It’s not even that man Baylor is 2 years younger than Tatum, and he’s getting the label of a young player. Our fans are talking about “gutting the future” like we don’t have a superstar in his prime right now.

Being ok with trading Brown but saying no to Scheireman or Gonzalez is insane

It’s Baylor and Hugo and additional draft capital. Team wasn’t desperate enough to gut their depth and draft capital for a player like Giannis who has his own question marks the past few seasons

It pretty clearly sounds like it wasn’t Schierman alone that was the sticking point. Charania says they wanted multiple young players and picks.

It was a fair offer for Giannis. The Bucks just wanted a multitude of assets instead of one star player.

Tbf that’s a starter in a game 7 in the playoffs level player 😂

The only defense I can muster is that the Celtics did not want to be Giannis + Tatum + 8 empty roster spots. Depth matters, especially when you don’t know how healthy Tatum and Giannis can be for a whole season, and if I’m the Celtics I am optimistic about running back this team. But they took a huge gamble putting Brown so openly on the table

I thought it was centel when I read that lmfao

Yeah idk where I fall on this. Miami getting beaten up for doing the deal because they have no depth and no future and Boston getting beaten up for not doing it because they wouldn’t sacrifice enough depth or future

I seriously doubt this is true. They are both easily replacable and zero chance GMs don’t know this.

The value of a white guy on the Boston Celtics piece

I thought he was truly delusional ‘reporting’ that. I can’t believe it’s true lmao

Not throwing role players into the trade seems insane on its face but there is an opportunity cost.

The Celtics can get a lot for Jaylen Brown so the decision needs to be evaluated against what that eventual haul will be

What did he call?

How many hugos is that ?

BREAKING: The Shanghai Sharks have entered the Jaylen Brown bidding war with a reported $400M offer. Brown is expected to demand a trade if Boston is unable to match. Brown was reportedly heard yelling “Pay me or trade me 母狗!” in the locker room after today’s practice.

65 million American dollars a year for Jaylen Brown is absurd

Yucky

modern celtics rings are cursed with a decade of mediocrity after winning

And turning 30 this year

Baylor Scheierman 30 pt legacy game in the playoffs vs NY this year

All fun and games until Baylor hits you with a pipe wrench

One year away from being one year away.

just a wee lad

I mean at some point, you need competent guys to soak up some minutes (even in the playoffs) if you trade brown, 2 firsts, multiple guys (Hugo played 15 minutes and schierman played 18 both on 70+ games) you just have a really thin team that requires Giannis to carry the load heavily during the regular season and then also in the post season.

Feels like the Celtics had a fair offer, and the heat overpaid to be a play-in team.

Don’t worry, the Celtics subreddit is saying all of this was a conspiracy to drive the trade value up and we’re all just being naive lol

Celtics were right not to offer that, and Bucks were right to prefer Miami’s deal. There’s a clear rebuild timeline for us now. Let the two lottery picks, and young players acquired from Miami, have their chance to prove themselves, and have our picks and Miami’s in the early 2030s if nothing sticks from these young guys.

I dunno, pissing off your player after including them in trade talks just to walk away because of some rough diamond in the gem you think you have seems dumb

Giannis for brown + sweeteners is a fair deal but it sounds like Milwaukee wanted as much as we could possibly give. Maybe he’s too in love with our young guys (and Baylors not even young) but Brad has earned the benefit of the doubt I think

Maybe, though Stevens record is pretty clean on valuing players and when to trade them

At some point, you need to draw a line and not keep giving up more and more stuff.

Let’s say The Bucks convinced Stevens here to do Jaylen, Hugo, and 2FRPs, and then they came back and said “Actually we wanted Jaylen, 2 FRPs and BOTH of Hugo and Baylor”. Should Stevens have also agreed to that? What about when the Bucks come back and ask for JB, Baylor, Hugo, and 3 FRPs? T

The Celtics offer was Jaylen and 2 FRPs. That’s fair value for Giannis if you want to stay competitive and not completely bottom out to the worst team in the league. The Bucks decided they wanted to go the path of getting more tools to rebuild with. That is just how it is

Or Boston didn’t want to get taken to the woodshed like Miami lol

They pulled a Pat Riley lol

Baylor also turns 26yrs old in September.

It’s not like he’s a young player who is years away from his physical prime and can be developed since most NBA players prime is like 25-30yrs old.

Honestly I don’t. Baylor is 25, he’s not exactly an exciting prospect

If I was Milwaukee, I think I’d rather have the Heat offer. I guess it depends how good everyone really thinks Hugo is. I’m a green teamer, so for me he’s the next Manu, but my impression is that the rest of the league doesn’t agree

Would argue a big part of having Brad Stevens and Mazulla is trusting their ability to repeatedly find value in the bottom first/2nd/cheap FA level of roster management rather than putting such value in the specific players they chose. If you arent doing that you in many ways arent fully maximizing their value.

If its at JB/2 unprotected firsts, that’s the substantive portion of the value of the deal and putting JB on the table at that pt but walking away over this, just dont think its the best.

Hugo and Baylor are never going to be good enough to play real playoff minutes on a contender without two top 10 guys carrying them.

A lot of professional athletes are just grown men with stunted mental and emotional growth though, and Brown strikes me as a petty dude lol.

I think they’ll be fine though.

Cuz the Bucks were obligated to give Giannis away for cheap

Because it wasn’t just Scheierman and Hugo, Milwaukee wanted 3 FRPs and Swaps. That a bit steep especially when we still have to find a Center and fill out the rest of the roster.

On paper it would seem so but role guys have trade value and Herro is attractive to alot of teams looking for scoring punch.

That’s also before u factor in who the firsts are from. Miami as constructed now prob gives u a better chance at higher picks. 

Brown is going into his age 30 season on a terrible contract that’s about to get worse next month. Boston should have thrown in the white guys.

You don’t blow a chance at a top 5 player over fringe assets.

if both of those picks are #25ish, I honestly don’t think so. The Heat did the thing of trading all of their draft upside over a significant period, timed for their post-Bam/Giannis future (2030, 2031, 2033). That isn’t Prokorov territory, but it’s close. 8-10 years from now, the Bucks will be good, the Heat will be stuck, and Pat Riley will be dead.

Seems like Brad learned a bit too much from Ainge.

Ainge was the king of the “we could have also made that trade but we didn’t” after any trade would happen while he was in Boston.

Idk I think a player is not gunna look at it that way. Jaylen’s just gunna hear “we wanted someone else instead of you”. It’s not like they turned down a straight up one for one trade either, they didn’t turn it down because they wanted to stick with Jaylen, they turned it down because they didn’t wanna give up the extra assets

I just don’t think he’s gunna be able to look at it rationally and see that they’re trying to get a top 25 player ever

He’ll forget about it as long as they offer him that massive extension. I hate the Celtics, but Brown was good last year. Not MVP good, but top 10-15 for sure. 

This is something that isn’t recognized enough with these trades. First round picks aren’t created equal. Yes, there’s always risk in giving them up, but I’d value the 13th pick this year a lot more highly than the Knicks 2027 first rounder.

But they didn’t get the deal and everything is out in the open. Who do they deal Brown for now? This is a fail IMO

Because it’s not just about who is the best individual piece in the trade. It’s about the context of the teams and draft capital.

MIL gets Jaylen, what do they achieve? They’ve went from a top 5 player in Giannis to Jaylen who many argue isn’t a true #1 or isn’t going to get you very far as the #1. He’s going on 30, we’ve likely seen the best of Jaylen already in a well-run Boston organization under high-level staff, and his timeline doesn’t match a rebuild. By the time they put together a competitive roster you’re potentially paying Jaylen an insane amount of money to stay because it’s unlikely he stays in MIL or doesn’t degrade the locker room with his unhappiness otherwise. Meanwhile you’re delaying the growth of other potential players and don’t really have the assets or attractiveness as a location to make a move for a major costar and fill out the rest with quality players anyway.

If your goal is to just trade Jaylen Brown, then he’s unlikely to get you as many assets in return as Giannis so it’s kind of moot.

Miami’s offer gives them an immediate option at 13 in a loaded draft including multiple other picks. It gives them multiple young quality role-players to work with or move if they so choose. And they aren’t locked into having to extend and commit to Jaylen as a cornerstone to build around or otherwise try to get more out of Jaylen as a trade piece when the draft is imminent than Giannis himself.