GreatCaesarGhost | Bucks

162 | 4 hours ago

I think the voters have shiny new players to fixate on, and the Nuggets might not be all that great this year.

SparkyForce | Warriors

48 | 4 hours ago

Wemby and who else? Cade?

Resident-Cancel7284 | Pistons

73 | 4 hours ago

Shai or Luka probably. Cade is clearly a tier below those guys. Maybe if he steps up his efficiency and Detroit wins 60+ games again. He’s not at his peak yet while the other guys are (except Wemby but he’s just a freak).

kentalaska | MIL

1 | 18 minutes ago

Every year we talk about how this is going to be Luka’s year to win MVP. He’s lead in betting odds a few times and always underperforms in the voting due to injury or team performance. Shai isn’t really a “shiny new player” when he’s won the last 2 MVPs.

imadogg | Lakers

1 | 10 minutes ago

Shiny new 6 time top 2 in MVP

Resident-Cancel7284 | Pistons

1 | 7 minutes ago

Yeah Shai definitely isn’t a “shiny new player”, I just think he’s a clear favorite over Cade regardless. I think Luka should still be. I obviously love Cade but he’s clearly not at Luka’s level. Cade winning MVP this year would be super surprising, he’s literally 8th in odds right now (at least according to some googling). Jokic is 3rd behind Wemby and Shai and just ahead of Luka fwiw.

EssenceofSalt | Hornets

-9 | 4 hours ago

Shai would need to average 40 to win MVP this year.

DuckDucks

27 | 3 hours ago

But not to get 2nd to Wemby

siphillis | Spurs

17 | 3 hours ago

If the Thunder are a 70-win team, he won’t have to do much better than he already has

EssenceofSalt | Hornets

9 | 2 hours ago

3 MVP b2b2b would put him in a very very elite crowd. Voters wont do that without something exceptional.

Mosh00Rider | Suns

12 | 2 hours ago

Best player on a 70 win team would probably do it though

Hopsalong | Nuggets

2 | an hour ago

This is the truth. The NBA media very much likes that Larry Bird is the only player to win 3 in a row.

Jokic was on pace to win his 3rd at the #1 seed and having the best season in the league when the whole voters are racist from perk storyline broke and then he was firmly in 2nd. SGA is essentially invalidated from winning 3 in a row especially given his poor showing in last year’s playoffs

EssenceofSalt | Hornets

2 | an hour ago

That was my point. SGA is very likely to have an MVP caliber season as he is still easily a top 3 player in the league. To give him 3 in a row he needs to be at a near unanimous level of separation from 2nd place.

Hopsalong | Nuggets

2 | an hour ago

He might of gotten a more fair shake if the thunder were back to back champions. But his poor play being the primary reason ending their playoffs early against such a young and mistake prone spurs ended his chances this year

StanLay281 | Warriors

23 | 4 hours ago

Yeah I’d say them or maybe Luka if he can stay healthy

kentalaska | MIL

1 | 18 minutes ago

We’ve been saying Luka is next for the last 5 years…

HolyDemon5 | Lakers

-6 | 4 hours ago

Luka isnt a shiny new player tho, he gets voters’ fatigue without ever even sniffing one

AttitudeDismal3817 | Hornets

11 | 4 hours ago

Yeah Kyle Kuzma also gets voters’ fatigue without ever getting an MVP

Ecstatic-Data6699 | Spurs

1 | 30 minutes ago

Bruh justify 23-24

p_pio

2 | 4 hours ago

Back to back MVP winner in the last 2 seasons also has decent shot at finishing over Jokic I guess. Basically Jokic is now only 4th favourite to win MVP (Luka also rank above him, though they are close).

Boysenberrysnboys

0 | an hour ago

The fact that he won back to back and went out earlier than expected this year (not in an embarrassing way but still) means that even if SGA is obviously the best player a lot of voters will refuse to vote him MVP because they don’t want to put him in the same league as MJ.

He would have to be spectacular to be a favorite.

Edit: actually more back to back than peak Jordan

waveshineoosupsmash

1 | 36 minutes ago

Jordan and Lebron have very famously not 3peated MVP, and it is brought up a lot as a reason people think nobody ever will again. Not Giannis when he had a chance. Not Jokic when he had a chance. And it’s why people think Shai can’t win it this upcoming season, regardless of how well he plays or the Thunder do.

kharathos | Bucks

1 | 3 hours ago

Don’t forget shiny new team Giannis as well

smilax1901 | Nuggets

-11 | 2 hours ago

Reminder Jokic was consensus MVP before his injury

Edit: it’s been pointed out I should have said front runner not consensus. As I recall even many SGA biased commentators aside from like Perk were admitting as much which was surprising

Abkhaziaisnotmyhome

18 | 2 hours ago

No he wasn’t at all consensus. It was between him and Shai.

Frosty-Roof3124 [OP]

7 | 2 hours ago

Jokic had edge in odds, but yes it was not consensus

Mosh00Rider | Suns

6 | 2 hours ago

His injury was in December, there is no consensus MVP with more than half the season remaining.

smilax1901 | Nuggets

-2 | 36 minutes ago

Idk even the hater talking heads were saying he was the front runner as I recall

Mosh00Rider | Suns

1 | 31 minutes ago

The front runner a month into the season? That doesn’t say very much.

smilax1901 | Nuggets

1 | 26 minutes ago

“A month”? Lol it was the end of December, there had been 32 games played and he was having his statistical best season yet with Denver a top 2-3 team record wise

Edit:

“ At the time of his injury on December 29, 2025, Nikola Jokić was putting up the most dominant traditional and advanced statistical numbers of his career.

Prior to that game, he was pacing toward a historic season:

Traditional Triple-Double Pacing: He was averaging a staggering 29.9 points, 12.4 rebounds, and 11.1 assists per game. It was tracking to be the highest scoring and highest-assisting season of his entire career.

Historic Advanced Metrics: According to Nugglove analysis, his Player Efficiency Rating (PER) peaked at a jaw-dropping 35.4 before the injury. This comfortably cleared his own previous NBA all-time record of 32.85. He was also on pace for career-high marks in Win Shares per 48 minutes (WS/48) and Box Plus-Minus (BPM).”

Mosh00Rider | Suns

1 | 21 minutes ago

Yeah so like I said more than half the season remained, there is no front runner with that many games left.

smilax1901 | Nuggets

1 | 18 minutes ago

So we admit it wasn’t “a month” into the season, 40% of games had been played, and there clearly can be a frontrunner whether you like it or not

Mosh00Rider | Suns

1 | 15 minutes ago

You said consensus not front runner.

Kiriegloom | Bulls

1 | an hour ago

It was a super close race up until that point lol. Shai and Jokic have been neck and neck the past couple seasons now. Idk why people on either side have to argue their player was better and it’s not even close

Valuable-Average-865

83 | 5 hours ago

The wannabe Yang Hansen

DrTom | PDX

33 | 4 hours ago

Chis Liu on Nikola Jokic: “He’s learning a lot of Chinese. Every day in the morning we shake hands and he tells me “Wǒ shì nà wèi yīngjùn de sài’ěrwéiyǎ niánqīng rén.”, which means ‘I’m the Serbian Young Handsome’.”

rubyschnees | Nuggets

37 | 5 hours ago

if the nuggets manage to avoid the play-in he will have earned it

Sammy2729 | Lakers

24 | 5 hours ago

Might be difficult looking at that bench

moon_dos | Puerto Rico

18 | 4 hours ago

also Aaron Gordon might not have any 60+ game seasons left in him 😕

SimilarOnion1655 | Lakers

5 | 3 hours ago

You really think they will be worse than one of the Suns, Warriors, Trail Blazers, or Jazz

Sammy2729 | Lakers

3 | 3 hours ago

Idk, but last year their deeper bench saved them from plummeting as jokic and Gordon got injured. Idk if that is possible anymore. I see okc spurs lakers wolves rockets as clearly better.

SimilarOnion1655 | Lakers

5 | 3 hours ago

We, the Timberwolves, and Rockets are all in the same tier as the Nuggets. They have the best player in that tier of teams. The other three teams have flaws too

Sammy2729 | Lakers

2 | 3 hours ago

Jokic is slightly better than Luka and even more better than ant or KD, but even comparing starting lineups that nuggets team lags behind. That’s the same starting lineup which got belted by the hospital wolves with no ant divincenzo and dosumnu.

Frosty-Roof3124 [OP]

5 | 3 hours ago

You’re just going to ignore the Nuggets injuries? LOL

Sammy2729 | Lakers

0 | an hour ago

Who was injured in that series, Payton Watson? Peyton watson ≠ ant, divincenzo and dosumnu

Frosty-Roof3124 [OP]

3 | an hour ago

Watson missed 6 games. Gordon missed 3 games.

Divincenzo missed 3 games. Ant missed 2 games. Ayo missed 1 game.

Sammy2729 | Lakers

0 | an hour ago

Still, jokic shooting calender date efficiency is why they lost. Him being shit on defence didn’t help either

SimilarOnion1655 | Lakers

-1 | 2 hours ago

Nuggets vs Rockets

PG: Nuggets

SG: Rockets

SF: Rockets

PF: Nuggets

C: Nuggets

Sammy2729 | Lakers

1 | 2 hours ago

Bench matters, also the starting PF for nuggets isn’t exactly durable lately

SimilarOnion1655 | Lakers

1 | an hour ago

Coaching: Rockets Bench: Rockets Owner: Nuggets Offense: Nuggets Defense: Rockets It’s 5:5

Spownach | Wizards

1 | an hour ago

the exact opposite of advanced analytics, i wish basketball was this easy bro

also wtf does the owner have to do with this?

smilax1901 | Nuggets

1 | 2 hours ago

Our coach is also a moron

Mosh00Rider | Suns

2 | 2 hours ago

The Trailblazers and the Suns made the playoffs last year, why are you talking like we would be bottom 4 in the West?

Kiriegloom | Bulls

1 | an hour ago

Yall were the damn 8th seed. The Nuggets aren’t falling that far

SimilarOnion1655 | Lakers

0 | an hour ago

I know but you are not on our, Nuggets, Timberwolves, or Rockets level yet, ok

No-Inside2846 | Thunder

3 | 4 hours ago

He will earned what?

Frosty-Roof3124 [OP]

5 | 4 hours ago

He’s referring to finishing top 2 in MVP, the subject of this post

Jonesalot

3 | 4 hours ago

Nahh, they should be fine. it was only last season they had a bench, before that it was very limited as well, and they still made it confortably

SimilarOnion1655 | Lakers

2 | 3 hours ago

There is a little if any chance that the Nuggets finish behind one of the Warriors, Suns, Trail Blazers, and Jazz

theyoloGod | Tampa Bay Raptors

26 | 4 hours ago

I think wemby probably wins it assuming spurs finish top 2. Jokic could definitely be second. Or maybe it’s finally Luka’s year but the lakers will naturally have to be very good

wompk1ns | Supersonics

17 | 4 hours ago

With Wendy’s size and play style, getting to 65 games minimum is the challenge

MuchAbouAboutNothing | Thunder

13 | 4 hours ago

Now that the Spurs have a long post-season run under their belt, they should be able to pace themselves through the regular season, because they know what it takes to reach the finals

siphillis | Spurs

0 | 3 hours ago

He was literally on-pace to do it all three seasons of his career until a blood-clot hit.

It’s funny to me that people project Wemby like he’s a walking injury when his fellow seven-footers are the ones constantly out with major injuries. Chet has had two bone fractures. Lively’s career has already been derailed. Edey already needs foot surgery

Gaarando | NBA

6 | an hour ago

He barely made it this season with a lot of minutes restrictions as well.

waveshineoosupsmash

1 | 33 minutes ago

It’s kind of a miracle that he hyper extended his knee and only missed like a week. The same thing knocked Jokic out for months.

Kiriegloom | Bulls

3 | an hour ago

The blood clot was a direct result of the fact he’s so damn big lol. That counts. You’re also leaving out that last season he quite literally played the least you could and still get post season awards. If he even had another minor injury, the DPOY wouldn’t have been his

MyTeamsSuck99

3 | 3 hours ago

My favorites would be wemby and Shai, and then behind them is jokic and Luka. After that you get the Cade, Brunson, tatums of the world who will be on good teams but not as good individual stats.

theyoloGod | Tampa Bay Raptors

2 | 3 hours ago

I just don’t see a narrative for SGA to win due to voters fatigue. Would likely require high 60 wins and the mvp front runner getting injured.

MyTeamsSuck99

3 | 3 hours ago

The narrative will be that OKC wins 67 games and he has another historically efficient season.

The winning is just very difficult to ignore.

If he wins 67 and his advanced metrics are similar to Luka/jokic he’ll beat them out like this year.

Wemby is the guy who can get close in wins, if they’re close I agree fatigue will win out and wemby will win.

Voters are smarter than you think these days, if fatigue mattered jokic wouldn’t have finished as highly as he does. Voters are getting more intelligent

Frosty-Roof3124 [OP]

3 | 3 hours ago

Fatigue is the reason Jokic didn’t win in 2023 and 2025. It does matter

Toasted4U

3 | an hour ago

You’re right but the point is that he still stayed Top 2. Yes maybe he should have won in those years but he still placed at the next highest. If shai does the same thing he does last year its not like hes gonna drop out of the top 3 just cuz fatigue but he might not win.

XiaoRCT | Thunder

3 | an hour ago

Fatigue isn’t the reason Jokic didn’t win in 25, SGAs insane season is the reason he didn’t win in 25

Conscious_Ladder_862

24 | 5 hours ago

He has a decent chance but not sure the Nuggs will have a good enough record. Easy to see him finishing 3rd behind Shai and Wemby. Could also see Luka going nuclear if he stays healthy and making the top 3

thelastloserisme | West

14 | 3 hours ago

The anti-Jokic circlejerk really bums me out. I felt like everyone was finally getting together and celebrating a goat level player emerging before our eyes. It was fun to talk about be excited about together. I’m not sure what narratives finally started getting pushed to change that, but it’s very disheartening.

Say whatever you want about him, but the analytics tell the truth. In 25 years a lot of these Jokic haters will be talking about how amazing it was to watch him in his prime. Wish we could just enjoy that as a community.

Weary-Bonus-1552

9 | an hour ago

”goat” level player makes me lol.

forsuredudelol | Knicks

-5 | an hour ago

If he was better at defense he would be the GOAT so it’s at least worth the discussion

Weary-Bonus-1552

7 | an hour ago

“if” defense is half of the game, so thats a pretty big if.

PaleoclassicalPants

1 | 40 minutes ago

Defense is absolutely not half the game. You can play perfect defense and still get scored on over and over and over. If it was half the game, scores would be like 45-52 for a game.

forsuredudelol | Knicks

-3 | an hour ago

No shit Sherlock, it still holds true. Jokic with even Adebayo levels of defense is better all time than say someone like Kobe.

It’s not a travesty to put Jokic in a GOAT conversation, and I feel like when you get older you may understand more

Weary-Bonus-1552

6 | an hour ago

so it’s not worth the discussion then. the goat has to be good at offense and defense.

forsuredudelol | Knicks

-3 | an hour ago

Just cause you don’t wanna hear it doesn’t mean it’s not worth the discussion. Since the 2000s only LeBron has a better argument

ClickElectronic | Mavericks

5 | 40 minutes ago

That’s just too big of a gap to even entertain the hypothetical though lol. Flip it around and imagine saying something like “Gobert would the GOAT if he was better at offense”. That’s what you sound like.

PaleoclassicalPants

1 | 36 minutes ago

That’s because offense is far, far more important, and implying otherwise is either ignorance or willful obfuscation of reality.

forsuredudelol | Knicks

1 | 36 minutes ago

this would make sense if defense was just as important but it’s really not close at all

merry129

5 | an hour ago

Goat level player is used quite loosely there. Might be wrong but Jokic wasn’t really in Lebron , Jordan or Kareem talks. He was and still is absolutely on a top 20 top 15 trajectory though.

PaleoclassicalPants

2 | an hour ago

Trajectory?

He’s top 15 if he retired today.

waveshineoosupsmash

1 | 29 minutes ago

I’m not sure what narratives finally started getting pushed to change that, but it’s very disheartening.

The very blatant and public “jokic only wins mvps because he’s white” from the media and this sub having a generational hate campaign against him in 2023 are what happened. Throw in that the nuggets won the finals while the subreddit was shut down, so nobody could discuss the truly fantastic playoff run Jokic put up of 30/14/9. Well except the bitch ass mods who were still using the subreddit even though they were “fighting the power” or whatever jerk off excuse they were trying to say

zerefyagami | Heat

9 | 4 hours ago

Giannis winning back-to-back MVPs and a chip at 26 felt like the torch was officially handed to him for the foreseeable future, only for Jokić to snatch it right out of his hands.

HenrikCrown | Pelicans

19 | 4 hours ago

People got bored of Giannis playstyle and fell in love with big man point center for many years

ObiOneKenobae | Knicks

34 | 4 hours ago

Biggest thing is Giannis hasn’t spent much time in the playoffs since then. Past 4 seasons, Jokic has played 52 playoff games and won a championship. Giannis has 8 games, and he was injured for 3 of them.

MuchAbouAboutNothing | Thunder

10 | 4 hours ago

Because he didn’t keep winning. If the bucks kept competitive and kept whooping ass, the most he’d have got is haters

theyoloGod | Tampa Bay Raptors

3 | 4 hours ago

Jokic stopped winning yet people still adore him

Chief_White_Halfoat | Raptors

11 | 3 hours ago

I’m sorry are you comparing Giannis and Jokics playoff involvement the last few years.

It’s not even close to the same. Giannis has barely been involved with the playoffs.

In the three years since Jokic won they still won two series and he’s played in 22 playoff games. Disappointing but way more than Giannis.

Giannis has played in 5 playoff games in that same timespan.

Mastadge

1 | 30 minutes ago

Jokic has also had some disastrous playoff series the last few years but everyone just says ‘oh well’ and ignores it

MuchAbouAboutNothing | Thunder

7 | 4 hours ago

The nuggets have been contenders every season since they won, I don’t think they’d dipped below 4th in the west.

Under Doc the bucks finished 5th (1st round exit) and 11th. If the nuggets performed similarly, Jokic would fall out of people’s favourites and we’d hear all about his defensive limitations etc.

Frosty-Roof3124 [OP]

2 | 4 hours ago

Yes. Giannis hasn’t won a playoff series since 2022. We just saw Jokic with an incredibly flawed team (head coach/GM fired at game 80, no bench, injured teammates), push a 68 win championship team to 7 games.

Frosty-Roof3124 [OP]

-3 | 4 hours ago

No star player has won multiple championships in the last 8 seasons, so by that logic, no player should be adored.

Also, team success ≠ individual success

theyoloGod | Tampa Bay Raptors

7 | 4 hours ago

Right. So why is jokic praised yet others are criticized

Frosty-Roof3124 [OP]

-2 | 4 hours ago

Because he individually succeeds?

If you’re talking about Giannis, he hasn’t won a playoff series since 2022

theyoloGod | Tampa Bay Raptors

10 | 4 hours ago

Oh so he individually succeeds. Then you bring up a team failure

Interesting

Frosty-Roof3124 [OP]

-1 | 4 hours ago

I brought up the Bucks lack of team success to show you are wrong in your own logic that I disagree with.

This is called “arguing arguendo.” Pretty common type of argumentation.

theyoloGod | Tampa Bay Raptors

4 | 4 hours ago

Except that wasn’t my logic. It was in reply to a comment stating Giannis lost praise because the bucks stopping winning

tummyaich | Nuggets

-3 | 4 hours ago

what is this selective memory bro? i get you dont fuck with him but hes been criticized for his defense for years ESPECIALLY this postseason

MuchAbouAboutNothing | Thunder

4 | 4 hours ago

That’s not really the logic I’m proposing though.

I never said a player needed multiple championships, but if a contender for best player in the world has a team that performed as bad as the bucks have done recently, it’s going to affect where people place him on their list of elite players

Frosty-Roof3124 [OP]

1 | 4 hours ago

I was responding to the person who responded to you. I agree with your point.

MuchAbouAboutNothing | Thunder

2 | 4 hours ago

My fault dude

SalamenceFan42

1 | 12 minutes ago

He’s just been hurt.

2022 playoffs- injured and put up Westbrook splits in a second round playoff loss

2023- injured by Miami.

2024- didn’t play

2025- played, lost.

2026- didn’t play.

kingfosa13 | Washington Bullets

0 | 4 hours ago

Eh the bucks also stank in the playoffs

sanjit8103 | Nuggets

-1 | 4 hours ago

He’s barely played in the playoffs after that bruh

Iloveskinnywomen

-7 | 4 hours ago

Only Reddit & media bows down to Jokic bro is consistently never in the top 3 of most viewed players in the league because he is the most boring piece of shit to watch play

Frosty-Roof3124 [OP]

3 | 4 hours ago

Jokic has been top 5 in the most viewed players in the league each of the last two seasons. So you are completely wrong and lying.

Your premise is also wrong. Most viewed ≠ how good a player is. Popularity of team, teammates, and playstyle all influence that, which are not indicators how good of a player is.

So you are wrong in almost every possible way.

Iloveskinnywomen

-4 | 4 hours ago

He’s never been top 3 ever wtf are you talkin about. Always number 2 in mvp voting or whatever sexual thing he has going on with media but apparently can’t crack top 3 with the fans

Frosty-Roof3124 [OP]

2 | 4 hours ago

Had to edit your comment after being wrong 😭 pathetic

Also you ignored that your entire premise is wrong

tummyaich | Nuggets

0 | 4 hours ago

you’re pretty weird huh

RealPrinceJay |

5 | 5 hours ago

I find it unlikely, but I personally didn’t have him 2nd last year so I guess I’m not very representative of the general public. I personally think Wemby and SGA were both more deserving

jsanchez030

4 | 3 hours ago

Zach Lowe is going to give his case for jokic as the goat this year as he gets swept in 4 blowouts in the first round

Frosty-Roof3124 [OP]

6 | 3 hours ago

Why are you creating fan fiction?

jsanchez030

-3 | an hour ago

Why are you?

Frosty-Roof3124 [OP]

2 | an hour ago

I didn’t create fan-fiction

Overall_Bid_5973

-2 | 2 hours ago

Real. Only one player in NBA history can lose in 5 to a wolves team without its 1st 2nd or 3rd best ball handlers and still have his goons cite PRA at you

Frosty-Roof3124 [OP]

3 | an hour ago

The Nuggets didn’t lose in 5. The Wolves were not missing their top 3 ball handlers for the whole series.

You should get your facts right before typing something.

Also i didn’t soley cite PRA anywhere.

Overall_Bid_5973

2 | 42 minutes ago

oh you’re right. It’s only a humiliating loss if 3 players miss all 6 games. Never mind that terrence shannon jr and mike conley started game 6 and ato dosumnu was out after dropping 40, something he only did because of jokic’s atrocious defense.

The facts are that jokic had more MVPs than conference finals appearances and his defense is the worst of any Center on a playoff team. And yet, we’ll all see SVG call him the greatest player to ever live in 6 months. He’s given special treatment from Redditors and the media and it’s all too obvious.

Frosty-Roof3124 [OP]

1 | 9 minutes ago

How was Jokic’s defense “atrocious” if the Nuggets were an above average playoff defense against Minnesota with him on the court? You have no clue what you’re even saying.

There is no evidence to suggest Jokic’s defense “is thr worst of any center on a playoff team.” You keep saying it’s horrible, yet you haven’t given one reason or statistic to support it. Any person can make a grandiose claim; you actually have to explain it or else it means nothing

SalamenceFan42

1 | 11 minutes ago

Luka Doncic makes his man look like prime Dwayne wade every postseason with an embarrassing first round exit but is considered a t3 guy and we can’t give that grace to the best player on earth?

No_Caramel_1782 | Wizards

-1 | an hour ago

It’s so shameless. Failing every year and then begging for rewards should be embarrassing.

PaleoclassicalPants

3 | 41 minutes ago

When has Jokic ever begged for an award?

No_Caramel_1782 | Wizards

1 | 14 minutes ago

Jokic seems cool as shit. His super fans can kick rocks though.

heat_fan_ | Raptors

4 | 5 hours ago

Don’t jinx it

Direct-Departure1662

3 | 5 hours ago

If Nuggets don’t make changes they will be ass, so I don’t see him finishing top 2 again.

Prize_Ad_1781 | Nuggets

5 | 5 hours ago

I think the roster has been worse in past years

siphillis | Spurs

3 | 3 hours ago

Their competition has gotten tougher. Even the championship Nuggets would’ve struggled in the West this upcoming season

nico_juro | Nuggets

1 | 4 hours ago

There’s not a good path for it to get better

ionictime | Nuggets

1 | 25 minutes ago

I mean, we still had the 3 seed with half our starters out for the entire season. Agree the same squad probably isn’t making noise in the playoffs, but it would probably get a high seed

HandsomeGemini | Warriors

3 | an hour ago

Wemby after losing the finals could be his MVP year like Dirk in 2007. SGA will have a good shot again, especially if the Thunder have the best record. With LeBron gone, Luka will get a lot of shine, especially being in Los Angeles. And on top of that, the Nuggets may have their worst record in years. I don’t see Joker being top two in MVP voting anymore.

pfeifits

3 | 4 hours ago

Wemby, Shai, and Luka all currently have higher odds (without a game played yet). But those things tend to change once the games start.

jimithelizardking | Nuggets

7 | 4 hours ago

Preseason odds are the most pointless thing on earth. So much can change.

Frosty-Roof3124 [OP]

-5 | 4 hours ago

Luka does not have higher odds

Frankaragatan

1 | 5 hours ago

Jinx

digosilva19 | Lakers

1 | 4 hours ago

Going for the reverse Arsenal I see

dioxy186 | Bulls

1 | an hour ago

Luka has some things going for him this next season: 1) Lakers are officially his team 2) Spot light will be on him even brighter 3) if lakers somehow pull together a 50-60 win season, and Luka isn’t injured, he might win the MVP.

Shai will not win another MVP with how last season turned out.

Jokic has voter fatigue.

I think the race will be between Wemby and Luka.

HenrikCrown | Pelicans

0 | 4 hours ago

He can probably get one more win I feel like, almost a legacy MVP if he has a top 4 record team especially with the rosters the DEN FO keeps sending his way

thndrstrk | DEN

-5 | 4 hours ago

Some of those should be 1st

No_Caramel_1782 | Wizards

-6 | 3 hours ago

I think the voters are finally hip this scam and won’t reward him with any more awards until he dominates in the playoffs.

Frosty-Roof3124 [OP]

1 | 3 hours ago

MVP has nothing to do with playoff success.

And Jokic does dominate in the playoffs:

2023 playoff stats: 30/14/10 on 63 TS%

2024 playoff stats: 29/13/9 on 63 TS%

2025 playoff stats: 26/13/9 on 58 TS%

2026 playoff stats: 26/13/10 on 55 TS%

Evilfart123 | 76ers

5 | 3 hours ago

Idk about dominated in 2026 playoffs.

Frosty-Roof3124 [OP]

0 | 3 hours ago

I didn’t say he dominated every season – definitely his worst year.

But leading a series in points, rebounds, and assists on series average efficiency doesn’t stop a run of domination

siphillis | Spurs

3 | 3 hours ago

His 2025 and 2026 runs, considering his defense, were far from dominant

Frosty-Roof3124 [OP]

4 | 3 hours ago

The Nuggets were an above average playoff defense with Jokic on the court in both 2025 and 2026? Hello?

Mosh00Rider | Suns

2 | an hour ago

You didn’t watch the games if you think Jokic’s defense had anything to do with that.

Frosty-Roof3124 [OP]

-1 | an hour ago

Who was it then? The Nuggets have 0 all-defensive players. Jokic continuously grades out among the best on the team in every defensive analytics.

This year Denver was out their two best defenders.

Last year Jokic’s two highest paid teammates, Murray and MPJ, were both defensive liabilities

Mosh00Rider | Suns

4 | an hour ago

It was probably the fact that the Timberwolves had to roll out people who played for the G-League because they were so injured

Frosty-Roof3124 [OP]

0 | an hour ago

Which G-League player did the Timberwolves have to roll out? Shannon was playing every single game for them going into the playoffs.

Why are you unable to answer my question and ignoring the Nuggets’ injuries?

Mosh00Rider | Suns

1 | 32 minutes ago

Literally? Julian Phillips played in the G-League that year. Terrance Shannon Jr did also play in the G-league that year. Joan Beringer played in the G-League.

That’s three right there that were in the G-League that had to step up.

Frosty-Roof3124 [OP]

1 | 12 minutes ago

Beringer and Phillips both played 4 minutes total in the series – all being subbed in at the end of blowouts 😭

The Nuggets also played guys at the end of games that played in the G league. You’re just outing yourself for not actually watching basketball and instead googling things.

“That’s three right there that were in the G-League that had to step up” – holy pathetic. At least try and pretend you know what you’re talking about.

Every team in every playoff series has G league guys come in at the end of a blowout. Yikes

PinnacleOfComedy | Lakers

0 | 2 hours ago

They all bad defenders

Frosty-Roof3124 [OP]

3 | 2 hours ago

Then why didn’t Minnesota score a lot?

No_Caramel_1782 | Wizards

0 | 3 hours ago

No and no.

One single award has nothing to do with playoff success. Multiple iterations of the same award while being exposed on the biggest stage is the issue because it requires voters to pretend they don’t have more info.
I don’t care if a guy knows how to accumulate stats. If they don’t impact winning I don’t care. Hence, the scam.

Frosty-Roof3124 [OP]

0 | 3 hours ago

Jokic has not been “exposed” in the playoffs.

Multiple iterations of a regular season award still has nothing to do with the playoffs. That is very obvious.

You haven’t once demonstrated how his “stats” don’t impact winning.

SalamenceFan42

1 | 5 minutes ago

Jokic RAPM numbers this decade are miles ahead of anyone else barring wemby and kawhi (small sample obviously).

It’s basically Jokic, wemby, giannis, a massive gap, shai, steph, tatum another gap, then you get into dudes like butler, Luka, Cade etc where they are probably weak 1s but still 1s on a contender.

I’m not sure what the “scam” is here.

If Nikola Jokic finishes Top 2 in MVP this season, he will become the first player in NBA history to record seven consecutive top-two MVP finishes