We weren’t exiled for being good guys

We’re also doing all of this while not wearing any pants.

There was a league in PoE 1 where an Alva traveled through multiple timelines and said that corruption always won, except for one timeline where the guy that won makes the devil envy.

So, I think we are in a good path here! (Of Exile).

Nice try, raven.

The big dude enjoying his meal had me thinking that the other day too I’m just like damn poor guy chillin in his home eating and I came in launching 50 twisters at him.

If we don’t do what we do another Cataclysm happens or Wraeclast never recovers from the Cataclysm ultimately we are a necessary Evil also the entities we come across in maps are maddened by corruption.

We are the Doryani of this Cycle doing absolutely everything to stop the Cataclysm doesn’t matter over how many Bodies we have to walk because ultimately the alternative is worse.

On the one hand, genocide bad.

On the other hand… Mageblood? 

Just drawing extra hero tax is all. You think The Beast or any of the other pinnacle bosses are going to be kinder to the regular denizens if they end up on top? I don’t think so.

1 monster remains.

Raven cracks me up with his lines as witch

There was arbiter of divinity? And you killed it? - why would u do that? Lmao

Aye, the turtle bit had me questioning my life choices, then a divine dropped and I forgot all about it.

Wraeclast is an extremely savage place. There’s really no good guys there.

Have you been paying attention to the lore? Relatively, yes we’re the good guys. But the word “relatively” is doing allot of the heavy lifting here.

If god didn’t want me to murder everyone then why does he give xp for it?

Just because we’re not great doesn’t mean they’re good.

I see the characters more like the ones who get their hands dirty to help the NPCs out like Renly. We’re more like anti-heroes I guess; not the cleanest ways to save the day but we get the job done.

Imagine you’re an indigenous guy that just sells fish and various fabric dyes every weekend in the city market. At some point you see the local cult drag a blonde white woman (you’ve never even seen one) wearing metal through the town square, and like 3 minutes later some other blonde lady runs through the town square and vaporizes your whole family on the way to the cults territory

I had the same thought when I entered the sealed pyramid of an ancient people that managed to survive Silo style for multiple generations just to murder everyone but two before revealing myself as the buddy of their ancient timetraveling founder

Just play as a witch, all her lines are about how she needs more power to ultimately conquer the whole world. So… yes)))

You never played PoE1 Conquerors of the Atlas expansion? We were never the good guys.

Is this a meme or serious?

If you’re serious it’s not really true anymore for PoE2. Some of the player characters have been bad guys in the past. (And maybe they’ll go back to doing bad stuff again after the world is saved, looking at you Witch) But during the course of the game we’re pretty much just doing what needs to be done to help Sin try to save the world. We kill almost everything we encounter because they are in league with Oriana and/or twisted by Corruption into violent monsters.

The player characters from PoE1 are actually bad guys. Act 1-5 is an extended revenge-motivated rampage to get back at the Templars for exiling us. Act 6-10 is us begrudgingly fixing what we broke in our rampage. And for the PoE1 endgame it’s basically confirmed that if we keep grinding after the pinnacle bosses are dead we go mad with power and obsessed with the atlas. Not to mention some of the questionable sidequest activities like helping Alva play loot the Vaal, Heist and so on. (PoE2 endgame is just more of us saving the world, including all the side quests)

It’s a grim dark sort of world, there are no good guys.

I had this odd feeling while running Delirium maps and running a certain Rogue Exile. Ulfred, the afflicted I think. Here’s a few of his voice lines when the encounter starts

“How much are they paying you to kill me?!” “You’re not real… You’re not real… You’re not real…” “You! They sent you, didn’t they?” “No, no, no… What are you doing here?!” “S-stay back… I’m warning ya!” “Please, no…”

Always felt a bit bad killing him compared to the rest of the Rogue Exiles.

No one gets mad at white blood cells for doing their job.

these dudes attack ME for waking near them, I’m not in the wrong by slaying everybody in the vicinity

Have you tired walking in and not killing anything? That’s right, they try to kill you. So no.

Try teleporting in and just exploring, see what happens

Everyone post campaign is afflicted with corruption, crawling out of hell, trying to envelop the world in pitch darkness, delusions, or… an incomplete hive of grasping hands forever tearing through reality to subsume all creation .

We just want some divs man.

My favourite thing to do in this world is to find corrupted areas, kill the boss in the nexus and thus saving all the creatures in the sorrounding maps from the corruption…

Then I go map by map and kill all the creatures I just saved and take their fracturing orbs.

I play a monk, so it’s ok.

If you insist on waiting until they attack first, which they will, be my guest. You do you, Exile.

In my headcanon there are no real good guys on Wraeclast, that have impact (maybe Sin, MAYBE). Just interests that either align or conflict.

I hate killing drum bois

I mean, some of the bosses are straight up chilling in their “hideout” and we go visit, slaughter, pillage everything in our path to reach and do the same to them.

Imagine being the last Titan in that Grotto, you’re locked away, doing nothing. Being the sole survivor of a Titan War and then this skimpy hErO comes, unlocks the door to your hidey-hole, wipes everything in their path and comes to steal your Flame Ruby that has kept you alive for so long (presumably).

Heck yeah we’re the baddies.

OH and also….

In case nobody caught that, but we literally go back in time TWICE and in one of those times we trigger the cataclysm.

In the Vaal Temple, we go back in time to the same moment we also fight Doryani in Act 3, but in a different location to fight and kill Atziri.

Which in turn, to my understanding, makes Atziri so desperate to survive that she communes with The Beast and triggers the cataclysm that Doryani is trying to prevent in Act 3.

So we’re the cause of the cataclysm and the inevitable fall of the Vaal people and everything that follows that.

Whole forest is at peace.. until an exile walks in.. and then the whole forest is unified, to defeat us..

Funnily enough, I thought the same thing when my Stormweaver was ripping through Utzaal. It’s like, damn, we attempted peace for 5 seconds, talks broke through, and I killed 1000 soldiers in under half an hour.

Well, there is a reason why each of the exiles are..well…exiled.

PoE world is rather grimdark. Basically everybody is some shade of evil, with truly good individuals very hard to come by (Zanna from PoE1 is the only one that comes to mind of the top of my head, unless I am missing some lore).

So you don’t have to feel too bad because it’s really a dog-eat-dog world and every dog wants to eat you.

We are the sea people 😞

I dunno about you but I returned this lady her leprechaun flute. I feel like that buys me a good bit of wanton killing/goodwill.

In the first game, we basically went on a rampage slaying everyone’s gods, collecting their powers like pokemon cards. Then in the endgame, we were tamping with lovecraftian forces that could shatter our entire reality.

I’d expect no less from POE2’s story to unfold. We are the most powerful entity in the universe(s) in POE, and we are not the good guys.

Wish games worls was more interactive. Most of the time i have a hard time feeling like im killing actual living people. They dont talk they dont scream like they did in poe. They just kinda die and disappear. Especially on mire map eith ritual villages id expect those village people to scream or ululate, which would boost games immersion by 10000%. But yeah, been also wondering if we re the bad guys everytime i kill the arbiter lol. Even raven says  : what, do you want to destroy the world by killing arbiter?” Which makes me question if my druid is pure evil or has 1 iq lol 

I just absolutely love the witch, her dialogue is peak enjoyment.all the other characters are so grim but she just has fun were ever she goes and talks shit to every demon, God, spirit, or ruler she meets. She really is just out there living her best (un)life!

Don’t listen to the Raven trickster.

We literally commit mass murder for a miniscule chance to drop shiny orbs to change numbers on our clothing.

You dont bring sulphite?

I know very little of PoE lore, but Act 3 made me feel this way. I mean, you end up in a city in the past, and when the villagers run away and then defend themselves from strange time-traveling people… you slaughter the entire fucking city. 

I get like, yeah, the Vaal seem kinda unhinged, doing sacrifices and experiments and all that, but still. “Oh, they ran away in fear! Well, here I go killing again!”

There is a reason we were being hanged at the start.

Maybe they shouldn’t be walking around carrying divs in their pockets if they don’t want me to kill them

Man, the entire Heist league mechanic is basically this: a thief (exile) breaks into someone’s mansion, kills all the guards- people who are just doing their jobs, who have families, kids, and loved ones - slaughters everyone… and all of that - is for a 400-coin Rust Fragment.

I feel like grim dawn kind of does this the best where everyone is the bad guy 

Yes. Like 3 times we’ve fucked up the time line

helldivers moment we are the bad guys

Yes.

You can do the Ghandi approach

Always have been

Just ignore the strange voices to keep your sanity!

Yea but they attack without being provoked

Oh my lord, you’re murdering innocent souls!

Just look around, exile. I’m sure there’s a wraeclast politician willing to give you tax-payer-exalts for your vote. Or at the very least, you just being there illegally will help earn more seats in their consensus count.

Tbh, there arent very many “good guys” in Wraeclast. Closest might be some of the shop NPCs but the whole premise of PoE1 & 2 is the world has basically become hell at least twice now. We’re survivors turned godkillers. Concepts like good and evil kinda check their coat at the door around here.

Murderhobos

We’re the ones who were strong enough to survive.

Doesn’t the delirium guy basically tell us indirectly we are hallucinating and all the “monsters” we slay are basically innocent people?

if you followed POE1 timeline: yes. We turned insane after aquiring too much power and slaughtering millions of lifes. Finally turning into Sirius and his Guardians, which a new generation of exiles has to fight.

“Listen carefully. For this is important. I worked with a group of exiles once, much like yourselves. Together we faced a terrible evil that plagued the Atlas and threatened our world. Through great perseverance we were able to defeat the Elder… But it wasn’t enough. They kept going back. Over and over. Again and again. There was something inside them that could never be satisfied. They sought more power, more prestige, they sought to rule and conquer those strange lands. Each time they returned, I feared more and more what they were becoming. “

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSwqFwH0SiI&t=

This was from the Conquerer’s of the Atlas expansion in PoE1 where GGG clearly hints at us being or becoming the bad guys while poking fun at PoE players a bit as well.

If the exile stayed home, the world would be a better place 😂

In fairness, at least in the 4 acts we have so far, we dont actually kill any of the main map bosses.

Count gets got by the Hooded One.

Janamra gets killed by the Sekhema.

Doryani becomes our bff.

Tavakai or whatever his name is gets cured and reunited with his zombie daughter.

I dont count the interludes but we do help the twins. We do kill the ones in A1 and A3 interludes but again this is just filler content so I am not counting it.

You were a good man in a bad situation

My favorite is when the monk runs around shouting “Your fate is sealed” while killing Vaal without a spoiler alert. How much more evil can you get than telling a whole civilization that you’ve seen their demise?

At least in poe 1 the atlas is a pseudo-reality and none of the millions you slaughter are actually people, in this game you’re jumping around actual wraeclast and committing mass genocide.

What have you become when even nightmares fear you?

Sulphite = cannibals
Turtles = crazed sea creatures
Rogue exiles = special agents framed by the Vaal government for rightfully going rogue.
Mud bath = public indecency and sexual predator

ITS ALL A SET UP. WEVE BEEN LIED TO.

I had the exact same thoughts when I killed crowbell the first time. It was like.. i don’t wanted to hit him because he was crying and running away. But the game forced me to follow and kill him.