Not sure if this math’s out fully, but this Jaylen Brown - NYK Carmelo Anthony comp is pretty eerie.
Being compared to Melo during one of Melo’s best seasons but also being called a clearly better defender is a good thing.
Lot of comments here seem to think otherwise.
Yea I don’t see this comp as an indictment at all? lol seems like a lot of people on here never watched melo play. His issue was taking plays off on defense, shot selection, and ball hogging. But when he tried he was amazing, and actually usually outplayed LeBron when they played head to head. Plus nobody claims JB has those issues, they just say he’s secretly not actually good.
JBs problem is ball hogging and bad shot selection.
And lousy team defense. He’s a bad off-ball player offensively and defensively.
Is it though? I don’t recall him having the ball too much being a problem when Tatum was on the court. I feel like everybody’s negative evaulation of him is based on last year and that’s just not who he has been as a player. Nor who he would’ve been if they kept him or he’ll be with the Sixers
As a Cs fan for my entire life and watching Jaylen for 9 years, yes his issue is simply when the ball arrives in his hands, unless he’s surrounded by 4 very smart playmakers (Tatum, white, Jrue, horford)
- Sometimes he’ll get the ball during an action, and he’ll pause and iso shake down his opponent. And then he’ll reset it back and pass it back to the point if he doesn’t like the iso. Shot clock running low, possession killed and now Tatum Prichard, etc are taking a tough shot.
- Someitmes he’ll force his way to the paint and put up a tough shot. Sometimes he loses the dribble but he makes a lot of those first step past initial defender pull up shots. This is Jaylens bread and butter, and while it wins regular season games, as soon as you introduce dudes like VJ on defense with tough interior defense behind them, it gets ugly really fast.
- Sometimes he does know how to flow in the offense, but it’s not sustained. Through the course of the game he doesn’t have the ability to maintain a high enoguu BBIQ to play unselfishly. Some games he does really well but through 9 years it’s just not sticking.
So yeah, honestly Jaylen is a really bad ball stopper and a lot of the time during the playoff runs where we won it all, I would say to myself “thank god, Jrue has the ball”
Jrue knew to not pass it to Jaylen during certain stretches of the games and would find Tatum horford or white off actions. Seriously though, if you go back and watch those games, Jrue holiday was the Celtics mvp and knew when to keep the ball away from Jaylen.
I’m one of the few Celtics fans that’s actually like…. Not even a little upset with the return. I wanted Jaylen gone as soon as Tatum got injured.
Jaylen brown is just a tough player to build a contender around, even if he was cheaper. Cs got lucky with Jrue Holidya and imo deserved FMVP jsut as much as brown. I think Jaylen is a very good piece when he can be the main defender of a very high usage forward that doesn’t have a quick first step, aka Luka. It was literally a matchup made in heaven for Jaylen on defense, and I’m not going to discredit his FMVP performance, but Luka is one of the only guys in the league where Jaylen is just a really good counter. I personally think the FMVP and these other accolades have seriously bloated Jaylens ego and others opinion of him.
We shall see what happens.
This is an excellent post and I’m not at all surprised you didn’t get a response. People on here don’t care about basketball like that they just like seeing points.
It’s partly why I stopped making comments like that. People are up for arguing hot takes and misinformation but the second you drop some knowledge, they immediately lose interest.
I think JB is a ball hog but if you don’t think he’s a ball hog idk why you wouldn’t think he’s a good player. He’s good at pretty much everything else
The problem is you only get denoted as a “ball hog” when your possessions start ending in worse outcomes than if you’d passed the ball.
JB’s issue is that his mistakes (TOVs, shot selection, reads etc) scale up with his usage, I’d imagine pretty linearly. And he’s a high usage player. He is good at everything else on paper, but that’s not the full picture. There’s a reason there is a significant gap between JB and shai rn.
I guess, but he gets way more assists and is more efficient, so I don’t think it’s as big a negative as it was for Carmelo.
He gets more assists because we play in an era with more pace so there are more possessions, and in an era with more ball movement and shooters so there’s more rotation and space to pass to. JB is what I call a really good second passer, so when JT is actually playmaking, generates an advantage, and then the ball starts swinging around the Celtics players, JB is really good at making the read off of that play and hitting the right pass.
But I watched JB this season, and man does his iso ball look ugly. The guy thinks he’s MPJ or something half the time. Unless there’s a mismatch or an open player one play away he’s generally not going to try and skip pass or drive and kick to the corner, he’ll just take the shot. Which is really unfortunate because I remember him being really good on the offensive glass in ‘24 championship, but you lose a lot of that benefit when you’re the one taking most of the shots.
Also JB is more efficient but everyone is more efficient, and JB has pretty bad efficiency relative to his peers who are paid as handsomely as he is. Do you have JB and Carmelo rTS numbers by chance?
Career JB is 57, Carmelo is 54. But that season melo was 56. So closer than I thought.
Is that true shooting? I was asking for relative TS to account for era, in which case it might be even more damning of JB.
Jaylen is 0 or slightly positive, Carmelo was -1.5-2.5%
Damn that actually surprises me, I thought TS was generally up since the 2000s and 2010s
Brown averaged 7.5 ASTp100 this year. In that Melo season he averaged 3.7 ASTp100.
Agreed. I don’t think the guy in the clip (going strictly off the clip) was trying to denigrate Melo or JB. It felt like an earnest comparison attempt of Brown with another former All-Star.
But how can we expect someone to compare two players without having an agenda of trying to trash at least one of those players???
Your comment seems to imply that his issues weren’t that big of a deal and that when he tried he was amazing. I think you are right pointing out his issues about lack of effort, shot selection, and ball hogging- but I think you fail point out these issues were a huge reason he won 1 playoff series in 8 years with the Knicks. He was never about the team, only about Melo. No team would ever succeed with him as the main guy. Billups literally said Melo was happier scoring 30 and losing than scoring 15 and winning, or something to that effect. If that billups quote doesn’t tell you all you need to know about Melo then I don’t know what would.
You’re an idiot. Knicks didn’t win any playoff series because they didn’t have a good roster whatsoever. Not because Melo was deficient as a player.
lol so he doesn’t get any blame for leading a team to 30 wins a year for like 5 seasons in a row? Come on man stop it. And take it easy with the insulting- it’s not that serious
It’s been over a decade since melo’s prime. I’d guess the average commenter was in elementary school at that point. It’s just hive mind
Those 3 issues are exactly why people say JB is overrated lmao
Melo rarely outplayed Bron when they went head to head (maybe out-score/out-rebound, but not out play) but I agree with the rest of your comment.
Melo is overhated in this sub. People act like he took 100 shots and missed 90 on a good night.
My family had (near-unfettered access to) season tickets when I was in HS and college, from around 2010-2017ish. So I basically got to see Melo play live 10-25 times a year for well over 5 years.
So please believe me when I say, even putting his college accolades aside, anyone who says he is not deserving of being a first ballot Hall of Famer is just plain stupid. He’s still one of the best Knicks and best overall scorers ever.
Dude the HOF announcement thread on here was ridiculous. People act like he was shit and not worth a spot in the nba
I feel like most people on this sub didnt watch him play until he was over the hill in his rockets/blazers days. and somehow forgot what he did like 5 years before that.
Sometimes I think it’s because he’d probably never pass the rock to them at a pickup game and that evoked some kind of memories for some commenters. This sub seems to have a very strong reaction to every player deemed a ball hog
Guys with his game were just going to age poorly looking back when entered the analytical era of the NBA.
I’m not sure why Melo in particular seems to be the second most poster boy for this (Westbrook is very clearly 1), but it’s happened to a lot of players. Looking back at them through the lenses of if what they were doing 10, 15, 25 years ago was in the 2020s.
It’s moronic to be clear because I feel like my post reads like an excuse for the idiots.
It likely has a lot to do with… anytime there is a take that is adjacent to something he is critiqued for, his goofy podcast has a clip reacting to it? Westbrook is just living his life. Carmelo has some goofy clip comes out clowning on analytics people when the narrative switches there etc.
Westbrook has playmaking value and did more for an offense than be a play finisher. Melo is the poster boy because he was the best player in the ‘scorer with little else of value’ archetype.
Especially because he actively demonstrated his score first, team second mentality with the whole J Lin situation as well as the ‘they want me coming off the bench’ comments.
This sub hates melo
I would argue even the OP take is underrating Melo, because his “identical” 28.7 PPG was in a scoring environment where teams were averaging like 20 fewer points a game.
With Melo’s usage you could expect 7ish more points per game out of him.
Indeed. There werent a lot of 20pt scorers then and he scored near 30
He’s not clearly a better defender though. He was in the bottom 5th percentile in the league for DDPM.
“He’s comparable to a Hall of Famer and MVP contender who was one of the greatest scorers of all time, except he’s actually a better defender”
r/NBA: “LOLOL what an insulting comparison for JB”
Melo also never won anything in the NBA (unlike Brown).
The Celtics are focused on winning it all, and it can be fair to say Brown is a really great basketball player, who isn’t the sort of player who can help you win a championship.
But again, the Celtics won a championship, so what the fuck do I know.
This is what happens when too many people spend time blindly hating. Nuance leaves the conversation and they forget what is real
I don’t think he’s clearl a better defender, that’s Melo being underrated defensively and JB being overrated
Thats all missing the point anyway, its not even to actually compare them as players, but to point out the polarizing public perception of those guys despite their great seasons. I distinctly remember the narrative of “Melo is selfish, he’s just a scorer not a winner”
Melo led the league is scoring in a lower scoring environment
Melo was not very efficient. I think it was always a knock against that Knicks team, and why they were never a real contender.
I don’t think anyone saw Melo as a winning piece. So, this is why I think this is not a positive comparison. This makes JB looks like a guy who can put up numbers, but won’t win you anything. But I don’t think that’s an accurate description of JB.
Jaylen much more dynamic off ball than melo ever was. JB deferred his entire career and melo never had to.
Melo was also way better as a scorer. Like, on another level. 28ppg in 2013 was different than in 2026…
Scored more and was noticeably more efficient relative to era than Brown, I wrote sbout this in another comment not too long ago. More comparable to Tatum as a scorer
It should also be noted Brown put up those numbers as the second best scorer on his team, as opposed to Melo
Wtf is this stupid take lmao.
I mean melo was really good that season not really a bad comp
The Melo hate is out of control
reddit fucking hates melo
one of the players you can’t expect any level it reasonable conversation about online. like harden
That’s because I’m willing to bet 70% of this sub never watched him play
Most people active here don’t watch any basketball even now.
Tbf he’s always had his haters. I’ve been watching the NBA religiously since 02 and the detractors were always there with him, fair or not
a lot his haters come from the situation with lin, a lot of people didn’t like him but that actually gave them the extra ammo they needed
Also forcing his way out to go from Denver to New York. It was one of the first examples of the player empowerment era right after the Heatles.
A lot of his original hate comes from the ROY race between him and LeBron.
His playstyle was put under a microscope and compared to LeBron’s from the very beginning.
that was definitely the first wave, there were a lot of ppl who thought he should’ve won it as well
Melo averaged more points, more rebounds, less turnovers & shot better across the board. He also had a positive +/-. Both were drafted by 17 win teams and Melo got his to the playoffs immediately. Both had solid role players as their supporting cast with big Z on Cleveland being the only former all star.
This thread was talking about Melo’s haters but this is actually what made me a LeBron hater lol I’m over it now but it blew my mind back then how everyone swore bron was obviously the best rookie when that just was not the case
Yeah I hated Bron for a long time because of Melo. No one liked Bron in my school when he was drafted, they hated the hype lol. Melo was the cool one.
I was a detractor since the Melo Drama situation in Denver. When that started up, I really took a look at his game and concluded he was a stat stuffer volume scorer and a bad locker room presence trying to force his way off the team (and as a Raps fan I looked very dimly on this given the Vince Carter exit happening just a bit before).
All of this to say, you are correct that he had his detractors (right or wrong) for a very long time (I’m proof)
He was always a tier behind the truly elite guys of his era and he tried to hero ball too much. He deserves some of the hate tbh.
Not just that, but 2018-2020 Melo was full of ego. Wanting to take more shots than he should and refusing to come off the bench. He could have been much better if he could have accepted a smaller role.
He finally accepted a bench role in his final two seasons but in terms of his reputation it was too late, and redditors made up their mind of who Melo was.
You give Houston era Melo the brain of Portland era Melo he’s a serious bench threat for a championship caliber team. The mentality hit him a little too late and by then his body couldn’t do it anymore.
I watched Melo play, am I allowed to hate him?
I feel like people defending him never watched him play lol.
I saw somebody say a few days ago “surprisingly Harden’s analytics were/are pretty good”
The fact that even needs to be said
I mean I’m one of the biggest harden haters in the world and even I know that mans game translates well to stats. (I just think he plays basketball as ethically as a mayor runs Newark, NJ.)
reddit also loves Jeremy Lin and thinks the Knicks should have built around him instead of Melo lol
Redditors are prolly composed of 90% who were born in 2010 lmao
I think it’s a demographic thing. There’s a ton of people who only really ever experienced his twilight years and not when he was actually really good, and basketball discourse has already proven time and time again how in-the-moment it tends to be
I’ve been following Carmello since he beat TJ Ford in the NCAA championship. Offensive black hole with no defense has been my take on him forever. His reputation is earned. The unfortunate thing is he was cable of much more. We saw it on Team USA where he couldn’t do that and he was awesome.
Because so many people here haven’t actually hooped before. Melo is your favorite hooper’s favorite hooper. You can see it from the respect he gets from his peers compared to the respect he got from the media. To score at all three levels like he can is such an insane skillset.
1 on 1 god. I can respect that basketball players swoon over them, but it doesn’t always translate to 5v5. Kyrie had similar issues as an OMG handles guy that people put over Steph due to aesthetics despite not being as valuable a player.
Hakeem might be the big guy version of that, but he translated like crazy to 5 on 5.
Melo showing his real talent in USA basketball is something I can’t forget
Somebody please stop these fucking dorks
This ain’t hate. JB and Melo are both great players who anyone would take on their team.
I feel like im taking crazy pills, did no one watch the video? There’s no hate it’s just Skeets exploring a better comp for Jaylen Brown than “Rudy Gay with PR”
except the celtics and the other teams who wouldn’t trade anything more than george and a pick lmao
Wanting JB on your team is not the same thing as being willing to trade a shit ton of assets to Boston
Melo needing a super max and gutting the Knicks is why that trade wasn’t more successful. Actually pretty comparable players Sixers at least didn’t give up much. Similiar to Melo maybe Browns crime is he was at best the 10th best player in a league and probably not that, media darling/hate child so compared to much more talented peers unfavorably regularly, and came during an era that is moving(moved) away from their styles.
Paul George just seems to appear in some of the most random places
Sprouted right out of a corn field in Indiana when Granger got injured and took 2013 Heatles to 7 games.
I was chillin in the nosebleeds of conseco for like $10 for game 6.
Game 6 of the 2025 finals cost literally $1k to get in the door.
That 2013 team, and series with the Heat, is what got me interested in basketball again after a 10 year hiatus. You had that 3rd year beansprout given the reins and carrying the team, doing 360 windmills, out of nowhere destroying people. Prime Roy Hibbert that we never saw again. Bunch of cool, good looking role-players in David West and George Hill, and of course Lance Stephenson doing AI crossovers and spin-moves 1 play dazziling your mind, then the next play throwing it out of bounds and tripping on his own feet, while blowing smoke in LeBron’s ear and playing the banjo.
All coached by Larry Bird, no smiles. 10⁄10.
I sat behind Heatles bench that year, when they played the Bucks in the 1st round, for 150 dollars per seat, with 2 friends. Could hear LeBron talk. Wild compared to today’s prices. Top 3 Yank memories.
Larry Bird didn’t coach that team. Frank Vogel took over as interim head coach (and really turned things around) in I want to say 2011-2012
Larry was president of basketball operations though. He used to sit about 8-10 rows back in the corner (just low enough that you could ask him for autographs at timeouts but he’d only sign ticket stubs)
One of the most surreal memories of my youth is handing my ticket stub to Larry fucking Bird to sign
This is rad thanks for sharing
Damn
He and Teague man, they’ve seen it all lol
He was the go to player to trade for in those earlier 2k days.
And these days.
Fuck that mf and his perfect hairline at 36 and getting the most insane contracts (in salty)
Paul George? He’s got two first names!
Yeah it’s crazy.
Remember when he was on the Celtics when they won Banner 19? Wild
People are lost. This man is a Finals MVP LOL
A Finals MVP of 20-5-5 on not-so-great efficiency
The most “Well we have to give it to somebody” Finals MVP
I’ve seen several better performances in Finals losses
With 44/23/73 shooting splits, woof
Crazy that Tatum was even worse offensively, yet the Celts still rolled the Mavs.
That Celts team was just so well rounded.
He wasn’t worse offensively he just shot worse. Tatum draws more defensive attention and is 10x the passer Brown is
Not a JT fan at all, though this offseason is making me a bigger one, but he lost that award cus his standards are way higher; it’s easier to please people at JB’s talent level
Yeah that’s fair, and a fair number of people felt that way at the time when Brown won FMVP.
It is still quite amazing that both Brown and Tatum shot the ball terribly in that series, and the Mavs still couldn’t make it competitive.
Guys like White, Horford, Jrue, and game 1 Porzingis made up for the Jays (RIP) lack of efficiency.
helps that anyone not name luka forgot how to shoot lol
The “You Guarded The Other Team’s Best Player” FMVP Award. Also known as “The Iguodala”
What’s funny is Brown only guarded Luka for 22 of his 125 shots, the Celtics rotated 1-5 and doubled Luka throughout the series.
Compare his Finals MVP numbers to Tony Parker, JB has shit numbers for a Finals MVP, weak af for a “Superstar”
Yup, that Finals MVP should have just been given to Brad Stevens for signing Holiday and Porzingis tbh. Built a team where it was difficult to lose with.
That really doesn’t mean anything like I don’t think anybody thinks he’s ass he’s just also not on the caliber of the upper echelon of superstars
The way people are talking about him I definitely think some people think he’s ass
I just think it’s how ppl talk about nba players from what I see people think he’s a superstar or complete buns
You’re not wrong but I absolutely hate the state of NBA discourse where this is 100% correct lol
also a player can go from one to the other over the span of one game
I don’t think he’s ass, but I do think he’s overrated as hell by some people
Those who are ignoring all the evidence that he’s not as good as his raw numbers suggest and that he greatly benefited by being on those Celtics teams are just being intentionally obtuse
Ofc it means something. This sub is so ridiculous lol.
It means something, but that guy is saying it doesn’t mean he’s automatically better than Carmelo (or other guys w/o that credential). And he’s right.
Come bro whats next, youre gonna tell me Andre Iguodala wasnt the best player in yhe finals in 2016?
/s
Wasn’t he top 5 in MVP votes this year and led his team to a 2nd seed in the East this year without his No. 1?
If that’s not Superstar effort and performance then nothing is
guess where Melo was in MVP voting that season and what seed his team was
Melo was a definitely a star (superstar) at one point
Close, he was 6th in MVP votes
Could have been higher too depending on how the injuries / PTO for Cade and Luka were handled too since they were 4th and 5th respectively.
There’s plenty of teams that achieved in the regular season for example Donovan Mitchell and I don’t consider him a superstar but I’m also not going to act like the Celtics roster is complete garbage. Jaylen Brown is a very good player but he has very big flaws too.
And yet, for the nth time in a row, his team had signicantly better +/- numbers with him off the floor.
so what? he’s not a better player than Melo was at that point if that’s what you think
So was Andre Iguodala
You mean future HOFer Andre Iguodala?
Seems like you’re lost. Carmelo > Jaylen Brown to this point. Not really even a debate.
This sub has a hate boner for Melo, so don’t hold your breath…
Nobody gonna hand Iggy 60 mil a year. This accolade means less with every comment someone uses it in Browns favor
Just my no dunks doods making a good comp. That’s their job. Carry on.
TBJ represent
I completely forgot about these dudes. I used to watch the starters all the times back in the days
They never stopped, just changed names and locations. They just celebrated their 20th anniversary early this year!
I do miss the unique charm of the starters. Four guys who genuinely love basketball, the meme team, Leigh Ellis and his “very solid play” along with his crazy basketball trivia.
No Dunks now fyi
The pod is still good!
I remember I started watching them when they were the Basketball Jones and did their daily video pod out of that downtown apartment in Toronto, back around 2009-2010ish, when it was just Skeets and Tas on camera. I’d watch them every day while eating lunch. I also remember reading Skeets and Tre when they were blogging on various sites before that. I haven’t listened to them in a long time though, so I’m glad to see they’re still making content.
I remember when Trey left his blog to join - I think it was “ball don’t lie” and it was huge in my world. I always thought he was a much more clever writer than on air personality but either way I’m happy to see they’re still doing it. I wonder what the Free Darko guys are doing now
I remember getting The Macrophenomenal Pro Basketball Almanac in hardcover as soon as it was released back in 2008, and also really loved Bethlehem Shoals writing about each episode of The Wire as it was airing. Their blog was something magical at the time, and the comments were absolutely top notch, which was exceptionally rare for basketball blogs at the time. Ball Don’t Lie, Hardwood Paroxysm, Basketbawful and Free Darko were the shit back in the day.
I loved that show. I really miss Leigh Ellis.
No Dunks is BY FAR the best NBA Podcast in the game.
The pod is appointment listening for me!
Literally I would listen to it every morning during the regular season haha
Yes! I knew the voice sounded familiar but I couldn’t pin it until he said the starters. Although I stopped shortly after they became the starters, was a regular TBJ listener in my college summer landscaping days
Right, I was just thinking, “I might have to listen to a few No Dunks episodes.”
Man has a point
A brilliant man
This is honestly hilarious.
fun comp from Skeets but it’s not taking stat inflation into consideration. Melo’s 28⁄6 is more like 32⁄7 today?
Was about to say 28.7 pts in 2012 is a lot more impressive
Of course it was. He won the scoring title that year.
I’m also pretty sure he’s intentionally not mentioning any efficiency numbers lol.
Advanced stats actually are pretty kind to Melo that year as far as I can tell, which is the opposite of Brown.
People calling the comps bad don’t know who Melo was. He was 3rd in MVP voting that season.
Brown was what 5 6 this season ?
Melo is a hall of famer and one of the greatest scorers to play the game, and people are really acting like this is some insult. Wtf?
76ers gonna get eliminated by a Celtics team led by Paul George.
Sigh. If not Paul George, it will be Kawhi.
“Led by” is probably a stretch but I legit think this is one of the most likely outcomes of their season. I’m praying for that Celtics-76ers 3-6 matchup, absolute scenes
As soon as it’s no longer the Boston media’s job to defend JB, this is the result
Two of them are Canadian and the other is a Bulls fan. They now are based out of Atlanta, Georgia. They have nothing to do with the Boston media.
Lmfao this is bullshit and you know it. Since when is No Dunks Boston Media? There have been conversations about JB’s advanced stats for years, you just weren’t paying attention until last week
The ol Boston media mafia
Said she need a ring like Carmeloooooo
Melo is better than JB. Comparing numbers and efficiency across different eras is stupid
Some similar situation but what’s about the analytics of melo that season. Was he the 7th best player on that team, was the team be winning 70% of the games without melo and what was melo’s plus and minus on and off the field
Per on-off, Pablo Prigioni was the Knicks’ best player that year.
Checks out.
prigioni literally saved the knicks season, they were mediocre to bad before he got the starting pg spot and the knicks completely changed the way they played and got to the playoffs because of him getting significant more minutes. melo ball was much rare when you have two pgs at all time in the court. plus prigioni could actually run the offense which felton was not as good as.
any knicks fans who actually watched the games knows prigioni was the most impactful player on that team because of how he made the team as a whole played different and much better.
this comment was an interesting read
The Knicks averaged 7.5 yards per play when he was off the field and 5.4 yards per play when he was on.
Melo was better that season. Teams were scoring way less back then. Melos 28.7 was more valuable. Efficiency wise they were pretty even, which also was harder in 12⁄13. Bad comp IMO.
Half the comments in this thread: “This is insulting to Carmelo”
Half the comments in this thread: “This is insulting to Brown.”
Yea, surprised how polarized it is gor one or the other, feels about 50-50 split.
Knicks were the 2nd seed? Interesting. Didn’t remember them ever being that high, thought it was Bulls, Hawks, Pacers, Raptors, maybe Celtics behind Miami constantly during the LeBron Heat era.
Bulls were actually ahead of the heat for 2⁄4 years.
Yeah. Those D-Rose teams were scary.
Definitely good but also a product of Thibs running the team into the ground for 82 straight games.
Everybody focuses on Carmelo getting the 1 first place vote that kept Lebron from unanimous MVP and ignores that he was still 3rd place in MVP for a reason.
Yeah, and the reasons are lbj and Kevin Durant
LBJ was great on a dominant 66 win heat team. KD was great on a very strong 60 win okc team. Melo did great on a 54 win Knicks team, so much so, he was voted ahead of CP3 on a 56 win clips team and kobe. Lbj had wade and bosh, kd had russ, cp3 had blake to share limelight with, Melo didn’t have anyone comparable and the knicks win 54
nah fuck that melos offensive game was miles better than jaylen brown
SKEEEEETS!
No dunks is great, go follow them on YouTube or via podcast if you aren’t already. Daily shows on the NBA. A very fun group. They were formerly the starters on NBA tv
At the end of the day the biggest problem was Brown qualifying and being given the supermax. He’s not a supermax player and in the age of apron hard capping teams that extra 20 million he makes per year, costs you a starting calibre player and he’s not good enough to warrant it.
JB as a 30% supermax player is arguably worth it (especially when tatum isn’ta 35% player). As the 2nd 35% supermax player, it can be harder in an 2nd apron era
Boston doesn’t have a treasure trove of picks and good young players like some earlier celtics teams.
I feel so gaslighted by this Jaylen Brown situation he literally won a finals MVP and now everyone is calling him not good? Lol
No one is saying hes not good.
Yeah few people are saying he is not worth a 25% max contract the argument is Jaylen Brown worth a 35% max contract he will ask for in the Apron Era, which is basically a hard cap.
Thrown in depth mattering more than ever is he worth the extra 10% which is $20 million and can be turned into 1 good player and potentially 2 depth players.
There are so many people saying he isn’t good. You don’t even have to leave this thread for some examples
Were you around in 2012? Melo was good, and at least equal to Brown.
Where in the video did they say he’s not good? They compared Brown to an outstanding player in his best season
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People aren’t saying he’s not good.
People are saying he’s not close to the 7th best player in the NBA. And given he’s got the 7th biggest cap hit this year, that means he’s overpaid.
people continued to do their usual Jays Co-Existing circlejerking after they successfully won the NBA championship too lol very bizarre, alternate universe stuff
Except JB was a winner
melo was good af until we realized he isnt winning anything… i think wade and bron winning also affected this
This brings me back to playing the Knicks/Melo back in nba2k13. Shizz was fire back then
Carmelo Anthony, but with much better defense is like saying Chris Paul but much taller. Or Shaq but shoots 85% from the line.
You took a HoF player with a glaring weakness and fixed the weakness. This is a huge compliment.
I think this is a great comp for brown. Both are the kind of secondary star you need in the playoffs but not the best primary
Love JE skeets and love to skeet. Can go wrong
That was a very good nuance take on both stars at the similar stage of their career.
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The only thing he got wrong is Jaylen being much better defensively. Jaylen is one of the worst off-ball defenders I’ve ever seen play.