I think 19 years is possible and retiring at 40 is possible.

Kerr and Steph both have 2 years left on their Contracts.

I mean his health gave out like a decade ago, dude’s back is shot.

Crazy he tried coaching through that back issue he had years ago, that looked like it was gonna be a longterm problem too

Its been what, 12 years?

Not arguably. Brown is a completely different coach offensively. Night and day. He was getting relentlessly clowned on this sub not that long ago. I think people forget the potato head memes.

It was common to see him called the worst head coach in the league.

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There’s a lot of thing PG has done.

One thing he hasn’t really done is got a coach fired. He’s a coach’s dream because of how easy he is to fit into any lineup.

In fact, it’s been over a decade 5 years since PG was on a team that had its coach fired. Which is extremely rare in this era.

If we’re still fighting for the playoffs and the Celtics season is mid, yeah probably. Deadline swap for Jimmy’s expiring.

we won 49 games with a not good roster thanks to vogel. he got scapegoated hard and the roster we had the year after would’ve looked even better under him. budenholzer was genuinely bad and according to nurkic bud had some personal issues outside of basketball

Frank Vogel is the Gregg Popovich of Quin Snyders

Yes, but Snyder looks like an 80s action movie villian, so he gets a pass.

Fr. It seemed like they hired him for defense and to help take Ayton to the next level, then they trade for Wall, and ship out Ayton and the defense. Then on top of trying to have him coach a team built just for offense, didn’t want to bring in a point guard.

Apparently the front office has no say in trades now

A good fit for him, especially if the FO is patient and gives him job security.

I’ve long considered Vogel to be a defensive-minded version of Kerr or Carlisle.

Each of Kerr and Carlisle have the incredible ability to build unique offenses that maximize the strengths of each member of their respective rotations. Both guys create pretty unique offenses that play better than the sum of pars and are really difficult for opposing teams to deal with.

Vogel has the same ability, but on the other side of the ball. It’s really impressive. Vogel is comparatively lacking when it comes to offensive scheme and should have good offensively-minded coaches on his staff. But that’s also practically just the opposite of Kerr & Carlisle having really good defensively minded coaches on their respective staffs.

Even if Vogel isn’t in the running to eventually replace Kerr, a coaching staff with both Kerr & Vogel is exactly the duo I’d want to squeeze any last bit of juice out of the Warriors’ roster. They should be able to cook together.

he might never be in the right place at the right time

He does have a ring as a HC.

He does have a ring.

I guess you could look at it that way if you want, but the Pacers, Lakers, and Suns all found out that the grass was not actually greener without Vogel.

I think the part where he deserves blame is that he’s not the best at getting guys with egos to play the way he needs them to. I think it’s a skill he needs to develop to get to the next level.

Vogel coached the 2015-2016 Pacers to 45 wins & a tough fought 1st round exit in 7 games. That team was led by Paul George in his first year back from snapping his leg in half, prime George Hill, rookie Myles Turner. Everybody else was a scrub or washed. Considering the context, that was a good year & Bird should’ve built the team up from there with Vogel.

Instead, Bird enforced his arbitrary policy of keeping coaching tenures down to just 3-5 years. He refused to renew Vogel’s contract. Instead, he promoted Nate McMillan to head coach and proceeded to make other stupid changes too, such as trading prime George Hill for Jeff Teague (which was way dumber than it might sound at first glance). The result? A regression back to 42 win team & a 1st round sweep.

After the regression, Larry Bird tried to deflect from years of his own mismanagement by trying to convince ownership that the team was 1 AD away from contending, which just wasn’t true. Ownership didn’t bite and Larry Bird was forced out, but Bird had already sold PG on the idea. So of course PG then asked out that same off-season.

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One could argue that Larry Bird fucked over Vogel (& the rest of the team) halfway through the 2013-2014 season. As the Pacers were running away with the 1 seed, Bird decided to: 1) sign Andrew Bynum; and 2) trade Danny Granger away.

• Bringing Bynum in destroyed Roy Hibbert’s confidence, which had the knock-on effect of causing David West crash out with Bird. And because Bynum predictably couldn’t stay healthy for the playoffs, it was a deeply net negative move.
• Danny Granger’s departure constituted a major leadership loss in the Pacers’ locker-room; he had been a very vocal leader through that contention window and was Paul George’s mentor.

Hibbert with no confidence; pissed off David West; Paul George without his mentor; and a young Pacers team with no Danny Granger to squash petty beefs before they spiraled out of control. Just a total shit show that plunged the Pacers into a bad place.

The team dropped enough games that Miami got back into the race for the 1-seed, but the Pacers did manage to barely hold Miami off. In round 1, though, the Pacers nearly lost to a terrible 8-seeded Atlanta squad. Indiana was down 3 times in that series: 1-0, 2-1, and 3-2. Finally pulled it out in G7.

Somehow Vogel rallied that broken locker-room deep into the ECF against Miami, where they lost in 6 compared to the previous year’s loss in 7. It felt lucky that the Pacers even made it that far given the mid-season fall from grace, but really the ‘13-‘14 team should’ve been even more competitive. They had experience, a chip on their shoulders, and the 1-seed/home court advantage. Larry Bird just *had* to fuck with a great thing, and he sent things off the rails.

Then that off-season, one of the few things we can’t blame Larry Bird for happened: Paul George snapped his leg in half at Team USA camp. The collapse of the ‘13-‘14 team + Paul George’s injury sets the stage for everything I explained in the first half of this post.

Interestingly, Vogel led the ‘14-‘15 Pacers to 38 wins. Paul George only played in the last 6 games of the season because of his leg injury. Two seasons later, Nate McMillian had a fully healthy/recovered PG yet only managed to squeeze 4 additional wins.

Bird was pussy and fired him over the phone for a “more offensive approach.” Then he hired Nate McMillan.

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Doug is nowhere near as good

What makes you say that 

In this case though he’s literally assistant head coach

I understand that reference

don’t remember that, but it was probably trauma purged from my brain.