Jaylen Brown on the trade: “Brad is getting a lot of criticism, I wasn’t thrilled at how he facilitated a lot of the conversations, but I definitely think there was more to it”
Brad is probably the scapegoat in all of this , but this was probably ownership not wanting to pay Brown
But is willing to pay PG , so idk
They’re required to pay brown an extension, paul george you dont have to. Thats basically a money move
Why are the required that?
Because they cant just let him leave for nothing. Brown has value. Pg13 once his contract expires doesnt. This basically gives them an out. Can see what theyre trying to do but man those firsts they got arent even gonna be good tbh. Maxey still in his prime and vj as well. Not to mention to the team that eliminated them. Just a mind boggling move.
Clippers first will be juicy
Hopefully. Its not protected in any way is it?
Celtics get the best of clippers/76ers in 2028
He has three years on his contract. There was no rush to do this
The idea is (and I do not support this. I tink we should’ve held pat) that he will be less valuable each year that he’s closer to his contract ending. You often hear gms or teams refer to a guy with 1 year left on his deal as a “rental” , because if you trade for them and they don’t sign an extension with you, they can walk afterwards and you get nothing. Or if they have 2 years left and they don’t sign that extension the first year, you feel like you MUST trade them to get some value so he doesn’t walk for nothing in free angency, but by that point he has way less value becuase it’s truly a 1 year rental.
Celts FO felt like the clock was ticking and that the offers were only going to get worse.
I just have a hard time believing they would get a worse return than this even if they did it next year
I agree. Just explaining the thought process
Teams get more desperate after failed playoffs each year. There could definitely have been a team that would’ve wanted a dynamic 3 like JB after a year.
If all the teams that fell short in the past years don’t want him at 29, why would they suddenly want him in his 30s for more money, especially as the cores they’re trying to win with are likely into their declines as well?
This is the aspect that doesn’t square with all of the “oh they dont want to extend him” talk. Not sure why it keeps getting waived away in every supposed explanation for the trade
Clippers 2028 and Sixers 2031, 2 cursed ass franchises and bro talking about they won’t be good lol.
This sixers have been a lottery team like 1 time since the process ended. I know a lot of you okc fans are new to acting like the sixers are a perennial lottery team is hilarious
Lots of teams let their players walk. They didn’t have to do the trade. Look at Butler, hayward, brunson, etc
Yeah but why do that when you can get 2 firsts and lots of expiring contract money a year earlier to help with the cap? If you’re not a contender this year and you know you don’t want to extend a player that the league values the smart move is to trade when the market is highest.
Unless the highest the market gets to is such a bad deal it’s a detriment to your current chances of winning, at least that’s how I see it.
And once PG expires they’ll be paying someone else that money because that’s how the NBA works. It has nothing to do with ownership or cutting costs. Brad just doesn’t value Jaylen
Because they would lose him if they don’t lol. A trade request was gonna arrive either way. Might as well trade him when he is healthy
I’m not being facetious here, but with this return I don’t see how it’s different to tell him they won’t extend him and both parties can seek a trade opportunity with more time on the clock. There’s 3 years until his contract is up, just because his extension eligibility is a ton sooner doesn’t mean a super lot.
Literally lol. What kind of money move is it to “get out of” extending him when you could just keep him, and not extend him. Like it’s the opposite of a sign and trade.
He’s due up. They don’t “need to”, but that’s like your girl telling you that you don’t need to fold the laundry. You better be up folding when she’s back in the room
You don’t let an all NBA forward walk for nothing in free agency.
But you probably don’t trade him for old Paul George and two picks either.
So who knows
Walk in 3 full years. They could deny the extension and have a long window to trade him. Maybe it gets toxic, maybe it doesn’t. I’m not saying they didn’t have to move him, I wish I understood the urgency.
Or they can you know, not pay him the extension
That’s what they chose
Why not keep him on the team until another better offer inevitably pops up within these three years or worst case scenario, get 3 years from an all nba player and let him go? Why trade him for an insanely overpaid and injured role player?
Because shit can happen, like i don’t know a team signing a highly sought after Free agent and having his leg exploded on live tv for a meaningless exhibition game for team usa…..
Where are people getting the idea a better offer was going to pop up? They’ve been trying to trade him for five years, no one wanted him.
But you’re also kinda punting on having the best team possible during a year or two of Tatum prime. Windows to win snap shut crazy fast to begin with and this just accelerated it.
Had to duck under the tax regardless. Last year and next year were always going to be punted due to the CBA.
PG has one less year on his contract than Brown and won’t be extended to a massive contract
the massive next extension is what most ownership are worried about. that’s how nico duped ownership into the luka trade.
George expires earlier I think
Its about getting quicker dead money
I don’t think this was necessarily ownership forcing the move as much as Brad and the entire Celtics organization deciding that they cant win having two players make as much as Jason and Jaylen were set to make, because of the second apron.
I think the second apron and the salary implications were the “more to it” that he wishes they had talked to him about. Basically to tell him, “look, it doesn’t matter how good you are, we can’t have two players making this much and still construct a winning team”
Look at all the best teams these past couple of playoffs… they have all been very deep teams.
The way the salary cap and second apron work now just don’t let you have two super max players without completely compromising your depth.
At one point soon, the jays woulda been owed 600milion combined. You can’t build a winner with two max’s like that.
How online Jaylen is will be great for us sickos.
That’s why this is trade is one of the funniest outcomes. /r Sixers basically have to delete their entire post history.
I’ve never known a Philadelphian to be ashamed of what they’ve said in the past. For one thing, hypocritical is too long a word for them to understand.
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How come he gets all the easy ones 😂
I would love to take down Hippopopalous and finally topple the acropolis of monstrous hypocrisy that ensconces us
You should employ the help of the Rhymenocerous!
Did Steve tell you that perchance?
Well, Jaylen’s…
Naga…
NagonnaworkinBoston anymore, anyway.
Whatever hippo is in critical condition you better get to a hospital
They don’t care. They hate their own players more than their rivals hate their players
But we’ll also love guys quickly from bitter rivals e.g. Saquon is beloved here.
Well, as long as he stops publicly doing trump things
Y’all act like 29 other fanbases wouldn’t have tried to run Joel out after some of the complete bullshit he’s pulled. Love the guy but he has brought plenty of the hate his way on his own.
And don’t even start on Ben Simmons.
Everyone loves Maxey and VJ.
I have never made fun of his hair or his armbars, not one time!!
Hes going to be so fucking toxic in Philly and im all for it
I love how people say this as if this team hasn’t gone through the Colangelos, Doc Rivers, Ben Simmons, and Jimmy Butler in recent memory.
It’s a normal sized collar, find a new slant. This is just another normal day for the Sixers.
There’s no way Jaylen will be worse than Ben Simmons, I think he’ll actually be a great fit in Philly, he cares a ton and will absolutely be locked in for an FU season.
Dude can ball and will give the Philly media a ton of random quotes to work with. He’s gonna be a great fit lmao
I feel like 90% of that drama was rooted in Doc. Since he’s been gone, there has been noticeably less dysfunction even the basketball hasnt been outstanding
Chat remind me which one of those daily stream?
Tbf he always took the high road. Always. I’m a Laker fan but occasionally I catch his stream and he’s super professional.
Bro, one of our former GM’s had a fucking burner account talking shit on our own players, this is just another Tuesday.
Its unironically great for any basketball fan. This is a top player sharing his mostly unfiltered thoughts, something that fans of the past could’ve never gotten
Not really. When I was little when I imagined more access it was to see behind the scenes training regiments, shooting drills, how the locker room and training facilities look, etc.
Not finding out their thoughts on whether the moon landing is real, vaccine advice, and hanging out with questionable steamers and influencers.
I mean players do show that too lol. Its really not one or the other, everything’s out there
Gilbert Arenas was a pioneer on that front. This was prior to social media but he had a blog for the NBA and he would share exactly what he’s doing to get better and what’s going through his mind. This was great to read because he was actually a psycho with his regimen.
From what I remember, one offseason he was aiming for 100k jumpshots before training camp started again but had to stop because it was taking a toll on his body.
It is pretty crazy the turn he took. Was cool back than in that aspect, but I ended up forgetting all that with him turning into the hot take podcasters. Or maybe shift to influencer/streamer career is more accurate. I hate that entire field.
During the season most of his streaming time was going over game film. But people only post the clips of when he’s bitching about something.
The Hikaru of the basketball
According to Stockfish, this trade was a blunder
If Brown ends up being a combination of Kyrie earth is flat and KD terminally online I really hope he has thicker skin than either of them have.
I really hope he has thicker skin than either of them have.
I see you’re not familiar with JB lol
i.e. Chisholm/Ownership
El Cheapo 🤝 Mr. Cheapskate
Mr. Big Cheapskate
Mr. Baffling Calculus
Mr. Broke Cracker
Mr. Boston Celtics
Mr Cheapo of the East.
Yup. Sounds to me like Brown thinks ownership is behind it and was implying that he was frustrated Brad didn’t outright tell him that was the case. Rock and a hard place for Brad if that’s true because throwing your new bosses under the bus is risky business. Really hope we don’t end up in a situation where Brad gets frustrated and leaves or scapegoated and forced out by the new owners too.
I wouldn’t blame him, I fully believe Brad would never have done this deal if wyc was still majority owner, if he feels like he can’t make the best moves needed to win and is being restricted, he will move on
Ownership might be behind the implied urgency of the move, but Brad should look at how well other GMs have been once they have been on a similar trajectory. Suns, Mavericks etc. gms lose their jobs and reputations like this
Stevens still has a good enough track record that he’d land another executive job.
He’d get scooped up in a second and the Celts will spiral into mediocrity. If Brad gets ousted or leaves I’m out as a Celts fan living out of the area, at least for a while.
Difference is Stevens is an accomplished former coach and is a championship winning executive. His rep is fine.
It’s obvious his hand was forced. Similar to when Presti traded Harden for a bunch of spare parts.
this trade is really giving echos of the mookie trade.
with a boston market that will have high ticket prices no matter what, why do they need to be truly competitive. people will show up anyway. That’s how the red sox function now, and maybe how the celtics will function now that wyc sold
More power to him if it really comes to that. But how often does that happen? A frustrated GM quitting on their owner?
I know it happens a fair amount in baseball but struggling to think of an NBA version.
He quits while he’s ahead or is inevitably fired when the Celts dont do shit because they’re missing one of the twin pillars they built the last decade. But hey, glad to have Part Time Paul on the team. Billion owners don’t want dirt on their shoes, its always the guys downhill that stepped in shit.
wyc was still majority owner
Seeeee this is the problem. Wyc wasn’t the owner, he was the face of the ownership group. His dad was the owner, and his dad threw a temper tantrum because the championship team went $90 million over budget. That’s why they sold it to the highest bidder.
Why would a new owner want a bad PR move like this to be their first big splash? This was a basketball move in the eyes of the FO, but I understand why JB is saying this. Brad is obviously not going to disparage him as a player to his face.
Ask Mavs fans about new owners and PR moves
Same with Portland new owner, who lowballed their coach and is cost cutting like the team is an underperforming Kinkos
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As mean as he was Greek.
He owns the Hurricanes in the NHL too. This is nothing new for him. It’s just he got lucky in the fact the Hurricanes coach doesn’t mind working for peanuts because he was a former player and loves his team.
Rod the Bod could be making a fortune elsewhere and the owner seemingly hasn’t realized that. If only Jordan had this kinda luck as an owner…
billionaires don’t care about PR. seriously look at peter thiel he’s an actual lizard
Dudes accusing others meanwhile Thiel appears to be greasing the ramp for the antichrist himself
the palantair ceo karp had an all time meltdown today too lmao they’re all psycho
or the dodger’s history and current ownership which is arguably worse than just bad PR. but the fans will turn a blind eye.
Owners are so out of touch they thought they had a great deal just like Nico’s deal. You’ve never dealt with these types of people they don’t keep people around that challenge their ideas… like my old boss would say “my intuition made me millions, what did yours get you… you’re working for me”
You’ve nailed it. Most of the billionaire owner class do not even keep people around who would ever tell them to touch grass, much less have any such metaphorical grass in their environment they could touch. They don’t have anyone around to help them think critically about whether other factors created the situations where their “intuition” worked to make them millions (or billions). So it should be entirely unsurprising when they make decisions like these. We shouldn’t even assume there’s some pure economic profit reasoning behind these decisions. Sometimes yes, other times these folks really just think their ideas are awesome.
The problem is you’re assuming these are normal people involved. He is just the face for a group that cares about nothing but dollars and spreadsheets. They bought the team to cut costs and continue to squeeze out money from the fans.
Agreement with John Henry to replace him as most hated owner in the city.
To save money
it could also be that some teammates didn’t want him. they have one inspired by the guy who famously hated his teammate. and another who is brunson like hidden treasure.
I’ve spent way too much time in mlb lately, my first thought was wtf did jazz do now.
Hedge fund wanted to save money in two years.
I swear I heard this dumbass statement everytime, they wanted to trade for Giannis. They just don’t wanna pay 65-70 mil for JB.
It drives me up a wall when I hear it dude. They just didn’t want to pay Jaylen!! What do you think the Celtics just aren’t going to spend that 57-70 million at all and just count their pennies to go buy some ice cream??? No they will be paying other players that are not Jaylen Brown. This is a brad not valuing Jaylen trade. Nothing to do with a fucking hedge fund.
Drives me crazy too. Do they wanna save money? Yes - in order to pay for a true max player if one comes available. Not JB.
Idk this can tank Tatums back 9 of his prime years if they don’t field a team worthy of his skill. They spent the first like 8 years of his career being a very competitive team and now they want to tear it down when you have a proven winning player?
It’s literally A and B it just seemed more likely that healthy Giannis and healthy JT would get over the finish line
Taking on Paul George’s dogshit contract isn’t saving shit. They’re in the same exact cap spot. This trade really seems to only be explained by the fact that someone in the organization wanted him gone.
He has one fewer year on his deal, including the player option. That’s two years from now.
And won’t be extended for the massive deal Brown will expect down the line
They aren’t gonna have to max PG like they would Brown in the next 2 years
We also got two more picks to throw at New Orleans for the imminent Trey Murphy acquisition.
They save a minor amount over the next couple of years but then it’s off the books vs. the three years remaining on Brown’s contract (and the facing of an extension)
It’ll save money in a couple years
New owners didn’t want to pay
So they rather pay PG?
1 less year and can get let him go instead of more or less being forced to extend JB. Very dumb move overall but definitely seems like a call from ownership to save money down the line
if the profit margins go up, it’s a “winning” season, that’s all that matters
money is ruining everything
I think this is exactly what happened with the Hornets (who also have newer owners)
Mf watching what’s going on in Portland and start rubbing their hands together
even if they trade JB during the last year of his current contract it would still get them like 2 picks back like no? so instead of having him for 2 more years they decide to have PG for 2 years make no sense to me, if he sit out during his last season because he want extension you can fine his ass and find a trade on the way.
I don’t get how many times this has to be explained. You now don’t need to pay Jaylens extension and you can move off PGs expiring earlier while acting like you’re trying to compete. It was a completely stupid move but they did it to save $
Tbf even in terms of team construction you dont really want to give your second best player this big of a contract anymore if you can avoid it due to the new CBA. It is similiar to the KAT trade
They’re not signing PG to a 75 million per year extension.
He knows exactly what he’s doing by saying this. He already knows Celtics fans are out for blood wanting to blame ownership
would he have any incentive to lie about this? like if he genuinely thought this was coming from brad stevens, he would just say so at this point since he’s already been traded
I have no doubt that Brad himself has a great relationship with practically every player that stepped foot through his office and Jaylen might just hate seeing that he’s burdening so much of the blame. He understand that it’s just business but of course, a lot of people will take trading away a home grown All-NBA caliber talent as a personal offense.
I think there absolutely is a PR angle for him.
If your GM wants to trade you, they see you as lower value than what they could get on the market/not what the team needs to win.
If ownership is demanding to trade you for financial reasons, you can scapegoat by saying you have a cheap owner, effectively taking the blame off your basketball skill.
JB is good and is probably worth more than PG plus 2 1sts and 2 2nds if the Celtics had more leverage, but he also has a clear angle to be spreading this discourse.
Its quite obvious it wasnt just brad Steven’s. He isn’t known for making dumb moves but unfortunately he is going to catch the heat for it .
all he needs is public confirmation that he said this is dumb as hell and celtics shouldn’t do it and he could have any job
I think it’s more complex than that.
To really understand how complicated things got for Killer the dog, you need to know the whole backstory.
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If not now then when honestly. This is the prime time everyone wants to hear what he has to say
Dude’s acting like it’s 1932 and he expected to have to wait until the morning paper to hear anything about it.
This is one of the reasons the team and media hate him. Before this players couldnt immediately go live to thousands of fans and their clips go viral with millions of views to speak their mind
Why? So the media and team can leak whatever narrative they want about him and he can’t respond? lol
I rarely complain about media coverage but this whole thing was ridiculous. Prior to trade they all said there must be rumblings of being unhappy and they loved to push that. Right after trade all i keep hearing was how he never asked for a trade and that he was fine with staying. Whatever gets them attention I guess
I bet that is a huge part
what’s the worst thing that Brown has said on stream?
that this was his favorite season?
He’s really not a controversial guy. All of his controversies are some variation of “Brown has opinion on thing being said about him.”
Eh, he had some takes on certain groups a few years back. Seems he realized what not to talk about and now mostly just yaps about shit that doesn’t matter.
Idk i just seen him in clips clapping back at guys like Stephen A and Cowherd
As he should those guys take wild shots at athletes for views.
Bro I guarantee you nobody in the Celtics organization gives a fuck about that.
Athletes have been doing that for years
That doesn’t make a whole load of sense, the media can just report on his stream
The media loves when players do that lol, it’s free content for them to recap for days
Paul George has a podcast lol
Private equity absolutely ruined all of my favorite things (mostly fast food restaurants come to mind, I like what I like don’t judge me). So as much as Brown is cringe I will never take their side against him.
The worst team of all time (process Sixers) absolutely smashed the S&P500 in value growth during their run. I will never take the side of ownership. Literal dragon levels of greed.
soccer, video games, like having a house. private equity ruins everything
They’re taking over veterinary clinics now too. Oh spot needs emergency lifesaving surgery? Mittens swallowed a piece of floss?
That’ll be 15 grand to be paid off on biweekly installments please, and go fuck yourself :D
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I think he really mean “Brad Stevens is a liar”
Anyone ever seen Daryl and Brad at the same place at the same time? Case closed.
Maybe Daryl was the one keeping the dumbass energy away from Brad. Daryl gets booted and now Brad shits his pants
Brad Stevens is a liar, and I will never be a part of an organization he’s a part of. Let me say that again: Brad Stevens is a liar, and I will never be part of an organization he’s a part of
I hated that we sold to private equity then and I hate it now. Fuck Wyc’s dad and fuck every private equity shithead on the planet.
Can’t believe I’m saying this but I wish Jizz Beefos bought the team like it was rumored. He is more about dick measuring than any billionaire.
This was probably an ownership move and Brad didn’t want to stand ground for Brown as Brown would’ve liked.
Where’s your jet pack Zuckerberg
I feel bad for the dude honestly. Celtics just seem to hate him
I was dismayed when Draymond started podcasting but now I’m thankful that it was a podcast rather than a livestream, at least the thoughts are put through an editing process before being released to the public. Feel like livestreaming would worry the hell out of me if Brown played for my team.
Is the more to it that ownership wanted him gone?
I have always loved the guys he’s what got me into ball, and Celtics ball. Such a professional. I love him
Brad Stevens is a liar and I will never be a part of any organization that he’s a part of.
The fact that Brad Stevens knows as soon as he has a conversation with you you’ll go online and repeat what he said probably has something to do with why you didn’t get that explanation. “Oh hey chat, Brad just told me he wanted to keep me but our dumb owner was too cheap to pay me my money. His words.”
Y’all are going to blame ownership as if not wanting to pay this guy $70m a year until he’s like 37 is some unpopular opinion.
Guys it’s okay, the Celtics have a guy who is basically Jaylin Brunson but just hasn’t been “discovered” yet.
brads made good calculated moves for years. even if they’re not well liked there’s a reasoning
this is just so out of nowhere it does make sense that this was an ownership choice, and brad got overruled
Idc JB vs embiid live streams are gonna be heat I’m so ready
Is he in a fucking submarine. Turn off the damn radar ping
Yes, he’s in the seaport after all
Wow I honestly thought Bos was better than this. It sounds like they didn’t speak to him during this process. I agree with JB that he earned the respect to be notified on what was going on.
the new owners
Richest people on the planet making everything worse in every way. Gotta love it
I mean clearly its ownership being cheap . Thanks alot chisholm nice investment
Ducking the tax is weak shit when you have two all nba players. Why buy an NBA team if you aren’t going to keep the standard of excellence?
Go be great baller
My guess is their plan is to ride out 1 year of a clearly worse team, then trade PG’s expiring contract + picks/players for a serious piece to try to contend again.
I bet it was JT who told Brad he wanted JB gone. Nothing else explains the urgency the front office had to trade him
If JT had that type of cancerous ego, they would have gotten rid of JT instead. He has much higher trade value as well.
I think it was JB’s favorite season remark. Not only threw Tatum under the bus, but everything the team and organization achieved the last 4 years
Ownership balked at the JB bill
I dont get humans can just sit in a twitch chat and type shit no one will probably read for hours at a time.
Those who even watched Stevens a bit know he’s a player’s coach. He appears very kind and understanding.
Yeah, he’s gonna get flamed for the fleecing but it was probably a “trade him or I’m gone” situation and I don’t blame him at all.
i’m not seeing many people theorize that tatum wanted brown gone. i’m not saying it’s true, but isn’t it a possibility? essentially brad had to choose either tatum or brown and he chose tatum? i would at least put it in the list of possible explanations: 1. Ownership 2.Brad didn’t think they could win with the Jays 3. Tatum wanted Brown gone because he doesn’t like him and/or feels threatened
It feels rushed and desperate.
Does this dude stream like 14 hours a day?
It’s the off season and he just got traded
What’s wrong with a 29 year old dude streaming lol
At least he’s not out there getting arrested on gun charges like Harden or doing stupid shit like Ja
The Celtics have done some dirty stuff to both Isaiah Thomas and Jaylen Brown now. Says something about that franchise and how they treat their hardest working players.
Doesn’t your franchise owner use surveillance cameras to track transgender fans in the audience and also employs a rapist
Is it that bad to be traded to a good Philly team though? Brown will be fine here, it’s not like he’s going to a bottom feeder. They made the second round and should be substantially better next year. This didn’t cost Brown any money either.
IT on the other hand was absolutely screwed over. I get why and how but sheesh
IT was also traded to the contending Cavs with prime Lebron James, he wasn’t traded to Sacramento. Also IT now works in the Celtics organisation.
How was IT screwed over? They were never gonna overpay an undersized player. Not a celtics fan but that was understandable
The media is never honest about how much ownership is involved in these decisions! Not to mention if ownership told Brad to trade him by the end of the week, then it had to get done!
Say what you want about these dudes streaming or whatever, but this type of transparency is pretty cool to see.