[Charania] “My understanding is Jaylen Brown through all of this, never requested a trade. He never asked out of Boston.”
Im still shocked he was traded to the team they blew a 3-1 lead to
A team in their own conference and division
Literally one of their biggest rivals.
Literally a team with 76 more Ers than them
This has me giggling like a fool.
ya phillin’ it?
Art thou phillin it now, Mr Krabs?
And its the 250th anniversary of them in a few days.
damn that’s like 10 LeBron careers
It’s crazy that you actually aren’t exaggerating at all
Are we absolutely certain the Celtics have 0 Ers?
He lost so much value they thought they’d have a better chance beating the Sixers if he was there.
But not in the same NBA Cup group! Genius move by Brad.
the reverse kd trade
Ethical team hopping
The Easiest Road
Uh wouldn’t this be the forward KD trade
Ya isn’t this exactly the same?
Maybe if KD was still on contract and OKC traded him against his will to GSW for Harrison Barnes
the softest road
Sixers fans are quietly busy scrubbing their post histories 😂
HES ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO GO LEFT AND HE HAS AMAZING HAIR
I have never once judged his basketball ability or his IQ. The earth is flat if he gets us a trophy.
What murdahhhhhh?!?!?!
You guys might be so happy right now huh?? Imagine flipping Playoff P and his big contract to JB.. huge lmao
Fuck yeah we are.
Frankenstein has risen from the dead
This is like when you defeat an early level boss and they join your party to help you
JB got talk no jutsu-ed?
except when they join you they are always way weaker for some reason…
That should tell you what they think of him as a player
League wide btw
He’s over rated as hell but still a horrible return
You can’t say he’s overrated after dozens of posts claiming how bad he actually is. 7th best on any team, then gets traded for 4 picks and a starting player.
I don’t think reddit posts are all that indicative of the overall opinion people have of him. I think he’s pretty widely considered a number 2 guy on a championship team considering what he’s accomplished.
It is getting funny that people are arguing him not being exactly that. It was two years ago and he was the number 2 guy on a championship team and also FMVP. Analytics have really gone too far
Mvp votes and this return are conflicting as hell. Gonna be interesting to see which was closer to the truth after the season.
“We want Boston” now I see what Embiid really meant was… they wanted Jaylen all along
In the same conference, division, and historical rival… Absolutely diabolical trade by Brad Stevens lmaooo
Opening night needs to be 76ers at Boston and LeBron’s new team at the Lakers
(No disrespect to the champion Knicks)
How can LeBron play Boston and LA at the same time? ;)
Jaylen “KD” Brown
They fr hate brown
I think they actually buy into the analytics on him lol
just like the Luka trade, you can justify trading the player, but you cannot justify the lack of compensation you got for the player.
The difference is Boston shopped him around. They could literally see what teams around the league valued him at and this would supposedly be the best they could get. Had nico shopped Luka he would have had 20 teams bidding on him.
Or they could have just made the Giannis deal Happen
The bucks didn’t want Jaylen brown
How do people not see this. Milwaukee didn’t want him. He’s just not as valuable around the league as people are saying.
Context matters. The bucks didn’t want him because they thought he would likely want out of Milwaukee, not because they thought he wasn’t good enough
Yeah Herro is the best player in that heat trade and Jaylen is a better overall player than him
its not like the Bucks are gonna do anything in the next couple years. They dont even own their picks. JB will at least sell tickets.
People really pay money to watch fancy Demar Derozan while winning 30 games? I’m skeptical.
Gonna take this as a low-key compliment for Demar
“Fancy Demar Derozan” is a finals MVP and is a phenomenal off-ball player that also is a good two-way player. Averaging 29 PPG while playing good defense isn’t easy.
People would want that rather than Tyler Herro bro lol
Lol what? The Bucks are going to develop their young talent and maybe try to aquire more draft capital. I swear to christ this sub thinks if you’re not actively winning a ring, you should just sell the entire team for parts until a generational superstar shows up. They’re going to build a team. Jaylen Brown isn’t a team.
Thats a massive gamble that JB will want to be there once the contract is up
didnt reports say Hugo and one other white bench player was the difference between Bucks accepting the Celtics offer over the bucks?
They did. I don’t think it was stated it would be a done deal with those bench guys but the implication was not getting them was the bigger reason the Bucks rebuffed the package and not because they DIDNT want J.Brown.
The reports i saw said that Haslem didn’t want brown because it would be another year of a disgruntled star who didn’t want to be in Milwaukee
So then keep him. If you have an asset that’s worth a certain amount and everyone refuses to give you what the asset is worth, then you keep the asset. You don’t sell it for pennies on the dollar. They literally won a championship two years ago and are arguably better than the Knicks on paper. The Knicks just played out of their mind, especially their role players, for a couple months. The Celtics couldn’t do that with the Tatum-Jaylen duo when they just did it two years ago with a full season of everyone healthy (luck pending, of course)? That’s absurd. Blowing up a championship contender for a washed-up player and picks is moronic.
This is how the league values jaylen brown
Why don’t people understand this?
I think r/nba gaslighted themselves into thinking Brown is actually the player they pretended he was, just so they could shit on Tatum.
If not using him as a cudgel to beat Tatum with because he didn’t win ECF and NBAF MVP, this whole sub would still be clowning Brown for not being able to go left and for having a low BBIQ.
Bro no matter how you slice this the return was not enough. If this was the best you could get, then you KEEP JB
I don’t disagree at all. I’d rather JB over this package 100⁄100 times.
The only thing I’m pushing back on is the idea that the rest of the NBA considers him a top 20 player.
JB was acquired to be, at best, the 2nd option on the Sixers behind Embiid. It’s entirely possible he’s actually #3 behind Maxey too.
But JB just came off of a top 6 MVP performance, and MIL/BOS couldn’t even find a 3rd team to facilitate a trade for Brown for Giannis.
His peak value may very likely be THIS offseason. I’d still keep the player, I’m just saying that this isn’t a Luka to Lakers level terrible trade.
or just no one offered more for him
the analytics noise didn’t come out of nowhere. i suspect leaguewide JB is not viewed as highly as he is by fans/ the media
So….. Ride with him? Is it really worth just 2 picks to downgrade your second best player this much?
Maybe if you also don’t rate him enough to spend 70 million on him
Compared to Paul George being paid 54 mil during Tatum’s prime? I’m so sure
But now they’re spending 55m on Paul George, granted for one fewer year.
You can’t justify trading Luka, you can try, but there’s simply no justification for it. None.
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Then why wouldn’t Boston take those better deals? Cmon man, think about it. This is the best they could get.
The best analytics on him has him about as the 20th best player, and that’s VORP which is pretty basic, advanced models have him worse.
So yeah, whatever model they have probably sees him as the 20th best player in the NBA at best, and he’s the 8th highest paid player in the NBA next season.
But PG’s contracts barely better and he’s like 65% the player JB is. Some cheap role players that free up cap space and 2 firsts for JB makes more sense for Boston and feels like something alot of teams must’ve been able to offer, they just were feeling PG for some reason.
No team is giving up two first for JB unless they are also unloading a bad contract.
I wouldn’t be surprised if most teams wouldn’t take on that contract for nothing.
Not to mentio you have to sort of match it to be able to fit the contract under the cap anyway, because JB’s contract is massive.
This is exactly it. The data shows that brown isn’t as good as Reddit thinks he is.
He is a very good player. But he is being paid like a superstar.
The overall value of his contract is second in the NBA, behind only Tatum.
Very talented player. But not worth what he thinks he’s worth. And Boston didn’t want to make that mistake. Ironically, they took the poster boy for players that get paid way above their value.
he also plays like thinks hes better than he is. Thats my issue. He’ll do the same drive with no finesse 5 times in a row and get blocked every time.
i guarantee you teams have much better internal analytics than whatever’s publicly available
Obviously.
And no team wanted to take on his contract without sending back a negative contract in return.
That tells you a lot.
Mazzula makes his team shoot 50 threes a game. No shit they value analytics heavily in that franchise.
I am not a Jaylen Brown fan but he’s definitely worth way more than they got
Contracts matter. Brown will be the 8th best paid player in the NBA, I’m not sure any FO sees him as a top 20 player, my guess is quite a few don’t see him as top 30.
He’s a very good player, but he’s paid like a superstar.
I’m not sure any FO sees him as a top 20 player, my guess is quite a few don’t see him as top 30.
Well that’s just dumb asf. Wasn’t he like 5th in MVP voting? And 2nd team All NBA last year.
Front offices definitely trust their own analytics more than whatever the all-nba voters think.
You think front offices care about that?
That’s journalists voting, they don’t use the kinds of models NBA front offices do.
The fact that this is the best the Celtics could do tells you most teams barely see JB as an asset with his current contract.
Because quite honestly, Paul George’s contract probably needs at least a first for anyone to take him on.
Please name 30 players that are solidly better than J brown. I dont even mean this is a sassy, trying to argue way. I just genuinely dont think there are 30 guys solidly better than him. 10-15 absolutely. Around 20 though it feels like you have to force it
Idk seems like they like him by trading him to a better team
Poisoning the well
Brad Stevens saw the hairline upgrade from Jaylen Brown to PG and had to do it
PG has a crisp hairline
Wow I wonder if they knew this when making that hairline joke
But it is just so crisp tho
Legit has one of the best in NBA history. His hairline made out of adamantium fr
Him and Jalen Rose
Genuinely wtf is going on in Boston lol
Well it’s like 96 degrees outside, north of here there’s 8 million gallons of untreated sewage being pumped daily into the ocean because of two massive sewage main breaks. It must be traveling south.
When I say “North of me there’s tons of sewage” I’m usually referring to Worcester, MA
Why are we catching strays here
Worcester’s whole existence is catching strays wdym
But enough about r/bostonceltics
New ownership
ooh, good take. Hadn’t seen this thrown around yet and new owners always like making some dumb move to feel important lol
Its cuz they’d have to pay him long term. Brown wants an extension, thats 5 years of max contract. Owners have been pushing heavy the idea that you cant have two max contract guys if you want to keep your tax bill low, so 2 years of PG allows them to get out of the max three years sooner
Has more to do with the fact that with his new contract they’d be paying Brown and Tatum 70% of the cap and they can’t go into the 2nd apron again so they have no money for any other players.
Its not Fenway group is it? Because its a very Red Sox move?
I hate that you’re right. But Henry would have done this in a heartbeat.
Any contracts handed out before the 2nd apron became a thing have fucked over those teams
The Celtics weren’t near the 2nd apron with JB.
We are teaching NBA fans about price discovery for the second time.
There should be a suicide watch in Boston
I’m getting flashbacks
I’m getting sick
Hugo Gonzalez the next goat
He better be the next Michael Jordan after this one
He better be the second coming if Brad was this adamant about keeping him.
Shit is lame as fuck. Dude was an MVP candidate and gets traded the same year. No wonder these players don’t give a fuck about how organizations feel. The fans for some weird reason wanted JB gone, makes no sense. For years this has been rumors and it’s happened. Celtics trying to be smarter than they are.
I mean I think the Celtics realize it took the best supporting cast of the past like decade to win a title with them and decided they weren’t going to win one with Tatum and Brown making 120M and not being able to afford that supporting cast. The move makes sense in the bigger picture of things. And they can move PG next offseason as he’s expiring.
The fan base loses though as fan bases always tend to lose when front offices are trying to win a ring as their sole priority.
I’m not defending the value of the deal to clarify. Surely there was something better just the bigger picture sentiment makes sense.
Trading a top 5 mvp candidate who just led your team to 56 wins in a year they were projected to be fighting for the play in for paul george and 2 mediocre firsts makes zero sense in any universe it is malpractice and the worst decision bostons made in years
They could have had giannis i stead if they just included acouple bench pieces. This is completely inexplicable
I don’t disagree really the two major criticisms even if the big picture make sense are
Did you get enough back (No)
Did it have to be done this year (Probably no?)
It’s explicable if you think that
Projections don’t mean shit anyway
They got 56 wins because of great depth more than because of a carryjob
Maybe they are wrong, but the trade returns they got despite shopping him prove that the consensus in the league is that Brown is not a superstar.
Enjoy this photo brother https://imgur.com/a/LBtVT1U
dear lord
He reminds me of Shaq in the Celtics.
it is shaq in celtics with pgs head lmfao
Wonder why
Brad Stevens: “I believe hairlines win championships”
Derrick White getting nervous.
Dennis Schroder: “I know a guy that could help.”
This is the only correct take https://imgur.com/a/LBtVT1U
lmao
Will PG13, Baylor Scheierman, Hugo Gonzales score as much in PPG as Jaylen Brown combined?
Mind you, pg said he didn’t want to have a big role at this stage of his career 😭😭
He wanted to end his career being a 3nD player with a big contract 😂
And people gave Lebron shit for being overpaid yet here i find out PG is making the same amount of money at worse health/perfmance and damn near just as old
Uhh, no offense but have you been living under a rock? People criticize PG for being overpaid all the time. The sixers were getting flamed when they gave him this contract
😂😂 this got me.. because you know it’s true
he succeeded tbf, he’s just a 3nD player now and still has a massive contract
He might have to be second option atp
tatum 35 ppg on 53% TS MVP season loading
Oh yeah, he might average 35 a night, he was averaging 30 at one point when him and Brown were co-stars
We’ll recreate JB in the aggregate.
Getting some Dunkin Donuts in celebration of my biggest haters downfall
Lmao no way. Brown for George is WAY worse
I was celebrating when Pelinka gave all them picks and player options, but this 100x worse offseason for us now
Kessler at least is young and fits with Luka, as does Grimes and his shooting. Pandemic P is old and an abysmal fit with Tatum
This Mid off is ushering in a new era of the Lakers Celtics rivalry
lakers thought they could be the worst FO but brad stevens said hold my beer
my woat Rob Pelinka is WASHED
Heartwarming: The worst person you know fucked up.jpg
There’s got to be some corresponding move, shit makes no sense.
yeah the next move is firing brad in november. don’t ask how I know
lmao theyre not firing brad. im surprised by the return but lets just see how it plays out. If they really wanted off brown, they got back 4 picks and a contract that expires a year earlier. could make sense for both teams.
I am suspecting horrible new ownership not wanting to pay Brown top dollar. But then why the Giannis trade?
ownership really likes hugo and baylor
Brad Stevens has been around JB his whole career. This is the clearest indication he does not believe in him or his talent going forward. His market was obviously horrendous so I’m guessing PG was the best player in any offer available.
Why does he not believe in his former finals MVP who carried the team while Tatum was out this past year and was in the MVP conversation for much of the year?
He was prob the anonymous exec who thought Jaylen was the 7th best player on a team
I’m not sure, but other GMs probably feel the same way. If PG and picks was the best they could do then it’s more than what anyone else was offering.
If PG and shitty picks was the best you could do, you don’t trade him. This made the Celtics a worse team…
This is a failure of the coaching staff and front office. The constant shopping of a guy who turned out to be an MVP candidate ultimately fractured the team. I would’ve been happy with these two leading the team until retirement, Win or lose.
LeBron now comes to Boston. Maybe. Probably not. Definitely not.
FUCK THIS.
Lebron is signing for the minimum
That’s gotta be PR bullshit. You don’t trade a FMVP in his prime for a declining Paul George that’s so stupid. Something happened in Boston that’s gonna get leaked soon
Idk, maybe JB was in the Epstein files. None of this makes sense.
What if he wrote them
Traded him to someone who was actually in the Epstein files
New ownership, has to be
this is not a money saving move…like at alll
It isn’t for next season. It would be for the following.
thank you so much brad stevens
As much as I appreciate the Celtics downfall the Sixers are a PROBLEM now
Unless Embiid gets healthy they will never be a problem.
This is load management in the form of a trade. They’re basically saying “Hey Joel, let’s make sure you’re good for the playoffs.”
Bro Embiid has shit luck, Bell’s palsy and appendicitis aren’t load manageable, some crazy shit always happens to that man.
Fire darryl Morey and instantly fleece one of the better organizations
This feels so weird from the other side
traded him for a wet paper bag
TBF the agents tell Shams this to protect the player iamge
JB loves this team, loved this city and loved his team. It was obvious he never requested a trade. New ownership didn’t want to pay and shipped him off. FML
If the owners didn’t want to pay, they wouldn’t have traded for someone who makes basically the exact same amount. You’re never gonna convince me that they did it to save money three years from now. If they were worried about the 2029 season, they had three years to figure it out.
This was not a money move. This was a personality move.
I’LL BE WATCHING EVERY SIXERS CELTICS GAME NEXT SEASON! WITH POPCORN RDY!
Ill be chugging wine and crying
Tatum must have hated him
Tatum must Hatum
They don’t hate each other but it’s obvious they’re oil and water personality-wise and, more importantly, a lot of what they do on the court has some redundancies. I especially thought they looked like they werent harmonizing on the court at all at the end of this season — and I think Brad saw that these two just want to play the game separate from one another. They don’t connect nearly as often as they should. You’re not gonna get anywhere when these two both can’t figure out how to score 25 on the same night regularly. It can’t be one or the other all the time.
And Tatum and PG don’t have the same redundancies?
I’m not defending the trade, buddy.
LMAO This is the greatest news ever
What is to Brown that the front office and fans were so willing to get rid of him that the return is Paul George?
Boston: Podcasts > Twitch Streams
jb burning his jersey and pissing on brad’s shoes: NAH I DONT WANNA BE TRADED
Chams has god awful tv presence
Edit: Oh yeah, Brad Stevens is a fucking nerd
No joke, what did Brown do to these guys to make them discard him like this?
I don’t even like JB and I feel bad for him. Went from FMVP to traded for a bag of chips in 2 years.
Nico Stevens
Podcast wins championship
My understanding is that the Celtics front office recently developed a fetty+tranq habit and went straight to the source