[Haberstroh] The Celtics trading [Jaylen] Brown is a bet that [Payton] Pritchard is their in-house version of New York Knicks guard Jalen Brunson, a diminutive player who didn’t fully show his talents until Luka Dončić was out of the picture
Source: https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/did-the-celtics-give-away-jaylen-brown-why-analytics-dont-see-phillys-new-star-as-elite-of-elite-004011270.html
The coping stage has begun.
LOL. Boston fans must be extra pissed
Nah this is text book league overreaction. Before the finals it was small guards cant lead you to a title now that Brunson did it it’s let’s find the next Brunson. Ignoring the fact he is a clear outlier.
I got my popcorn
I hear you but I think this is just Boston putting out this to let it seem like they had a good plan all along.
Yahoo writers are not mouth pieces for Celtics org…
If you say so….
“Good plan” idk about that Jan
Oh that’s exactly my point. LOL.
Lol
It also ignores how stacked the Knicks are. KAT/OG/Hart/Bridges/Brunson is an insane starting lineup.
I wasn’t going to toot my teams own horn lol but you make a great point.
It’s the same thing with all these massive centers getting big contracts now. If you were on here during the Roy Hibbert years, people were convinced you needed a 6’9 small ball big who could shoot. Now everyone thinks you can’t defend or rebound unless you have a 7’4 drop coverage big.
Their sub is hilarious
Thank you for that ! I just went over there - they want to fire Brad Stevens. LOL. My favorite comment was “Brad Stevens is a terrorist”. Hilarity.
Why would we be huge mad? We just won the finals a few years ago. Fuck it man. I’m good.
OK if you say so
The goal of every team should be to win the finals every year. Being content is a recipe for disaster in sports.
I’ve been reserving my judgement until after the first few games because I trust Brad, but trading away prime Brown for a 36 year old Paul George and 2 firsts is making it hard.
Even for cope, this level is impressive.
Believing Pritchard (at 28!) can suddenly become like one of the most unique and outlier NBA superstars of all time is a take that would be far fetched for even the most delusional of fans.
I mean Pritchard has been excellent. Without brown on the court his numbers I think spectacular. I guess the argument is that he can pick up a lot of the slack not that he’s Brunson
Yeah, he did last year without Tatum. He’s really solid.
Celtics will still be a very good team with Tatum, PG13, White, Pritchard and a solid core of role players.
This move just weirdly made them worse on paper which contenders don’t usually do.
I really think Brad feels this is addition by subtraction. JB is a ball dominant wing who doesn’t facilitate especially well, is turnover prone, and for all his POA prowess is atrocious off ball on defense.
I think we’re almost moneyballing this which is wild. Brad thinks that most of JBs offensive impact can be created in the aggregate, and that what can’t will be outweighed by not having his deficiencies on the court.
Houston tried playmaking by aggregate and it turned fucking awful. I don’t think scoring by committee is a good idea
We don’t need playmaking by aggregate, JT is one of the best point forwards in the league and is a great to elite facilitator.
If the Celtics think that PP is capable of scaling his non-JB minutes, then PP pretty instantly gets you a lot of browns scoring impact with better efficiency, more assists, and less turnovers. I have no idea if that’s how it will play out, but it’s more like “replace 70% of JBs offensive impact with more efficient scoring from PP, and then make up that other 30% with better defense, less turnovers, and winning the possession battle more”.
In the regular season I have no doubt it can be. Of course that all falls apart if PG13 at age 36 and Mitch can’t stay healthy which I think is pretty likely unless you really manage them.
Funny enough, much like moneyball im just a little skeptical it can work in the playoffs when it feels like at the end of games you need a guy who can take say Castle one on one and get a bucket in a big moment.
We already have that guy in JT (in theory).
FWIW there is no way PG13 is a long term piece of the plan. Next year he is an expiring contract, and I would be shocked if he wasn’t traded to a team looking to clear cap space the year after. That opens up 55 million dollars to sign a big free agent or trade all these FRPs and assets for a major piece that the team feels compliments Tatum and the system better. There’s a ton of overreactions and understandably a lot of anger from Celtics fans, but I really think people are going to be surprised next year.
For as much as I love JB and JT, they were incredibly prone to falling into “your turn, my turn” on offense. JT is a far better facilitator than JB, so JTs turns get the rest of the team involved while JBs tend to not. It’s always been a bit of a clunky fit as much as some don’t want to admit it, and it’s fucking incredible that we managed to get a ring in this parity era with them. But we aren’t building another super team like 2024 while paying 2 ball dominant wings 70% of the salary cap, I just think it’s untenable.
I guess we will find out on the facilitation stuff, he’s definitely better than JB at playmaking but I’ve never really viewed JT as a guy you can give the ball to as a playmaking hub vs a 1 on 1 menace. What made the Celtics so scary when they won it imo is they had 4 guys that could drive, pass, shoot and defend at a pretty high level at worst, made life miserable to guard. JT is obviously the best all around though and the guy you worried about dropping 50 on your ass.
I think they still have that to an extent and it’s why yall would honestly be my predicted 1 seed in the east provided Mitch and PG13s health. But it’s still going to be a ton of perimeter stuff come playoffs considering I’d say JT is even more prone to settling for a step back 3 let’s say than JB.
I do agree though, this is a long term move and you make a great point about that cap space, especially with some big names out there potentially.
It’s terrible trade and I hate it, but Boston is better right now than they were last season. It’s the exact same team, but instead of Brown it’s Tatum and a washed up PG
Better than last year, but not better than they would have been had they just not made this trade.
The firsts are nice but no matter how you spin it talent wise a washed PG13 isn’t on JBs level.
I agree
To be fair to Haberstroh, he’s not saying PP = Brunson. He’s theorizing that he could experience a meteoric rise now that the space has opened up on the roster, similar to Brunson’s later than average rise in the NBA
yeah but it doesn’t make sense. the celtics at any point were never as heliocentric as luka mavs. I don’t see how jb was preventing pritchard from anything
Yeah like even last year without Tatum those touches were open to him
I guess you could see Tatum creates more space and is a slightly better playmaker but I don’t really think Tatums speciality is his 3 point shot or playmaking. You could argue JB attacking the paint allowed more open looks from 3 even.
Tatum is better than Brown, how would that make Pritchard worse?
It won’t, not sure where you got that from my comment. I just don’t think Pritchards usage will be much more than it was last year. He was really good last year as basically a 2nd scorer to JB, I don’t see how that role changes much now with Tatum back.
Unless the Celtics completely change their system which I guess Brad Stevens did say they needed to tweak some things in the press conference post loss.
I don’t either. That’s my point, Pritchard has nothing to do with this, he’ll stay the same. But Tatum is way better than brown and we get a washed up PG as a kicker. I hate this trade, but we are not worse than last season
😂 it’s an interesting take for sure.
For what it’s worth, as a Sixers fan I HATE Pritchard, probably because I’m subconsciously afraid of him torching us.
Btw, I have a PG-13 Thunder jersey I bought as a joke cause it was only 10 bucks. Happy to pass it on to a new sarcastic PG super fan. LMK…
I’d be happy to take it off your hands so I can burn it. Congrats on the free finals MVP. I’m in complete depression
As a lakers fan I appreciate that it’s the same with all fanbases
Analytically Pritchard and White are Kobe and Shaq
Considering that Cavs won an analytical playoff series, I think Celtics fans will take that
Don’t forget about Hugo “MJ” Gonzalez.
Bro, Payton Pritchard is a poor man’s Jordan Poole lmao. The only thing he got going is that he didn’t get punched.
Definitely way better than Poole but nowhere near Brunson
Nahhh, Jordan Poole is better. This guy would throw bombs and had Dion Waiters confidence. If Poole didn’t get punched he’d still be in the Warriors lighting it up.
Fuck Draymond for ruining it smh 🤦
Throw bombs with confidence is the definition of Jordan Poole. Atleast Pritchard wasn’t attempting game winners with an open Tatum or Brown next to him
How in the world do you even begin to figure that? Pritchard is so much better than Poole.
PP is a good defender, Poole is awful.
Offensively, PP’s career FG splits are 46⁄39.5 with a 59.4% TS. Poole’s career FG splits are 42⁄34.5 with a 56% TS.
Is Pritchard another Brunson? No, realistically not. But he’s sure as hell better than Poole. And there is plenty of room for a bigger role for PP.
I think PP is very good and will benefit from the added usage. It’s not to say he’s going to instantly replace Jaylen but I think the Celtics dropoff is being wildly overstated with where Jaylen’s usage will be redistributed.
I also think that Philly may regret taking touches from Maxey and especially Edgecombe (who needs them to keep reaching his potential) to feed Jaylen, but we’ll see.
I think it’s more likely that Embiid will be utilized at a lower rate since his health is an issue. They will have to do better than hukporti
Yet.
that game they combined for 84 out of disrespect for Bam changed boston forever
You see, Payton Pritchard is white and so is Larry Bird. Therefore they are the same
All some Boston fans need. Clearly more impactful than Brown
Payton Pritchard, Luke Garza, Baylor Schierman to the Lakers for Bronny, Jared Vanderbilt and Ayton.
Who says no?
lol. lmao even.
Jaylen Brown is Payton Pritchard
It’s so funny because the post above this is Cowher saying Brown thought he was “the smartest guy in the room.” Based on the trade and this take, he might have been!
Close. The Celtics believe Payton Pritchard is Jalen Brunson
Pritchard is genuinely an underrated player by many fans outside of Boston and Oregon, but that’s come serious cope
I get that everyone is shitting on Boston but the point is very clearly that he’s a Jaylen Brunson type of player in that their both short pgs who are good offensively
That would be fine, but the story says “didn’t fully show his talents until Luka Dončić was out of the picture”. Implying that Jaylen Brown’s presence on the Celtics roster was holding down Pritchard, and now that he’s gone we’ll see a Brunson like rise for Pritchard
That’s not just reddit being reddit, that’s a Celtics mouthpiece saying objectively wild stuff for the team. Either the Celtics actually believe that or they’re just slingin’ it right now in the wake of the trade. Either way, that’s just not good
Yep! He’s my favorite player not on the Blazers but that’s a wild take.
Players like Pritchard and TJ McConnell were so good in college, but were consistently underrated for way too long
Primarily because they were undersized white guys that many didn’t watch because they played out west
Pritchard’s shooting separates him from McConnell, but to compare him to Brunson right now is wild
If I were a conference rival, I’d be thrilled if Brad and the Gang is putting all their eggs in the Fast PP basket
What if he shoots 50 half-court shots a game? Checkmate.
Oh believe me, we are.
Insane sentence
Austin Reaves signs max contract with player option
Jaylen Brown traded for Paul George.
Payton Pritchard can be Jalen Brunson with more opportunities. Despite already playing 32+ mpg in the playoffs.
THIS CAN’T BE REAL LIFE
That Reaves reality check this season gonna be a nasty one for Lakers fans without that LeBron safety net.
That most definitely came from the media and not from the Celtics
Pritchard can’t win with these cats.
Lmaoooooooo
Lmaoooooo.
I can’t believe this is a serious conversation.
He played 33 min per game with an almost 20% usage in the playoffs. How much more do they expect…?
He had 10 great regular season games when brown was out so they’re betting that he can put up that 27 and 8 on 44% from 3 for a full season and against high caliber playoff defense
I think PP is a very good player. That isn’t viable for him
To magically learn how to foul bait like Brunson with Jaylen gone? I have no idea. I watch the games, Pritchard is a great sixth man but he’s not Brunson and no Celtics fan believes this line of bullshittery
The team that thought brown was the 7th best player was the Boston Celtics apparently
Uhhhhhhhhhh
good luck with that
Ha! That’s hilarious. PP is not a bum by any means but betting on him to become the next Brunson is insane cope
Trying the Becky Hammond approach on Caitlin Clark. I see the vision
You’ll have to explain this context
CC felt insulted being compared to PP
LMAO it’s a financial decision, stop with this BS
Holy shit…
Pritchard: Come on man. I’m making $8million a year.
Did celtics FO suddenly get hit in the head or something? Thats fucking asinine lol
This has to be a joke
So who is Paul George in this messed up roleplay?
OG Anunoby
Wow we broke them after that series last year huh
Nah they were fine all year the sixers broke them
Which I guess is fair
this trade is making more sense now that it seems the front office has completely lost it and is huffing paint maybe. or glue
Whatever they are drinking and smoking they need to share it with all of us because they’re delusions are just out of control
I mean, we can dream right?
Is this a meth fueled dream that Brad had that told him this?
Yikes.
This cannot be real I’m sorry Payton Pritchard and Jalen Branson in the same sentence?????
All I see is copeee
Kids, we have Jalen Brunson at home
Is it me or the media is making a lot of bs claims on their own for hits
The only similarities are that they’re both 6’1 and wear #11
No it’s not
Bruh ☠️
This shit is like the 5 stages of grief lmao. They broke up with their star, dumped him by trading him to a rival no less, and now are bargaining that their 6th man will make some magical leap and become a FMVP player like Brunson….lmao
This is insane cope
they got white Jalen at home
Jalen Brunson at home.
Analytically Pritchard could even become a Finals MVP!
So they decided to ship out their own Finals MVP!
This take is laughable
LOL
“I let my fiance leave because I figured Rihanna would be my wife one day”
Terrible take. Lmao
A dude who doesn’t show up in Game 6 and 7?
Incredible cope.
Guaranteed to be a star with the right playing time. So talented.
That’s your opinion of Payton Pritchard? He’s a budding star?
Not my opinion. Basically what the statement in the article implies.
big pp in the house now
Brad Stevens is going too heavy on the coke
What an insane way to try to spin this awful trade
Begun, the coping has
He’s the Caitlin Clark of the NBA
Hahahahaha
Lol, nobody was paying payton pritchard 100 million dollars betting on that like the knicks did brunson.
Huge fan of Pritchard but this comparison ain’t it
if jalen brunson were in this year’s draft, i’m not even sure i’d gamble on jalen brunson becoming jalen brunson. a 1 in 100 player succeeding doesn’t magically change the odds for that type of player.
Payton Pritchard looks like he plays drums in a late 90s early 2000s suburban angst punk band.
Celtics analytics department got that Kanye west nitrous hook up.
So if this was their thought why not shop him from the start? Just admit you thought you were getting Giannis for your underbid, lost and have been scrambling since.
And Hugo is the next bron
Oh no
LOL…sounds like a Bill Simmons take. Did they see him in the playoffs?
I love how everybody just conviently forgets everything that just happened.
LMFAO wtf did I actually just read ?
jalen brunson is the new Kawhi in that everyone is now “the new jalen brunson” like everyone was “the new kawhi” for a couple years.
jalen brunson and kawhi are one of one talents and its not replicable lol
I wonder how close the Celtics are to a full rebuild. If Tatum doesn’t return to peak form, they probably go full rebuild mode right? Even with a 90% Tatum you should recoup a lot of assets. White is tradeable. Mitch too. PP as well. I wonder how much of this extreme desire to trade JB now is a hedge against that possibility. If both JB and JT are available at once, teams will strongarm the Celtics and they probably trade both on a discount as opposed to just JB this year.
The 7 stages of grief—expanded from the original Kübler-Ross model—provide a framework to process deep loss. While grief is highly non-linear and personal, these stages include: 1. Shock, 2. Denial, 3. Anger, 4. Bargaining, 5. Depression, 6. Testing (Reconstruction), and 7. Acceptance
Looks like this is stage 4?
Buying a team and the becoming broke lol
Oke sure. But why tf do you trade him for paul george
To be clear I do disagree with the statement that white is better than brown
What did I just read. That’s like us hoping Alex Sarr turns into AD
If true, Brad Stevens has ginormous balls making this bet and putting it all on Payton Pritchard.
How long till Tatum asks out of this mess? Training camp or the trade deadline?
So analytically, Pritchard is Brunson and White is top 10 too. Splendid.
You didn’t even mention Hugo!
lol what?!
Jaylen Brown had to Luka Doncic so Derrick White could Michael Jordan
Feels like a lot of these Brunson-ish players play way too clean. Brunson’s game is unique in that he operates like a big wing or even a big in the post on top of having pretty good guard skills. And he blends it all together in a seemingly random way that feels creative and unnatural at the same time.
Analytically, the Celtics are up 3-1 this offseason
Wow lol
We got a top 5 point guard at home!!!
Rightttt
The issue is not trading Brown itself.. its the shit return for trading him.
I still think Celtics have a good roster? The trade does not makes sense but they still have Tatum, White, and PP.
Boston just needs to stop. Admit this is a stupid trade and move on coz none of these make sense
Lmao wtf is this
I love pp and all, but wasn’t it proven this year roughly what his ceiling is? At best he is your 3rd-4th option.
Brown: PP over me!?!?
Man.. Brunson is great for small guards the next couple of years.
He’ll be starting alongside white but not sure he is their 1A. That will still be Tatum
Who u got Jordan or prichard? Gotta say this is a tough one
I think Derek White is also getting in the way of Payton Pritchard. Celtics should get rid of White. Send that bum to Houston for DFS and Capela.
Damn then they should trade Tatum too. Don’t let anyone hold Pritchard back!
Classy Jalen Brunson
I can’t stop laughing. I’ve never seen Boston this dysfunctional, it’s crazy.
Queta/Tatum/PG/White/Pritchard can do well in the regular season, but this retooling to bring down their payroll has been rough.
Ragebait made up by some rando and Reddit is falling for it, classic
Why are they doing this when no Celtics fan actually believes this? They aren’t fooling anybody.
Narrator: Payton Pritchard was not said player
Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do
Still should get full freight for brown
Huh? But you still have JT? Lmao
Is Jalen Brunson the NBA’s version of Josh Allen? The guy who made a 1⁄10,000 leap and, as a result, will get a lot of GMs/coaches fired?
Even if Pritchard is the answer, that doesn’t mean you have to trade Brown for peanuts. Why not get a haul AND keep your “next Jalen Brunson”
Lololol
P lol
I’ll never count someone out, love Payt’s game. Hard hard worker too. So let’s see, I am excited to see him start
Awesome work overall by Haberstroh here sucks he had to make that Pritchard comparison he’ll never be Captain Clutch 😂