Skit is hilarious

Well too bad because that’s just Deway of Daroad

He’s like the LeBron of those guys

arent they significantly cheaper than brown?

He is but it masks that he’s a similar archetype. He scores on Ok efficiency and that’s it lol. He’s a bad passer, rebounder, turns the ball over a lot and is a bad team defender (ok on ball tho) 

I agree. But I also think Brown is way closer to prime Derozan and prime Ingram than other star wings like Tatum, PG3, etc. And way, way worse than the ATG wings like LeBron, KD, Kawhi.

But he’s compensated like all of them.

It’s funny to me because Reddit laughed at the Celtics the last 2 times they maxed him, and Reddit basically always viewed Brown as the most overrated player in the NBA. But now he’s suddenly slept on ?

“  The difference is he’s not at \(40 million [salary] -- he's at \)60 million!”

Thats not what the dude was saying.

Derozan brought the Raptors to multiple great seasons before flaming out in the playoffs. That is what Jaylen Brown has done as a number 1 option.

Why? As a first option I would put him squarely in that Ingram tier of player

So is Bradley Beal, but that doesn’t mean that they are worth the contracts they signed/will sign. Jaylin Brown for 75 million a year is crazy. 70% of the cap on 2 wings will not work. You need 13 other players and vet minimums are minimums for a reason. 

He’s better than them, but he’s not 30 million dollars better annually. And those aren’t highly sought out even on cheap deals.

It’s 100% a money thing, especially if he gets that two year extension.

Feels like the media is trying to comfort the Celtics from the return they got by shitting on Brown when the facts are they tried shopping this man for Giannis and no one had a gun to Steven’s head when he gave out that contract to Brown.

PG’s age, health, and contract are issues, granted, but one thing I think worth noting is that he still put up 17.³⁄₅.³⁄₃.6 with 1.7 spg and a 39.2 3pt% last year… he’s not the player he once was, but he’s not a scrub either. If he can put up these numbers next year and Hugo, Scheierman, Pritchard, Hauser, and Walsh all play more minutes, the Celtics actually become a better 3pt shooting team with better distributed usage.

correction:

If the Clippers aren’t a top 7 playoff seed in 2028:

• One first round pick & one pick swap.
  

If the Clippers are a top 7 playoff seed in 2028:

• One non-lottery pick in 2028 and a second, likely non-lottery, FRP in 2031.
  

If you factor in the PG price it could amount to one swap and two seconds.

JB basically won the FMVP singlehandedly off that one clip of him breaking luka’s ankles and then posterizing kyrie and gafford simultaneously

With how much people brought it up I thought I was misremembering and he dominated but it was just a fine performance. 20.8-5.4-5 with 2.4 stocks and 2.8 TOVs. 44/24/73 shooting splits.

It’s crazy how the FMVP has factored into this whole conversation. This:

Fascinating piece from MacMahon. It really seems like the media MVP voters got it very wrong:

Is just the flip-side of:

How can he be mid, he was a finals MVP?

They’re both wrongheaded in the exact same way

It’s a dumb award. Tatum deserved to win.

Not as egregious as Iggy, but still really bad

“Anonymous Boston GM: All my homies hate JB” 

Do you really think all the GMs ( supposedly 2 SEPARATE ones), Executive, analysts quoted by various “insiders” since 5 days are the Boston Celtics ?

It goes hand in hand. He’s overpaid for how good he is. If he was an actually top 10 player they wouldn’t trade him

Anyone refusing to acknowledge to context of Jaylen Brown being the 6th highest player in basketball next season when discussing how teams may value him are just being willfully ignorant.

everyone knows he is overpaid. the question is was it better to ride it out the remaining 3 years? or to throw him away for scraps just to pay paul george the same salary for 2 years instead?

either way, brad gets the blame for giving jaylen that contract in the first place.

The fact that the best offer they got was a 1st round pick (the other 1st was to dump PG’s contract) should tell you what front offices think of brown

The answer to your question is no. Because that’s not what that quote is getting at. At all.

You swap Brown with prime Ingram or DeRozan on those teams and it’s probably the same outcomes yeah

Absolutely

Would have loved it actually

no thanks lol

Yes absolutely. Give me him and his contract on my team please

If the price was similarly cheap, like Wiggins and a first round pick, then sure. We don’t do spacing anyways. We have no money though, so no

100%

Depending on what was given up of course, literally every fan would have said yes before everything happened. But now it’s cool to hate on the guy so those same people will say they never would have wanted him on their squad lol.

Because here we are. They’re doing their jobs, which is almost as much about getting eyeballs as it is covering the sport

Wdym? This was an absolutely baffling trade from my perspective as a fan, so I would like to hear the men involved give me some perspective on why this happened.

I don’t understand why you think we don’t want this content

I want this content. I love hearing all this after years of boston fans trying to convince me that Brown is better than Luka.

It’s useful to understand the return that we got and the fact we were totally fine trading him to PHI.

Because they have THEIR analytics, just like the NBA teams.

The media doesn’t have to theorize what people want. They pull up the backend of their website and just look it up.

Why wouldn’t you want to hear what other GMs around the league think? Most people were baffled by the trade. I want to hear why it turned out this way.

Obviously no GM is going to want to be named but this is about as candid as it gets.

I mean, every fucking one of these posts are the highest upvoted ones on this forum despite each one saying the literal same thing. The idiots on this forum DO want this from the media.

The theory is that NBA GMs (except for one) blackballed him by refusing to trade for him because he was outspoken about ___?

Please fill in the blank.

Was it him whining about a leaguewide reffing conspiracy against him and the Celtics?

Comparing a situation where a guy is viewed as analytically overrated and not worth the contract he wants to a situation where a guy got run out of the league and blackballed for his political protests is insane and, respectfully, dumb as shit

Josh Harris owns the team that traded for Jaylen Brown.

I mean analytically they aren’t wrong

Care to elaborate?

Standing up against racism isn’t the same thing as being overrated and overpaid

Not at all. Jaylen Brown is good at his profession.

Crazy take lol. The NBA is the most overtly pro black league in the world. How is it some issue of discrimination or black balling when he’s getting 60m a year.

Insane take. Kyrie has done more than what JB has ever done in regards to that and he still is fine and gets paid big money

JB also is not out of the league and is getting paid? Like what is this comparision. If JB had good analyics to be worth his overpriced contract he wouldn’t be getting this stuff said about him. He’s just overpaid and not a top 10 player to be worth the contract.

Keep in mind that a lot of tanking teams last year will no longer be tanking, so I’d expect a lot of top teams to have lower win totals even if they haven’t actually become worse teams. I’d certainly expect Celtics to still be somewhere in the 50s in regular season win count but I think the true measure of this trade will come from observing their and the Sixers’s postseason performance.

Yes. I will literally bet money on this. At least 56 wins, and a better playoff finish, are both more likely to happen than not in my evaluation.

Hard to tell, but I think he’s quoting someone else there.

Yeah, exactly. These anonymous GMs are full of shit. If push comes to shove and Jaylen was put on the market, they would totally trade the farm for him.

Wait…

This is all media shit stirring, analytics have him at around the 30th best player itl. No one actually believes he’s a completely negative player. The issue is that his reputation is outsized and his contract is massive because of that. The Celtics also have a well run offense that supposedly runs slightly better without him.

Lets be fair, GMs arent calling up MacMahon just to shoot the shit about Brown.

It’s basically the whole league (at least, the front offices that make roster decisions) that feels this way, and the feeling isn’t new.

Do you hate screwdrivers?

Do you hate calculators?

Do you hate the dashboard on your car?

Analytics isn’t a philosophy. It’s just a tool to give context. Just numbers.

I’m having the opposite reaction lol, the analytics guys are clearly right about JB (relative to contract) and this sub’s luddite reaction is annoying.

The ominous 2023 CBA having greater ramifications than they initially thought.

Also with how contracts were at the time, if they didn’t sign it, there was a good chance he walked.

He seemed to still be improving at the time. His defense didn’t fall off a cliff until after the extension. When the deal was signed, the Celtics probably thought that even if it was a bit more than he was worth, he’d be a good trade asset that would net them a strong return if they sold high at the right time. Obviously that turned out to be wrong.

Jaylen’s 3 year RAPM for the 3 seasons before he signed the extension rated him as the 84th best defender in the league. His 3 year RAPM for the 3 seasons after he signed the extension has that defensive rank drop from 84th to 727th. His off-ball defense has just become untenable for a winning team. He completely blows up their scheme now.

The eye test doesn’t favor him that much either tbh. Shaky handle, kind of a black hole on offense, and not a good catch n shoot player. But yeah, it’s mostly about the money and the media needs to just say that.

This sub does not use the eye test. This sub is filled with mouth breathers who just go by points/rebounds/assists.

99% of this sub can’t watch the NBA without following the ball the entire time.

The problem is the “eye test” people never actually study film in the ways required for their eye test to have any value. If you spent 2 games following Jaylen Brown off the ball last year, you’d see that his off-ball defense was a fucking DISASTER.

I watched him expecting it to be and based on the numbers and I was still shocked at just how bad it was. It was like he was going into the corner and taking a nap there. The first or second action the other team did, he’d already be lost and giving up an easy bucket.

The analytics say Jaylen Brown is a bottom 10-20% defender in the league and the eye test actually makes him look worse. MF’s just follow the ball while having a few beers though and think that makes them experts over the best statistical tools available.

Yup. If you are a neutral assist/turnover ratio that is hard to build around for some teams.

And high usage players are always criticized more.

Actual film watchers don’t like him either, he doesn’t do any of the little things that don’t show up in the box score.

But because he has a good highlight reel, casuals say he passes the eye test.

To add to this, multiple things can be true. You can understand that Jaylen Brown’s contract is not good value relative to his output. I think I speak for all of us, even C’s fans like me who love Jaylen Brown, that OG and Mikal on ~\(75M combined is a far superior team building setup than Brown earning \)60-65M. I wouldn’t argue with anyone who thinks either of the two Knicks players alone is a better value proposition. The idea of trading JB isn’t an irrational one by any stretch.

You can also believe, at the same time if some of these redditors can imagine, that this trade is fucking horrible. You can believe, despite all the noise and speculation from TMZSPN and their army of tabloid writers, that the real reason this trade occured is that the Celtics assisted themselves in creating unfavorable market conditions for trading their star player, backed themselves into a corner, and capitulated to themselves and the rest of the league to the 76ers’ benefit. Considering the reporting that you’re citing in your comment, this seems to be more probable than some bullshit locker room tension or private equity mandate.

None of these things are mutually exclusive.

28 other teams thought it was a fair trade - otherwise on of them would have offered more.

Either he’s a steal and every other team apart from Philadelphia is stupid, or he’s worth less than this general consensus coming from everyone besides those making decisions at NBA front offices - who ALL failed to bid higher than Philly

Most of the gms in the league are awful. If you only take the playoff teams and that is already including 8th seeds that tend to just be there at random because enough of the league is tanking… more than half of the GMs roll out a bad product.    

If they had a chance to draft JB or a player similar they would spend their lotto pick in a heartbeat. The only downside is JB is paid a ton and the new CBA crushes teams for having two maxes and change. But pretending like he didn’t play his way to that contract is asinine. Which is why all these stories have a similar structure of saying the media don’t know ball and JB shouldn’t have been voted in for a finals mvp and all-nba.    

He also has 3 years on his contract. The extension talk doesn’t even have to happen and they assume he will still be good enough for an all-nba resulting in a second huge contract. 

Yea - Unlike Luka, Brown was known to be on the trade market for months and apparently Stevens felt that this is the best offer the Celtics got.

Maybe Stevens could have waited but it sounds like the relationship became untenable. I’m shocked the nets didn’t trade for him if this was the ‘price.’

The elite propaganda of the newfangled and totally made up analytics stat: +\-

They factually and objectively have been better without him on the floor. That’s inarguable lol

Right the numbers and GMs are all lying and your eyes are correct. There is a reason teams didn’t want him.

So the Sixers are… not dumb? That’s hard for me to swallow after the last decade of chaotic regular season success, postseason failure, and off-season drama following the process days.

…You think people who looked at analytics never said Jaylen Brown was overestimated?

I did, and there were plenty others too. People just responded, “you dont know ball.”

they absolutely have. Boston got roasted for giving a huge contract to a guy who can’t dribble

Many people (including me) have said this same thing about Brown for a while.

I was saying all season he was overrated and did not deserve all-nba or mvp discussions.

Saw others too, maybe we got downvoted so you never looked down there but it was there.

People have been calling brown overrated for years, but people like you just ignored us and claimed we were idiots. Now the entire league has proven they universally share the opinion and y’all are acting mad and calling it a conspiracy because you didn’t care to hear it before lmao.

So, because a coach used the word analytically in a dumbass way, analytics are bad?