[Windhorst] The Miami Heat are expected to lose Norman Powell in free agency unless he takes a huge discount
Spoiler alert: he won’t be taking a huge discount
Pat Riley finding a side business to give Powell money rn
y’all got trees in florida? Can you plant gators?
Palm Tree sponsorship baby
Norm about to sign the biggest Carnival Cruise sponsorship of all time
They’ll give 5 billion dollars of Medicaid money to his wife’s fake foundation
now this is the florida is know and hate
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Pretty typical to feed chickens to gators, yes.
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I mean shit, the NBA has shown they don’t punish or even investigate that and they fucked us to the max with not disclosing Rozier was under FBI investigation…
We were told investigations like this take time. By the time we hear anything, Wemby may be a multi-time MVP.
I have 10 companies to sign endorsements, you just have to show up
Patspiration?
Ever seen Pat Connaughton’s real estate portfolio he built in Milwaukee?
Who has money to pay him this summer?
And it’s not like the Heat can legally do a S&T with ease.
He also didn’t look too great after he came back from his injury. Not sure if he rushed the recovery or just felt pressured after being injured in a FA year, but a lot of his decision making post-injury felt rushed and desperate. Not sure if that will turn some teams away.
Not sure if he rushed the recovery or just felt pressured after being injured in a FA year, but a lot of his decision making post-injury felt rushed and desperate
That’s just Norm Powell.
‘Heeeyyy Norman, have you heard of Aspirations?’
I’m hearing Thanasis Antetokoumpo is though
My man’s been quite unfortunate, he played well with us (almost got an all star) but we didn’t want to pay him, so we traded him to Miami.
Then in Miami he finally played his mind out early on, got an all star nod, and now they got Giannis he’s forced to go elsewhere or take a paycut.
How funny would it be if he went to the Celtics?
The Bucks… on a discount.
I wish, we still have Dame’s alimony on out payroll
I’m wondering if we don’t run cheap on active players and fully tank for two years and see if we can restructure to pay Dame out early. Get him off the books a year sooner.
We can’t really compete without a superstar and with his contract on the books.
Sure but Dame’s alimony will be on the books till 2030 (2029 in your plan) and we can’t truly start a rebuild until we own our picks given Milwaukee is probably one of the worst free agent destinations in the league, but we have swaps or outright traded our picks away till 2030. It doesn’t matter if we start a rebuild early, and if we suck severely and for long, we’ll have a harder time getting good picks. It’s better to stay trying to compete and be the 7-8th seed while exiting in the first round for now.
Which is why I wouldn’t mind a Herro extension tbh. Unless we can get Beef Stew, Holland, and #21 for him. Line up his, Myles, and Dame’s alimony on the same timeline, then hopefully Ware, Jak, and the lottery picks this year are the 2nd timeline, and by then we should have the draft capital to consistently add good young talent to them and get back into contention.
There is no point tanking anymore.
This made my morning, thank you
Fun fact: when Masai Ujiri traded Grevis Vasquez to the Bucks the return ultimately became both Norm Powell and OG Anunoby
Yes, super fun fact.
Had to check his basketball reference to remember how much he played for you before injuries. 130 total pts on 138 shots… Bucks Legend.
Very fun, thank you
He’d be doing it for the full circle moment since he was technically drafted by them
Not sure if Norman would wanna play with Herro again lol. Not that they didn’t get along, but their fit basketball was so terrible that Norman had to come off the bench once Tyler came back, even though Norman just came off an All-star first half.
That would really get the Celtics Heat rivalry re-ignited
Going to be an elite 4⁄5 first round series
At first I got upset, then I saw your flair
Fair enough, talk your shit
The true meta is the Celtics in the first seed regardless of roster and the Knicks in the 3rd 🤣
It would be very much like Brad to pick up the valuable scraps after a blockbuster deal
We have the MLE but Norm is probably worth more as an All Star.
Hes probably looking for 75m/3years given his age.
Please
Do they need Powell? I thought they needed a center
Norm is already 33 years old, coming off his best and All Star season. This next contract might be his last big payday. For his sake, he should not be taking a discount.
No for real. He’s proven his worth for years and has a legit All Star year. I can see his game aging gracefully and being a contributor still. He absolutely needs to get the most money he can. Sure a title would be nice and he’s not gonna go to just the most uncompetitive team, but he absolutely needs to prioritize a huge contract.
The problem is he excels on #2 option but is realistically a #3 on a contender. Plus he doesn’t defend or playmaker. So it’s hard to pay him massive money because you still need two other players making max money on top of him.
It’s hard to find a team that fits that.
Exactly. Honestly the Heat situation is perfect for him. He doesn’t have to be the clear #2 and they have a lot of size and defense.
He’d fit pretty well with the pistons idk if we want to pay him tho, at least long term
Yea I just like Herro’s age and the extra playmaking you get with him. If you’re going to maximize Duren, i think you need to put more shot creation around him whereas Powell sounds better playing off of Giannis / Bam / Davion (who isn’t amazing but he has shown more point guard skills).
He definitely should. But who is even gunna offer him that, with what cap space? At his age just seems like he’s gunna get lowballed for the 15m MLE
I’ll tell you who won’t: anyone that watched him post all star.
It’s was like he checked a box on his bucket list and was instantly done. Infuriating to see.
He also already has a ring so there’s not as much of a reason to ring chase, he’s gonna take the bag
He’s also 33 and has never had close to the assist numbers teams want from a second option. Obviously his size, defense, rebounding leave something to be desired.
Who is going to line up to give him a huge contract?
Nobody.
I think Wiggins and Powell could both be ack in Miami on very reasonable deals.
I guess the Lakers are a threat to try to steal Wiggins…. seems like they should target younger dudes though and they obviously have to address their center position.
cliuppers
We can give him a modest one :D
Yea Pistons could be an option. If I was Detroit, I’d want a younger player.
Sounds like the perfect time for the Lakers to sign him and watch him underperform from the prior year as is tradition.
for his sake? google says hes made anywhere between 100mil and 125mil over his career so far.. its not unheard for guys looking for a ring over a couple extra mil once they get financial security.. maybe norm would rather play for a chip than the money to buy that 4th yacht
He already has a ring. You underestimate how much millionaires love money.
true but these athletes are also super competitive and a losing season is not as fun as still making a couple million and being in the ring hunt for the season.. im sure he understands he only has a handful of seasons left and he would rather have long playoff runs than play 70 regular season games a year and go to cancun until hes retired
Who has space left for him? Memphis?
Giannis bam and freinds
Giannis, Bam, Wiggins and thats it
Wiggins still have to accept his player option?
Jovic
They are 1 k away from being a Super team.
Alex and THANASTY on the way to complete this super team.
They are 1k away from being 1k away
Idk why he didn’t force his way to Boston.
Everyone saying he was a diva but not once did he force the bucks to do anything.
Now he’s just gonna waste his last few prime years on Miami
Lmao sry I just got flashbacks to when jimmy signed with us. Just bar for bar the same comment
But Miami was his preferred destination and that’s where he ended up
And the Antetokounmpo bros
Giannis is not going to win another title and get punked on. If he had stayed with the Bucks, everyone would have blamed them.
Feels like a Norm Powell sign-and-trade is the eventual outcome.
For Norm to get the most money, the receiving team will likely need to offload salary. Could see Detroit as a potential destination if they don’t go for Herro.
Could see Miami taking back multiple lesser players to help backfill their roster.
Heat could weaken the Bucks’ market for Herro by dangling a Norm sign and trade to the Pistons
Why would Detroit, or anyone for that matter, want Powell on a large contract? Seems to me like he’s going to decline very quickly. Looked like it already started post all star break last year
Powell is probably going to get the big MLE at a minimum. The problem is the heat are hard capped and only have like 17ish million to fill their last 4 roster spots. So you’d need to get Norm to take like 8-9 million to make it work
They could probably have Wiggins opt out and re-sign for a lower AAV over more years and make space
powell is a good fit and a vet presence on the Pistons. Good alternative if they cant get Herro
I don’t think you guys could ever do that. You’re hard capped at the 1st apron.
You would only be able to take back 50% of his new salary from the sign and trade, so that could end up being even less than the MLE, assuming Portis goes into the trade exception.
We have the MLE to use and a TPE available. He would be nice in MN
How much you think he is asking for?
Last offseason, it was rumored he was looking for $30m.
I think he will end up signing for closer to \(21m-\)25m if he gets a multi-year deal.
Chicago could be in the mix too and they still have cap room
\(30M is a bit rich for a one dimensional player like norm, i think he’ll get \)25M AAV
I do not understand much of the way exceptions and contract math works in the NBA but, if they could afford to sign-and-trade him, why wouldn’t they just sign him?
That’s probably not going to happen as you’d need to bring back 4 guys making 17 million combined. Would be difficult to make the money work with salary matching
You’re hard capped at the first apron and only 18.3M below it with 5 roster spots open. So Pat would have to work really hard to find enough space to sign and trade Norm.
Pelinka loves redundant combo guards and is excited to use most of our cap space on a 6th man while bringing Ayton back at center
Ayton was a number 1 overall pick what could possibly go wrong
And it’s a former heat player? Get the max contract rdy
Come home bb
He should have never been traded. It was honestly one of masais biggest blunders.
I’m a grade A Masai glazer but totally agree.
at the time it looked like a good trade, gtj’s play fell off a cliff so fast
There was no reason to look at a guy like Norman who was clearly still improving and think you need to replace him with a guy who might have Powell’s ceiling.
wasnt the general consensus that GTJ was far younger and had more room to grow while already being 60% of Norm? hindsight is 20⁄20 but almost everyone was in favour
yes, and people weren’t too unhappy when GTJ showed promise early, before he regressed again to doing nothing except shooting.
The logic post championship was that several contracts were coming up and the Raptors needed to focus on retaining Siakam, OG, and Fred Van Vleet–all of whom where expected to get a big payday. Norm Powell was 27 and looked like he had plateaued so they traded him for Gary Trent Jr. who was 5 years younger and significantly cheaper.
The mystery box could be anything
Idk man, I feel like Powell has to be tired of moving around at this point
No one says no to money
Depends where, he could pickup state income tax. Also being young and rich in Miami would be fun
He’s 33 and married already.
LeBron was married when he was piping YesJulz in Miami.
Lmao tell me more
She used to host “parties” down in Miami during the heatles era and word on the streets of Miami is that Bron way laying the pipe on her at the time. I just wanna know if she was the one responsible for game 6, 2012 @ Boston lmao.
Thanks AJ. Good luck tonight
Completely unsubstantiated.
Dudes will make fun of dating shows for being nothing but toxic drama and then parrot hearsay about people they’ve never met in their life cheating on their partner in a subreddit about basketball.
Edit: bro really hit me with “lmao ur gay” before immediately blocking me. Bitchmade.
Unless the kids say no to moving, that has happened before for players
Lmao this will be Norman’s last major pay day, they’re going to have to deal with it
Why would that matter? An NBA player already isn’t home for half the season.
Leave the kids where they are.
He’s done nothing but produce wherever he’s gone. I get he’s getting older but feels like he’ll be a good piece wherever he goes.
He could honestly sign with a team in LA and end his career there. Clippers makes sense
I was told by heat fans something about bird rights causing him to stay
Heat has fans? Don’t they play in an empty gym?
They’re hard capped at the first apron after the Giannis trade
Those fans are incorrect.
Source: Milwaukee fan who lost all our good role players because we had Giannis’ big fat salary.
If that was before the Giannis trade they probably were right tbf
all the immediate giannis comments were like dam they need scoring, at least they have powell. Sheesh
lol this trade was so dumb
Miami Bucks
I’m sorry did I miss the bucks having Bam “83 points” Adebayo
Whats the point of trading for Giannis if you know you can’t put a team around him to win? This just sucks, what a waste for a player like that, I wanna see Giannis in May and June
They are ok being mid as long as it’s fun
I honestly don’t think this is bad for Miami. With Giannis and Bam, they need wings that can play defense and shoot 3s. The heat has no depth and can’t afford to give out a big contract. Probably better off getting Dean Wade and Luke Kennard with that money.
Don’t be putting my boy Wade in with Kennard like that lol. Many teams would love to have Dean Wade type player
Giannis, Bam and the G Leaguers is how it’s looking
So Giannis didn’t want to waste any years not competing for a championship only to waste a year not competing for a championship… Giannis is looking like a clown if this is really the Heat roster
Raptors, now is your chance to get him back
That would be fucking malpractice on their part. He’s the only above-average 3pt shooter left on their roster they need him
How high is Powell’s value around the league? I guess it only takes one. But I don’t think he’s all that highly thought of. Porous defender, getting up there in age. He’s had two consecutive very good offensive seasons when it comes to getting buckets, yet neither of the teams that had him had any interest in keeping him long-term. I’m sure he’s hated analytically. Bad rebounder, bad passer, bad defender, black hole offensively even though he’s efficient. Reminds me a bit of Kevin Martin.
Go get paid norm
He wants to get paid why would he take a big discount
No way he takes a discount he’s 33 and he already has a ring
This is the funniest timeline
HAHAHAHAHA
This trade is just rearranging chairs on the titanic in the 2nd apron era.
The Heat have their two max players in Bam and Giannis. You can’t fill out the team like you could in the Big 3 era.
The Bucks basically got the Miami Heat of last year minus Bam and that team sucked. Welcome the Bucks to the oblivion of the Sacramento Kings with zero national games or interest.
Cant they just hire a family member of his like the knicks
legit just going to be bam and giannis vs the world.
Heat starting 5 is going to be Giannis, Bam, DJ Khaled, Rick Ross and Pitbull
That will show Giannis! and sign this max extension!!!
Come home to the Raptors
Davion Mitchell is in the position to become a household name. Bobby Portia and the young guys have to all make leaps. Bam and giannis hopefully stay healthy. MAYBE Powell stays. All that happens and a finals trip does get probable. I don’t think a single frontcourt in the east is equipped for a playoff series with those 2 demons
Miami Heat:
Alan, we are so fucked
He was an all star last year which was his best year by far obviously. And still couldn’t get Miami into the playoffs in a “weak” east. And not to mention the other players Miami gave up. I’m really confused by this notion Miami is somehow now horrible with giannis. When they were shit with all those guys last season. Miami can literally only move up. At the very least they are in some sort of conversation about possibly competing, which is 1000x better than the position they were in before the trade.
Heat are playing for 2027, not 2026. In 2027 they’ll blow past the 1st apron in a known good FA year with a lot of bench/role players and 2nd/3rd options and contend for real.
They know they’ll be very mid in 2026.
The Heat have $18.1mil left assuming Wiggins opts in. We have his bird rights but idk how that works. Need cap nerds to figure out
… i’m not sure i mind losing him all that much, esp if we can get a lil something back in a s&t. was really underwhelmed by him post asb
They don’t have his Bird Rights?
They do but they’re hard capped at the first apron. Bird Rights let you go over the salary cap but not the hard cap.
They do
No fucking shit, dude.
This is reporting?
Oh snap, I thought he had one more year on his deal for some reason. Yeah this could be disastrous.
How does norm powell feel about deforestation?
Man he’s a good fit a lot of places and 33. I’m not taking that discount.
How much of a pay cut are we talking here
Norman Powell, you are a Detroit piston
He’s on his 30s coming from a huge season. This will be his last chance to score a good payday, he ain’t taking a discount lol.
Guess they still banking with Spo’s coaching.
Let’s see what the Skyforce have been cooking up for Spo.
My Bulls, can you make a run for this guy?
He’ll take the pay cut, but coincidentally there was a new super yacht named ‘The New Norm’ docked by the docks owned by Pat Riley’s yacht
Get that bread.
Powell is a big time scorer. He’s been fun to watch.
Funny how this dude is in these “look at the new Heat starting 5” graphics when he’s a FA and most likely gone. Heat gonna rue this trade.
Bam and Giannis bout to average 83 and 64 to make it all the way to the finals.
It’s fine. The NBA proved that they don’t care about it, so he should just get paid through companies like aspiration.
Who’s gonna pay him
I can see the Bulls throwing him a decent bag. They like to pay for that type of player
to where though?
Oh that’s not good
We better stay away from
Damn. So it’s Giannis, Bam, Andrew Wiggins who is meh and a bunch of nobodies? Somehow they end up in the ECF before getting blown away by the Knicks lmao
So, it’s just gonna be Giannis, Bam, Wiggins and plumbers?
Honestly I think they should sign Luke Kennard and get Duncan Robinson back from the pistons. Let Norm go and and see what happens with Wiggins. I don’t think the Heat are in bad as a situation as you think.
He’s already got a ring. No discount.
I don’t see why the Heat would need him to take a huge discount? I get that they added a lot of payroll with Giannis and Portis. But the team can work with Wiggins to have him decline his player option and extend him out to 3 seasons for a lower short term hit and then make a competitive offer to Powell. I get that they might want Powell to take a smaller deal. Without Powell the team has no credible third scoring option. So the idea that you are going to just lose him seems silly to me.
No worries Pat and Spo will show the league that Adam Silver should have rightfully took the Hornets 1st rounder instead of the Heat.
So weird how they punish Heat for acquiring a player during an investigation when the investigation been started with the Hornets and the league. Deshaun Watson had the same case scenario and the Dolphins nearly traded for him but backed out becuz he maybe suspended.
All Silver was supposed to do is place Rozier on leave and make him payback the money from his breach of contract during the years he gambled, and none of that happened while with the Heat.
With Norm at least they have a really good starting lineup, but the bench is just filler. Without him wtf even is this team.
I want everyone to remember on this thread the Heats track record for the last 7-8yrs, they have constantly been in the postseason race, their player development is prestige to say the least, and they have always had core players surrounded by a lot of supporting acts. I’m saying all this to really make the point, that with or without Norman Powell the Heat will be ok.
The Knicks won their title when Brunson decided to take that massive pay cut. A selfless move for the benefit of the team that you rarely ever see.
Don’t blame Norm at all though, likely his last chance at a big bag
So… Lakers or Pistons?
What are we thinking here?
Depends on what other teams are offering tbh and even then I wouldn’t be surprised if a sign and trade happens for more depth.
‘Just get him here at any cost, we’ll figure out the rest!’…
The big 3 of Giannis, Bam, and Powell doesnt sound attractive??
Spo gonna have to lace them up
Hope Giannis likes Bam because that’s all he’s gonna have
Opening up space for Thanasis
Lmao, damn. Giannis brought Milwaukee with him to South Beach!
GET YOUR BAG NORM. Don’t settle for less.
Now that the bulls took on salary, aren’t the Lakers and like the Nets the only teams that can offer him more than the Heat?
I could see the Lakers making that move if they miss out on Reaves, but otherwise, I don’t see how he doesn’t re-sign with the Heat.
I like Norm but, he’s 33 and it seemed like he was injured for half of last season after he was injured at the end of the previous season with the Clippers. If he’s more than your 4th best player, you’re not very good. I doubt he gets more than 20k/ year and i dont think he’s worth that. 15-16k per for 3 years or 16-18k for 2 years seems fair.
Not as big of a loss as people make it seem.
He was fantastic to start the season. But he was a traffic cone and bricklayer deep into the year. Won’t miss him. See ya buddy! Congrats on being an all-star though.