People said Lebron left the Cavs because he grew up without a dad.

i must agree that atleast some of the criticism towards JB is very weird and targeted

Brown being white knighted as “the ultimate pro” is pathologically insane. He was on live streams ranting to yesmen chatrooms about his team. You’re massively overcorrecting.

the same exact thing happened to luka. he had reached the finals a year prior and was always seen as a top player in the league who could carry a team and score against anyone when it counted the most then all of a sudden he’s “constantly out of shape and has poor nutritional habits and conditioning which is why he’ll never lead a team to a championship”

complete character assassination to justify the horrible return on the most unnecessary trade of all time

There is a real book about LeBron called ‘The Whore of Akron’

It’s because he’s really annoying lol

NBA PR is a fascinating thing to me that I don’t think I’ll ever fully understand

First, this has happened a ton with other players.

Second, JB is annoying. Being “outspoken” by making excuses and spouting conspiracy theories isn’t very endearing. If someone acts like an ass as often and as loudly as he does, didn’t be surprised when people cite that as a reason he might be valued lower than his on-court production should earn. It’s a fact - we just saw it happen.

“I can’t remember the last time it’s been to this extent with another star n the league.”

Have you not heard of a player named Lebron James? But it is opposite for him. Because talking heads cannot use analytics on him so they nitpick whatever he does on/off the court.

He gave no indication he was giving up streaming. He is paid 58mil, him being “outspoken” is him engaging with bait media. This isn’t some social rights type “fall in line” thing, this is a sucker taking the bait and creating headaches for his organization.

So many of his fanboys just see it so strange. He is in a funny spot because analytics dont agree with his contract, his team didnt like his coming value AND hes taking media bait constantly and engaging with the media back and forth like a fool.

So he was already gonna be in a tough spot with his organization and probably had to figure a way to deal with it, his way of dealing with it was by ALSO lumping in the media squeeze by taking bait and constantly burdening himself with that shit to top off the organizational issues. he compounded his own situation and its entirely unsurprising. What is also unsurprising is how he continues to not see the issue.

I agree with you completely, Jaylen.

This shit is so funny. This is the exact opposite of what was being said 24 hours ago before the trade.

Bro wasn’t there for when Luka got traded

to throw out the previous 8 year track record of Brown being the ultimate pro always there and ready to show up for his team over a couple ill-advised streams is unjust maligning of his reputation

Lets not ignore how terrible he plays in key playoff games though. The Celtics have one decent run, arguably two and a whole bunch of embarrassing playoff exits. Directly because of his shit play.

They don’t have the means to cover that and he’s paid way too much for a player of that level.

Nobody remembers the hit pieces Nico (tried to) put out to discredit Luka?

Online discourse just keeps getting worse and worse in general, the media and social media are just full of fucking idiots. Take a look in this sub for example

Sure thing, ai guy.

The Luka piece

Stephen A tried to warn him 🥀

its just the circlejerk of the day, everything online is becoming a circlejerk

But a Brown-Tatum split was inevitable. We’ve been talking about it for years.

Check this article from 2024:

Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown’s relationship on and off the court has been scrutinized since they became Boston Celtics teammates in 2017.

Brown has gotten the brunt of the criticism over the last seven years. The 27-year-old was often the subject of trade rumors as pundits pondered trades to split up the Celtics’ superstar duo…

So why are we acting surprised?  We’ve known about Brown.  What happened is what we expected to happen.

Ehhhh

The same happened last year after Luka got traded.

All of the sudden “people” started talking about “how bad” Luka was behind the curtain.

Many are just throwing smoke in order to justify the trade and distract others from how terrible the return is.

Had JB got traded for a buckload of valuable assets - multiple good first rounders plus good/great players in return, then nobody would say much other than some grumbling from JB’s fans.

It’s part of being a SuperStar, if people arent talking shit about you than you’re not big enough of a star. You havent haunted their home team enough for people to have hate towards you. Stars should take it as a compliment. Every Superstar have doubters, just embrace it.

Every star who has played for the Lakers goes through this. The crap Pau Gasol went through was insane.

The Celtics traded the wrong J. 

I think it’s just a confluence of multiple factors. He spent his entire career up to this point on one of the most successful and most hated teams in the league, he has some outlandish personal views, he has some stats, whether from advanced metrics or simple on-off, which are unprecedentedly strange for a player with his level of success and accolades, and he picks fights with talking heads, which just means that the media is not going to overlook all that other shit the way they will for a lot of guys.

It is fucking weird, parasocial and so hate filled. Makes me kinda hate the NBA and associated circus.

It’s a complete hit job.

It comes and goes in waves, one week it’s Jokic, another month it’s Giannis, then Steph.
JB is great, Zak Lowe says the media underrates him, I believe what that man says.

Luka fat?

I think it’s because he’s responding to the comments frequently without any anonymity. That’s unusual.

It’s turning the situation into a direct public conversation between him and any random Joe, an environment highly conducive of rapid and unwarranted escalation.

Have you already forgotten the luka slander?

Laughs in Joel Embiid

Chuckles in LeBron James

Snorts in Charles Barkley

Giggles in James Harden 

Chortles in Kareem Abdul Jabbar

Etc,  etc,  etc…

You can’t remember the last time? People have been bashing Shai relentlessly for well over a year, not just about the flopping but saying he’s aura farming, corny, etc.

Hater culture never stops

it was like that in this sub until the trade lol

The guy has AI thumbnails on his live streams/pfp idk if he’s all too smart

If Jaylen starts playing horribly in Philly, then the comparison to this situation would be Ben Simmons

It’s certainly fucking exhausting lol

aint nothing bizarre. im old enough to see how the world moves

The brother has put himself out there and addresses issues that matter to him. Scrutiny comes with the territory. It is what it is.

Confident, put spoken man? Give me a fucking break. He’s willfully, out loud ignorant and I don’t care who you are that is always bullshit.

Blame ESPN

Two years ago a star was traded because he drink sweet tea.

lol. Jesus. His fans cry just like he does.

Do you think that this trade is the result of him being difficult to work with? Any other scenario in my head makes no sense. This trade was bad otherwise.

Boston fans are weird. And racism runs deep here. 

Maybe stop watching SAS, Cowherd, Perkins and other morons whose job is to rile people up?

It happens to all stars. At the end of the day, they can go prove it on the court and go home to their millions of dollars while all the people complaining keep complaining

Dude immediately went on stream and said “I never said I was the smartest person in the room but the bar is pretty low”.

My guy gave a philosophy keynote last week and repeatedly referred to Michel Foucalt as a woman…

damage control

For Christ sakes it’s all about the fucking money. Jaylen brown was becoming too expensive and front office felt like they hit a ceiling with Tatum/brown as they had no budget to keep them both. Jaylen brown is fucking nice, Reddit is and front office of Celtics share the same short bus if they think he want pivotal these last few years. Y’all watching a different basketball.

Don’t even a flair to know who OP roots for if you think this is the first time a traded player got random bad press

Luka got the same exact thing if you know anything about the NBA besides what happens in Boston

I guess when a team gets their hole blasted open they need to tear down the player so they don’t look like total idiots.

Suffice it to say, the louder the drumbeat - the worse Boston got turnt

JB doesn’t play the game, and certain people can’t handle that.

When a young wealthy black man voices strong opinions, and is very as active in the community, there are a lot of people that feel threatened by him. It’s low hanging fruit for the absolutely toxic world of hot take and debate show personalities to use as rage bait for several demographics. JB is a clas act. Did he occasionally do shit that rubbed his boss the wrong way? Probably, but we all do. I’m one of the few Celtics fans that thinks Brad trading JB was the right move, and I’ll be the first to tell you, it had NOTHING to do with character.

He’s in his streamer era and analytics hate him.

We will see

Luka?

It’s because he doesn’t have an agent. Sports Media, Agents , and teams all have a basically incestuous relationship where the Media spreads “good” PR for the Agents and “bad” PR for the teams basically playing both sides. With no agent to push his side we only get hit jobs from the teams.

Kyrie. The second smartest guy in the league to JB, of course.

To act like its just been this week is kinda crazy. People started to look at him differently after that live streamed where he said this past season was his favourite

It’s because it’s getting clicks, mostly because Jaylen is blowing it up on his stream. Idiots like this kind of shit. Media around the NBA has been evolving like this for awhile.

They did this to Kyrie Irving as well. When the media is against you they are against you.

You have trolls that tried to steer public discourse about how every team HAD TO make a BIG SWING.

More and more the real people are sick of this BS forced discussion and coming back with some gtfo posts of their own. There are whole compounds where paid trolls carry out these public perception campaigns. Also players themselves are on here and they can be the biggest haters there are.

“Peanut gallery” is an age-old concept 

Osama Bin Laden’s - TRANSLATOR - not Bin Laden…

the organisation has gone out of its way to disrespect their longest tenured player

Can OP define how the Celtics have “gone out of their way” to disrespect Jaylen Brown? They were paying him one of the biggest contracts in sports history. How much more respect do you want them to show.

He’s choosing to broadcast his delusion to the entire world. He deserves it

He denies the guy who created basketball becsuse he’s white. He deserves ALL of the scrutiny over his shit like that the same way Kyrie got it for his stupid shit.

Same thing happened when Luka was traded

It’s because of how outspoken he is. Everyone is a critic these days if you say anything slightly controversial publicly you will be scrutinized especially when a lot of eyes are on you

Has it really been so long ago that we forgot about all of sports media calling Luka a fatass loser after he got traded?

This is a normal Tuesday for LeBron.

Every time I open Reddit the very first post is about JB and I don’t even read or open them, I hate him now because of Reddit

Every other post is about him which is weird. Must be tweaking the algorithm. He’s a great player, I don’t have much else to say about him

Bill Chisholm will smear you to if you want a fair contract

I’ve never seen the league seemingly collaborate to tank someone’s value so hard, so fast. Dude was in the MVP conversation and he got sold for a box of fucking scraps.

JB is a special guy, the “energy shifter” name stuck for a reason.

Kyrie a few years ago

This stuff has happened before. Nothing new under the sun. Brown has magnified it through his social media presence. If he kept his life more private it would all feel a lot different.

The reason you can’t remember a situation like this is because never before has a guy been paid $70m a year to be the 20th best player in the NBA.

(Not to mention the fact that his contract was signed just before the NBA implemented what is in effect a hard salary cap, which is also unprecedented in this league.)

In less than a month, Jaylen Brown will be eligible for a contract extension worth (after the trade) 1 year at over \(70m/year. Because of the intricacies of the CBA, the Celtics would have been able (which is to say, compelled) to offer him a two year extension for \)140-150m.

The problem with Jaylen Brown isn’t analytics. It’s not social media or streaming or foot-in-mouth syndrome. It’s not anti-blackness or faux-intellectualism or private equity billionaires bristling at “a confident outspoken man who isn’t just going to fall in line”.

The problem with Jaylen Brown is that he’s Scottie Pippen, but he believes (and is getting paid like) he’s Michael Jordan. Which, frankly, is being generous, because I’d argue that Pippen was a better and more complete basketball player than Brown has ever been.

Its because there has always been this silent tension that he wants to be number one on the team even when Tatum is actually better. As a viewer it always felt like JB was jelous of Tatum, but would stay quiet. Now that he has got the taste of being the man he has started to vocalize this in roundabout ways, like saying this is his favorite season ever.

Its like all the resentment of not being number one on the team finally explodes.

Bc he’s a Nazi supporter, it’s pretty simple. Fuck JB

He’s an idiot. He confidently spews unintelligent word salad that seems smart to other idiots. He confidently insists he’s the smartest person in the room, has built this nonsense persona of faux intellectualism, then talks about how Chinese astrology is real. He screams about authenticity, then spends hours and hours shouting into a camera and microphone for clicks and views. Other stars are smart enough to shut up about their shitty views. Hope this helps.

You are surprised that Reddit overreacts? What a laugh.

Yeah the slander has been unusual. I was neutral to JB too, maybe even slightly biased against him (being a Celtic and all the weirdness with his streaming nowadays), but now I’m rooting for the dude. I dunno how much of that is wanting to see Boston eat shit though, lol.

I was just thinking the same thing today. He doesn’t deserve it.

Interested parties launched and paid for a smear campaign on JB to tank his value and lower his Boston asking price.

It’s the Philly effect. Now all of Reddit will hate on you because of a fan base.

Brown isn’t a top 15 player if we are being honest.

But he’s gotten torn apart like he’s some kind of tank commander chiclet which is totally unfair.

I wanted him traded because his advanced numbers weren’t the greatest and I thought there was too much overlap with Tatum skill Set.

But the smear campaign is disgraceful and I wish him nothing but the best in Philly

This is like the Luka trade. The team owners wanted to save money or for whatever reason didn’t want the guy anymore, so they deal him and then put out hit pieces.  Say what you will, but Jaylen Brown is good and he delivered in the 2024 finals when Tatum didn’t. Nico was smarter in the sense that he quietly and quickly did the move for Luka to avoid too much friction (before the trade), although he got scapegoated and fired anyway. 

Oh a guy who says damaging unscientific shit to impressionable kids being antiscience and anti vacxer got haters

What a fucking surprise

On top of being a ballhog that likes to shot tough shots (good thing he hit them at decent rate tho) that doesnt improve his team woth decades of plus minus data proving he is a negative.

But hey he played great in 2 series so 10 years data can go eat shit i guess