Shams literally said Brad requested for final offers the day they traded him lol

This report is meaningless, not even sure what it’s trying to say.

Yeah everyone is the world greatest GM with the power of hindsight

Yea lol, this sounds like children doing all the negotiating. “We wanted to see how much we can lowball, and were shocked when someone esle swooped in”, yea ofc, you dind’t have all the leverage to do some shit like this 😂

We’ve seen two-team negotiations (like when we knew AD was going to the Lakers and they had to figure out the package) play out over months. It’s reasonable to believe a team made a low offer and let Boston sit on it to either come back and say “we’re getting better offers” or “we can’t do that but we will come down a bit”. Trade negotiations aren’t always a one back-and-forth conversation thing. They play out over time sometimes.

A star trade going from “we’re looking to deal” to “we have to take a low offer because it’s all we can get” in days, not weeks, seems odd given the timeline we’ve seen these trades play out over historically. I’m sure some of those trades would’ve netted way less value if the GM was determined to get it done immediately instead of playing the game and going back and forth with other GMs over an extended amount of time.

everytime these sorts of stories break out the more I realize most NBA front offices are staffed by idiots. Job seems to depend more on connections than merit.

They may have understandably assumed the Celtics weren’t racing to trade him.

Could be typical media dramatization but it could also just be hubris of the mystery team - assuming that they’ll get a call back or notification when a better offer is available and a chance to renegotiate.

It’s like making a lowball offer on a house. You’re basically rolling the dice that the sellers counter but you run the risk of them thinking you’re so far out of their ballpark that it’s not worth a counter.

On the other hand, usually the team fielding offers goes back to everyone they know is interested to see if they’ll try to beat the best offer they’ve received.

Well, unless you are a moron like Nico

Everyone who has ever played in a fantasy league has experienced this

This, what were they waiting for? lol

Depends, you can play the waiting game a bit.

Usually before you accept an offer you go back and ask everybody for their best and final, you could also use the media to drum up a bidding war but I suspect that boston thought brown would sabotage their attempts to trade him so they pulled the trigger before the media could get ahead of them. But like even at the height of jimmy playing media games and sabotaging the heat riley waited patiently for the right team desperate to make a playoff push willing to give him the stuff he was asking for, not sure why boston acted with such desperation. Im almost starting to suspect this is all tied to betting markets I mean we saw this same exact shit happen with the Luka trade it makes no sense

(Taking a brief break from “Lol, Fuck Boston)

Maybe Jaylen has a point with “anonymous sources.” Whoever said this is only saying this to make Boston look dumb and dogpile, but insulate themselves from the obvious response of “well, why didn’t you increase your offer when they asked for best offers?”

Yes you do, that’s how negotiation works. Boston was the one who lost here for not waiting and creating a bidding war.

Correct! I’m in real estate and the number of people that get upset when they miss out on a home for stuff like this is funny. Even in multiple offer situations, they get upset when they lose out and find out ‘well I would have paid that’. Too late buddy 

You’ve never played in my fantasy leagues i guess 

Good thing dude said this anonymously because any GM publicly saying I wanted x player but lowballed in response to request for final offer should be fired on the spot.

These dudes learned negotiations from sitcoms.

Right this is so dumb and not even worth reporting

I think the offering team assumed that this wouldn’t be an overnight deal for a bad offer. From what I’ve seen, typically negotiations aren’t an overnight process and there’s a ton of posturing and back and forth. This was NOT that at all, which is why this is so weird.

Reporters are just saying shit now to make the Celtics seem dumb and unprofessional

“We thought they were bluffing” well obviously not. Boston wanted Brown out yesterday, clearly. He’s been shopped around for weeks, they had every chance if they wanted him

This has Troy Weaver and Joe Dumars written alllllllllllllllllllllll over it

Ahh yes, only good negotiators offer the world first and then try and negotiate it down to something more reasonable. Exactly how NBA trade negotiations are supposed to go. 

Do y’all hear yourselves?

This ain’t terrible negotiating, if I’m any GM in the league I’m not thinking the Celtics are rushing to take a Paul George package. Same thing happened with Giannis multiple teams didn’t offer all their assets last deadline. 

If teams knew this was the price for brown im sure someone else worse came in, Toronto just gave up a similar package for a older and worse player than brown with Kawhi.

Fantasy football 101 quite honestly

Is everyone forgetting that Boston has been testing the JB market for years? Brad didn’t start shopping JB a month ago, he’s got plenty of data points beyond that.

I’m with you, have no idea what the rush was to ship him out the first few days of July relative to waiting a bit deeper into the offseason and fielding more offers.

But then you look at the landscape of the league, and I’m having a hard time seeing who—like you said—was really convinced they were a JB away from dethroning New York in the East or conquering OKC/SAS in the west.

MIA, MIN, POR, LAL, and TOR already made their moves. Teams like ATL, ORL, and HOU are seemingly locked into their rosters. BKN, SAC, NOP, MEM, IND aren’t serious destinations. WAS, UTH, MEM, and CHI just drafted their cornerstones. OKC, SAS, and NYK aren’t blowing anything up. DET, GSW, and CLE have FA dominos that have to fall first. DAL wasn’t a viable trade partner in needing to include Kyrie back to BOS to match salary, DEN wasn’t willing to part with Murray, LAC just got themselves out of the Kawhi business and they’re a mess overall, and I don’t think CHA wanted to sign up for another max contract+ after shipping LaMelo.

From there, what’s left? Maybe Stevens thought the price might bottom out even more once the FA pieces all fell into place. I know we all like to the think a market for a borderline-MVP candidate wing in his prime would be massive, but when you read through individual situations and context it’s hard to find another landing spot.

Entirely different CBA regime. 70+ million salaries are unpinned hand grenades

In a few years we’ll see that when the smoke clears (I suspect they will tweak things a little in the next CBA but I think overpaying guys into their 30s is going to end)

One of the biggest issues with the Luka thing was that Nico didn’t shop him, and that pretty much all 28 other fanbases/front offices would have easily offered or wanted to offer more than what the mavericks accepted. Here, and though I agree it was rushed, it does seem like the Celtics pretty much engaged the entire league and this is the best they got. Like even in your own example, sometimes due to circumstances, you end up trading kawhi Leonard for poeltl, derozan and a first. Sounds like teams just weren’t lining up to give up a ton of assets for the honor of paying Jaylen brown a max contract under this cba

Regardless, people weren’t keeping it quiet lol, I think it’s going overboard but you’re just jerking in the other direction by pretending like you’ve never heard a single piece of Jaylen brown criticism. Go read any thread from prior to a couple days ago and you’ll see people making similar comments about brown not being as good as Celtics fans think he is

I know everyone is coming out of the woodworks to say “they’re worse with him on the floor”, “he’s analytically terrible” etc., but if everyone in NBA media and around here thought Brown was a terrible, overpaid player, you guys all kept it really quiet until a few days ago.

Media and fans love Jaylen Brown. The people who don’t have thought all these things for a while, but imagine showing up in any given thread last season and saying any of this. You’d get sent to -57 and have six Celtics flairs calling you an idiot. So people didn’t say anything.

Also, people thought he was overpaid when he signed the contract;

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/159b1zj/spears_jaylen_brown_and_the_boston_celtics_have/

>I know everyone is coming out of the woodworks to say “they’re worse with him on the floor”, “he’s analytically terrible” etc., but if everyone in NBA media and around here thought Brown was a terrible, overpaid player, you guys all kept it really quiet until a few days ago. All Boston needed was one GM who believed in JB as the 25+ PPG, All-NBA, FMVP, star wing under 30 they need to complete their team. There’s no way there was that much of a disconnect between and almost consensus appraisal of his abilities by fans/media and front offices who supposedly see him as a giant dud.

Is this a real paragraph? When was there ever a consensus on Jaylen Brown being as good as you describe? Not even immediately after winning FMVP did he get near consensus appraisal of his abilities lol

Did every GM gaslight Stevens with low first offers into thinking he had a negative impact player in Brown?

It’s not gaslighting if the Celtics themselves believed it to start with. If every other GM is countering in negotiations with, “he’s like the 40th best player according to our models” and that’s exactly where Boston had him internally, then the Celtics might have realized there’s no fooling a team about Brown’s on court impact, despite how the media and fans chose to assign credit for the team’s success.

I also don’t see how the San Antonio Kawhi trade is an example of good negotiations. They traded Kawhi for less than what he was worth because they chose not to engage teams Kawhi would commit to. In the end they also sent out Danny Green in the deal for DeRozan, which today would be like OKC throwing in Caruso to help trade a disgruntled SGA for Brandon Ingram or something.

Boston clearly mishandled the situation and probably should have done this a year ago, but I doubt there was ever going to be some godfather package for Brown even if they waited longer. Maybe it’s slightly better from a picks standpoint. He isn’t a negative value player, but he’s a negative value asset certainly. Every team in the league has analytics groups which advise them on trades and it’s just indefensible to trade a massive haul for Brown. He was widely available for a low price and no one budged. That should be proof enough of what his value is, no?

Did every GM gaslight Stevens with low first offers into thinking he had a negative impact player in Brown?

That would make the greatest GM in the NBA dumb on a Nico Harrison level.

How could he have possibly known the first offer in a trade negotiation wasn’t going to be the best one?!?! Completely unprecedented.

Exactly

This is that manager in your fantasy football league sending marginal trade offers, but they’ll be the first to whine when another manager lands the player

My theory is that they saw how Jaylen Brown wasn’t valued as high as they thought during the Giannis trade talks then realized they may need to dump him while they can.

The point is that executives around the league thought the proverbial auction was going to last much longer because there was seemingly no reason for Boston to rush it.

You are mostly correct, I think it’s the unusually fast timeline that got the league by surprise. Everybody noticed the urgency since they were the ones making the offers and the calls.

I am not sure it was a bad trade. It will take three to five years to accurately judge.

The guy in your league who acts incredulous and says “that was just a conversation starter bro!” when you insta decline his four nickels for a dollar offer, only if they were an NBA GM.

No, they’re saying Brad never really negotiated.

I don’t think the Celtics expected all the prior trades that happened to happen so quickly.

I think they thought that they had weeks to work out a trade and a lot (not all) of their top pursuers told them a deal needs to happen now because of free agency.

The longer you wait dealing a star player the more teams will drop out of negotations to finalize their roster for the season. So many assets are tied up with star player trades after all. Thats why they happen at beginning not at the deadline of the offseason. 

And you had to trade him this offseason. His value is at its highest.

Maybe when Steven’s asked teams for their final offers (according to Shams) the GM of this team should have made an offer instead of loading a quote for after the trade.

It is exaggerated. Brown has been shopped around for weeks. If you cant make a proper second offer after weeks and Brad demanding a final offer you werent serious. Just sounds like this GM is salty he didnt swoop in and got Brown after the Philly package was less than expected.