League really said nah something is up he way too trash to get paid like that 😭

These under the table deals happen all the time. Problem is Gary played so badly there was no way to justify it. He fucked himself over. And probably us too if we actually get punished for it.

Bulls fans wondering why they didn’t intervene with Christian Felicio and Patrick Williams smh

From the CBA:

A violation of Section 2(a) or 2(b) above may be proven by direct or circumstantial evidence, including, but not limited to, evidence that a Player Contract or any term or provision thereof cannot rationally be explained in the absence of conduct violative of Section 2(a) or 2(b).

There is no rational explanation for giving him this deal after he just signed two vet minimum deals and had his worst season.

The NBA is used to doing “idiot protection.” Sometimes you gotta save people from themselves. It’s why we have the Stepien Rule. Maybe this will give way to the Gary Trent Jr. rule? Or should it be called the Horst rule?

Like you tell your wife and kids you just got 64 million, then you take a call from your boss and now you gotta tell the fam you suck so bad that it’s under investigation.

Please revoke it!

If only Chicago could have had that done with Patrick Williams

Bucks.

Bucks self reported

It was probably a team that offered Trent more than the minimum one of the last few years and he chose the Bucks because of a handshake agreement to give him this deal once they had his Bird rights through multiple minimums. 

If there is a team with a grudge against the Bucks from this summer, I think there is one obvious team. 

Lowe said this too on yesterday’s podcast

Maybe Raptors - I think they offered him more money before he accepted the vet minimum with Bucks

Wouldnt other teams happily let the bucks fuck up their own team?

Had to be a team that was able to pay market rate either this year or last and got fucked because of the deal.

Everyone lol. The owners aren’t going after the Bucks or Trent, they’re going after Rich Paul and Klutch.

i wonder if its a team that wanted to sign him but couldnt bc they got blown out of the water with this bucks deal

Miami. They probably expected to get Trent to sign for the min

29 of them

Punishment is being forced to pay Gary Trent and play him at least 20+ minutes a night so Bucks fans have a chance to see what made him worth that contract. 😂

I get the joke but I hope people realize that they are happy to pay this now as they are not competing for a title, below luxury tax if Im not mistaken and it allowed them to duck the luxury tax and add a valuable player during a window in which they thought they had a shot to compete.

How much you bet we get punished more?

Obviously.. it’s a lot smaller scope.

I mean yes ofc it’s nowhere near the same scale?

Yeah as someone posted another team complained about this. And this is useless without texts/emails.

This doesn’t require a paper trail. The CBA explicitly says a contract that “cannot rationally be explained” outside of cap circumvention is considered a violation of the rules, and that “direct or circumstantial evidence” can be used as proof.

EDIT: To be specific, it’s Article XIII, Section 2(d) of the CBA, which you can find here. It’s page 340.

I’d like to see a paper trail trying to justify that contract.

All it really takes is two simple things.

One, a better offer from some other team a couple years ago.

Two, a lack of an offer anywhere near this deal this time.

That would illustrate clearly that Trent took a below market deal followed by any above market deal from the same team. That’s indefensible without plans to circumvent the cap.

Circumstantially, his performance was so wildly out of line with this contract that it’s impossible to defend.

Keep in mind this is not a court of law. The standard is nowhere near “beyond a reasonable doubt”. Closer to “this is more likely to have happened than it didn’t”.

It feels like the Kirilenko/Nets investigation, where another team complained but there was no way of proving anything nefarious (regardless of what really happened). Nothing will come of it unless someone was colossally stupid.

This would fall under the provision that there is no other plausible explanation other than circumvention. The provision is more for someone getting clearly underpaid but the language works both directions

Yes. An agreement to take below market value so a team can afford you on the promise that they will pay you more later is cap circumvention.

First the Fat Boys break up…

We totally deserve it lol

We aren’t the only team doing this shit. Hopefully rich paul is actually good at his job. Maybe the nba should ask themselves why the bucks thought it was worse to be in Klutch’s dog house than face cap circumvention penalties

They going to post highlight clips

Nah they’ve been on our ass since Herb Kohl sold the team to people who didn’t wanna move us to Seattle.

Also getting Herro who immediately gets punched by his old teammate

NFL couldn’t have done this for the Browns huh

Yep. Just like Bogdan.

Someone’s gotta take a fall this summer and it sure as hell wont be the Clippers SMH

The Bucks are just too brazen with it.

Reddit knew something was up and were all morons

It’s because someone from another organization has to report.

Classic. If we were in LA/NY/Boston we don’t get investigated. Fuck this lizard man.

Frfr big respect. Shit would make me wanna play for them ngl.

Article XIII, Section 2

(d) A violation of Section 2(a) or 2(b) above may be proven by direct or circumstantial evidence, including, but not limited to, evidence that a Player Contract or any term or provision thereof cannot rationally be explained in the absence of conduct violative of Section 2(a) or 2(b).

When you’re in the casino and he tells you he’ll be right back because he needs to go to the ATM

Yeah this would require some kind of legally binding document, which they surely did not do… I hope… for their sake

Gary taking the minimum on a handshake deal to get paid back in future years is risky though. Glad it worked out for him, I guess