We can’t take responsibility for society’s inertia but you could apply that line of thought to how you personally behave and how diligently you work and serve the community you can meaningfully impact. That’s what I’ve tried doing and it feels good. Much of the progress you speak of has been made by people who applied themselves to making things better, and their influence has been tremendous at scale.

Keep thinking that way and doing what you can with whatever sphere of influence you have. I really appreciate comments like this that really show the importance of deep thinking. Gives me hope.

Imagine an economic/incentive system based on human beings cooperating with each other, as opposed to competing against one another like the one we have now. Imagine what society might look like.

We sit around wondering why we’re at each others throats all the time, well, it’s because the system we currently have incentivizes us to compete with and defeat those around us, and rewards us for doing so. It champions the individual to the detriment of the greater society; winner take all; never stop accumulating; actively celebrate the resulting disparity, etc, etc. It’s all very ugly and we can do a lot better, if only we could mentally break free from the tired old assertion that there is nothing better than good ol’ Capitalism. We can and should do better.

I love the way you think. But that term is not going to be the catchphrase that takes us to the promised Land my friend.

“Did I say a dead tie? My bad, I meant LeBron’s dead to me.”

Please, punch me in the face again, mj

What trade?

LeBronze broke de code

Kerr: “look, if he can will the city to a championship with no knees embiid, then he’s the goat”

After Lebron was traded to the Warriors. Played there for three seasons. Won a championship. Went back to the Lakers for a year and is now on the Sixers.

You did get Hakeem vs Jordan

This. It’s hard to compare eras.

GOTE. Greatest of Their Era

Yeah buts who’s the captain?

Good list.

but Kareem over wilt easy.

I think I agree with your list - or atleast we’re close. I personally think the 2, 3, and 4 positions are locked. Steph > Magic wouldn’t be shocking to me, but I’d align with your pick of Magic still, I think.

I really feel like the only position in this 5 that is not as clear atm is Center. I could be sold on Wilt, Russell, Kareem, but some would even say Hakeem or Shaq and I wouldn’t be upset about it.

To speak to the OC, I also prefer to do a positional 5 GOATs lineup instead of a single guy.

I’d have Hakeem over Wilt

The only questions are the 1 and the 5.

Does the team above beat itself with Curry and/or {Shaq or Hakeem or Kareem} as replacements?

Would be an awesome game.

The 2024 Olympics solidified Curry as the greatest PG of all time: Do not change my mind

Unfortunately Wilt is dead

Kareem

Just said the same thing. Curry and Shaq will round out a team better than Magic and Kareem would, but I totally see the argument for Magic and Kareem being the respective position GOATs

I think you take each position in a vacuum in this case. You can do the team building exercise on podcasts and Reddit posts though it’s good content

This is an insane level of glazing

Tbh, I bet incidents like that happen in practice WAY more than anyone realizes. It’s just that most of them are never made public.

Shit - I know there are dust-ups in NFL training camps all the time.

Draymond must really respect Poole

You’re missing the joke

Him and MJ share a lot of respect with each other even years later. They got over it pretty quick even back in the day.

To be fair - most of the guys who played with both are in the MJ camp.

Not that I think it really matters that much - it’s not like there’s some objectively correct answer to any of these debates.

They also say Kobe

Majority say MJ though from every survey that’s ever been done. It’s like 70% MJ and 12% LeBron

Wemby would have to break the game, like shoot 3s better than anyone else in the league on top of being Wemby. a new version of Wilt for the modern game.

also i think if Wemby 3peats after this stretch of 8 different champions in 8 years (9 in 9 if he wins it next) and is dominant despite the nba 2nd apron rules, that’d instantly put him on top for a lot of people. close out the 2020s with a 3peat, then still be a contender for most of the 2030s? he’d easily be in top 3 all time convos. would also mean he shuts down Lebron’s chase for a 5th while doing so.

His teams were non competitive in damn near every one of his finals losses. Two sweeps, and two 4-1 losses.

I agree. That is a huge part of the problem with the discourse. LeBron had 10 chances to win a chip. Jordan had six and you can make the argument. A couple injuries go a different way and LeBron has six. If not more rings with more appearances. I know who’s clearly better, but as I said I’m okay with people putting MJ first as long as they’re not trying to act like it’s not some sort of discussion and for God’s sake keep Kobe out of the fucking conversation

Who cares dude, it was a different era. He still won 11 freaking championships. You could say that Jordan played in a watered-down expansion era, but you never hear that from any of the people gurgling his nuts

11 is more than six

Not saying he’s a net negative on the floor. But he’s continuing to play for no other reason but to try and catch MJ’s ring total, thinking this will cement himself as the GOAT, this is common knowledge.

He played with older MJ - not peak MJ (which was 1988 to 1991).

And Jordan has Lebron beat in density, it’s really not even that close.

Reconsider the “same accomplishments” idea. Very different accomplishments. Not like they both took part in a standardized math test.

Why should playing longer in order to reach the same accomplishments

It is very important to keep reminding people that Lebron did not reach the same accomplishments as Jordan. Jordan won more championships, won more MVPs, won more DPOY, had more 1st team all defense selections.

Lebron stans want you to think losing in the playoffs is the same as winning a championship, a standard that has never ever been applied to any other all time great ever. Magic made 9 NBA finals, but we refer to him as a 5 time champion, not his 4 other finals losses.

Because playing is how you provide value.