[MacMahon] The simple fact is, the analytics-driven front offices believe that Jaylen Brown is significantly overpaid, and they don’t value him as much as the media does. The media is the one who votes on all those awards.
We know, Kenny Atkinson already told us Derrick White is a top 5 player in the league.
Analytically, the Cavs won the championship this year
The word analytically is now Cavs forever identity
They’re gonna need an analytical therapist to console their stats nerds. Could really benefit from someone like Dr. Fünke
An analyst and a therapist?
Ianal
-the Cleveland Cavaliers
I think this will drive lebron from returning to the Cavs
Imagine Cavs staff said “Bron I think analytically you better play like this this this”
These people will watch a game and completely disregard how they feel about a player because the analytics told them something different. Every team would love to have Derrick White, but when you start saying stuff like he’s a top 5 player you can’t tell me these people use their brains. They are slaves to the analytics at this point.
Are we pretending like brad Stevens is bad at his job?
Or that the other 28 gms who didn’t bother beating that offer are all bad at their jobs?
At some point, the eye test doesn’t hold up against 29 front offices and their entire talent evaluation departments
Does Brown pass the eye test? I’ve never thought he was a great player watching him. He reminds me a lot of Donovan Mitchell. High volume, low efficiency.
He can put up numbers, but the team isn’t super positive when Brown is playing because they’d be more efficient doing anything else.
What’s their record with him?
Nah man the entirety of NBA Front Offices are wrong and my personal eye test is right.
/s
I back the Sixers on this, they’ve pretty much got a flawless track record
Here is the part that me and some others are having a really hard time understanding:
Ok, fine, lets all agree for this exercise that the eye test is wrong and Paul George is actually an elite player and jaylen brown is the most overrated player in the nba. (Lets ignore playoff stats as well apparently for this exercise)
The only thing that makes any kind of sense is if the celtics plan on using these newly acquired picks, plus their own to go out and get another elite player. Because a big 3 of Tatum, White and George is probably getting bounced in the 1st round.
They are 1 year removed from a title and they are basically in rebuild mode after moving Holiday, porzingis and now brown
George actually is still a really good player, he’s just a role player now as his shot creation and isolation play is terrible because he can’t get to the rim or beat guys off the dribble. But he’s a great shooter, connective passer and defender. The celtics also likely value his expiring contract the season after this. My guess is they think Tatum will take an extra season to get back to his best, so they’re collecting assets and a large expiring and are planning on trading for a star next off season by packaging Georges expiring and a lot of assets.
i don’t think this is saying PG is a better player. it’s that PG fits their thing and is still a pretty good player. they gain financial flexibility by getting off brown’s contract a year early. the management game is a bit different now with the second apron too. teams are clearly acting differently because of it
I don’t think he’s bad at his job, but this is a horrible move. I also think that player valuation is just kinda out of whack right now. There are a lot of players with pre new CBA contracts who have now become albatrosses because of their salary even though they are actually very good players. I do think JB was overpaid, however, getting Paul George back for him is insanity.
I think people are making a bad assumption and assuming these analytics departments are all stacked with geniuses or are using well-vetted stats. Some of these departments probably have pressure to produce stats that package well, are easy to understand, and that the high ups can grasp. Stats like those often have gaps, but people take them into account like they aren’t just one factor in a larger decision.
These people will watch a game and completely disregard how they feel about a player because the analytics told them something different.
I don’t think this is really happening.
It’s like when my aunt starts talking about schools teaching kids how to be trans during Thanksgiving
As a teacher that shit is so annoying.
At the same time you can’t be blinded to the advances in metrics and analytics when it comes to player evaluation. Gone are the days where scouts and front offices use (oftentimes) faulty heuristics for determining what makes a good player.
In baseball terms, it’s like stubbornly sticking to using batting average or win/loss record to evaluate hitters and pitchers, when we have far better stats and models available. It was also the case in baseball that the media (who vote for awards) were behind the curve compared to front offices. I think we will soon (5-10 years or so) be at a point where not considering more advanced analytics in awards voting will be the rare case, the opposite of what it is today.
I really need to know if most catch all analytics really do view him as a top 5 player lol feels like it’s hyperbole at this point
Remember back in the day when Dave Berri said that Landry Fields was the runaway ROY and should receive MVP votes? Analytics psychosis has always been a thing lol
Well, the people who get paid based on results (NBA front offices, professional gamblers, etc) tend to be all-in on analytics.
While armchair fans and media members tend to be against it.
Pick your fighters.
No they don’t lol.
The NBA run their front offices like an investment firm now.
There’s qualitative and quantitative methods. Analytics are just one piece of the puzzle. It’s not an “All-In” driver.
Brunson getting his college teammates where they won 2 national championships together plus OG and KAT was widely critical. 5 first rounders for Mikal.
However the Leon Rose / Brunson roster construction was a masterclass in ‘sum of the parts’ analysis. Pure analytics doesn’t take into account their winning relationship spanning a decade.
Yaxel and aday only had one year together at Michigan. The nova dynamic is pretty rare. They were good enough to completely dominate in college and develop into great NBA players, but also somehow undervalued in the draft so they spent a long time together in college.
Bridges, brunson, and divo were together 3 years and won 2 championships. I can’t think of another group like that other than the Noah/horford gators decades ago
True - I don’t think those 3 from the Michigan roster could replicate what the Nova Knicks did as it was in the hired gun NIL era. It was a wild example and I was spit balling
Nova just had so much NBA talent that gelled together in that run. Maybe Dunleavy/Battier/Boozer would have some synergies? Not talented enough to win as starters, but Battier was a winning basketball player in college and NBA.
It’s pretty obvious which direction gives the best results.
If you’re gonna use only one or the other then analytics are probably better than 99% of the people out there. But the issue is we shouldn’t use only one or the other, they’re all pieces to the whole
The teams don’t use one or the other. They just don’t pretend themselves to be experts on these players from sitting on their couch casually watching games like the “eye test” folks do.
yes but you guys are talking about “which direction” like it’s a binary choice
Which direction is between the heavy utilization of analytics as a powerful part of your toolbag, or just flippantly disregarding them because your surface level observation of an extremely complex subject disagrees.
Yeah it’s crazy people think these can’t coexist.
Like instead of shitting on White maybe analytics should make people watch him a bit closer and try to figure out what the analytics might be picking up on. And the same for JB maybe there’s things in his game the analytics are saying are more flashy than effective.
If you study film on Jaylen Brown where you actually watch him every possession defensively, his eye test gets A LOT WORSE than watching him following the ball on TV. His off-ball defense is unbelievably bad. It makes perfect sense why the analytics rate him as the worst defender on the Celtics.
It’s not black or white. The smart people you’re referring to know this better than you do. The people who pick “sides” and go all-in with blind faith in either direction are the ones who don’t get paid based on results.
Ok well there was just an open market bidding process for Jaylen Brown. That’s a pretty effective way of assessing how people value something.
Best they could do was a salary dump.
Man, I missed that what about Landry Fields stats made people think he was good. My eye test hated him.
His rookie year had a relatively similar stat profile to Josh Hart basically, efficient shooting, low turnover, best rebounder for his sizes.
A guy who gets you more possessions to play with and never wastes those.
I forgot he said that, and he said that weird thing about the cavs actually winning analytically. We need a term like analytics psychosis lmao cause Kenny’s got it
Haha, I forgot about that
I’m now convinced there is a growing number of teams using AI to make their decisions
He’s a top 5 player in the league in my heart 😍
It was a money saving move as much as anything
If Brown made $45 mil per season he’d still be a Celtic
The number one difference between how fans think vs how GMs think, regardless of how into analytics they are, is how good are they vs how much they are paid. And it isnt about saving the owner money (usually).
Simply put, all else equal, if Jokic is making \(59m, Tatum is making \)58m, Giannis is making \(58m, Ant is making \)49m etc, the team paying Jaylen Brown $57m is in a shitty spot.
He’s not an actual bad player, but he has question marks around his game and impact that better players making around the same or less dont have. If he was making $45m, now he’s better than a lot of the guys making that much or more, and his value would be much better.
Yep this is also why the wolves chose Gobert over KAT
There is a cap. It isn’t just about the owners pockets.
Hard to beat OKC when they get Shai for 60 million and you get Jaylen Brown. That’s a handicap already. Which means you have to hit everywhere else on the roster to make up the difference.
The issue with this logic is that it assumes that you will be able to obtain good enough talent to be competitive. How many teams have won rings because of this line of thinking? Usually teams have an “overpaid” player and a cheaper player/s who blossom. Min maxing contracts when it comes to your stars doesn’t hold much weight since at some point it’s not value, it’s talent.
Well its not just about the star, its about doing this across the whole roster. Its just that the low level superstars are the ones making the most above what they should currently imo, or at least theyre the contracts that end up restricting teams the most. Also, which recent winners or even finals teams have had their best player be overpaid?
2026 Spurs - Wemby made 13m. Fox was probably overpaid but at $37m he wasnt really restricting them much
2026 Knicks - KAT was maybe overpaid but Brunson only made $34.9m and took a big pay cut to allow other players to get overpaid
2025 OKC - Shai made only $35m and led the team in price tag
2025 Pacers - Siakam and Hali both made $42m
2024 Celtics - you could debate about jrue and porzingis making \(36m, but Tatum and Brown where only making \)32m. Lots of great contracts all around and the Jrue and Porzingis contracts didnt really restrict them
2024 Mavs - Luka only made \(40m, Kyrie only \)37m. Those were 16th and 22nd in the nba.
2023 Heat - Jimmy made \(37m, Bam made \)30m. That was good for 14th and 38th overall.Hero was making only $5.7m putting up 20ppg. In retrospect, great contracts that let the Heat very very deep.
2023 Denver Jokic was making \(33m (29th). I think this easily outweighs Murray making \)31m (32nd) or Porter at $31m as well (36th).
I think those are all the apron years. It looks like every single team had their best player on at least a very good deal, and several on a great deal. Some of these teams were overpaying a bit for roleplayers, but no one was relying on their #1 guy being overpaid.
The difference is like 3 million
Not really
2024-25 $49,205,800
2025-26 $53,142,264
…
2026-27 $57,078,728
2027-28 $61,015,192
2028-29 $64,951,656
BOS got off an analytically challenged player on a monumental contract (PG’s contract is shorter) and picked up a couple draft picks in the process.
Surprising given his accolades, sure… but that’s a ton of money saved and flexibility opened up.
I think many fans are lost in the “OMGHEWASFINALSMVP” narrative and missing that Celtic’s FO decided they had the young talent to make up his production on much better deals, playing the (somewhat peculiar) way that Stevens and Mazzulla want to play.
It’s worth remembering that the C’s ONLY championship team with the 2 Js had 3 other All Stars filling out the starting 5 and stretching the floor out in an unprecedented and unrepeatable way.
Still a surprising move –and I suspect personality/culture fit played a huge role– but Boston’s front office sure hasn’t seemed stupid the last few years.
That is actually insane. The league is so top heavy it feels with contracts.
Go look at what mediocre players like Keegan Murray, Myles Turner, and Christian Braun are making
Brother PG has a trade bonus what are you saying.
Idk why they wouldn’t just trade for Giannis.
But they don’t have to negotiate an extension with PG off him making $65m per year like they would Brown.
This is wrong.
PG: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/6892/paul-george
26⁄27: 54.1m
27⁄28: 56.6m
JB: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/20208/jaylen-brown
26⁄27: 57.1m
27⁄28: 61m
28⁄29: 65m
Really the biggest tangible difference is the last year of 28⁄29. There’s a \(3m difference in 26/27 and \)4.4m difference in 27⁄28.
Edit: this does not include the 15% trade kicker that PG can exercise on his contract that BOS would have to pay, ~$8m/yr. PG has a PO for 27⁄28 season btw.
Also doesent factor in the huge extension browns about to be eligible for that Philly is gonna give him
You don’t save 100% of the dollars in years that Brown is under contract but PG isn’t. That money needs to get spent anyway — the upside is you’re not stuck paying that money to a single player and can spread it out more. This deal definitely wasn’t a money saving one.
They mean the difference compared to George’s contract
Gotcha.
That has nothing to do with the claim that Brown would still be a Celtic if he made $45 mil / season, but at least it makes sense where their math is coming from, thanks
No worries.
I’d be pissed about them trading him regardless (emotions is part of what makes sports awesome, idc) but I’d at least understand their rationale if they hadn’t taken on a guy who is at the tail end of his career and making essentially the same money for the next two seasons.
…and they sent him to a conference rival that appeared to be stuck where they were
I keep repressing the Philly of it all.
It gets worse every year after though, especially since Celtics dont want to pay 70 mil in 3 years and they dont believe offers for him will improve.
So why did they trade JB for a guy making 54 million next year?
Because they won’t be pressured to extend PG and he’s a huge expiring after next year
isn’t also slightly possible that if it works out they tell a 37 year old PG, “hey opt out and we’ll give you a 3 year 25 mil per year deal”… Would locking in 75 mil over 3 years be better than taking 56.6 mil and hitting free agency as a 38 year old? If George is enjoying playing there and they are competing for a title could that be mutually beneficial?
Obviously I think Boston’s first preference would be to use the big expiring contract with picks to bring in a new younger star, but who knows what will happen a year from now.
No way PG does this
No, this is why it doesn’t make sense.
George makes $3m less and only has 1 less year. How the fuck is this saving money?
And if he made $25m per season he could have been traded for a Gobert-esque return. But he doesn’t make 25m or 45m per season.
PG has a 15% trade kicker so unless he waves that, they will actually be increasing their payroll.
Yeah because PG is just so much cheaper right?
The Celtics are saving a whopping 7.5 million over two years.
They were going to extend Giannis.
It had nothing to do with money.
Analytics are overcorrecting now
nah. Kawhi was tied for 2nd in EPM with Jokic last year.
so we’re winning the championship. EPM says so
You have to click on the “actual” button. The default page shows “expected EPM”. Actual EPM puts Kawhi 5th in the league.
Damn I guess we’re winning the championship (I have no idea what Wemby’s Actual EPM was last season)
He was the 71st best in the league last year sorry, we’ll give you Quentin post and 2 seconds for him
Kawhi was really really fucking good last year
did the nuggets win the championship last year? why do you think epm = ring?
They were in the analytical finals vs the Cavs
The top 3 in EPM (Shai, Wemby, Jokic, in order) are also the consensus top 3 best players in the world. It is a very good stat - not a coincidence that Brown places low in it.
EPM
this same stat has ty jerome as the 7th best player in the league last year, chet holgram 8th, jalen duren above cade cunningham. Paul fcking reed the 21th best epm in the league
They are using sarcasm
Literal sarcasm or analytical sarcasm?
This sub is overcorrecting if anything. These FOs are super smart and savvy, the little clickbait lines we get don’t accurately surmise their assessments of these players.
They’re the ones who gave him that contract. If they valued him so little, they didn’t have to pay him that much.
They gave him the contract under the last CBA. The new CBA makes him significantly less valuable on his contract.
Yeah people really haven’t figured out that under the old CBA you could overpay guys with basically no consequence but under the new CBA overpaying these guys is crippling.
People crushed Bobby Marks for the quote from a team’s analytics guy but my first thought was if they have models that also weigh contracts and how much cap space they take up his value in that model would tank.
Don’t even need to adjust for salary lol.
On the 2024 Celtics Championship team, Brown was literally 7th in Win Shares.
9th (last) in WS/48 out of their top 9 rotation players.
I can almost guarantee you that was the context of that quote.
The funny part is that Jaylen Brown helped negotiate the new CBA.
and got his extension in under the wire, after the new cba but before teams had fully adjusted
yeah, reminiscent of our KAT trade but even more stark cause Brown is making even more, they really gave him that extension at the exact worst moment. New CBA went into effect July 2023, same month they gave him the contract, but the aprons didn’t go into effect till the next summer, teams knew it would make things harder but not how bad.
It’s an interesting point. I mean, rumblings about trading Brown date as far back as 2021 IIRC… they have always wanted to trade Brown, but never did. I thought after the chip they wouldn’t trade him, but here we are
They never wanted to pay him. Boston wanted to just let him walk for nothing after his 8 turnover game against Miami but Tatum came out and basically publicly begged them to supermax Jaylen. So they had to make him happy which is the same reason why LA got stuck with this garbage AR contract.
You can’t immediately sign and trade a supermax player so they had to just ride it out with him for at least a year but they ended up winning the title so they couldn’t get rid of him without nuking the vibes. Then the next year Tatum tore his achilles so they couldn’t get rid of him again. And now here we are.
And now they won’t,
Just for the record: MacMahon said KAT was a loser and would never win a title
We all thought that before Ant. Let’s be real. Players are allowed to evolve.
to be fair KAT transformed that playoff run by becoming NY’s offensive hub as a point center and playing like a DPOY candidate.
I don’t think i’ve ever seen such an established player evolve like that in the playoffs before, he really did whatever the team needed. If the refs weren’t gunning for him, the finals MVP could have potentially been his as well.
KAT has always had the talent. Just took the power of friendship to unlock Dominican Jokic.
Fuck MacMahon
Yeah KAT was the only reason NY won and was finals MVP.
The question isn’t “Is Jaylen Brown as good as the media thinks he is?”
It’s “Is Jaylen Brown on that large contract better than Paul George on that large contract?”
George is a much better shooter but is seven years older and a considerably worse scorer at this point in his career. Not to mention much less healthy. Which is kinda important always but especially when Joel Embiid is on the team.
It’s obvious that Brown’s trade value was down. It’s also obvious that they were in a hurry to trade him for whatever reason and thus probably didn’t get the absolute most they could have gotten for him. Especially considering they could have gotten Giannis.
JB has another year and expects to receive a supermax extension as soon as he is eligible. Paul George is basically guaranteed to take his player option and be a cooperative expiring since he is never seeing Max money again.
PG+Picks sets them up to make a big move in 2 years to put together another contender in Tatum’s prime. The Celtics frontcourt worked in the regular season but they got destroyed by the ghost of Joel Embiid. Locking in 70% of the cap on Tatum/Brown longterm while Derrick White only gets older and the frontcourt remains weak is not a championship move.
JB is a very good player but he is overpaid and it is not the type of overpay most contenders can justify. He is also not an attractive target for weak teams when all-nba floor raisers like Julius Randle are getting salary dumped. There just ended up not being that much of a market for his contract and the Celtics didn’t feel they could win a championship with him anymore. They took the best deal and moved on.
Crazy. They wouldn’t have won the 🏆 without JB. He earned finals MVP but whatever. Will be interesting to see how JT and JB perform as 1’s instead of 1A and 1B. 🍿
Will he be the 1 in Philly? It’s still kinda Maxey’s team.
If Embiid’s playing JB could be a 2B or the third option
What you need is lebron to come for like 10-15m a year (even 20m who cares)
Then he’ll sub embiid and each play 40 games a year
And I want to see embiid vs wemby in the finals.
Brown and Paul George are basically equal money right now, Brown just has an extra year on his deal than George, which probably contributed. And Brown is better than George for that money, which is why the Sixers had to throw in a bunch of draft picks.
This is analytically a bad move
If the analytics tell me Brown is the 7th best player with the roster we had last season, I don’t really care what the numbers say
One analytics guy said that. He was directonally correct but overstated it. You are now using one analytics guy’s opinion to dismiss basic math. He’s not worth that contract.
And Paul George is???
That take was roundly dismissed by literally everyone in the NBA media, you can’t just find one bad metric and say that’s all of “analytics”
This is a good point, the media has always had a visible bias towards Celtics players and players who stir up hype. The Celtics are one of the biggest markets in the league. At this point idk who’s giving up 2 star players to pay this guy. Imo he’s not the kind of player that’s worth 2 extremely good players being exchanged for bottom tier starters or even bench tier players.
Blaming this on analytics is a cop out. They don’t wanna come out and say “We don’t want that weirdo in the locker room”. Otherwise, the Celtics would have better offers no matter what the analytics says.
Were the Celtics the 15th seed or something I have never seen such a disparity between what happened and perception
Two points:
Jaylen brown is a media darling. It’s this weird thing where people pretend he isn’t and that he’s like hated by the media but there is no bigger gap between what media people think and what basketball people think.
10 straight years of the Celtics being better without him than with him isn’t like statistical analysis it’s just reality. It doesn’t mean this was the right move because this team is different but pretending is a conspiracy is stupid.
To your first point: People acting like he’s hated by the media is fueled by Jaylen himself. He gets mad about some of their reporting like when he’s shopped around, and he takes it out on/blames the media for reporting it. He seems to think they’re making it all up and/or only putting it out there because they don’t like him.
Look Tatum shot low 30% thru their title run before the Achilles and they won. That will never happen again without brown, so better hope Tatum is better than ever
Analytically this was a terrible move for the Celtics
Jaylen Brown: The media is out to get me
Front offices: The media significantly overrates Brown
Maybe the “They after him because he speak the truth” crowd on this sub needs to realize how good his faux intellectualism and frequent self righteous outrages are for driving clicks and engagement. The media fucking loves him. SAS eggs him on not because he feels insulted by Brown’s remarks, but because this is a ratings goldmine for him.
Would anyone be surprised if the Celtics still end up as the #2 seed next year while the Sixers are #7 again? I feel like the real way to gauge Brown’s value is if the Sixers don’t improve next season. If they somehow end up in the same position (or worse) by replacing George with Brown, then it’s safe to say these GMs perception of him are correct.
They’re literally swapping Jaylen Brown for a healthy Tatum, and then adding PG and Mitch Rob, they’re still a 50+ win team lmao
yeah, that’s why I said the real test is if the Sixers don’t improve. They won 45 games with Embiid missing half the season. If Brown is a legit All-NBA player, they should be at least a 52-55 win team next year even if Embiid is hurt half the year.
yeah i agree with you completely, i just keep seeing people say the celtics are gonna be a play-in team and it’s irking me
Their roster should be good enough to be successful in the regular season, although their big men and depth becomes questionable when it’s the playoffs but yea I can see them still winning 50 games
Yah IF they can avoid injuries, they are a very tough playoff team especially with the Boston home court advantage
The East all got better and the young teams got more experienced it’s not going to be like this year. They’ll be in the mix they’re not going to be a top seed again without a juggernaut Tatum season
They could have added a healthy tatum and mitch and kept brown and had a shot at contention. They might win a lot in the regular season but they’re going nowhere lol
The thing is, there’s like several years of similar experiments. The infamous on-off numbers being one. But there’s even simpler ones, like, the Celtics were 9-2 without Jaylen Brown this season.
Obviously each data point in isolation isn’t perfect by itself.
But the aggregate is pretty convincing.
I’m well aware of the Celtics data showing that Brown makes them worse over multiple seasons. But this is the first time he’s on a new team that plays completely differently than the Celtics. If he struggles in Philly and they’re losing more than expected, the eye test isn’t gonna save Brown this time.
Yeah fair.
Although I don’t think it’s the eye test saving him.
I think it’s the counting stats. But that’s a separate point.
IMO, the eye test saved him in Boston because he’s always been part of deep, well-rounded teams which can hide his negatives. However, Philly’s offense looked atrocious last year…and Brown is trying to fit into a team with barely any system at all. The bad games he’ll have will be more visibly his fault if his team is struggling.
There’s also the wildcard factor of Lebron seeing himself as the 5th member of a starting 5 that would be also composed of Maxey, Edgecombe, Brown, & Embiid.
Philly would still be the better team in postseason.
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It’s not for Paul George. It’s because this month they had to give Jaylen brown an extension that could have potentially extended into a 5 year max contract. For a player they believe isn’t that impactful. If brown and Tatum are taking up 60% of the cap then they aren’t winning a chip anyways.
This gives them assets and allows them to either trade Paul Georges expiring next year or have cap space the year after.
If he was worth more than 2 picks and an expiring then someone else would have traded for him and gave him an extension.
This was his best season ever, if this was the market right now then it was never getting any better.
You think if Jaylen brown didnt get that extension he wasn’t going to request a trade after being shopped around? Either he got a commitment soon or shit was about to get nasty.
Based on what? He’s a negative asset.
Celtics are 36-6 without Jaylen Brown the past three seasons (70 win pace)
Then obviously they should have no issues winning 60 next year , right ??
Seasons don’t have the same level of challenge year to year. Especially with the new anti-tanking rules and more teams looking to be competitive overall in the East next season. You could in theory be a better team with a worse overall record given this. The expected win total if you inserted the 25-26 Celtics into 26-27 would most likely be lower too.
Not to mention a team could have a worse record in the regular season but not get bounced in the 1st round as Boston just did.
This is also a worthless stat without context.
Does he tend to rest more against bad teams that the Celtics can easily beat compared to top teams?
If so, you are using a biased sample and that’s the number 2 sin in statistics.
Yeah man I think we all understand it’s an analytics-based decision. Doesn’t make it the right decision
You can call him overpaid, but to me it kinda defies logic to then decide to ship him out, in his prime, for a guy making 3m less than him next year at 36 years old.
They must have really valued what PG did in that series. I get it. But PG was out of gas by the Knicks series. Can he give contribute at a high level for an entire playoff run at this point in his career? Idk, to move your former finals mvp for him is just… shocking
I think shipping him out is fine, it was heavily dependent on what they got back that determines how smart it actually was. Us fans have significantly less information to calculate what to do compared to the actual Celtics front office.
The true locker room dynamics is one area where fans have very little knowledge vs the front office. His stats are openly available for both fans and the front office but you can’t make decisions like this on only stats or on court performance.
I think some fans make judgments based on if they were playing a 2k franchise mode with morale/chemistry completely turned off lol
Both those things are significantly important in the real basketball world
If they managed to snag some really nice young talent instead of PG the Celtics would be taking significantly less heat
We need to go back to shoving nerds into lockers
AI can’t this away from us!
A lot of dudes are significantly overpaid. But how many of those dudes have a finals MVP under their belt?
Why are their eyes so bloodshot? They should probably cut back on coffee and get some sleep.
Ok, but even if Brown is massively overrated by fans and the national media (something i don’t quite buy), why was trading for 36 year old Paul George a good idea?
So crazy to say after the season they just watched him have lmao
Yeah whatever, they tried to slander Luka too after they traded him.
I get that the celtics front office does not like brown, thinks he is overpaid. But you trade him for podcast p, come on now.
The same analytics office that underwrote his $304 million supermax contract in 2023?
jb said fk analytics and brad is like fk u lol
So media hates jaylen brown and analytics people hates jaylen brown.
I wonder why his value was soo low????
If the celtics dont win as many games next year as they did this year im yelling at anyone I ever see doing math for the rest of my life.
How can you not be romantic about basketball?
IMO brown and Tatum were equals obviously Celtics value Achilles Tatum over brown. Brown has outplayed Tatum significantly in the playoffs, they rushed the trade before free agency was done. The offers would’ve improved when teams in win now mode didn’t have free agents available that can actually make a difference. Horrible move and timing, Celtics can spin it however they want but other teams and GMs would get desperate paul George’s contract will be impossible to move. At least with brown you had a valuable asset that can be traded at any time to shed salary, very odd move if you’re looking to save money you are stuck with Paul George’s contract until it’s up
I hope Brown go tf off next season
Analytically the Cavs beat the Knicks
Analytically brad stevens is a genius
Stuck with Podcast Paul for even more money for two years now
Analyze that
So Brown is overpaid but not Paul George ?
This trade makes no sense, starting to think there’s some aspirational elements to it.
Trying to justify the trade after seeing the backlash. Same thing happened to Luka with everyone calling him fat and lazy
Yeah because Paul George won the analytics battle against the Celtics this playoffs so that means he’s analytically better than JB?
This isn’t “analytics,” it’s the McKinseyfication of the NBA. Anyone can cook numbers to make the case for not paying a high-wage employee and diverting that money to the pockets of billionaire owners
you don’t need analytics to know that jaylen brown is significantly overpaid
He IS overpaid.
In an extension he will be obscenely overpaid.
They were right to trade him but they traded him for one of the weakest returns that I’ve ever seen.
Ok but there are like 12 dumb front offices to exploit
Did the Celtics FO exploit or get exploited?
Those are the same Bozos getting harden 60 Mil @yr..
This is a horrible trade I don’t care how you spin it.
HoopsGPT Is a lier and can’t be trusted.
Analytics driven front offices are sometimes dumbasses
I’d be much interested in awards voted on by front offices, with the caveat that they can’t vote for players on their own team
“Claude said Jaylen Brown sucks”
Analytics has ruined the Celtics and made the 76ers stronger 😂
Who gave him that contract!?
The trailblazers were gonna trade for him but then Dundon got a Claude code subscription, fired his analytics department, wrote some SQL queries about JB, and then decided not to to make the move
Why do we allow McMahon posts?
I hope JB drops 40 on the Celtics every time they play next season
So why did they give him that contract in the first place? This literally makes no sense. They gave him a huge contract he had his best season ever by far without the Celtics other best player but now they think he’s overrated? We gotta stop posting these media responses cause they don’t know shit.
Good thing Boston got their one title in 50 years out of the way
Trade PG and seconds to Houston for KD