[Hayes] Detroit playing hardball with Duren might lead him to take the qualifying offer this summer. If that happens, it means he’s fed up and really wants out to the point of no return
Duren might be the first/most high profile new signing impacted by the new CBA.
You absolutely cannot give this guy a overpay deal after watching him in the past two playoff series.
This is straight from his agent.
In reality the Pistons seem pretty fed up themselves.
Haynes didn’t even say he’s fed up. He’s talking hypothetically, if Duren signs the QO then it means he’s fed up. Not that it’s what he’s currently planning to do.
Guarantee you Duren’s agent told Haynes to put it out there that Duren could take the qualifying offer.
Everything Haynes “reports” is from players and their agents. Much more than other national reporters like Shams and Stein who have sources in every team’s front office
IF his agent actually advises him to take the qualifying offer, I would “advise” Duren to fire that agent immediately. He’d be making at LEAST 26 mill less next season, with a very real risk that he never makes up that single year loss, and also a very real possiblity that his next contract is even less annual value than the one being offered to him now.
If he took the QO, Duren would have to get like a 4 year $170 million dollar contract just to break even from next season’s losses, AND he would be hitting his next contract cycle a whole year later while likely being in a worse situation that will further hinder his potential future earnings.
It would just be such a monumentally terrible path to even seriously suggest, especially for someone like him who struggled so much in the playoffs and has a history of ankle injuries.
Duren’s agent is likely an idiot. He’s Tari Eason’s agent too.
Yeah, my read on this whole situation is that his agent is an idiot who couldn’t see the 2nd apron looming. His only other nba client is Wendell Moore Jr
That explains a lot. They’re definitely not gonna pay him more now lol.
Idk, I would assume that any professional agent would be smart enough to not advise such a thing, but who knows lol. People do fail upwards all the time, and I wouldn’t be surprised if a profession that is so heavily based on “who ya know” like agents are, that might be even more prevalent.
I’m honestly surprised they’re even threatening it tbh. Just because actually doing it is such a transparently bad idea, I would think threatening to do it would just signal to the other party that you’re desperate and out of moves/leverage more than anything else.
I mean we can’t see much of what agents do so this is all guessing. But he’s now had 2 clients that lost/will lose out of money by betting on themselves.
Duran needs to have a discussion with ex-teammate Dennis Schroder. Bag fumble 101 haha
He’d be betting on himself, what’s wrong with that?
If you read the entirety of the comment, I already answered your question.
Yes, but I also think everything that has been reported regarding Duren have been coming from Durens agent. They seem desperate.
I just think in the end, the Pistons think paying Duren 40+ million per season is worse than losing him for nothing. I don’t disagree personally either. We have a spacing problem with Ausar and Duren, and if I had to keep one of them the choice is easy.
Still praying for a Duren - Trey Murphy swap with NOLA.
Why would NOLA do that? Don’t they want 3 unprotected firsts for Murphy?
I’m hoping they’ll take max Strus and a REALLY good interest rate on a rocket mortgage loan /s
When it comes to Joe Dumars and Troy Weaver. You can never predict what they will do
Only reason they’d do that is because Weaver has a weird thing about collecting centers and he drafted Duren. I’d still put chances of it happening close to zero. Weaver loves his centers, but he really loves centers who should be out of the league already. Duren had a rough post season, but he’s not out the league rough by any stretch
Waiting for Joe Dumars to remember he’s Joe Dumars
You would hope an all-nba center could fetch at least three firsts on the trade market especially when most big names are now gone
Detroit is being threatened with a good time right now.
Pistons know that Cade has a lot more to do with the team’s success than Duren
I wouldn’t say they’re “fed up”. They just aren’t interested in paying him \(40+ million, and credible reports said his agent began negotiations at \)47 million AAV, and Detroit reportedly said the highest they’re willing to go is $35 million, which I still think would be a crippling overpay unless he learns to shoot 3’s or defend at an elite level (neither of which are likely).
35 mil a year is worth a swing hoping he can improve he is still young.
47 mil tho thats having a laugh
I agree. Contract lengths aren’t long. But $47 would basically put a low ceiling on the next four years and likely lead to Cade asking to be traded because this team is uncompetitive.
Pistons have made it clear that their main focus is re-signing Duren. They’re just not going to give him any more than they absolutely have to, because they want to sign Ausar to his extension as well.
I really think most of the noise is just Duren’s agent being an inept negotiator who couldn’t see the way the wind was blowing with the new CBA
It also could just be an empty threat
No reason for Duren’s camp not to just say they’re willing to take the QO, regardless of if it’s the actual truth
I don’t think they have to be worried about overpaying when even the Nets and the Kings are staying away.
The Kings FO is salivating over him. They don’t have cap space so have (always) had zero route to acquire him without doing something stupid.
Not even a sign-and-trade with any of your expiring contracts?
Why would the Pistons do that.
Because Duren sucks!
So they could then potentially flip that for something else? I mean I don’t think keeping an important starter who doesn’t want to be there is going to improve their chances at a title.
No one’s flipping Zach Lavine man
What about the long-forgotten DeAndre Hunter lmao
Remember when he was a big pick up for the Cavs?
him and lonzo ball would have bridged that analytical to practical gap for them
deandre hunter and caris levert are two of the most lowkey overpaid bums of the era.
The kings can’t offload those guys, the pistons won’t be able to either. The whole point of these negotiations is to avoid a terrible albatross contract. All the kings have to offer is terrible albatross contracts
Can’t they trade LaVine (expiring) and/or Sabonis (who certainly has suitors) to lower their payroll?
Trades usually require two teams agreeing to terms.
What do you mean I can’t demand they take my Albatross contract!?
Are they the only two teams left with cap room?
The clippers have cap space if they want but not enough for Duren. All the cap space is gone .
Kings will absolutely max him, or at least pay him significantly more than the pistons will. The only problem is they have no cap space until next year where they will have at least $43 million (or more depending on their holds). If Duren takes the QO, I’m going to assume it’s because he has something lined up with the Kings or another team.
How much of that is he giving back in taxes?
Kings wanted to arrange a S&T reportedly but Detroit declined. Either they really want to keep Duren, or they wanted to see if Sac would emulate LA and send some first round picks in return for him.
Lakers did it.
Yea im reading this like, “Didn’t the Lakers just do exactly that with AR?” Lmao
There are only a few teams with cap space, too. Gonna be a rough game of musical chairs if you’re not the right fit with few suitors.
He’s literally like 22 right?
He also might be the first all NBA player to completely shit the bed in two playoff series.
Like I’m not talking about a star player going cold and missing shots they usually hit. I’m talking about looking completely lost on the floor both offensively and defensively.
Yeah the only reason DET is playing hardball is because Duren stunk it up in the playoffs. If he had played like he did in the regular season, he’d likely have already signed a max deal.
if he takes the qo offer the pistons wont hold back about benching him when it matters for paul reed next season if duren dont improve. hell they doing that already.
Yeah if Cam Thomas took the first Nets offer they wouldn’t have been so quick to bench him.
Sure wouldn’t have released him
Qualifying offer offer
It’s been a rough off season, but Paul Reed will make things better.
I like the guy, but you can’t seriously challenge the east with bball Paul being your starting center for a full season.
That’s where Tolu Smith comes in
Benching Duren would be a good idea for him too if he has a handshake deal with a team dumb enough to max him in free agency (like my Kings). Duren removes most injury risks by being benched.
Kings can’t give him a Max this year or next year lol
You’re right, \(44 million a year isn't a max but it's much closer to a max than what Detroit is offering. \)44 million is our realistic cap space next year by the way.
Yes, bet on yourself with 10M for 1 year, or get a guaranteed 30M+ for 4 years.
The bet is to get 40M+ for 4 years after that
The final net gain from that is like +$20M over the course of 5 years, while taking on huge injury risk.
It’s not just injury risk, there’s market risk as well. Who will have the cap space available, AND be willing to spend it on him. He’d have to have a really nice playoff run next year to get someone to max him.
There’s no real risk there actually. Because the Kings are seemingly the only team that’s interested in paying Duren a max contract. And the Kings do actually have the cap space available next year to offer a max contract to free agents. So if Duren gets a handshake deal (like Gary Trent Jr.) with the Kings, then taking the QO is a good idea.
Not sure where this logic is coming from. Massive risk across the board…injury, market, etc. Handshake deal for 200mn and they’ll honor it after he gets injured and/or reverts back to his previous 3 seasons in the league and/or shows once again he’s not up to the task in the playoffs? Ok. Of course it is the Kings though so…
Yeah the money doesn’t add up for the QO at all. It’s generally not a smart financial play. The only reason to do it is if you want to leave the team ASAP, unrestricted.
Which is what Greg Monroe did back in the day. I don’t think Duren actively wants to leave Detroit and the positive situation he’s in now
or he could get a season ending injury this year with no security
That’s the bet
Depends on if there are teams that have that amount of cap space and then you have to prove that you are worth that as well lol. I still don’t think this dude is worth 40+ .
Would be extremely dumb to risk 120M for a chance at 160M when the potential downside is an injury that could derail your entire career.
Imo Duren is one of the more overrated players in the league. He is a pick and roll/rim running big who entire offense game is reliant on Cade playmaking for him. He has no post game, mid range, 3 point or playmaking ability. His defense is average at best in the paint and bad on the perimeter. He is a good rebounder but that isn’t worth 30 to 40 million a year. I think Cade is good enough to elevate any average big man into a solid starter which makes Duren expendable imo. I rather spend money on finding an actual number 2 option that can create their own shots and be a playmaker.
Yea when you breakdown their game like you just did, most Laker fans wanted Kessler over Duren because of the skill set.
And mainly defense. The stats show Kessler as a premier rim protector while Duren flatly isn’t even close and as we saw, can be picked on. That’s the real stiffler imo on why the Pistons don’t wanna pay him. Your center has to be a good rim protector in today’s NBA or at the very least a floor spacer like KAT and he’s neither.
I never understood the laker fans who wanted Duren when they already had the OG Ayton on the roster at a fraction of the price
Ayton is 27
Because Duren tends to show up every game, which if Ayton did, he’d very easily be a 25-30M+ C.
The Lakers wanted Kessler over Duren. I’d believe that if they offered that same package to Detroit, they’d have probably taken it.
Detroit would have taken that in a heartbeat if offered 😂
Granted, I think Cade (similarly to Luka in this regard) can really elevate any big man, so if we’re basing it off of skillset, etc. Kessler is the better choice anyway
I think Duren is a 12⁄10 guy on a team with an average PG.
It’s more about 44m a year for Duren vs 32m for Kessler. I’d take Kessler in this scenario. Pistons are trying to negotiate something between 35-40m. If Duren gets paid 35m a year, I’d prefer him on this salary
Kessler brings more to the defense and rim protection while matches up better with the beastly Cs in the West. Plus, he has shown signs of a 3 ball and playmaking in the short roll. Both are great rebounders. I’d take Kessler at the same price and said the same thing before we got him.
I mean, Kessler is a better defensive player but Duren is a lot more skilled a player overall
I’ve been a Pistons fan since the 90’s. This take on Duren is perfect, IMO.
He’s talented. But he’s talented like a poor man’s Amare Stoudemire, which bigs who can’t shoot outside of the paint and are mediocre defenders aren’t in great demand in 2026.
Cade is a player that elevates the play of all those around him. Just look at what he does for perimeter shooters - they all have career seasons logging minutes next to him. Same for Duren.
But Duren plays better when Cade DOESN’T play…..
If you look at the games where he had 30+ points, one was against a healthy Cleveland team that you can genuinely say was impressive. The others were against tanking teams, or teams who’s center rotation was injured.
I bet if we look at his minutes without Cade he plays better. That has looked consistent all year
Show me, then. Good sir.
Most of them coming against teams like the Wizards, Pelicans, Nets, etc.
My guy let Jakob Poeltl pull 18 boards lol
I mean, Poertl has had a lot of monster rebound games when he doesn’t have to move around a ton. He still sucks tho
He has absolutely zero instincts. Thats not changing. He’s big, good for lobs, probably a walking double double in the regular season.
But crunch time & playoffs he will become a ghost. Rebounding, defense, postioning… he lacks those killer instincts
Agreed on Cade making him look better
He played like a star when Cade Cunningham didn’t play tho. So I dunno how he’s dependent on Cade.
Sounds like you care more about the sample size of regular season games where he played well against a lot of bad teams without Cade. Not sure how he expects to be paid like a #2 option when he played so poorly in the post season. I believe that is what front offices are considering which is why he has not found a deal 3 weeks into free agency.
I mean, when the number 1 option was out he played like a number 1 option
Not saying a non top 3 center should get paid in this era, imo no non top 3 center is worth it. We do this every year where we say they suck after a playoff series, then they get a better matchup and more used to playoff ball we say that center is so good again, or they get a bad matchup and we say that center sucks again. Allen comes to mind here, but there’s so many examples of this every year.
But he was better without Cade than with him. I dunno if Cade actually makes him better given how difficult it is for Cade to handle the ball.
How old is he? Cuz you’re paying for potential growth. He’s already grown as a player and the idea is he’ll grow into the contract. 30 mil probably isn’t that bad in the grand scheme of things.
I think you summed it up nicely. Duren is great on the right contract but it’s a guards league and a true second playmaker/scorer is more important. Yes I know Wemby is going to be a dominant force, but iCastle and Harper are the pieces who really make the Spurs dangerous.
Ok but what if he’s cut up like coleslaw
Jalen Duren’s QO would be about \(9.5 million. My guess is the pistons would like to sign him for around \)25 million and he would like to sign for around 30-35 million.
So he would need to “make up” for the missed $16 million + the additional 5-10 million he’s hoping for.
It’s not happening. This is him trying to use leverage he doesn’t have. He’ll sign with the team for less than he hoped and still way more than the QO and people pretending otherwise are delusional
i think you’re projecting pretty low for both parties..
I think the Pistons are probably offering 30M and JD wants 40+M
My point still stands. Actually my point would be even more accurate with those numbers because then he would be hoping to make up $21 million lol.
My dude just has no leverage. He’ll be back with the pistons on 25-30 million/year
He still has some leverage, because he can just “bet on himself” which puts the Pistons in a terrible position. C’s are simply very hard to come by in free agency, and so the possibility of having a team that just had the #1 seed put their short-medium term future in jeopardy is obviously unappealing.
I doubt Cade is out here thinking: “Man I get that we shouldn’t pay my guy Duren.” He wants to win. Every year matters.
Bro just take the damn money. If you have a long career you will make plenty regardless
He can absolutely make that up.
Suppose the Pistons offer is 100M/4y, no player option, 25M/year.
If he takes the QO at 10M, he needs to make 30M/y on his next contract to go even, and anything more than that to be a net positive.
You don’t think he can find a 35M+/Y contract in the FA market? When teams *know* that he’ll be unrestricted?
It sounds like he’s already been offered \(30m-\)35m, but wants $40m+
My numbers were a little lower than is being rumored. (Likely being offered 30-35 but wants 40) But the principle remains the same. If he gets injured or shits the bed in the playoffs it will be hard to make up that money and he’ll have given up on over 20 million!
He is not taking the QO
I’m not taking less money than Walker Kessler lmao. He just played 5 games last season
My numbers were a little lower than is being rumored. He likely already was offered at or slightly above Kessler’s numbers (which everyone agreed was an overpay).
My point remains: no way he’s taking the QO and giving up over $20 million.
Dude should just take the bag he’s offered. Seen way too many bag dropper stories recently.
I want to bet it’s an agent issue. In the old CBA, Duren would have been given that contract no questions asked. Overpaying wasn’t so detrimental to team building. Now there’s a massive market correction going on preventing all these guys from getting the bag and these agents aren’t sure what to do
Reminds me of Nerlens Noel. Got offered I think 70m from the Mavs, he refused it, didn’t get any better deals and ended up accepting the qualifying offer. All the drama plus the fact that he didn’t end up playing all that much the following season diminished his value greatly.
Later in his career he got a decent bag from the Knicks but nothing near what the Mavs initially offered. Moral of the story - just take the damn money because “prove it” deals rarely work out
Nerlen’s was an injury prone big and he rejected that contract after coming off 8⁄6 with 2 stock season. Duren has been incredibly healthy and just had an All NBA Season where he was an All Star.
I get the point is that he might end up fumbling the bag, but he is on a completely different trajectory than Noel, and the only reason he’s not getting the contract he wanted is because he had a really shitty playoffs. I thought Noel was an idiot for turning down his contract because he was an okay player. I can at least understand if Duren thinks he can continue to improve his game.
They said this when Ayton wanted to leave the Suns and they matched the Pacers
Difference is no one is even offering Duren any money, which is why they are at a stand off. Pistons is holding firm on their offer, and Duren can’t find a single team to beat the offer. Duren is probably begging for the 177⁄4 contract and I’m guessing the Pistons is giving him something like at maximum 140⁄4.
Probably can afford to lowball him right now tbh
Seems about right and crazy to think. Had one really good regular season (mostly just lobs) in 4th year in the league then completely flopped in the playoffs….this dude
Imagine the Pacers had maxed Ayton instead lmao. That’s your cornerstone from 2022-2026 instead
Has any team ever dodge a bullet like that?
Pacers, they almost maxed Olidipo but he for forced a trade.
Another one Bucks Emptied their roster to give a big offer to Jeff Teague Atlanta matched They ended up with Middleton and Jrue Holiday instead.
Teams saw what happened to the Suns.
History repeating with plodding Pistons big men? This exact same scenario happened with Greg Monroe and Detroit in 2014. He took the QO and signed a max contract with Milwaukee the following offseason.
The big difference (and why I ultimately don’t think Duren will do it) is that the Pistons were terrible then. This current team is a great situation for him, and there’s so much more money on the table in today’s NBA, even if it’s not the max deal he wanted.
Coming from a Pistons fan - Duren should get paid less than what Wendell Carter Jr gets paid after getting outplayed by someone he should have been feasting on.
I’m fine letting him walk sign Ausar to an extension around 30m a year and builde around Cade and Ausar
I said this around the time of the news that the Kings wanted to trade for him and got like 20 downvotes and clowned on in the comments for saying he might take a qualifying offer and bet on himself to get a better contract next year.
this obviously isn’t conforming he will, but it’s not as crazy as it sounds.
the 2nd apron is a hard cap. The owners wanted a mechanism to save them from themselves. The downside is players that teams drafted and developed, and that fans of that team are attached to, will be on the move more and more like the NFL.
Paying Duren what he wants will hinder them. That pick n roll with Cade works wonderfully in the regular season and will allow Duren to get some numbers. But when that gets taken away in the playoffs again, he will looked lost again on offense and have it affected his overall game again.
Letting Duran go will also hinder them though.
Im not gonna lie, I really dont see what people do in Duren.
The general consensus is not much different than what you see or the pistons see hence why he’s in this situation
I agree now, but ive never seen it.
Did you watch pistons basketball?
Yea. He’s just ok to me lol. It’s funnynI wish I could show text messages i have with people before the playoffs. Then during the playoffs i just kept sending”wow…what a stud” lol
Just sign the QO
lol he has no market. I wish more teams play hard ball like Detroit is doing.
I will react to this when it happens. This sort of reporting is comical to me.
“This might lead to the other thing which would mean ‘that’ and if ‘that’ happens then it would signal a different thing and that is something big.”
It’s all so silly.
Turning down at worst 35 a year for 4 years for a one year 9.5 Qualifying offer would be insane and malpractice if his agent tells him to. If I was Durens parents and he does that I’d want to strangle that agent lol.
One crazy injury and you could cost yourself all that money is wild
Dude did it to himself with that playoff performance
His value will probably tank again, dude needs to take his 30 mil a year and consider himself lucky lol. Maybe only do 2-3 years if he wants to bet on himself.
Even if he takes 4 he’s only 26 or 27 and in line for a huge payday again if he has any faith in his further development or maybe he’s planning on being exclusively a lob threat and playoff flop the rest of his career
Yep. If you’re a small guard or a non playmaking/creating center you should not mess with your money when it’s there…I’d protect myself from the downside over going for the extra 10 mil per year every time.
I’d rather they use that money for another ball handler and put even more shooting around cade. They can put anyone at center and cade will almost certainly make them better
Before those couple of slightly above average playoff games at the end of a bad run for him Piston fans were ready to boot his ass anyway
i can’t think of any slightly above average games from him this playoffs
I guess i should have said average but you get my point
Off the top of my head, I think he was good in the closeout game against Orlando. Also good in Game 6 against Cleveland.
Duren gives me shades of Hassan Whiteside.
They’re not even comparable players
I think it’s a completely fair comparison. I’m assuming you didn’t watch Hassan in his prime.
Duren is more like the offensive version of whiteside. Whiteside had an absurd amount of blocks but it didnt result in wins. Christian wood might be another one lol. Pure offensive talent but ended in nothing
I think you’re correct completely. I think Duren is the better offensive option, I think Hassan’s offense that one year or two span was actually slightly underrated but his defense was actually majorly overrated due to the block numbers. I just think Duren could follow a similar route, it’s hard to be a center with no jumpshot in today’s league. Duren could very well be a center that has benefited from the team he’s on having shot creation and playmaking to open his game up, but I do not actually see him being an allstar more than the once he already has, maybe one more. I think he got put in a perfect opportunity and the seeding put him in the ASG, if they weren’t the 1 seed in a weak East then I’m not sure he gets it.
Hassan had a great standout season in 16-17 and a lot of people thought he was becoming a franchise player but slipped back into mediocrity after his contract was signed and became a journeyman shortly after.
I watched every single one of his games last year and I think he’ll go down a similar road.
Hasan was a shot blocking defensive center who was bad on defense. Even with his high block numbers he wasn’t that good on defense and most people knew that. Duren was literally the engine of the offense for a quarter of the season while Cade was down. This is not a good comparison.
He actually had his best season after signing his contract
Hassan was a lazy asshole. Saying your 22 year old all NBA Guy reminds you of that guy is rough from a fan base. Show him a little respect lol
Duren once went 19 games without blocking a shot, but at the same time averaged 22⁄12 when Cade went down and carried our offense.
It’s hard to get a read on him.
Trade him to the Pelicans or Kings then
At this point packaging him up for Murphy not that bad of an idea if Pels would take it without requiring too much more…add a lob threat rim protector at center through free agency…problem is all that’s left on the roster for this season is Reed
He’s not risking that
What team next summer has the cap space or the ability to create space to sign him next summer to the contract that he wants
Kings have $90 million in 1st apron space next year
Don’t think you can just add up til the 1st apron, that is luxury tax spaces, what is the cap space? I’m guessing a large part of that is players you don’t want back.
In terms of actual cap space, Kings can have $44 million just by letting Lavine/Hunter walk and stretching Derozan’s contract as expected.
So that’s already more than what Detroit wants to offer Duren.
DeMar had 1yr/25ish mil left. Would be stupid to stretch instead of just eating it this year and be done with it. Plus, it would’ve already been reported if they were gonna stretch, the transaction went through
That’s best case scenario and even then it’s \(9 mil a year more for 3/4 years but has to pay higher taxes, and only it's only available if he takes a \)26 mil discount this year.
It’d be an insane thing for him to do
Kings can open up the space pretty easily. Nets will have it. Bulls can also easily open up max space. Probably other teams that could as well.
For the wizards, it depends on what we do with AD (and what he does).
If we don’t extend him, and he walks. Then we have space. If we trade him for an expiring (aka Butler). Then we have space. If we extend him, trade him for longer salary, or he picks up his option. Then we don’t have space.
Pretty sure, without him on the books we’re at about 120m; so, about 60-80m under the cap depending on how much it rises and if we sign Bilal to an early rookie extension. And that’s with like 13 of the 15 roster spots already claimed and most on either rookie or cost controlled deals.
Which team can offer him the max contract next summer?
When Lavine comes off the books next summer I’m pretty sure the kings can.
best scenario for them might end up being a sign-and-trade. There is no way they’ll take a disgruntled Duren on a qualifying offer. It’s a bad look for the team and it’ll affect the vibes in the locker room. Players value each other based on how much theyre making.
no way he takes the QO
At that point it’s lose lose, he’s not going to get paid what he wants and another team will get him for cheap
what is the benefit for Duren? surely a 1+1 would have more AAV
It doesn’t necessarily mean he wants out, it could just mean that he’s willing to bet on himself, prove he’s worth more than they’re offering, and then negotiate from a position of greater strength because the Pistons would lose matching rights on opposing teams’ offers. Of course, that would require Duren to sign with a team with enough cap space to give him what he wants so his options would be pretty limited and possibly non-existant.
Okay?
I mean it guys! I’ll really do it!
cool. duren for jarrett allen sign and trade. send it in
Lots of RFAs make lots of noise about signing the QO.
Very very few actually do.
Buddy must not have seen the last few guys who took the QO get offered even less the next season.
I feel like there could be a middle ground here where he signs 4 years, $35 million per year, but has player options in years 3 & 4. Get the guaranteed money, but still the option to bet on yourself if you improve the areas needed. He’s still so young he can improve, the team locks him in at least a few years, and no hard feelings lingering into the season.
The least they could do for Duren is sign him to a one year deal that is above the qualifying offer.
It doesn’t happen a lot, but it has happened.
That’s what the Knicks did with David Lee and Nate Robinson in 2009.
He’s stupid af leaving out 100m on the table. Anything can happen
Dude isn’t as good as Walker Kessler , who cares. Detroit will probably overpay because they’re poorly run. Shame
Duren is just this offseason’s version of Kuminga?
By the way, how is Kuminga not one of the greatest examples of agent malpractice in sports history. What in the world is Kuminga doing either getting paid or getting to a team where he can showcase whatever he can do to eventually get paid?
Maybe not the point of no return, just s significantly smaller return for the year.
The entire time I was watching those series vs Orlando and Cleveland I kept asking myself “what does this guy even do?”. He can’t shoot, can’t dribble, isn’t a great passer, isn’t a defensive presence… every time he touched the ball he looked uncomfortable and it was almost always an automatic turnover.
If these reports are true, then the Pistons should definitely get rid of him because if he looked at that performance and still thought he was worth the max, you don’t want that dude in the same Zip Code as your team, never mind the same roster.
The team that wants him (Kings) will have cap space next season, I assume he is willing to bet on himself and is confident enough they will pay him next year to do it.
So why hasn’t he signed it then?
Sign it or stfu
If he signs it you make a move for a big and make him C3.
Haynes just saying shit
Oh Duren you fool. You aren’t worth the max. Just take the QO.
But what good is that going to do, if he’s not worth the max? Does he suddenly become worth the max next summer?
I think the whole league is seeing the Pistons aren’t like super into the idea of paying him much. Clear cap space, sign him to a 177⁄4 and you can likely get him in a sign-and-trade. No one is bothering though.
Maybe get better and play like a max player if you want to get paid that
Will the Pistons have the necessary cap-space next season to trade for the obvious upgrade, Wendell Carter Jr. ?
Same conversation different player. The players union should really fight to get rid of RFA. The process sucks.