Yeah personally I think it has more to do with the money, and the contract, than the player himself. $60M a year and he’s due for an extension in July

EDIT: as many have pointed out, I should have clarified. Brown is under contract for 3 more years. But he can sign an extension starting this month if a team wanted to extend him

Yea boston really got fucked multiple times by the apron rule coming into affect.. First they have to completely gut their championship roster, then cant really keep two max contract guys because of the difficulty in building around them with these new rules.

He really seems like one of the great casualties of this new CBA

This. I think it’s very simply about them getting ahead of the money. People keep saying how JB has a three year contract but he’s also due a one year extension to make it four years and that year will be 70 million. I just think the Celtics know they can’t compete the way they are and his contract is potentially a time bomb.

You can argue the NBAs fucked up cap structure is responsible for all of the dumbass shenanigans going on the last few years

KAT trade, this JB trade, the Celtics jettisoning half their best players

Well except Luka. There was 0 reason for that.

Yeah screw this analytics debate, just follow the money and you will get your answer.

Yeah, we should really be honest that moving off of that contract will probably end up being for the best - even if PG opts in (which he will), he’s still an expiring after next season and meanwhile, JB’s looking for an extension

And that’s part of the problem. Every star level player is getting bonkers money, and he’s at the bottom of the ranking when it comes to guys getting those contracts.

He’s currently 7th highest paid player in the league (pending new deals) and isnt the 7th best player. He’s going to be on the wrong side of 30 as well. The new cba is really restrictive financially and teams dont want to be caught paying Jaylen Brown as much as Jokic or Giannis.

There’s also the facts that he’s extremely full of himself and he’s at least as much of a conspiracy believing idiot as Kyrie.

Celtics have been trying to trade him for years, and no one has ever really wanted him. Dude is a headache to deal with. Combine that with the contract and the lower advanced stats, and I don’t really know why people are surprised.

And the fact that the cap is not rising as fast as projected. 8% raises are nice when the cap goes up 10% each year, less so when the cap rises 5%. Plus teams are now trying, making large cap hits harder to find.

Damn true good memory

That’s different. Rockets lost in 5 that playoffs to Lakers who literally stopped guarding him. That performance was so bad they couldn’t keep him and Wall was the only salary match available

Also he rehabilitated his image to the same team that attacked his glaring weaknesses and ruined their next 5 years by joining them for 1.5 seasons

Celtics really threw everything out the window in favour of analytics. Crazy future if they win that trade

Russ has always been well below league average  efficiency tho.  Jaylen Brown is above leage average in that.

Was Russ a cornerstone of a championship team?

Yikes that Russ was not the Russ pre knee surgeries. That Russ was a fucking monster. This Russ was an inefficient chucker. 

Ironically the people that complain about analytics are hyperfocused on numbers and not the tape.  They just hyperfocus on basic ass box scores.

What does he actually do well then 🤔

this. it’s silly to me people keep acting like the “advanced stats” thing with brown is some magic mystery no one can solve. he’s an inconsistent defender, takes a ton of shots at below average efficiency, doesn’t handle or playmake that well, and turns it over a lot. that’s really it. his usage being so high both boosts his ppg and exacerbates these issues.

i think, looking deeper, he’s an undeniably skilled player with the potential to be better than he is, but he decided early on that he wants to be a superstar and seems unwilling to change his playstyle. if he limited his role on offense to be less heavy on handling and creating shots, and reserved his love for isos for bail out scenarios when his team needs a bucket rather than choosing to iso all the time early in the shot clock, he could cut down on his bad possessions significantly and save a lot more energy for rebounding and defense. he could have a very, very high value role on a team. the way he seems insistent to play, however, i don’t think is that high value. and i think front offices know that, and they also know he’s a bit of a headcase and boston was shopping him for a reason, hence the mediocre return.

i don’t think boston will miss him as much as people expect. healthy tatum is a lot better than him, PG is still a high quality role player, and pritchard can fill the void when it comes to ball handling. i expect them to still look good next year, especially with the mitchell robinson boost to their frontcourt, which was one of their bigger weaknesses.

a lot of people will be shocked if they’re better next year than last year.

Fucking thank you, I don’t know shit about basketball advanced stats but I’ve watched enough celtics basketball to know he is very flawed

doesn’t have a great handle, and needs the ball in his hands to be at his most effective

Yeah this is always the problem with players like him. He’s not efficient as a playmaker/scorer, so you can’t win with him as your #1 guy. But he’s not good at roleplayer stuff (help defense, spot-up shooting), so he’s not ideal as your #2-3 guy either.

really does feel like Derozan 2.0 but Derozan at least got you Kawhi although that trade was weird from the Spurs side

This might be me coping but your breakdown is making me less bad about this trade already. I’ve liked Jaylen as a player since he arrived but you’re right about his turnovers and his high scoring relating to his vey high usage. I’m not happy he’s gone but I’m slightly less bummed now.

Also 20 years ago today did someone teach the band to play?

And he is an iso scorer that dribbles off his leg half the time.

Seriously. People are wildly underestimating how much teams are wary of the stuff going on between the shoulders with Brown.

The stats sheet shows you a lot, but it doesn’t show you mental stability, attitude, composure and other intangible things that are still critical variables to success.

After all the shit he’s said and the length of time he’s invested into saying it, he’s a risk from a coaching and team cohesion point of view. He could give you 30ppg and have his teammates pissed off or walking on eggshells around him. Imagine how much that hampers your ability as a coach to develop the team as a unit. Anyone who’s played sport long enough has come across a dude like this. Talented out the gills, but emotionally imbalanced. Really hoping he’s able to get a grip on his feelings and applies the same work ethic to his mental health that he’s applied to becoming an elite basketball talent.

Boston’s new owner is an El Cheapo himself it seems

PG isn’t much cheaper

I think they hoped they could scam one poverty franchise that wasn’t into advanced stats into trading for Jaylen Brown

imo they were hoping to sell high before Brown gets denied the extension and pouts but then he got even more disgruntled and the market for him was nonexistent

I mean, I wouldn’t be surprised if Brown leading the team for a season was the thing that sold them. Yes, the Celtics were pretty solid, but they were consistently losing Brown’s minutes and weren’t even that much worse without him on offense despite him being the only star on the team. In previous years you could excuse a lot of his metrics with “oh, he staggered minutes with Tatum and helped the bench guys”, or “oh, we need him for offense if Tatum’s not on the floor”, but that’s clearly not the case now.

Combine that with a continuously-growing contract that still has several years on it, and you get someone to sell rather than keep.

Edit: My apologies, I mistyped. The Celtics didn’t lose Brown’s minutes, but they did underperform in them in terms of on/off.

It’s because Brown is about to get an extension in a month. Last time they were forced to do it since the team was competing for a championship. Right now Celtics look far from a championship team so there’s no real point in extending Brown. If the Giannis deal falling apart because of Hugo ends up being true, then that will be the biggest mistake of Brad’s career.

“Hey guys, let’s move $20 million from Brown’s contract to D-White’s and analytically we have a better team”

Under the last CBA it was fine. This one? Nope.

He’s also becoming pretty cancerous from an attitude standpoint. 30 NBA teams just told everyone he’s not that valuable.

they also got the best two-way player in the league with that trade

They traded him for Kawhi Leonard this on the other hand was just straight up dumping Brown lol

Paul George doth not Kawhi Leonard make.

Bro has had more turnovers than assists in multiple playoff series. And this despite having many talented shooters around him.

Yeah, Brown isn’t undervalued because of “advanced stats.” Advanced stats just focus on things that Brown refuses to care about, because people think those things drive winning.

Analytics say that a 3 point shot is better than a long two. Brown refuses to swap his long 2’s for 3’s. Analytics say that off-ball defense is often more important than on-ball defense. Brown is terrible at off-ball defense. Analytics say that limiting turnovers is just as important as getting assists. Brown turns the ball over like crazy.

It’s not some complex formula that nobody understands.

This. JB has become really overrated ever since he won Finals MVP. A narrative developed that Tatum and Brown were co-#1s and pretty much equals, when anyone who watched the Celtics regularly could tell you Tatum is a much better all around player and always has been.

The Celtics had a good regular season but fell apart in the playoffs once Tatum wore down. That says a lot about Brown’s ability to carry the team. They needed one win from him and in games 5-7 he had a 1:1 assist to turnover ratio and shot 32 percent from three. Then he hopped on his livestream and talked about how great a year it was. It was disrespectful to Tatum and disrespectful to the franchise

Most competent FOs have their own proprietary internal models now, but generally we’re talking about statistical +/- models that measure on-court impact in terms of points added per 100 possessions while accounting for the quality of opponents and teammates.

Some of the best free public-facing ones you can access are Estimated Plus Minus (EPM), LeBron / Player Impact Plus Minus (PIPM), and Darko DPM. None of these three have Jaylen Brown better than the 35th best player in the NBA currently in terms of points added per possession.

https://dunksandthrees.com/epm

https://www.bball-index.com/lebron-application/

https://www.darko.app/

Brown is not a better player than Jokic, Luka, Edwards, Giannis, Shai, Wemby, Tatum, Brunson, Maxey, or Kawhi. So that’s already ten.

yeah i bet sixers fans wanted to keep pillhead p instead of getting a guy averaging an efficient 30 with solid defence as the #1 option 😭

I mean even if Brown is massively overrated, the PG contract was terrible and he barely played. Brown can at least provide a lot of scoring and while his on/off numbers are negative, his team still tends to win a lot when he plays. I don’t really see how the Sixers lose this trade under any scenario. We got younger, more scoring, and substantially healthier. The draft picks will likely be late 1st round picks given we have Brown/Maxey/Edgecombe locked up longterm and Embiid still on the team (massively positive impact when healthy).