My thoughts exactly. We’re 2 years removed from him being the 2nd option on a title winning team. 4 years removed from him being the 2nd option on a team that went to the Finals. A couple months removed from a playoff run where he was the number 1 option.

Evaluating Jaylen Brown as a 7th best player on a contending team means that guy is scamming some team out of a salary.

average r/nba user these days tbh

Not from the bad take angle, but more just the delusional obsession with stats/metrics

Analytics guy basically called FINALS MVP Jaylen brown a bench player. Swap Sam Hauser and Jaylen Brown in their finals trip and same outcome. Sure buddy.

Plot twist - it’s Brad Stevens

you guys don’t know what it takes to build an analytical championship roster like we do then 

Yeah I’m sorry but that guy shouldn’t be taken seriously at all. He led a Tatum-less Celtics to a second seed, has a finals MVP and was option 2 on a championship team.

I know im biased as a Celtics fan but to call that 7th best on a team is just ridiculously out of touch and reeks of someone who doesn’t watch basketball at all.

Lmao right. Not even a 6th man of the year contender. He a garbage time player.

Eighth on a 7 man team

I think Marks is just probably twisting someone’s words, iirc Brown’s advanced stats weren’t that good despite him having an obviously good year and I presume he was the 7th best when you ranked him among Bostons rotations players. I know White/Queta/Pritchard/Hugo all had very positive scores in generic analytical stats, wouldn’t surprise me if another 2 guys were above Brown in those stats too

He was 11th in PER, 51st in WS/48 and 21st in BPM and VORP.

Now I’m sure front offices have more complex models, but still any argument that he’s not at least a second best player, maybe a very good third on a stacked championship team is just absurd.

Well yeah, these people aren’t on the record officially. They are just talking shit. Maybe as a strategy to help lower his value so their team can get him or just to screw Boston into a smaller package 

He was an assistant GM to Billy King, both should really have zero credibility at this point though

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dang the hugo stat says jaylen brown is ass, celtics fans gotta be split lol

He literally led a team to the 2 seed. 

I mean Caleb Martin should’ve won eastern conference finals MVP 3 years ago. 7th best on a team is crazy but people saying finals MVP like that on its own makes him worth a haul is disingenuous. Andrew Wiggins almost won an FMVP. He’ll Andre Iguodala did

He’s a good player but is definitely a bit of a head case, and he’s on a super max. Who wants to sell the farm for Jaylen brown?

Tbf, Iggy won fmvp and was 6th in vorp and 5th in WS that season for the warriors.

Still different than Brown but just wanted to point that out.

The only take that makes sense obviously lol

Any reputable front office is laughing at this evaluation. It’s not going to tank his value at all.

And now he’s having another solidly productive year with the Orioles while the Mets are a complete disaster

My 40 year laker Fandom won’t even allow me to say something so stupid. And I really don’t like JB

Certainly not

No it’s fucking insane

Maybe on the US Olympics team

I’m guessing they called him the 7th best contract on the celtics? You can calculate how “worth” someone is based off their win shares, the avg value of a win, and their contract. He ranks ~7th there lol. It’s a dumb metric, but I’m also guessing that the quote is being taken wildly out of context

It’s literally just demar Derozan lmao. Maybe Julius Randle.

Teams view the Celtics as a t3 guy in Tatum (2021-2022:2024-2025) surrounded by elite role guys. Jaylen brown is viewed as jerami grant with an ego so he shoots a lot.

Casual fans heavily dislike Tatum and overvalue points-rebounds-assists, so cope by thinking that jaylen brown is a t20 guy while tatum is like 6-10.

You’ll notice that jimmy butler, who was never viewed as a super elite player also grades extremely well on that, and was oddly a lot more successful than his yearly 22-6-6 or whatever might suggest.

I used to have a hypothesis that JB’s poor on/off numbers were partly due to playing with Tatum. Idea being that Tatum is better, and they’d stagger their minutes a bit so that JB’s “off” minutes are Tatum’s “on” minutes. Most other star players don’t play with a better player at effectively the same position so that would make JB’s numbers stand out a bit. But this year kinda disproved that theory. No Tatum and the team was still better without him than with him.

I don’t think it’s a perfect stat but I think for the most part, good players perform well in this stat while bad players don’t. So I don’t think the stat is useless but I haven’t really seen anyone be able to offer a coherent reason as to why this stat says JB is a net negative to his team despite him apparently being an all NBA level player. And it’s a very simple stat, it’s not like they’re relying on some crazy black box formula to come up with a reason to call him bad.

I do think him being the 7th best player on a team is way too far though

I get what you’re saying but it definitely is crazy

It’d be one thing to value him as a fourth best player. But I literally can’t think of a team that, only considering on the court production, wouldn’t immediately benefit from starting him, even with his bad on/off

The only way I could imagine a model ranks him as seventh on any team in the league is if it’s also doing some form of cost-analysis. A negative on/off with a max contract can’t look good in a model

When was this? In their two games this year Shai outscored JB in both

I’ll give you a trillion dollars if you find a game in the past 3 seasons he outscored Shai

It’s funny when someone cites an advanced stat as a reason why a player is bad, then you look yourself and it ranks their 3rd string big man as top on the team.

We were second seed because of white and pp. We went 9-1 in games without brown and Pritchard averaged 27 per 75 on 60ts without brown.

According to Kenny Atkinson’s model the Cavs and Nuggets are about to play game 3 of the Real Finals

I think it’s as simple as asking: what team wouldn’t he start on? And the answer is zero

My 2K team with 6 97-99 OVR guys on it

Kobe 

/ ducks

Both true

Brown is way better than both of those guys ever were

Trae

*Nike exec clinches fist*

Also people see “advanced stats” as some sort of mythical creature, when most of the point is “When Jaylen Brown plays basketball, his teams have a clearly worse point differential than when the Celtics don’t have him on, for an insanely large and consistent sample size”.

This is clearly what’s going on with him. He put up like 5+ pts/36 over Shaedon Sharpe on identical efficiency. For a better whistle so his TS% is higher, but Sharpe had probably the worst whistle in the league last season.

I bring him up because Brown has been linked to Portland. Of a deal of Sharpe and salary plus a pick or 2 goes through, it would tell you everything about how little Celtics value Brown.

Yeah, it`s clearly sensationalized. Like, I`m sure that this model didn`t show Brunson to be Finals MVP

I wouldn’t even care. I’ve been waiting for Zion to play like he did in 2021 for five straight seasons.

Betting on Zion has left the Pelicans in the dumps

He gets the buckets on league average efficiency though. So how much are you gaining, except in rare situations where you really do have to make isolation buckets?