Jaylen Brown’s limited handle and subpar ball security bled significant value for Boston’s offense, JB led the entire league in TOs
All of this recent analysis of Brown’s game makes me wonder what role would optimize his value to a team.
Arguably we’ve already seen it, since he won FMVP. But maybe not?
Playing next to Maxey and VJ seems like a good start
As someone who turns over the ball over? Or as someone who probably doesn’t want to play off ball as much now?
Brown is one of the best off-ball players and regularly did so with Tatum
Brown is not a very good off-ball player
Yes he is??? That’s one of his defining characteristics with how he cuts and his catch and shoot jumpers. Celtics fans mad fickle lmao
They are crazy. Lmao
If browns ball handling is subpar. How the hell did he manage to become as successful as he did?
By playing Off the ball.
Exactly lol. I’m being down voted but it’s a good reason why they worked without Tatum.
No, it 100% isn’t one of his defining characteristics. In the 2026 regular season cutting made up 1.4% of his plays(!!), spot-up made up 14%, off-screen makes up 7% (that’s actually fairly high, 2 possessions per game).
All of these together barely make up a higher percentage of his shots than just isolation (20%)
And he’s way below average efficiency on cuts and on spot-ups
Cite what you’re saying
Rival fans that have shit on Brown for years trying to gaslight us into thinking Browns underrated off ball
I’m really not mad at all at the guy I’m responding to if they like JB and think he’s capable of more movement shooting than the 25-26 season, or if they got their opinion from someone else who was lying through their teeth
But the misinformation has to stop somewhere, and saying Brown is a cutter is just insane. Jordan Walsh will virtually cut 10x as often playing within the same team offense
A lot of people seem to be trying to prove the idea that advanced stats are lying by just.. lying that JB does a lot of effective stuff that he doesn’t
He is serviceable at best, calling him “one of the best” off-ball players is just disingenuous. He is simply such a great finisher and mid-range shooter that the majority of his points (especially under Mazzullla) can and have come from his own creation and tough shot-making, turnovers and all.
I’m just some bozo casual fan, but imo Brown has never been good off ball. Brown was at his best when it was a your turn/my turn offence with Tatum. I’ve watched probably around 2/3rds of Jaylen Browns games for Boston, I would personally say the 2024 season was pretty much the only time that your turn/my turn game style worked, and it was because we had a crazy stacked offence.
But again, I’m just a casual fan that’s been pretty frustrated with Brown for a lot of his career. 2024 was crazy tho, loved him that year
As someone who took 56 games with a bunch of nobodies. Also he has a clutch gear.
Brad said it himself the 56 wins was fluke. Won 3 total games against the top 3 from each conference and a lot of teams tanking . Personally I attribute the team over performing to Joe and his developmental staff helping pretty much every one of our young guys take massive leaps this year Jaylens mentorship probably has something to do with that too. But his play style, barring the first couple months and especially for the last third of the season and playoffs, was untenable
Brown’s FMVP is, IMO, basically the same as Iggy’s in GS or Kawhi’s first one, in SA. In each case, the series was an incredibly impressive showing from the entire team, but no one really separated themself as the clear-cut best player (and in the case of GS and BOS, the team’s clear star didn’t play to form). So the award ended up going to the most consistent performer who had the toughest defensive assignment (Bron for both Iggy and Kawhi, Luka for JB).
Except Curry was actually still the clear-cut best player in 2015.
No, LeBron was
Right but if you read comment and context it obviously means on the warriors.
I don’t think it would have been outrageous to give it to LeBron.
Iggy over Steph IS outrageous.
As outrageous as it seems in hindsight (and I agree it was the wrong decision) at the time it wasn’t even slightly controversial.
It wasn’t controversial at the time because anyone watching the games knew Steph had a bad series. Now people just look back at the box score and act like it was a travesty.
He did not have a bad series. The hell? He was bad in the first 2 games by his standards and then went nuclear the rest of the series. He shot 48% from 3 in Games 3 to 6
I thought Brown was the clear MVP. Players got to make big plays to win a title and White, Porzingas, Horford and Jrue definately had thier moments. But browns defense and him attacking was what they also needed. They were trying give Tatum the MVP, but they were up by 20 at the half and 3rd. Tatum was tryig to score everything in the 4th.
Yeah Brown was the right choice. He scored well on considerably better efficiency than Tatum while doing an incredible job defensively on Luka. Tatum badly underperformed in the finals in terms of scoring, which despite him leading in the major stat categories of points/rebounds/assists, cost him FMVP.
Just gives more weight to the Iggy comparison. Tatum simultaneously underperformed in scoring while leading the scoring
How is he the clear MVP when he didn’t lead the team in any statistic nor did he run the offense. I’m not saying he didn’t deserve it but to say it was clear is just stupid.
Fluke ECFMVP and fluke FMVP in the same run? Damn I really wish you were there to vote, idk how they got it so wrong
He won finals mvp while Tatum led the team in points rebounds and assists. Naturally.
Also locked up Luka the entire series, but yeah Tatum’s spreadsheets look better.
He made such a huge difference at pivotal moments on G1-3. I like Tatum as an overall player but brown won the first few games for them while Tatum closed them out in the elimination game.
Yea people are acting like its some grand conspiracy that he won finals MVP. As if there was some a concerted effort to hold Tatum back or something
It was just nba voters trying to be smarter than they are lol they always do dumb shit like to the be cheeky
There were no pivotal moments in G1 or G2. The Celtics led comfortably from Q1 in Game 1, and had a double-digit lead for most of Q4 in Game 2. Brown won because of his defense on Luka, particularly in the last three games.
Yes there were, q3 of game 1 and 2, stop talking nonsense kiddo
It’s embarrassing that you think that.
Its embarrassing that you didnt even watch the games and are spouting nonsense ROFL.
Yes, naturally. He did an amazing job on Luka while also providing the most clutch buckets down the stretch.
I can’t believe people still debate this one, it was obvious at the time and it’s obvious now.
Didn’t Luka still average his usual 30 on a gimp leg?
Yeah it was obvious. Tatum led the team in everything while being the focal point of the Mavs defense. Luka averaged 29.2 points, 8.8 rebounds, and 5.6 assists on 47% shooting. Brown did a decent job all things considered. Amazing is a stretch and certainly not amazing enough to win the MVP over Tatum.
Now look at Luka’s averages while actually being defended by Brown. And then rewatch the series to see who was the ‘focal point’ once the games got close.
I don’t need to rewatch the series. I know who the focal point was. It was Jayson Tatum because duh. Brown did a pretty good job on Luka I’m not taking that away from him.. That being said, Jayson Tatum was the best player on the team in that series and virtually all the advanced metrics show it. And the raw stats too.
People’s number 1 defense seems to always be FMVP. It’s 5 games. Anyone can look good/bad over 5 games.
So FMVP means nothing now come on now get real Brown is great player let’s stop this nonsense
Did I say it means nothing? I said you can’t deflect all criticisms of a player because of a 5 game span.
He also won ECF MVP too. Guess that doesn’t count either lmao.
Dorks need to stop it, it was an awful trade that they’re now trying to justify
ECF MVP definitely ain’t count. That shit was invented like 4 years ago? Who cares about it.
I agree it was a bad trade.
I’ve nvr seen anyone put real value in a conference finals mvp tbf. Like it’s not something you would list in a career accolade list.
Because it was first awarded in 2022. It’s not really a thing honestly.
JB had a fair argument for FMVP but that ECFMVP more clearly should’ve been Tatum’s.
He also finished 6th in MVP voting this past year… but I guess one whole season could be a fluke too
Again: Not saying he isn’t a great player. I’m saying FMVP isn’t the ultimate come back. Him being 6th in MVP voting across a whole season is more impactful. You should open with that instead.
That proves that he can play at a high level over the course of an 82-game season, but that doesn’t mean he can get the job done when it matters most & where careers are judged/defined.
Your initial point was that anyone can look good/bad over a 5-game sample which in a vacuum is correct… but that was the 5-game sample that means the most in a players’ career. It wasn’t a 5-game stretch in January, there’s a laundry list of HOF caliber players who fold in the playoffs.
No one cares past the top 2 or 3 MVP candidates.
The notion that FMVP is meaningless because a player isn’t perfect is even crazier
Those were prob the 5 most important games of his life
Plenty of other players folded under less pressure etc etc
I’m not even a big JB fan but the well ackshuallyisms are getting to be crazy. Y’all gotta chill out
i’d actually go as far as to say it means nothing. It’s selected by a panel of 11 randos. 4 voted for Tatum including Doris Burke, the Boston beat writer, and Malika Andrews. 7 voted for Brown including the Dallas beat writer and some guy from Italy. These people just go off vibes and narrative. Largely, it was a makeup call because they felt stupid not voting him for any of the all-nba teams.
Only 1 of the voters had any NBA playing or coaching experience (P.J. Carlesimo) and he voted for Tatum. Beyond that, it’s basically no different than having 11 random fans decide, but these fans happen to have communications/journalism degrees.
Tatum lead that team in scoring, rebounds and assists during those 5 games. He also was getting swarmed every time he had the ball which is why he had career high assists and was feeding wide open looks to Jrue Holiday. Tatum was also shutting down the Dallas lob game that got that 50 win team inexplicably into the Finals into the first place.
Tatum should have won it. But even if you think Brown deserved it, there’s a long list of second bananas who have won that award in the past whether it was Maxwell over Bird, Worthy over Magic, Dumars over Isiah, Pierce over KG, Parker over Duncan, Iggy over Steph. It’s just a fun little bullshit media award, but people act like it’s the spoken word of the basketball gods and actually means something. It doesn’t.
There’s a real smear campaign going on with this guy. It’s really unbelievable. The Celtics are going to regret this trade when Tatum and George are out for extended periods of time due to injury. Anyone remember Kawhi and George on the clippers? Giannis I can kind of see but nothing about this trade makes sense. Brown is a star player and if you believe the media it seems otherwise.
George is there to be a soon to be expiring deal I’m pretty sure. Im pretty sure the main expectation for him from both fans and FO is to be a trade chip next year. Anything else is a nice bonus.
How long you guys gonna hold on to the finals mvp against a 5 seed Mavs teams he won’t jt by default because Tatum shot terribly
Andre Iguodala was FMVP as well.
I think those Warriors teams did use Iguodala in a way that maximized his value on the court.
Brown won FMVP too, true. And from that you might be able to infer that the way he plays is the way that will bring the most value to a team. But with all this analytics talk, maybe that’s not true. And he’d need to adjust his game.
He’d have to change his game. What he’s doing right now isn’t sustainable. He scored a lot last season, but he was still very inefficient. That should be a sign that he’s heading in the wrong direction.
And Finals MVP isn’t some perfectly objective award. It’s voted on by a small group of people, so narratives and personalities always play a role. At the time, both Brown and Tatum were generally unpopular, but Tatum was more of the villain, so a lot of people were rooting for Brown to win Finals MVP over him, whether he actually deserved it or not.
It was also the 1st year he was in that role with a young team. Both Pritchard and White had struggles with the increased responsibilities. I don’t know why he is getting crushed on here so often.
you know, just get a roster of 3 other top 40 players on great contracts, maybe throw in a top 7 player and then fill it will a top 2 bench. light work
It’s a throwback playstyle that may not work anymore but maybe size and athleticism? Bare minimum spacing/playmaking as well to be a functional NBA offense. The nice thing about a player like JB is that their offense is fairly lineup proof and help defense in the midrange opens up opportunities to crash the glass. Just play super good defense and play in transition and crash the glass while JB puts up 25 shots a game. Bigger lineups also makes it harder fo a lot of teams to put their best guy on JB if it creates a big size mismatch somewhere else.
Realistically what matters just as much if not more than team philosophy is just having good players on better contracts though. The team that wins isn’t the one that solved basketball it’s usually the one that managed to fit the most good players on one team together.
He is a forward, so play him with a more traditional point guard, cut out the contested midrange two’s a bit, increase the number of threes and rim attempts. Pretty much how you optimize most players.
Analytically he’s not even g-league MVP
And the Cavs are up in the playoffs
Just put the Boston flair on
Sports sub, no flair, wild and bad takes = Boston fan
Yes, that’s why Paul George move was justified /s
lol people really acting like PG is some kind of upgrade in the handle department. Dude’s been throwing games away with turnovers his whole career, just with more flashy highlights to make people forget.
Are they? I think it’s more so they took on a close to expiring contract.
The difference is one year.
Wouldn’t you want a “good but maybe not great” player or a total downgrade during that time?
The difference is the FO basically said “we’re not building a team around JB for the second half of JTs career.” Whoever they actually get next year is going to be the question. PGs got nearly nothing to do with it.
Whoever they actually get next year
Not being a twat, asking honestly: who? The have PG for two more years and the draft pick isn’t until 2028.
I really don’t know man. Personally I would’ve preferred to keep him because I think getting sentimental for homegrown stars who’ve won a championship for you is a worthwhile thing to do. But both those facts are a good reason why I don’t work for a front office. As a side note I hate this cba
PG for two more years
He’ll opt in next year and be an expiring, which is likely when he gets traded.
PG doesn’t need to be an upgrade, that’s why we got picks for him. That being said, PG had a significantly better assist to TO ratio last season than JB, and he also seems to be much better at accepting his role
Jaylen was clearly shopped around the league. Unless there’s hard evidence that a better offer was on the table, this was it. The argument is “was this better than doing nothing” and that’s partially an on court decision but also partially an issue with Brown having a slow social media meltdown over the perceived disrespect.
His problem wasn’t his offense.
He’s still top 30 offensively by most metrics.
The problem is his defense has seriously fallen off, going from above average to clearly below average.
If he was still defending like he was in 2022 and before I doubt the Celtic move on from him.
His contract is a problem
He’s a top 3 highest paid player in the league and looking for a 70+ million max a year next extension
His lack of a handle means he can’t be a true #1 scoring option on a team hoping to go far but he needs the ball in his hands because he isn’t a good outside shooter
Being 30-50th on these metrics isn’t good enough, especially since everyone always reminds everyone he was 6th in MVP and All-NBA, so he should be held to those standards
I remember Jimmy Butler calling out his handles years ago and then a bunch of training videos came out w Brown trying to clean them up right after lol. Wtf happened
And he destroyed Jimmy 9 months later
I doubt he’ll be a 1st option alongside Maxey, also Sixers previously had the worst contract in PG before trading it for an All-NBA player in his prime. Pretty good trade imo
The talks about his extension aren’t here nor there, all that mattered to the Sixers is that they improved their roster, and they did. Embiid’s availability is no longer as huge a blow to the Sixers as it’s constantly been for the better part of a decade.
I mean, they’re going to have to extend him next month. I doubt he’ll be ok with them saying “let’s talk about it in a couple years.”
It really doesn’t matter what he’s OK with… he’s under contract for two more years and will be playing for the Sixers. They’ll have extension talks when Philly is ready.
Obviously his contract is a problem, it’s huge (though not top 3, it’s the 7th biggest).
My point is that he is actually quite good offensively, and depending on what analytics you believe he’s not overpaid that much.
So if he was above average defensively, teams would absolutely take him on with his current contract. Yes, he’s not a #1, but you can win a title with him as a #2, the Celtics have shown that.
I don’t know the advanced metrics but does that correlate with him having to spend more energy on offense in recent years?
That’s why he should play more like 1b.
The increased usage he want does not make him a better offensive player but makes him a significantly worse defensive player.
Could be, but his main issue is off ball, so I’m not sure that’s the main reason. Though it could be that his on-ball regressed while his off-ball remained poor.
Of course at his salary, you need that high usage. He’s paid too much to be a third or even second option.
I don’t think you’re right at all. He was the primary defender on Luka when they won their title in 2024 – on a team with Jrue and Derrick White no less. JB is a great on-ball defender.
JB is a bad off ball defender, thats the point. Also Jrue and Derrick are still better on ball defenders
Yeah, and that’s the mismatch between analytics and the eye test.
He looks good because he’s solid on the ball, but he loses a lot of value off ball.
Apparently Brown stopped playing on ball defence last season so that he could chuck more long 2s.
Luka was on a bandaged leg and still had 30. They lost because of Kyries multiple games under 15 points and rest of team not hitting 3s
Excelente defensor si es.
Pero al ataque, es TORPE
Ya no quiere defender, porque cree que es un crack al ataque.
Solo se le ve siempre muy torpe a la ofensiva, tratando de forzar un perfil de jugador ofensivo que no es.
No se le ve nada natural como corre y dribla con el balón.
Solo quiere jugar a demostrar que puede hacer más de lo que en verdad puede.
Y eso de que es el más inteligente, que va. No tienen ni una pizca de inteligencia, si no sabe cómo funciona el negocio y anda haciendo pataletas de niño ahora.
Or maybe since his usage went up on offense he is trying to conserve his energy on defense
he conserved the energy back to cancun while letting Kelly Ourbe score on him with backdoor cuts over and over
EPM has him as a top 50 offensive player - a good volume scorer but downgraded because of those turnovers - and a mediocre (slightly above league average) defender. That type of player making max money is a toxic asset every time.
If you believe EPM about his offensive level, he’d need to be a Caruso/Daniels/Ausar level defender to be really worth max money. And he never was that, even at his peak. Would have commanded better trade value tho
Indeed, his Per 36 AST to TO ratio was 1.
That means for every 10 assists he had 10 turnovers, which is obviously terrible.
It wasn’t though lol. He averaged 5.4 assists and 3.8 turnover per 36, so that is a 1.4 assist to turnover ratio.
For reference for Paul George’s career he averaged 4 assists and 2.8 turnovers per 36 which is the same 1.4 ratio that JB averaged last year.
This agenda has long passed ridiculous. NBA media pushing narratives to spin and protect the image of their favorite team has long stepped over the line.
This campaign is another example.
I agree it’s been a bit much but are we calling reddit posts nba media now?
It’s crazy we can look at true facts and say it’s a agenda 🤣🤣
Even crazier how these “true facts” weren’t being pumped relentlessly into the public consciousness until a week ago.
The Jaylen Brown hit pieces will continue until morale improves
Thing is that the Celtics did what they felt was in their best interests. For whatever reasons. They aren’t a dumb front office. I’m very sure there were reasons why this was the best path for them.
For my Sixers this moves us from irrelevant to relevance. It’s a jolt of adrenaline and on paper this team looks much better and more balanced than 2 weeks ago.
Add a LeBron and we are a tier 1 contender.
Doesn’t guarantee a damn thing but it shows our front office (who have been here for about three weeks on the job) have a clear vision for what our future looks like. I’ll take it.
Brown has been in the news due to a controversial trade recently, of course there is more interest than ever into dissecting his play.
So…we breaking down every big name player who gets dealt like this???
Because I don’t see that happening on this scale.
What tf are you talking about? Ya know who has been under a microscope every fucking game the last two years? Your back to back MVP. By literally everyone, this is nothing lol.
Do you not remember when Luka was traded?
Literally every single year the Celtics didn’t win we had this same convo about JB’s handling. After 2023 there was even a huge discussion about him not being able to dribble with his left hand and then they showed him in the off season working on that.
You can present numbers in lots of different ways to fit a narrarive, this feels targetted.
Real eyes realize real lies
I mean, the turnover stats are what they are though. Nobody’s saying JB is trash, but leading the league in TOs as a wing is definitely something worth talking about, especially when you’re making supermax money.
Does “narratives” just mean “information that I really don’t like” now?
All of this fine-toothed comb judgement of “is Jaylen Brown actually good” would make more sense if they didn’t trade him for the mummified corpse of Paul George.
I’m so tired of people acting like random regular season stats determine the quality of a player lmao. People have really lost touch.
If regular season stats really mattered, kobe/TD/Bill Russell wouldn’t even be a top 20 players of all time, while James Harden / Westbrook would be top 10.
Oh so he stops turning the ball over in the playoffs ?
The difference is that Kobe and Duncan showed up when it mattered most. Jaylen has had some brutal playoff turnover stretches too, that’s why people are pointing this out.
Damn, seems like we traded for a bum then /s
Using Luka and Harden as comps is funny because you should also use them to compare on the other end of the court lol
Brown was less valuable on defence last season when you are ready to admit. Funny that now people talk about “preserving energy”, because of bigger offensive load. I thought Brown was the best two way guy in the league and it is easy to be offensive engine and defend well. He must be just fat /s
When you are as inefficient as Brown you need really good defence to compensate for your offensive shortcomings. But his off-ball defence has always been lacklustre and overall he got worse. Athleticism and good teams made him look better than he really is.
In general Celtics just thought he is not worth the money they paid him.
Playing with scrubs like pp and d white will do that to you.
As a 76ers I feast on these COPE posts.
I am just happy to be rid of Paul George and his giant ass contract tbh and we got JB out of it too?!
Fuck yeah lmao.
Philly been cooking this off-season this might be the greatest off season in Philadelphia sports in a long long time.
Usage just means how often you end a possession, right? Has nothing to do with passing
it measures how many teams of the teams possesions ends with a players shot, free throws or turnovers.
I could imagine logically players that are asked to carry their team’s scoring load on their backs usually are less efficient in general.
Not sure if a few clips and some select statistics really shows that JB is that inefficient, turnover prone or lacking handles…
Yeah, but that’s why the true elite guys are truly elite, they stay efficient despite carrying the scoring load
Jaylen Browns efficiency from this past regular season without Tatum and the year before this past season with Tatum are identical. So brown increased his total avg ppg by a little more than 5ppg and maintained a ts% of 58. In other words, brown went from a 23ppg scorer on 58 TS% to a 28 ppg scorer on 58 ts%. The issue critics have with brown is that he doesn’t have the ball handling ability or passing vision to be a point forward. The other issue is he can be a ball stopper and turn possessions into iso ball instead of moving the ball and getting into drives to the rim quick.
He also doesn’t move much when he doesn’t have the ball (Tatum can be the same way at times).
Most star players don’t honestly
Critics acting like JB was supposed to be a Luka/Harden type player are moving goalposts to create a narrative that never existed, to be mad about
It’s just what do you get out of brown with his high usage? Is it worth it for what he will be paid in his future? If he played defense like Jalen williams then he’d be very desirable to all teams I think. But he’s only good at poa defense, not the rim protection and off ball defense j dub provides. Brown also can’t dribble well, I think j dub also has him beat with ball handling and same with passing vision.
the difference between Cam Thomas and actual superstars lol
If he lead the league in turnovers it’s just true lol no slander. Just as he was 6 in mvp voting that’s also true.
Total turnovers is such a dumb stat. Get some number up of turnovers per possession or points or anything else vs other players with similar usage. Total anything really isn’t useful
This is where context matters though. He was second in usage on a 64 win team that just steamrolled the league and then won the title.
Is he a Luka level engine? Obviously not. But his “lackluster” playmaking looks a lot better when you factor in the attention he draws, the way he bends defenses, and the fact that his role is to pressure the rim and finish, not be some heliocentric pick and roll merchant.
This is what people sound like rn: “Jaylen brown stinks! Just look at these advanced wins above minutes replaced per 48 stats compared to the rest of the league
See! Not even top 3”
I have heard he is always right.
Private equity is targeting Jaylen Brown right now, there’s like a full scale media assault
Lol this hit piece is hilarious. Take him out of last season’s team and their record is significantly lower
The dude literally won Finals MVP and people still find ways to nitpick every little flaw. Yeah his handle isn’t elite but he’s been the engine for a lot of their offense when Tatum’s shots aren’t falling.
People can nitpick all they want he’s still a top 10 player. He led the Celtics to the 2 seed, averaged 29 & was 6th in mvp votes.
Luka, Giannis, Jokic, Shai, Tatum, Brunson, Wembanyama, Curry, Cade, and Kawhi (healthy) are all better than Brown in most facets of basketball.
Luka owned Brown historically.
They point to the finals where Luka was on a gimp leg still dropping 30 and use it as Browns call to defensive fame
Getting tired of seeing this JB slander almost everyday.
You’ll get used to it. It’s still very annoying but you get used to it.
Luka > JB
All the nerds coming out to parrot the media’s takes. There’s a reason why this happens during the offseason and not when they can just tune into a game to watch JB. I wonder how this narrative will age.
Celtics traded him bc of contract and bc they think he’s a hotep let’s not get it twisted. Now hit pieces dropping left and right.
he’s been doing the things in this clip for years. Honestly his handle was better this season than in the past his usage way up bc he played without Tatum
they think he’s a hotep
an ancient egyptian?
GOOGLE
Yeah, imo this is dead on.
JB had most total turnovers but not have the highest TPG.
He’s not a PG by any means of the word. Barely a ball-handler. Just a ball-dominant wing with an IQ lower than it should be
Boston’s “offense” consists of stubbornly chucking 3s
The defense of Jaylen as “he won a Finals MVP” is really not a good one. It’s a media award based on emotion. If you really look at that series, Tatum deserved the MVP. He led them in basically every category and drew more attention which opened up Brown and others. Brown had the lowest PER of any MVP in decades. Tatum didn’t shoot well in the Finals, but Brown didn’t either—in fact Tatum outshot him from 3 and of course overwhelmingly was better from the line.
Plus, this was a 5 game series that was really never in doubt.
This post isn’t about whether Brown is good/worth it. I just keep seeing “Brown won a Finals MVP” as like the ultimate data point in that debate, and it should not be.
MJ should be ashamed of his 6 media award mvps.
Not as ashamed as you should be for invoking MJ to defend Brown lol.
I highly doubt MJ’z were questionable and I’m guessing they weren’t 7-4 votes.
Tatum was the first player in history to lead his team in scoring, assists and rebounds in a finals and not win the FMVP.
My point is that people are way overemphasizing that award for Brown when determining what kind of player he is.
Yes, MJ deserved his 6 media awards.
JB won Finals MVP because he made key offensive and defensive plays that led to the championship. Tatum and the others played well enough, but JB was the primary dog that kept Dallas at bay.
Figured the pitch forks would come out once he criticized the analytics community, he’s got an NBA Championship and a Finals MVP, analyze that lol.
The revisionist history that is going on since the trade is NUTS. I couldn’t stand brown because he kicked our ass too often and itll take some time to change that. He’s also a drama llama. But the slander is getting a bit out of control..
No, Brown didn’t deserve MVP last season.
Yes, he 100% and clearly deserved FMVP when he won it.
Yes, his ego writes cheques his game can’t quite cash but he is absolutely elite and with good ballhandlers has a chance to improve his offball play, he’s not done learning. It feels like celtics fans are in the grief stage where they have to rationalize that ‘actually he sucked’..
Attitude might have been the main reason they traded him, so i hope that doesn’t happen with us. Also i wish he would stop streaming it’s not helping his case. Only one thing i dislike more than the celtics are twitch streamers ;)
I do feel for you guys though, it does suck to lose an important player.
his value is only going down. sad to see him going but it’s the right move in the long run…well…i hope so..
People really hate JB aye
No big deal so better shot selection and limit turnovers. Expecting a more efficient year from JB
Expecting a 30 year old to magically fix problems he has had for 10 years as a professional
So this is how we starting Monday? In spite of this he’s still a top 20-30 player today offensively and still a great on ball defender. Boston ran their offense through him and JT. Grant it they both made strides in this area each year. Him being PHI now is beneficial because he won’t have PG responsibilities. Bos didn’t have anyone else for all the responsibility of running an offense. This isn’t enough to drive down his trade value to what bos got in return no matter how people try to spin this narrative.
We found Brad Stevens’ burner
the celtics won a championship in 2024 and jaylen brown was finals mvp
Yea but does that even matter when he’s not making Baylor Scheierman better during the regular season?
One of the reasons why I find him overrated.
Luca Doncic, Cade Cuningham, and Nikola Jokic averaged more turnovers than Jaylen Brown. The only reason JB had more turnovers on the season was because he plays more games than most superstars.
As someone that never believed in Browns “mvp case” or 1st team narrative I’m loving the lowlights
I don’t think high usage and not being an elite passer is why the analytics are relatively low on him. Joel Embiid has had very high usage rates without many assists and was routinely ranked as a top 2 player in the league at his peak by analytics.
Another Jaylen Brown thread.
The hit pieces keep on coming
More bullshit re JB
The propaganda on this is unreal! There is an all out effort to make the guy look like he’s some bum. JB must have all the Epstein files, there is no other explanation for this.
Should watch Michael, Kobe, KD work off-ball and score within one or two dribbles I bet he can do it
🤣🤣🤣one month he runner up for MVP . We thought he could take the Celtics out the first round by himself even with Tatum injury… month later playing 0 games. Now suddenly he’s ass juice and were better of with past his prime almost a decade ago Paul George 🤣🤣🤣 hilarious
I’m so glad ppl r seeing this especially since people were choosing him over Kawhi and Cade for 1st team when he’s literally better than at them at absolutely 0 skills
I don’t know if this is controversial or not, but Boston’s greatest strength in their championship year was they had one of the deepest most talented 3-9 guys in recent memory. Most dudes in those rotation spots were former/future All-Stars, Olympians, or award winners. That was their edge that year.
Anytime that his left hand touches the ball, TO chances increases by 50%.
This reminds me that of Luka’s defensive lowlights being posted this season. Then the star hoops and shuts up the noise.
Wow JB isn’t as good as Luka? This is peak offseason content.
He’s like Zoolander. He can’t turn left.
All I see here are a bunch of un-athletic nerds talking about math.
Ot got him a finals MVP.
With Philly’s guards, Jaylen shouldn’t have to handle the ball at all