Harden Mitchell and Brown is diabolical when there’s only one basketball

Did u watch the Knicks/cavs series?

Jaylen is better than Mobley.

In the playoffs there are two types of players in big spots. There’s “he’s him” and there’s “he’s not him.”

Mobley isn’t him. He is a good support player, and he might get there, but right now he’s not there, and I dont know why the Celtics would risk that.

Unless the other rumor for Lebron for Allen is true too…

i am with you on JB Overrated Island. there’s a reason advanced stats always hate this guy and the even when he was winning FMVP tatum was looking like the more impactful player on their team.

Granted, I (unpopularity) think JB is massively overrated

Jaylen Brown being overrated is an extremely popular viewpoint on this sub, unless you are going extreme with it (like saying he’s not an all-star and Max Strus is better or something)

PP isn’t a starter much better off the bench. They still need another starter. 

You forgot to say as good as an offensive team as the KG era bc that’s what it would be to start only 2 good shooters

agree, Cavs never utilized their 2 bigs effectively and they had no wings. this trade would fix both problems for them. not sure if it’s a good trade for Boston, Mobley is a rich man’s version of Queta (defense and dunks, no shooting).

we literally would have no second option anymore

Incoming Payton Pritchard 25 ppg season.

3 ball dominant guys, two who are absolutely terrible on defense, sounds genius

I don’t like Jaylen Brown playing off Harden at all.

There’s like zero synergy between those three offensive stars.

You arent wrong however I think Brad would rather have a big as a running mate with tatum. Queta filled in admirably last year but against the Embiid’s and Giannis’s of the world he cant hang and they get destroyed on the glass.

I think the Celtics also have a 28mil tpe they can use to bring in a second scoring option assuming they acquire mobley or another big.

Tyson should absolutely not be playing the 4 for anything other than spot duty

Our frontcourt depth is already paper thin and there are serious issues with Mitchell/Harden dynamic. Harden is who he is, but Mitchell’s terrible decision making was killing us all playoff long.

Barring some major evolution to Mitchell’s game I hate the idea of giving up any younger assets to try and make a championship push under “Mitchell’s window”. His flaws were on full display and as talented as he is, I just can’t imagine a team winning it all with a star player with the level of tunnel-vision he has

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I swear every time I think about taking a break from this sub I come across a comment like yours that makes me want to stay.

If this were true Giannis would be in Boston right now

Cavs only have 2 tradable firsts. I doubt the Cavs want to trade their 2031 and 2033 picks when Brown, and Mitchell might be off the team or retired by then

It’d have to be a sign and trade. Sign and trades need to have the player sign for 3 years. Brown is making 60 million a year. They’d have to sign and trade Harden on a ³⁄₁₈₀ contract, which the Celtics don’t want

We’d never do that.

Mobley really isn’t much a shooter. He is approaching respectability but isn’t a great FT shooter and likely won’t ever be considered good from outside. He’s a really hard player to evaluate because everyone wants him to be KG on offense when he’s more of a Draymond Green (minus the temperament).

Having 2 non shooting bigs is incredibly detrimental to a modern nba offense. Mobley ideally would be paired with a stretch 5, him being next to Allen puts him in the role to be relied to get his shot off more when he really shouldn’t be

I’d be fine with a Mitchell-Brown trade, but we’d need to make some other moves to make a Mobley-Brown trade make sense. Otherwise our front court would consist entirely of Allen, Nae’qwan Tomlin, and whatever vet min guys we can pick up.

We need big wings though, not a 6’5 wing

Allen was arguably our second best player this playoffs behind Mobley. We lose to the Pistons without Allen. 13/7/2bl on 65% shooting is excellent for the 4th starter in the playoffs

Edit: this is not me saying we should trade Mobley, this is a stupid trade idea for the Cavs and they will literally never trade Mobley for Brown. 0%. Cavs are way higher on Mobley than anyone else on the planet. Celtics would have to come with a god offer

So it’s probably a dope trade then. We’re all fucking stupid

Wonder if Jaylen’s discontent is more pronounced than reported. Cs wanting to move a guy with a proven motor for a dude without one is very odd.

I’ve watched these guys for 10 years. They play the same position, they do many of the same things, and the price today for that redundancy is weakness at the guard and big position. They do not complement each other on the floor, in the sense that they aren’t really involved in actions together, except in the sense that they’re both really good and other teams have to account for that. It gives them a very high floor and a ceiling that isn’t that much higher than their floor, IF the other pieces around them aren’t there. And today they aren’t there.

Answer me this, would you rather Harden take 5-8 shots per game and Brown take 10-15 along side him? Or Harden and Mitchell to each chunk 20+?

As for what it would do to you big wise, I hadn’t really thought that through, but having Mitchell and Brown on the same team to me helps fill the hole of not having to rely on James Harden to score in big moments and help pick up the offensive load. He can just focus on playmaking and keeping the second unit moving

As for Boston, it gets them a young versatile big that they don’t have currently that can help spread the floor and help them on the defensive end. And it gets rid of the whine bag that is Jaylen Brown

I think it potentially works better for Boston than this thread is giving credit for, but you’re right, tough trade for the cavs.