Charania: The Boston Celtics are, in some cases, asking for at least four 1st round picks (Giannis went for 3).
Giannis went for 3 picks, a first round swap and the Heat’s last 3 first round selections (Jaime, Kel’el and Kas) who are all still on rookie contracts.
In Milwaukee’s eyes, they may value that as 7 assets with a first round valuation.
A “4 firsts” asking price may not specifically mean 4 first round picks.
Miami also gave two unprotected picks/1 swap starting when Giannis will be 35. Those will be worth a lot more than picks in the near future while Jaylen is still in his prime.
Sort of, except Miami never tanks even when the roster is terrible. I would argue that a 35-year-old Giannis and Bam, will still be at minimum an 8th seed.
If 35 year old Giannis is healthy. Not wishing it, just saying it’s an understandable gamble.
Y’all an 8th seed now
Lol Miami was 0 games behind the 8th seed last year with no Giannis and a hurt hero
So yes you are an 8th seed now as Giannis hasn’t even played. And shockingly other teams are also going to be upgrading.
This idea that a trade in June will translate to next April is interesting.
Giannis can’t even last a full season now. I’m sure he’ll be even more healthy at age 35!
First thought reading the title.
lol critical thought is hard
Critical thinkers isn’t the demographic that watch’s fucking espn all day on loop.
ESPN: Celtics expect a large return for an all nba, finals mvp, that is 29.
Viewers: wtf!!!!
Critical Thinkers isnt even a demographic anymore
Also Giannis had more leverage than him and the Celtics don’t need to trade him. JB and Tatum are a proven duo and they can retool around them.
Honestly I think about 7 firsts is an accurate interpretation for the Giannis trade, Ware could reasonably be valued a little above a single first, and Kas and Jaime being close but a little under one first they even out to about 3 firsts total.
Exactly, and the equivalent value of 4 firsts is a pretty reasonable ask for a finals MVP still playing at that level. I’d pay it.
I would say once the players are into their contracts it’s not first round valuations, but the Bucks got a good haul for a player who made it clear he wouldn’t re-sign and would only do so with two teams.
So two firsts, Scoot and Shaedon + Grant to make salaries work. That’s a bonus second rounder!
Surprised they’re even talking about picks, would think Boston wants players to fill holes
If you’re even shopping brown unless someone like giannis is available (now not) you’re trying to reset the cap sheet and go back to surrounding the team with younger and cheaper talent. Like getting Murphy and Herb and maybe a few picks would make a ton to sense for example
Thing is the whole point of the Celtics roster last year _was_ resetting the Cap sheet, it was what made them finishing as a 2 seed so impressive.
Right, they reset the cap sheet and now they are on to the second part, acquiring the younger and cheaper talent. They had some great surprises, like Hugo and Quetta stepping up, but they need more talent to actually compete.
I don’t think they need younger cheaper talent to compete though, Brown and Tatum are both in their primes and the team won a championship like 3 years ago.
They currently have 21mil of first apron space and 34 mil of second apron space next season, if they got an established center and ran it back around White / Tatum / Brown I would expect them to be one of the best teams in the east again next year.
Ye I don’t get the dynamic of this unless you’re replacing Brown with better pieces directly.
What’s the point of shaving more and more cap space, are they waiting until Tatum is 32 or something to make a run again lol
Unless their just really confident they’ll draft another player that will turn into a star before the end of their rookie contract, having 2 max contracts on the team is pretty standard for teams looking to compete.
Might just be that the teams of the players they are targeting want picks and not Brown. Could definitely see a third team involved somehow.
I feel like this discounts how valuable a healthy Tingus proved to be. Without him playing at his best we ran into a wall.
Without him playing we won 14 of our 16 playoff games, so I wouldn’t exactly call it a wall. When he played well we were unbeatable. When he didn’t we were just a little better than everyone.
We won a championship 3 years ago because we had immense depth and great value contracts in Jrue + KP. Before JT + JB Supermax kicked in.
Now we can’t build with 2 supermax guys. CBA
Of course they can, the aprons are what make team building restrictive, they are not an apron team so they have alot of options to add talent.
Pretty sure there’s some repeater tax shenanigans we are trying avoid as well
Lol, look at our roster, we dont need younger cheaper talent, we have lots of it already that we like. They don’t have high pedigree, but there’s still enough young guys that we like that we’re struggling to fit them on the roster and get them playing time. That means we’re not at a point of trying to sell off 1 big assett for many small ones. Which is why I’m so annoyed people keep talkong about Jaylen Brown as if a trade is a realistic possibility when there’s so many other things to talk about.
We need to do it one more year. New cba is tough
Why? They have 21 mil of first apron space and 34 of second apron space for next season and thats with 14 players signed.
I get punting last year with Tatums injury but he is fully in his prime now and I think the core of Brown / Tatum / White is still one of the best in the east.
The Celtics are my second team so I follow them pretty close and I would personally rather they use that space to get an established Center and then try again, I don’t want them to waste anymore years of contention worrying about the cap sheet when they have legit chances to win.
You have to be under the second apron for two out of every five years to duck the penalties. They could go over the second apron this coming season but then they’d just need to do this all over again and get under it in year five or they face the penalties. So that’s why.
Like getting Murphy and Herb and maybe a few picks would make a ton to sense for example
Just take Herb and a few unprotected Pelicans 1sts/unprotected swaps. They are dumb enough to do that, and those will be money lmao
Herb is actual garbage. I don’t even think he’s a starter on a championship team
Picks are likely just currency for future deals here.
And it can basically be a baseline. Like “I need 4 first round picks worth off assets”
So if they add a player thats worth 2 or 3 firsts, they need 1 or 2 actual firsts with that player to do the trade.
Yeah and in that baseline giannis went for like 6 or 7 depending how you look at it
Ayooo
Was looking for this reaction and you didn’t disappoint.
I have to believe Stevens is close on other deals for veterans and some of that youth/picks would go right back out the door. Tatum isn’t getting younger they are in win now mode.
We aren’t really in win now mode tbh
We are in win what you can while we duck the repeater tax next year and then after that we are ok let’s see what this new ownership is going to look like mode cause then we can spend a lot of money
Something like Sengun and Jabari could make a lot of sense for JB
This is probably spot on if I had to guess.
What about KD and the 2027 Brooklyn swap from Houston? They also have a couple of Phoenix picks if its not enough.
If the Celtics do have issues with Brown on social media (I doubt it) then KD is probably not the fit
Exactly they are in win now mode, why are they considering trading their 1b best player??
They will likely trade the picks in seperat3 deals
That’s what she said…
I agree completely. Are the Boston’s going to burn the rest of JT’s prime waiting for picks in the 2030s? It doesn’t make sense to me. JB for Giannis made sense.
You can trade those picks for roles
They should trade for DP, he’ll fill those holes
They could trade some of those picks for other hole fillers until the team is airtight.
The idea is getting enough picks that can flip for a player you really want.
By god that’s Mikel Bridges territory!
Fuck dem picks
Knicks fan here, I lol-ed
Worth every pick
*jerry lawler attitude era scream*
More like Brandon Miller, Naz Reid and 4 firsts
Dreaming
*NBA champion Mikal Bridges territory
Confused by the reaction here. Brown just proved he can lead a team to 56 wins and has won a finals MVP. Too much recency bias here on the first round series; plenty teams would take 56 wins.
He’s worth it if there’s enough spare parts to work with. Are we really saying if the Magic had a choice they wouldn’t take Brown over Bane? Come on.
Brown will be “overpaid trash” until he’s on a team that is not universally hated lol
I think people just decided Tatum gets all the credit even though Brown is the one who showed up for the finals and ECF.
even though Brown is the one who showed up for the finals and ECF.
God I hate this false narrative so much. Tatum was straight up robbed of MVP in the Finals, just the media made up their minds after two games.
And ECF that year was a complete toss up - both guys were terrific. Tatum averaged a 30/10/6 in the ECF. Jaylen a 30/5/3. Jaylen won because Tatum already had one.
At which, everybody forgets that Tatum was the ECF MVP in 2022.
Tatum played as good, if not better than Brown in that finals run. The comeback in the ECF at Indiana doesn’t happen without both of them playing incredible.
Tatum led in every single statistical category but people just see Brown won the MVP’s
Thats why, as a Celtics fan, I hate losing jb. Whatever happened at the end of this season is worthy of a documentary.
Because up until the playoffs, everything was fine between the js
6 ECF’s, 2 Finals and 1 Ring with this duo. I feel the same as you.
Tatum led the team in points, rebounds and assists . His gravity let brown get his not the other way around
Tatum won ECF MVP in 2022 and against the pacers in 2024 he averaged 30/10/6 . He even led the team in all stats in the finals. Brown’s TS% was only like 1% higher that series despite not having to worry about double teams.
I hate when ppl who don’t consistently watch the Celtics talk about the Tatum/brown dynamic because in all reality Tatum is still about a tier better than brown despite brown slightly improving his game . This past season his usage rate skyrocketed with Tatum out so his stats naturally went up . But his efficiency still was mid. Funny enough we went 13-3 when Tatum came back. Higher win% than our record without him
not to mention Tatum’s defense in the Finals was so needed. He put in legitimate minutes guarding the 5 when we’d lost KP and couldn’t run Al nonstop bc of age.
Tatum averaged 22 8 and 7 in the finals and was one of our best defenders in that series, what the fuck are you talking about lol.
Bridges: 5 picks
Bane: 5 picks
JJJ: 4 picks
Giannis: 3 picks and other FR players
The people in this sub acting like Brown isn’t worth 4 picks are absolutely absurd.
Picks are not even a standardized value lol
1 pick can equal 5 picks
I’ll explain later
Especially since the team that gets Brown is going to be good for the foreseeable future
Tbf, this is a step up for r/nba.
This is the sub that was outraged Brown got picked over Kris Dunn, and then they were outraged he got paid more than Buddy Hield in his first extension.
he can lead a team to 56 wins
His own GM implied that their 50+ wins were due to the amount of tanking teams and that their record against good teams was the truth about their teams success
“We have to play well in the regular season to get to where we want to go and so we don’t want to undersell the regular season,” Stevens said. “That said, as I look at it honestly, I think that how we played against the best teams is relevant and should be taken into account as we look at our team moving forward.”
They also had 60 million on the bench. On another team they’d be getting value for that 60 million.
If he’s worth so much, why do the Celtics want to get rid of him? He’s a win-now player than a win-now team wants to trade away, that’s a huge red flag.
I honestly think a lot of it is because people don’t like his streams lol. He is absolutely worth that price
Best we can do is Lavine and Devin Carter take it or leave it
The Celtics are a well run organization with one of the best coaches in the league. I think Brown is a good player but I think he is overrated and this is way too much for a player like him.
Does this sub even watch basketball? Brown is a great player, he’s worth 3-4 picks
You could stopped that sentence at the word sub you think these nephews watch more than 10 games a season here?
I’m just smeckeldorfed, I’m confused, “damn did I watch the wrong games and not see Brown carry a team to over 30 wins with no Tatum with almost 30 ppg with what Derrick White as the second best player during that run? I don’t think a team in the NBA wouldn’t benefit from a great two way player like Brown, he could play the 2 or 3, Hell I’d love him tf
and by ‘watch’ they mean watch the box score and clips
Even watching isn’t really a guarantee of understanding.
All these people in the post-game threads that had watched the game agreed we would have won if he just called a Q3 timeout.
Except he had called one… Miami came out really hot and it was probably the moment they won the game.
Brown was supposed to cover the paint until Theis arrived and then swap out to the corner, but because Theis never arrived on time, he got stuck in place trying to cover 2 people 20ft away from each other.
He had to prioritise the paint because it was a 2-point game. Even being held back he still he got within an inch or two of blocking OG’s 3P shot.
Except in one of those games, Boston beat the shit out of Miami’s zone defence so badly they stopped using it for the rest of the series. However, there wasn’t a Thinking Basketball video for that update. When Boston lost the next game, fans again blamed the zone, even though Miami hadn’t played zone all game.
It’s like a lot of people will watch games with their eyes closed.
This will probably get blown out of proportion, but this makes perfect negotiation sense. The Celtics don’t *have* to trade him for any particular reason, so why not set the price high to start?
Whenever there’s a trade/rumor, the first thing this sub likes to yell is OvErpAiD.
Or if someone signs.
How is 4 firsts too high?? Bridges went for 5
They kinda have too, thats why he is in the market even after giannis is gone
I think that’s why teams trying to buy low, everyone knew brown and Boston aren’t on the best terms, and they are offering “unhappy second option” level of packages for him and this is Boston response
We really don’t. He hasn’t asked for a trade according to recent reports, and he still has three years under contract with no player option. He has no leverage until he asks out, and even though it’s not like Brad has to accept any low balls because he will definitely still play next season.
Yeah I mean 90% of their cap is 3 players. They can’t really build a team like that unless you have deep draft assets
No one says they’re trading him, it sounds like a team inquired and that’s the answer they got so now they’re having shams do their bidding
He’s also 2 years younger than giannis and his game wouldnt be as impacted by an injury where giannis relies almost entirely on atheleticism.
Brown, you a Boston Celtic
Get ready to learn The Town quotes, buddy
“Putting this whole taaahwn in my reeeahview”
well we have a lot of picks in the next few years
Who matches money wise
41 million trade exception from the LaMelo deal + Miles Bridges expiring + picks (Hornets have 8 firsts and 3 swaps between now and 2030).
Cant combine TPE and players to match salaries for the trade
Brad wouldn’t touch Bridges
You’re probably right
If they’re just looking for firsts this is perfect but I doubt it
My worry is that it’ll require Miller personally.
Why is that a worry? If you go into the season with White/Kon/Brown/Bridges/Moose you’re cooking
Bridges got a lifeline in Melo, but now he’s gone the hornets will be negotiating a trade that involves offloading him.
Looks like Jeff is building around Kon and Miller so those two aren’t going anywhere
It’d make sense(from Boston’s perspective) but putting everything into Brown/Kon/White and maybe one more piece is very risky though
Unless someone else is coming via cap space or another trade I don’t know if that moves the needle
Are we sure it is good for your roster to have Jaylen Brown making $65 million in 2029 and no first round picks?
That’s why we’re actually not a bad team to make the trade, we have like 11 first round picks in the next 7 years lol.
Will Lámelo Jr. be available in the next 7 years?
Lomangelo Ball
You might even find a player the caliber of ball!
Depends, they might be half decent next year with Kon possibly being the best 3pt shooter in the league
Why do so many people focus on just the number of frp in a trade and ignore the players in at and the quality of the picks?
Most frps suck, its very rare you get a jdub there. Just look at the gobert and AD trade.
I don’t know why anyone is focusing on anything. He hasn’t been traded and we don’t know any offers. 4 FRPs has no real value if we don’t know what team is giving them up or what other players are involved.
Giannis did not go for 3. It was more like 6-7 plus Herro.
Either Shams is an idiot or this is a great example of exactly what Jaylen was saying about ESPN.
Also, Brown has 3 years left on his contract. Giannis only has 1+1.
(Luka went for 1).
And rudy went for 4, a swap and a full bench
Paul george also went for 5, 2 swaps, a young star and a vet
… the nba is weird
“In some cases” probably means in teams that aren’t sending anything else good lol; don’t think it’s crazy when Giannis went for 3 picks 3 okay young guys and a swap.
What exactly are the Celtics trying to do here? Trading an all nba player in his prime for picks while you have another all nba player? What kind of message does that send to Tatum lol. I mean it’s good for us as Knicks fan but super confusing
That’s what I’m saying. I think this report is actually indicating the Celtics don’t want to trade Brown unless they get a crazy good offer. And are happy to keep him. But everyone here is twisting it as the Celtics are shopping Brown and being a pain in the ass to other teams (à la Ainge).
Only reason is it’s bad behind the scenes. But that may be the Celtics fault of their own making.
Good, I don’t know why people expect the celtics to salary dump JB.
If the offers aren’t good, just keep JB
I miss Woj. Shams stinks.
I’m starting to think he might actually be stupid.
If they’re asking this much for Brown, imagine what they’re asking for Hugo Gonzalez.
Brad Stevens thinks Jaylen Brown is Rudy Gobert
What if it’s like Fox and the spurs 4 best draft picks lol 😂
How would a Brown, Castle, Harper backcourt work? Sounds like a great problem to deal with
They would kinda overlap a tiny bit, but they’re not so bad from the 3 that they can’t coexist. Playstyle wise he’d be a terrific mentor as well
I feel like it’s going to be some sort of Brown for Mobley + picks deal. Cavs need to try something, Boston can take the punt on Cleveland blowing up in a couple years and the picks becoming super valuable, whilst also still knowing that a Tatum, White, Mobley led team with their depth, shooting off the bench and coaching staff is going to keep them as probably still a top 4 seed this year.
Other than that, I’m not really sure what the best fit for Brown is.
How many do you think the mavs can get for Luka?
I hate this timeline
Lauri + ace bailey for JB and 2 firsts.
Why are the Celtics acting like they are in rebuilding mode? They are contenders. I would’ve expected them to shop JB for 1 top 20 player or 2 borderline all stars? Asking for 4 picks is a rebuilder’s move.
So now they’re rebuilding?
It’s easier to use picks they acquire from Brown as currency for future moves than to trade Brown straight up.
Damn so the Jays era is very likely to end this summer? Media finally get their dream lol
In other words they’re not serious about trading him.
My extremely hot take is that Jaylen Brown is worth more than Giannis.
He’s younger, more durable and players in the Giannis’ mould historically age very badly. Whilst peak Giannis is obviously a better player than peak Jaylen, he’s still probably a top 15 NBA player and a fomer Finals MVP.
I did not know how bad the crack epidemic in Boston was.
Giannis went for a lot more than 3 firsts, and considering recent history, Brown is worth more than 4. In both scenarios, what is attached matters a lot.
This is good news to get out there - if nothing else it makes Jaylen Brown feel like the franchise values him very highly.
Well the Hornets do have a fuck ton of picks now lol
Who would they be looking to flip those picks for though? I don’t know if I understand the reasoning for wanting to trade him unless they have a guy in mind that they want to replace him
i think brown is better than advanced stats say but you got really pray they wrong if you giving up 4 firsts
Brad “Danny Ainge” Steven’s
You can say anything to shams
Aren’t they in win now? Why would they want picks over players?
Picks can be traded. Often for players. Or haven’t you been paying attention the last couple years (Bridges, Bane etc)
This is the Nets Music. Bah gawd
Fuck The Picks worked out for the Knicks, why not us?
Well other than obvious reasons.
Who even has picks anymore that wants to be good?
I wonder if the Bucks try to re-tool immediately into a playoff level team again and try to get Brown. That would make him 1A on that team and they would now be a very young cheaper team.
For a player of his calibre, this isn’t bad.
Best we can do is Jimmy Butler and a 1st round pick…
Mikal went for 5.
Best I can do is Duren, Holland and a 1st.
Honestly solid value for them, as Holland is a recent first and Duren is likely worth at least two (going by how young players were valued in the Giannis trade).
Pistons are left without a center though
Giannis went for 3 1sts and like an entire rotation of solid to good players.
JB for Jalen Duren (via sign and trade) + Ron Holland+ 2FRP
If they flip Herro he probably goes for 2 firsts…….thats 5 first for Giannis plus role players asking four for Jaylen seems reasonable.
The Celtics don’t leak shit like this so it’s obviously a Shams friendly FO reporting what they were told what the price is… venturing a guess that it’s Memphis or Utah
Why is this news? They should ask for the moon and see who gets close enough to that asking price.
fuck them picks
3 firsts and other assets. Leaving that out is kinda disingenuous
Is there a trade to send him to the Nuggets for anything other than Jokic and Gordon?
No one better be stupid enough to make the Celtics great again.
I’m still confused why Boston is trying to trade Brown. He’s a top 10 player in the league and I don’t think you can just fill in the gap he leaves with some role players and picks
Why do they hate Brown so much in Boston?
all this and we dont even know if Tatum can carry a team 🤣🤣🤣
Dude, this is Idiocracy. All picks are not created equal. Asking price doesn’t mean anything.
I mean sure OK. Have we ever heard a story about an obviously good and desirable player on the market and the team leaking “yeah we’ll let him go for whatever”?
Didn’t they offer brown +2? Don’t know how accurate this is.
He’s due a 142m extension next month, nobody wants to pay him that.
I think Atlanta and Houston are two teams that could circle around this. Durant and FRPs to make up the centerpiece or do they put up Sengun?
BAHAHAHAHA
Why do they want picks?
Now I’m glad they didn’t but I’m slightly surprised Milwaukee didn’t take this deal. If they didn’t want JB then just flip him and you get a better package that what Miami had
Look I’m just gonna throw this out there. We all know that Brad is a very smart guy and that we definitely need to add a piece or two to get this roster more balanced. What if Brad is playing a game no one is seeing?
Think about it. The whole Giannis situation was its own thing but in the aftermath it created an opportunity of its own. No I’m not talking about trading JB. It puts us in the spotlight of the trading market.
Teams tend to keep who they’re willing to trade close to their chest but in a situation where there’s a high level player involved they might just let slip that they are willing to give up a guy you may have thought would not be traded. So their center that you thought was off the table might just be available.
I believe that we are keeping JB and using him as a carrot to keep ourselves in the spotlight and to garner more phone calls and discussions with other teams to benefit what moves we do make in the offseason. What if this is what is happening and JB is in on it and using his platform to help drum up offers to help us get the pieces we need.
It would not be a stretch to say that JB is in trade discussions every year and who better than to have the ability to deal with it since he’s been doing it for years. Plus with JB’s media presence it makes it that much louder and keeps the brain dead pundits locked in and constantly engaging in discussions.
You don’t see a lot of talk about D White or Hauser and those are guys who we really thought at some point might be traded. The whole summer is going to center on JB and I have a feeling that all of those discussions with other teams will help us negotiate the deals we need.
I don’t think JB is going anywhere.
This is what I do when I price a carpentry job that I really don’t want to do
I feel bad for Jaylen. I’m not even a Celtics fan.
Do u guys think he gets traded tonight?
someone tell me what team has that many besides the Spurs and OKC
Nah, go ahead and keep Brown, I’m sure your locker room chemistry is gonna be lit next season
Yea as a warriors fan i’d make that trade