NOT one lol. keep bringing up hypotheticals though
thats great bro. unfortunately, we live in the real world and not your hypothetical world where he did that. he ended his career never learning how to shoot threes after 15 seasons.
one of them isnt even a 3 level scorer. i wonder who the better offensive player is đ€
its not the guy who averaged 22.5ppg in the 2016 NBA finals, thats for sure
if only we ever saw jordan go against a team as good as the 2016 cavs so we could compare.. đ
folded fast lol
It’s not too late to delete this stupidity.
Best finisher and mid range shooter the game has ever seen.
GOAT
How did a team that had the 6th worst net rating in the league even make the playoffs
Finished 38 - 44 and managed to grab the 8th spot but then went up against the first seed Bulls (67-15) who were firing on all cylinders and got mollywhopped.
Expansion 90s led to some weird standings stuff, itâs how the 96 Bulls won 72
Grateful I saw him live once. Never seen anyone like him since.
Is that the greatest statline for a playoff series ever?
I think his series vs 76ers in the 1990 ECSF is even better because it was actually against a good team. 43/7/7 on 55/39/85 shooting splits with 4 steals. To me that’s his best series
Yea heat competition was weak but I was just wondering if purely counting stats-wise if any beat it. He has def had better series
He avenged 44 in â86 against Boston and only put up 19 in game 3âŠ
And 41 against the suns in the finals
If you go by the Game Score metric I believe it is
He averaged 41 against the suns in the finals
Yea i just meant pure counting stats.
He avged 45/10/7 on 61% from the field.
Coaches would tear him up today for those 22 footers
All I see here is Shaedon Sharpe.
This thread made me double check if I was on NBATalk or a jerk sub
Somehow, some way, MJ has become underrated, despite being the GOAT.
There is a huge gap between MJ and number two Kobe in my mind, with Magic third.
I mean, look at that airtight 90s defense
I feel like adding the âwithout attempting a 3â sort of weakened the impact of shooting 61%.
Great player bullies garbage team not allowed to play proper defense. And no I’m not some young kid I watched every Jordan finals live. The dude was amazing but the competition was not.
Where is lockdown physical defense ? lol, game was absolute dog shit back then
Great No. 2
Defense ain’t all that
Watered down expansion era
Brian Shaw, Steve Smith, Glen Rice, Grant Long and Rony Seikaly started for the Heat.
They won 38 games and had the 3rd worst defense in the league, they werenât good lol
I didnât say they were good lol. I just listed the starting 5.
Where were the double teams?
LeMedia is here
Nobody even mentioned LeBron. I’m a fan of Jordan but you a lot you are obsessed with hating LeBron to the point y’all say he’s not top 15.
Nobody is saying that Lebron ainât top 15 thatâs bullshit lmao. Youâre making shit up. Schizophrenic ass argumentÂ
Take a look at Jordan Twitter and Facebook. They’re so obsessed with diminishing LeBron as a player I had to leave those groups.
Double teams were against the rules.
No. You could double team but you had to fully commit to the double team. Hard double teams less shading over from a defender on the side.