[Charania] Around the league my phone is being flooded with people texting me “Paul George and picks?”. Once it was out there Jaylen Brown was available for trade, you saw his value for whatever reason start to diminish as the last week went on.
Did the league collectively bully Brad Stevens?
Stuffed him in a locker and gave him a swirly in order to get JB for packing peanuts and a podcaster.
Yelling, NERD
There was all that talk yesterday about how the Celtics were calling teams and seemed like the ones desperate to get rid of him. Celtics fans denied that though as it was “clearly pushed by other teams to lower his value”. Nope, it was true
Yeah but as I posted elsewhere, Brad and Danny have been trying to trade JB for years now - for Durant, for Jimmy Butler, for Capella, I’m fairly sure they tried to use him to get PG as well. This isn’t new.
Plus bro was wilding about the refs having an agenda publicly
I mean yeah, that’s been JB for years. He’s a mini-Kyrie for anyone paying attention
That’s my main concern with this trade
It’s ok as long as NOTHING politically or socially tumultuous happens in the next few years, and he continues playing on a massively winning team and thus doesn’t have a reason to spiral further about the refs, you guys will be absolutely FINE
It’s not like he’ll have much regular chance to get annoyed at having to carry the load while his costar sits and recovers from injury in Philly, so I think it’ll all work out pretty perfectly all-in-all
lol y’all are cooked
you know what really pissed me off though, not that ref thing, not calling out his teammates during the season when he was supposed to carry the load
it’s the fact the season ended on a horrendous loss and he was like “ayo I had so much fun this was amazing I love it” and took off to have fun and chill
last several years there were many reports about guys like Pritchard, Hauser, Tatum, Porzingis, White all working out together already in June, when the Celtics won the title their bench squad was in the gym the next day getting shots in
I grew up listening to stories of legendary players saying they wouldn’t sleep for weeks after losing in the playoffs and spend 16 hours a day in the gym
you remember the Wade vs KD nightmare ads? that’s based on real stories that go back as far as the 80s
he was like “this was fun yall baii”
Hot take but jaylen browns reaction is probably healthier than the other players you’ve mentioned. Life is short you can only put in work to improve after a failure, losing sleep only makes you less productive.
And that’s fine. But when the rest of the team is working hard because they want to win, and he’s funning it, that’s not someone I want on the team then.
He’s given anything and everything he wants and that’s not enough to work his ass off for the team.
Dude won finals MVP and a finals for y’all (multiple times to the conference finals btw) and still had trade rumors. They’ve been trying to trade him since 2020. The one time he gets the keys to the team he balls out for the season (yeah his defense dips). Yeah he had fun.
Now I sound like a JB stan, but he has worked super hard and gone above and beyond for your franchise. People said he didn’t have a left and he went and got one and yall won a ring.
Being part of a stable franchise must do something to the brain.
So he does what 95 percent of sports fans do on the daily
Turns out if your team is “clearly pushed by other teams to lower value” that you can translate that to “other teams have decided a lower value”
I think I heard Bill Simmons screaming. I’m not sure. I’m in Ohio.
“Guess what? That’s collusion. That’s an antitrust violation. So have fun with that one, guys. You can’t do that.”
Also appreciate a cross over episode
They’ve been quietly trying to trade Brown for years.
This must just actually be his value 🤷♂️
This sub clowned on everyone for the whole analytics thing but a lot of people see Brown as not good value on that contract.
‘Okay now trade Brown and picks for George’
Could this have really been Brown’s value? Nobody could beat that offer?
maybe other competing teams didnt have the salaries to match?
They should’ve just kept him if that was the reason
No shot they could keep him. They burned that bridge.
Kobe burned his bridge with the lakers twice
Scottie Pippen wanted out out out from the Bulls
Pippen was making minimum wage.
His fault for signing that contract everyone warned him. Pippen only has himself to blame for that situation.
You’ll have to remember times have changed. Players can ask out far more easily.
Giannis asked out last year, and the Bucks waited until they got an offer they liked.
AD asked out, and the Pelicans waited for a better deal.
KD demanded a trade out if Brooklyn, and the Nets waited and got a better deal.
Teams have all the power.
Freal. And even if Jaylen played tough and sat out…the Celtics would basically be in the same position considering PG is garbage.
1st quarter PG was like the second best player the Knicks played until the finals
Depends on the player. Some will probably quiet quit if they don’t get what they want and teams don’t want to deal with that if they don’t have to. Other players have too much character to consider doing that. (not commenting on JB, just saying in general)
I mean tbf, JB has been wilding out on his livestream all season. It could’ve gotten ugly if he was unhappy
But they didn’t have to trade him at this very moment. Karl-Anthony Towns was traded in October.
Well… he eventually did get out
JB is no Kobe though
He’s not geriatric Paul George either though.
Hence multiple first and second rounds.
Nah I hate teams operating like a disgruntled player means you gotta trade him. If your team is the best with the player on your team, just keep him and make the player flinch
they didn’t need to trade him, he didn’t request. they should’ve offered him for giannis and stopped there
Ehh call the bluff. Player really doesn’t have a ton of leverage here & the players Union has an incentive to not really allow him to either.
They should’ve just let the man sit in his apartment live-streaming, talking shit about Tatum for 82 games for the next 3 years.
Can’t keep him off you aren’t willing to extend him. It was only going to get worse
I think a lot of teams don’t want to be over the 2nd apron at this point so teams are looking to not be repeat offenders. (Kinda a reason the Celtics wanted to offload everyone post finals run)
There’s not a lot of competing teams. There’s only 30 teams in NBA and most of them can’t or are not looking to add a player being paid $60 million.
There’s a good chance only 76ers were willing to trade after Bucks and Trailblazers made their moves.
couldnt Toronto still match with some combo of Quickley/RJ/Poeltl (along with Kawhi)
Warriors had Butler and Porzingis is immediately trade eligible
they traded the picks the Celtics wouldve wanted for Kawhi
Hornets could have basically absorbed his contract for the most part after trading Melo and they wouldn’t be stuck with PG’s ridiculous contract.
Makes me wonder why they didn’t try harder after he’s literally played for Coach Lee before.
i mean hornets already have miller and kon that they want to make as there focal point so it wouldve been hard to integrate brown
We were one of the first teams linked to trade rumors with him though, so they obviously tried. I bet Stevens asked for too much at first and that put a lot of teams off.
Other teams could have. Charlotte is loaded with picks, for example. I think the fact of the matter is that a lot of teams passed on him.
Charlotte could have gotten him without sending any major players out, and Charles Lee has a ton of ties to Brown and the Celtics.
Teams obviously just didn’t want Brown, at least not on that contract
That’s what I think as well. I think his behavior didn’t help things whatsoever. If he just kept his mouth shut after asking for a trade a lot of teams would have gambled, but he turned everything into a circus thinking he was Giannis.
Yup. He’s basically Kyrie without the efficiency
To be fair, Kyrie has been pretty well behaved for years now and his teammates love him. If Brown continues to act like this in Philly then it’s more than likely that this is just simply who he is.
True. Kyrie got a reality check in Brooklyn and figured out he’d rather go back to being second fiddle
They’re both dumb as doorposts though, and both have that pseudo-intellectual-Dunning-Kruger-overconfidence that would fucking kill me.
Im so glad we rid ourselves of Lamelo and Bridges too. There’s a non-zero chance Ball kills someone on the road in the next decade and Bridges is a garbage human.
Kyrie fucking lost it during Covid and did significant harm using his platform for anti vax conspiracy bullshit. JB lurks in the same spheres.
If we are genuinely building a culture that can check egos at the door, compete hard and put winning ahead of box scores/podcasts/hot takes, I’m all for it
I don’t think Brown ever formally asked for a trade.
Exactly. Everyone shitted on the analytics crowd but literally nobody in the league wanted him is crazy. Knowing that he’ll probably have a career year
Volume scorers who aren’t particularly efficient or elite at other things are the least valuable “star” archetype right now. JB isn’t a great playmaker, and his defense is good on ball but awful off ball, so I’m pretty sure the way teams value defense nowadays he’s somewhere from average to below average on that end. Plus on top of all that he streams and says some dumbass quote once a week that you’re gonna have to defend in press conferences for the next 3 years.
One guy hogging the ball just mucks up the whole rest of the team. Especially when they can’t pass.
Or dribble
I guess teams don’t value him as a first option. And maybe most teams have already settled on their second star.
Still, I’m surprised.
Shit yesterday I was getting trashed when I replied to someone saying warriors should trade jimmy and picks for brown instead of AD and I said it would be a better trade and people were going off on me saying browns value is not that bad.. is PG and picks really that better than Jimmy and picks? Shit at least Jimmy shows up in the playoffs when he’s there.
ACL injury + age could be a problem for the Celtics re: Butler. Not that PG is some great asset.
PG is a huge injury risk too. I’d pretty clearly prefer the expiring contract.
It’s not like Tatum + George + Mitchell + Celtics role players are good enough to win a title this year
Nothing an extra first couldn’t have fixed. The Warriors must’ve not been high on him
I get the sense a lot of the league wasn’t too high on him
The Blazers could’ve beaten that offer with ease
Trailblazers could still beat that offer with Jrue and Shaedon plus picks.
But nope…
We could have matched salaries with more valuable players and have a lot more draft capital
Portland fucked up
Not really, we wanted him but Boston’s price was ridiculous, so we took Ja for free. Jaylen’s value only tanked because we were the only people interested, so it was more Boston’s mistake in not taking our offer before his value tanked. Obviously Jaylen is much better than Ja but if Ja can be even 80% of his prime, the difference in value to get Jaylen would not have been worth it
And we rightfully passed, why would we bid against ourselves when you can see how bad the next best offer was
Couldn’t you have both though at this price
The money Jaylen wants in the new CBA makes trading for him really really difficult. Our books get very clear right when Jaylen’s new extension would kick in and we’re going to be (theoretically) giving Deni a huge contract that same off season. Cronin is a former cap guy and it would be very hard to make that team work financially
Portland doesn’t need Jaylen Brown he’s an awful fit with their best players
get him for cheap and make him fit lol
He costs 60m a year
And Deni is going to be up for a massive extension soon
Scoot too but you will shed a lot of money with Jrue, Grant and others
They have 4 PGs. They aren’t building a team with good fits anyway.
Right, cause Ja is a stellar fit right?
He was basically free
He is only the 7th best player so yeah
paul george all time traded for lineup is crazy
Most valuable player of all time by the transitive property
PG is my GOAT
The kids were not wrong. Give me Paul George and Tobias Harris over Jordan and LeBron. One set feeds your franchise for a generation, the other set feeds multiple franchises for generations
Victor Oladipo, Domantas Sabonis, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Danilo Gallinari, and Jaylen Brown.
Pretty solid starting 5.
you could win a chip with that five
Idk PG might need to get traded for a big man cause that front court looking dicey.
Yeah if you never played against a guy over 6’9
Defensive stalwarts Gallo and Sabonis rolling in their graves.
Jalen Williams and Jaquez both came out of the picks from the Clippers trade, definitely upgrades that team.
No you couldn’t the defense would be horrendous
I am a prophet
Hey Oracle… how’s my future looking?
Not good, chief.
You’re a false prophet
Not as bad as the Celtics ayyyyy
Mods, let’s get this guy a specialized flair, he earned it
He already has a Philly Harden flair, that’s special
You deserve a medal. I wouldn’t have thought this possible under any circumstances.
legend
tell me when she will come around
Now predict Jokic to the Celtics please
For Tatum, 20 unprotected firsts, and 40% of the franchise
Would you actually do this trade?
Nah probably not, I’d rather have Jokic tbh
Redditor Redditor on the thread, will she text me back or leave me on read?
My goat
You fools. You could have had Zeke Nnaji
The alleged Murray and Johnson for Brown and Hauser trade was miles better for both teams if that was legit
I don’t think Denver would have gotten rid of Murray since we already lack play-making as it is. Brown is a much better defender, but Murray is the better ball handler.
I was kinda interested in seeing a team run by a Center ball handler EXCLUSIVELY, instead of Jamal/Jokic. Like imagine just deleting the PG roll if the traded for Brown, would have been Brown/Braun/Watson?/Gordon/Jokic interesting lineup
Problem is he couldn’t handle the ball against the wolves got completely shut down. Let alone the monstrous okc n spurs defenses.
I don’t think that was ever a real offer. It was a hypothetical that Bill Simmons (the ultimate Celtics homer) floated on his podcast
The league saw the Celtics not include random ass role players for Giannis and knew they weren’t a serious organization
Guys be acting like a fella named HUGO is some untradable piece
Did it diminish?
Or was it just not as high as people thought it was?
If the market for Brown was as great as people thought, the Bucks would have taken him and flipped him.
Just remembering all the times the Celtics tried to trade Brown over the last 5 years it’s clear his value was never high.
I mean the people they’ve tried to trade him for are Kd and Giannis lol. Completely different caliber players. It’s still WAAAAAY higher than Paul George
Really need Simmons, Lowe or someone to find out what the other offers were.
Always wise to sell low.
Selling low would’ve been in 2025 coming off a meniscus injury. This was supposed to be the peak of his value which shows how much the league doesn’t value him highly.
This is selling high after he had a season to show out without Tatum
His value is just low
If Philly wins a ring Brad has to be fired right?
[Shams] Brad Stevens secures lifetime contract in Boston.
I like you
He should be fired now tbh. This was a trade he could make whenever. Unless there is a piece info were missing he downgraded the roster next season for nothing
The owners had to have signed off on this. Brad isn’t making this decision on his own.
And like the Mavs they should own up to the mistake and fire their gm. This is an indefensible move
The team literally gets worse when he’s on the court. NBA GMs don’t value brown nearly as highly as Redditors do.
The team literally doesnt get worse when he is on the court. He’s overall net rating positive. The sample of Tatum without Brown and Brown without Tatum is filled mostly with games against sub par teams until last season.
The relationship was done lol. Hes not making this trade if he thinks it’s salvageable.
Yeah clearly they should hire Reddit to run the team instead
That piece of info is that Jaylen Brown isn’t very good
And current Paul George is? Fuck this cheap ass ownership
The trade didn’t even save us money
29/7/5 as the number 1 guy on a 56 win team that exceeded expectations finishing top 6 in mvp and making 2nd team all nba all while already having been a finals mvp and champion. Yeah not very good lol
Yeah but have you considered 17 5 3 for 3 million less. Not enough how about 2 picks in 20s, 2 and 5 years from now. Those picks could be anything, they could even be Jaylen Brown.
If he was good, someone would’ve traded more for him. He’s always been overrated by casuals that only look at box scores
At the least don’t trade him to a conference rival
That’s not gonna happen
Lol no chance.
LOOK HOW MUCH THE CLIPPERS GOT FOR KAWHI
Utah literally got a better deal for Kessler lmao.
I bet other teams are like:
“We could’ve gave the celtics better trash!”
Anyone who wanted him called when he was clearly available.
doubt it. the Celtics clearly shopped him around everywhere
After trades like this with Luka and Brown GMs gonna throw some absurd trade ideas just in case another GM will have late-onset schizophrenia
celtics tried trading with 10+ teams and this was the best offer they got, different than trading luka only talking to 1 team
Traded your Finals MVP and MVP candidate who led the team while Jayson was recovering….for 36 year old Paul George who’s contract is also bad…
This isn’t Luka levels bad….but it’s somewhere living in that same town lol
Brads first major misstep with this franchise might have just fucked them over completely. it’s only down from here for a Celtics team that had been contenders for like 7 years straight while their core was still young/not even in their 30s yet
Like yea PG looked aight last season but come on man…dude is barely healthy and inconsistent in the post season. That’s who you put next to Jayson?
I just think Brown’s value isn’t as high as people think, lots of people who deal with front offices and analytics were saying the same thing that his value isn’t that high
This isn’t Luka levels bad
I don’t know. At least the Mavericks got the Lakers 2nd star in return and you could have made the argument Kyrie and AD was a solid core. They were able to turn AD into more value too.
Celtics traded their 2nd star for a guy who should probably be retired and who won’t get anything back in a trade down the line
Luka and Brown are not on the same planet as players yet the returns for them were pretty similar. I’d argue the Celtics did much better than the Mavs.
Not only was he not even the best player on the team, but he’s like the #20-25 best player in the league while getting paid as much as #1
This was an open trade
It’s clear his value just isn’t high, anyone could’ve bid or reached out
MIKE GANSEY YOU FUCKING MAD MAN
I refuse to believe New Orleans wouldn’t have done Murphy, Poole and a first and second rounder.
I’m not saying that’s objectively the best trade they could have done, but it’s better than what they got that’s for sure.
While you may be a reasonable person, I do not think you can expect Joe D and Troy Weaver to behave rationally, whatsoever.
That’s a fucking terrible trade for the pelicans, respectfully
That seems like an overpay honestly given how high a Pelicans pick might land.
Remember, every team in the league was aware of Browns availability and they all decided nah not worth it at his price.
I’d rather have Murphy than Brown.
Why would New Orleans do that? If they want to rebuild they can get a boatload of picks for Murphy, and if they want to make a contending push, Jaylen Brown is not the move.
Maybe those analytical tweets were planned to lower his perceived value
Or they’re just…. real
Didnt see that coming that PG was thr most sought-after asset in the league. lol.
Then you keep him. I’m sorry, but you can’t justify this trade.
Is his value really that much lower than OG damn
And bridges lol like I’m sure some teams were also waiting to see how free agency played out. The Celtics pulled the trigger way too fast GMs aren’t desperate when they have free agent moves available, why not wait until teams don’t have difference makers available in free agency.
I’m trying to see what the Celtics FO was thinking, cause this move makes no sense
You at least have to get Edgecombe for Brown. This is one of the worst trades of all time.
Right?! To a team in the same conference too. That’s crazy.
Why tf would Philly give up a promising starter on a rookie contract?
I’m guessing Brad genuinely bought into the idea that this is addition by subtraction. I’m not saying it’s a good trade, but the Celtics seem good at doing next man up/bouncing back from losing star players like IT and Kyrie. No one is bigger than the program there.
Yea but they sold so low. At that point, just bring him back and trade him before the deadline. Long term, that may have been better.
Yea but they sold so low
It really seems like NBA front offices feel differently about Jaylen Brown than fans do
It would’ve made sense if they gave portland JB for a couple of picks and maybe someone as a cap filler, but PG for 56 mil the next two seasons? I can’t imagine PG is really what pushed boston over the edge in making this trade. he is one of the worst contracts in the nba
Should’ve just kept Brown and dealt with the toxicity rather than be the guy who traded him for an old Paul George.
Or dumped him to chicago for some picks and guys and not had to take on PGs contract. or literally any team that would be willing to get JB for two firsts and salary dumps.
Right. This is why I don’t want to hear “they did it for financial savings”. There have to have been 10 better things for saving money than this.
Nobody values him at 70 million per.
That is the only reason there was such little interest.
JB for 43 per would be a much more palatable trade for other teams….
How does this affect Nico Harris’s legacy?
“That’s not a knock on anything”
You’re soft shams
It really does seem like Jaylen Brown isn’t too valuable to many GMs, hence the Celtics sold low. Analytics mean a lot to GMs and his metrics are bad. It goes beyond those metrics though. I think people overrate him because he’s a high usage merchant. He’s inefficient, not a good defender, has horrible handles, and no court vision. He doesn’t play 1st option-winning basketball and, considering his relationship with the Celtics has been severed, I think this trade isn’t too bad.
ding ding. finally someone with common sense. I wish we got Giannis, but it is what it is
Shams again having to tweet that he wasn’t hacked
I wonder if they knew this is what they’d get back for Brown, would they have pulled the trigger on the Giannis deal instead
That’s how Nico was able to give Luka away for so little, nobody else knew about the trade!
Lakers got absolutely fleeced on Kessler trade after seeing this.
Why you gotta show me Mitch man?
I can’t believe Erik Spolestra ordered the hit.
Celtics fans who downvoted me probably wishing we had one of Giannis, Kawhi, or Ball now
Just an absolutely insane league. Luka vs the Jays in the Finals and now 2 of the 3 have been in two of the weirdest trades of all time 2 years later
I no joke think Brad needs to be fire.
Everyone is clowning Boston and I’m certainly very happy as a sixers fan
But we did just watch Pg outplay Brown in a series so it’s not completely mysterious why the Celtics would want him
And if there’s one team I’m afraid of making this bet against it’s the Celtics
Man, Charania might he the least charismatic NBA journalist. He sounds less enthusiastic than a dad that just found out he has to take his daughter AND two friends to a Taylor Swift concert.
Should’ve kept him and got on their knees to beg for forgiveness