whiterice_343 | Timberwolves

381 | 5 hours ago

Go ahead and laugh at my pain

GunsmokeIV | Kings

64 | 5 hours ago

Want a beer? We kept your seat warm.

whiterice_343 | Timberwolves

28 | 5 hours ago

Just get me a coors banquet and some Xanax please

Smell_the_funk | Mavericks

12 | 3 hours ago

Could be worse

tomdawg0022 | Timberwolves

5 | 3 hours ago

Any chance of Summit or Ursa Minor?

LifterPuller | Timberwolves [MIN] Naz Reid - Jaden McDaniels

2 | 3 hours ago

I’ll have the same, please.

ASK_ABT_MY_USERNAME | Warriors

10 | 4 hours ago

I already was

whiterice_343 | Timberwolves

11 | 3 hours ago

You will rue the day

sixagon | San Francisco Warriors

1 | 9 minutes ago

Dr. Hathaway’s gonna hear about this.

smalls_1804 | Knicks

5 | 2 hours ago

What’s sad is it really felt like the Wolves were building aggressively but smartly around Edwards, and even the KAT/Randle trade had a lot to commend it at the time. It just didn’t work out and now it feels like they’re scrambling

raki016 | Timberwolves

274 | 5 hours ago

There’s only 5 franchises who can claim they’ve had a better last three years than the wolves.

The point of getting assets is to get them to play, and the results have been two WCF and one semis.

That’s better than 85% of the league in the same period.

Carl1t0_Goon | Thunder

78 | 3 hours ago

Yea acting like all of this wasn’t on the higher end of positive outcomes is ridiculous. Even the Gobert trade has worked out for you all. There have been some swings and misses, but the FO has done a good job.

imwerkin | Timberwolves

17 | 3 hours ago

Agreed, the FO has given us excitement and hope which we’ve needed for a long time. Not everything can work but its been a hell of a lot better than the turtling years of just being that small market team.

jossteen11 | Timberwolves

4 | an hour ago

And the flexibility to keep making moves. I dont think we can judge this trade for a while still. Sure KAT won a title, but part of the reason of moving on from him was the second apron restrictions.

As it stands right now, we have a lot of ability to retool, sign, trade, do whatever because we arent facing those restrictions.

AkirraKrylon | Knicks

37 | 4 hours ago

Talk your shit, Wolves bro. As someone who benefited from the KAT trade immensely, I understand why that was a move that had to be made.

smalls_1804 | Knicks

18 | 2 hours ago

Yeah Wolves have been so good. The Randle trade made a ton of sense at the time even knowing his flaws. But pure salary dumping him is a tough pill to swallow. KAT despite his contract was still a very good player who fit well next to Gobert

MindPlayinTricks0nMe | Raptors

12 | 2 hours ago

Wolves already made it to the WCF with KAT and traded him without running it back.

I get Wolves wanted to avoid the second apron but i don’t think trading KAT was the answer.

JaderMcDanersStan | Timberwolves

2 | an hour ago

Yeah I really wish we kept him. I loved that 23-24 squad, wish they got one more year

Nico_the_Suave

1 | an hour ago

I was honestly pretty shocked when the trade occured at all the people calling it a win-win. I understand trying to get under the 2nd apron, but in terms of personnel to me NY came out the clear winner.

Daventherock | Timberwolves

1 | 19 minutes ago

I think the two WCF thing a little overrates how good we’ve been. The 23-24 team was a legit contender but 24-25 we got lucky with our matchups and were thoroughly outclassed by OKC. It’s still been the golden age of Timberwolves basketball so I can’t be too mad especially with the Rudy trade, but now we’re entering Ant’s prime and it’s hard to see a pathway to get even close to OKC or SAS for the foreseeable future

RonBakerErasure

-3 | 3 hours ago

Hang the banner…

GreenGorilla8232

-8 | 3 hours ago

On the other hand, they’ve had a generational superstar for 6 years without making a championship and the clock is ticking.

When you have a player like Edwards, the expectations are higher. Winning in the semi-finals isn’t good enough.

RonBakerErasure

15 | 3 hours ago

If ant is generational, the term generational has lost all meaning

OkGuy5000 | Timberwolves

6 | 3 hours ago

Hey man, I love ANT but he ain’t a Steph or LeBron, cmon man lol

Common-Bad-7899 | Timberwolves

219 | 5 hours ago

lol are we gonna follow the cap space for the next 4 years now?

EsotericPotato [OP] | Timberwolves

26 | 5 hours ago

Are you talking about Randle’s trade exception? The one Jon K explicitly said doesn’t think they’ll ever use?

sewsgup

31 | 5 hours ago

that was a mood killer for sure. thought there was some cool ways they could use that 33m exception and still stay under the 2nd apron, but doesnt seem thats the case

low_dab | Timberwolves

3 | 2 hours ago

According to the opinions of a reporter… We’ll know more in 12 hours

Ok_Sound_8090 | Timberwolves

20 | 5 hours ago

Soundin an awful lot like a return to the cheapo glen taylor years

SenorSolAdmirador | Timberwolves

16 | 4 hours ago

We’ll have to see if it goes that way, but it’s been on my mind ever since the ARod/Lore group started having to scrounge around their couch cushions to even be able to make the installment payments for the purchase of the team. Kind of a red flag considering by sports team standards, it was a pretty cheap price.

noknownallergies | Timberwolves

11 | 4 hours ago

Glen was never cheap with the roster. He made poor decisions but he wasn’t cheap. Hell, he gave KG such a big contract that the rest of the owners had a lockout so such a contract never to be possible again.

Vicentesteb | Timberwolves

10 | 5 hours ago

The exception is useless, but the trade can be expanded to include other teams and other moves.

Common-Bad-7899 | Timberwolves

2 | 5 hours ago

Does that flexibility disappear? Also there isn’t a single player out there available in the trade exception that would be clearly better than Randle. Why do we want to keep taking back flawed players.

CazOnReddit | Raptors

163 | 5 hours ago

Don’t forget they also included a 2030 swap in the Rob Dillingham trade

ABVolp | Spurs

43 | 5 hours ago

Yeah but I don’t think the Dillingham trade actually cost their 2024 first pick, did it? I thought they got Dillingham from San An with just the 2031 swap.

NoShape0 | Spurs

45 | 5 hours ago

Wolves didn’t have a lottery ‘24 pick. So they gave us their ‘30 and ‘31 picks to get Dillingham at 8th.

IncaseAce | Thunder

27 | 4 hours ago

Underrated awful trade, I better not see an Ant trade for next 6 seasons

Drewismyname | Spurs

23 | 4 hours ago

I vividly remember fans of ours being pissed we traded that. lol thank the gods we’re all dumb as hell

IncaseAce | Thunder

13 | 4 hours ago

Had two top 10 picks and came out with the better player while the other guy got dumped 😭

Piats99 | Spurs

4 | an hour ago

There was a lot of hype behind Dilligham, though. Super fast and crafty with playmaking potencial higher than Castle, who was playing as a SF for UConn.

Dillingham turning into nothing is due to the fact he is way undersized for the league, but it’s not like he went 8th because of a miracle, he was projected there for a reason.

Fortunately, though, TWolves managed to turn 2 busts into Dosunmu, who’s had a great year and helped them solve the PG rotation.

Trivia. Both Dilligham and Leonard Miller were acquired from Spurs with a trade on draft night. LM was a 2nd rounder drafted trading us Minny’s 2nd round picks in 2027 and 2028.

WhoreyMatthews | Spurs

5 | 4 hours ago

It depends on who we had on our board for the 8th pick.

Buzelis would have been a great get and fit perfectly with this year’s team.

FirmRoyal | Timberwolves

1 | 2 hours ago

How else will we get a rental of the next superstar rookie?

Greedy-Mix9270 | Knicks

3 | 4 hours ago

2 picks for shifty boy brother ew

seventeenweewees | Timberwolves

6 | 3 hours ago

You’re correct, this post is super wrong.

The Wolves traded a future pick and a swap for the 8th pick in 2024. That’s not a bad trade at all.

They used the 8th pick on Dillingham who was a bust.

The trade wasn’t bad, the pick was bad.

jossteen11 | Timberwolves

2 | an hour ago

Yeah Dillingham was a bust but we have sorely needed a guard, sometimes you gotta swing and it doesnt work.

Sure KAT won a title with the Knicks, but I’m not convinced with his salary and second apron restrictions by keeping him we get a title or the flexibility. We still made another WCF, this year DD blew out his Achilles and Ayo missed four games against the Spurs with an injured Ant. The DD injury makes this seem worse than it is.

We are now back below the first apron so no real restrictions, lots of maneuverability. We can get Ayo at an average value of almost 22.5 million. I’m going to withhold judgement until the rest of free agency plays out. It’ll also be interesting to see what can be without restrictions over the next couple of years. If beringer can develop like we think/hope and can use the flexibility to fix holes, I dont think its doom and gloom like some people are claiming. Part of moving Kat was to have this flexibility.

up_in_trees | Lakers

1 | 9 minutes ago

Wasn’t that a draft night trade, making the trade and pick the same thing?

MG_MN | Timberwolves

128 | 5 hours ago

Ignoring team success on the court doesnt tell you the whole story. Theyve had more success the past few years than in franchise history, thats more valuable than maintaining being a play in team and drafting mid first rounders

kanokari | Timberwolves

27 | 5 hours ago

I think they could have had similar success without completely fucking their assets up. Doesn’t take much to be better than the majority of the franchise’s history.

MG_MN | Timberwolves

17 | 5 hours ago

Maybe, maybe not. If they didnt raise the floor of the team with Gobert there’s a chance this is a Wiggins 2.0 thing with Ant. Developing and getting him experience at a young age instead of staying in the lottery and not trying to compete was huge for him.

I continue to be confused at Wolves fans for being upset over the this era. Easy to see who jumped on recently

larrylegend33goat | Timberwolves

5 | 4 hours ago

Am a big Rudy fan but remember KG coming out of high school then joining with Pierce etc.

I always thought what if the Timberwolves had grabbed Pierce instead.

In Rudy, the Timberwolves weren’t taking a gamble but getting a sure thing. Playoff lock perennially. If anything that increases Ant wanting to stay, seeing the franchise invest in winning and getting a taste of success and seeing it is possible as a Timberwolf.

Now Jaden and Naz also have playoff experience and seem more mature and better on D.

People overlook how hard it is to win a championship.

Vicentesteb | Timberwolves

19 | 5 hours ago

We’ve had 1 50 win season and won 2 WCF games. All for like 8 firsts, an All NBA player and a bunch of role guys too.

MyHonkyFriend | CHI

47 | 5 hours ago

Sounds like the cost of the NBA for most teams.

SavionWilliamsLover

9 | 4 hours ago

Not everyone’s the warriors who can just draft klay, dray, and Steph

Wavepops

21 | 5 hours ago

winning is hard brother, especially in the west

MG_MN | Timberwolves

9 | 5 hours ago

In the prior 16 years, what did keeping those firsts get us? Keeping the picks and drafting at 15 every year doesnt guarantee a championship either

brandnameb | Knicks

6 | 4 hours ago

You made two western conference finals..the team had been to 1 WCF in existence before that. What are you whining about? Plus making the playoffs for like 5 years running.

Confident_Ad_5345

14 | 5 hours ago

you made the conference finals the year before you traded KAT—you weren’t a play in team

MG_MN | Timberwolves

15 | 4 hours ago

…because we traded for Gobert prior

Confident_Ad_5345

10 | 4 hours ago

you’re missing the point. you weren’t blowing it up as a play in team. you were making the above trade as a conference finals team. the guy you traded away just won the NBA finals and carried them to their first two wins there while looking like the best player on the team all postseason. you said “they’ve had more success the past few years than in franchise history” as if trading KAT away was necessary for that success—it wasn’t and he was already part of it.

MG_MN | Timberwolves

2 | 4 hours ago

The 2nd apron exists. Wolves are far from the only team to break things up because of it. See Boston, see Knicks at a lower level. Kat crumbled in the playoffs and was considered the worst contract in the league. Revisionist history on him

Confident_Ad_5345

3 | 4 hours ago

KAT was never the worst contract in the league lol come on. Bradley Beal still had his NTC active at this time. even if you thought you had to break up the team like boston, you didn’t have to do it by moving your second best player. Boston didn’t break up the team by trading JB for julius randle and DDV—you guys did. boston kept their two best guys and as much depth as they could. i watched enough julius randle prior to this trade to know it was not worth it and lots of other people did too.

Tall-Dot-607 | Pistons

6 | 4 hours ago

Saying all this is so dumb. The Wolves traded Kat and then immediately made it back to the WCF.

Are we just discounting that Ant and DDV… 2 of their biggest shooting guards, were injured in the playoffs this year? And they still upset the Nuggets?

Yall are fucking wild if you think Wolves havent been just as competitive without Kat as when they had him.

Some dumb revisionist history going on this off season.

Confident_Ad_5345

0 | 4 hours ago

that wasn’t the point. i was responding to OP’s suggestion that they had to do the KAT trade this way to even get this far in the playoffs (cause they were already in the conference finals)—that they had to walk away with ayo and donte by giving up KAT and three first round picks.

GuyWithNoSwagger | Bulls

1 | 4 hours ago

Insane cope, KAT did underperform in the playoffs that year but he was never considered the worst contract in the league

Gyroflex | Timberwolves

-2 | 3 hours ago

go back to the threads after the mavs series, the revisionist history on the Kat trade is insane

dijjitalnomad

2 | an hour ago

No perennial all star and potential all-nba contender is on a bad contract regardless of what reddit says lol

PrincDraganIV

11 | 4 hours ago

Yes, but not a single person with even a passing basketball knowledge and an operative pair of eyes will complain about trading mid (positionally as well as qualitatively speaking) first rounders for Rudy Gobert, a top 3-5 floor raiser in the league.

If they had found a way to unlock KAT the way the Knicks have, paying exorbitant taxes would definitely be worth it. If we’re talking pure talent, him and Randle are not even in neighboring tiers. In that case, they could’ve used an odd 19th pick for a serviceable role player, either via draft or trade.

Joan Beringer does look good, although it could be another 2-3 years before he’s needed to replace Rudy or take the majority of his minutes.

Far-Veterinarian104 | Rockets

6 | 4 hours ago

I don’t get it either. People overvalue first round picks too much. For example, I don’t think the Nets are too excited about having the 25th - 30th pick in the draft next year because of the Knicks but people thought that was a horrible trade. First round picks should be thought as, “would my team be so good to the point where my first round pick becomes a glorified second round pick if I trade for this person?” If the answer is yes then your first round picks arent that valuable.

PrincDraganIV

1 | 4 hours ago

You could dig out an occasional serviceable player in the 20-30 range if you know how to properly scout, undoubtedly. The thing is - how did you get yourself in that position?

If you’re a lucky conference (semi)finalist on the rise that just traded for a cornerstone player (which Rudy is) and is left with only late 1st rounders as swaps or something - cool, it’s not easy but it’s manageable.

If you traded a player for a worse player, wasted a pick elsewhere and then traded it for a different player that you could’ve got in a different arrangement - you made some dumb moves.

SJCitizen | 76ers

1 | 4 hours ago

People think every trade that involves multiple Firsts will be like the Nets/Celtics trade but they ignore the fact that the guys in that deal were all in their mid/late 30s and their starting PG fell off a cliff at that same time. Timberwolves and Knicks cores were young when they made their trades.

Viking999

1 | 3 hours ago

Narratives are more useful to click baiters than actual reality.

Late 1st round picks are not that valuable.

DanTheMan14331 | Knicks

1 | 2 hours ago

They were never going to unlock KAT with Gobert on the roster. His value comes as a stretch 5

Primary-Paint-1716 | Timberwolves

1 | 4 hours ago

That’s true but we gotta agree that the Randle swap was essentially a cost cutting measure.

We would probably had the same success if we just kept KAT.

STILL LOVE YOU KAT!

Neat_Conference_8414

0 | 4 hours ago

Copium lmao. Literally made it as far with Kat as y’all did with Randle.

MG_MN | Timberwolves

2 | 4 hours ago

Exactly, that trade wasnt a disaster

browndude10 | United States

0 | 3 hours ago

drafting mid first rounders

not like you have done anything with those first rounders mind you. You could have used them to hit on guys instead of playing conley forever

TyposIncoming | Lakers

-7 | 5 hours ago

If you ain’t first you’re last

MG_MN | Timberwolves

4 | 5 hours ago

So then hoarding assets with not attempt at being competitive is better than what they did? Ill disagree on that from a fan perspective

TyposIncoming | Lakers

-4 | 4 hours ago

Not what I said, but the line of thinking that moves were good because they lost more successfully than in years past is stupid to me. The asset management has been bad for the Wolves and now they’re going into Ant’s prime years in a worse place than they could be.

MG_MN | Timberwolves

3 | 4 hours ago

If they didnt try competing the past few years, are we sure that Ant is still Ant? So many talented players join tank races their first few years and never develop. Getting him high-level experience no doubt helped him turned into what he is.

The title or bust mentality is a weird mindset. 29 teams arent utter failures each year. If true, there is no reason for anybody to be a fan of any team really

TyposIncoming | Lakers

-3 | 4 hours ago

It’s not title or bust as much as a title being the goal. You sound content with making 2 WCF and now falling back into a rebuild where I’m suggesting that better management could have built the team in a way that would continue to get better at this point. Obviously not every team should try to win a championship every year, but that should be what you’re building towards.

MG_MN | Timberwolves

7 | 4 hours ago

We arent in a rebuild though. People hate Julius, we trade Julius, and suddenly people are upset about it.

You arent in a rebuild when your core is 26 and under. They are definitely retooling and more work is to be done, but they have flexibility to do it.

My point overall is that the Wolves get clowned for the past three years when the vast majority of the league (like 24 teams) had worse runs during that time. Its treated like an abject failure. When in reality whatever moves the Wolves made wouldnt have given them more success than they had

TyposIncoming | Lakers

-1 | 4 hours ago

You just salary dumped the guy that plays the second most minutes on your team. If that’s not at least a soft rebuild I don’t know what is.

People aren’t upset that you traded Randle. People are reflecting at the poor asset management that lead to the Wolves salary dumping him.

MG_MN | Timberwolves

3 | 4 hours ago

If they do nothing with the flexibility, we can talk. But proactively getting mad serves no purpose

TyposIncoming | Lakers

1 | 4 hours ago

It’s not really flexibility though. After bringing back Ayo the Wolves don’t really have money to do anything with.

kylebertram | Timberwolves

1 | 4 hours ago

So the Luka trade has been a failure for the Lakers?

TyposIncoming | Lakers

2 | 4 hours ago

No but the building around Luka last year was largely a failure.

kylebertram | Timberwolves

0 | 3 hours ago

Ok but if you ain’t first your last and Lakers haven’t even won a game in the second round since the trade.

TyposIncoming | Lakers

1 | 3 hours ago

Sure which is why I’m not acting like our seasons have been successful. They haven’t been. I’m not celebrating winning 50 games or losing in the WCF

kapatinphalcon | Kings

34 | 5 hours ago

Trading for Rob was the real downfall. They absolutely had to hit on that pick

CommercialLeg2439 | Timberwolves

-1 | 4 hours ago

We got Ayo out of Rob tho

kapatinphalcon | Kings

38 | 4 hours ago

You still could have gotten Ayo regardless of Rob being on the team. You traded an unprotected 1st to jump top 8 to select the clear bust of the top 10 lol He has played the least out of the top 10 drafted…

Mets_BS | Knicks

3 | an hour ago

I really hope they cook with their MLE because ooooof that’s a hard trade to justify

NoRecord3000 | Rockets

20 | 5 hours ago

Still bettef than the Luka trade

thor_1225 | Heat

19 | 5 hours ago

Idk if it’s a flex that it’s better than the worst trade anyone can remember

Nearby_Ad9439

6 | 4 hours ago

This. Talk about the ultimate low bar to clear.

turdfergusonn1

0 | 5 hours ago

This

refreshing_yogurt

11 | 4 hours ago

It’s kind of hard to go back and figure out the numbers now for sure, but could they have kept KAT and stayed below the aprons? Looking at the cap sheet now it looks possible to me if they were willing to let Naz Reid walk. If they were willing to go above the first apron they could have kept NAW at his current number to be the other backcourt player.

Looking at it that way, it almost feels like they chose Naz Reid over KAT. Obviously what they actually chose was Donte, Reid, and Randle over KAT but I think the only player that they would have had to lose to stay under the second apron in the KAT version of the team was Reid. And they ended up not re-signing NAW anyway.

Shepher27 | Timberwolves

11 | 3 hours ago

They specifically got fucked by the second apron hitting right after they signed KAT to that massive extension. In a post second apron world they likely try to negotiate with KAT more.

FishGoldenLite | Timberwolves

6 | 5 hours ago

This is bullying 😡

holyhibachi

7 | 5 hours ago

You are truly the first to post this

shredmiyagi

6 | 5 hours ago

Connelly and Arturas share the great fortune that was Nikola Jokic… and otherwise very questionable GM moves.

Both found a few gems, but also recklessly gave up FRPs and major talent (Lauri/KAT) for poor returns.

The cumulative “in/out” charts are fugly.

abris33 | Nuggets

1 | 44 minutes ago

I’d say the Gobert trade was a success too after it was criticized so much at the time. It completely changed their identity. Although it was probably still a massive overpay that depleted their assets and they might have been better off picking KAT over Gobert a couple years ago

onelegonedream | Grizzlies

5 | 5 hours ago

They didn’t use their 2024 pick to draft Dillingham. They only traded a 2030 pick swap and 2031 pick for him.

They used their 2024 pick to draft Shannon

SuperVaderMinion | MIN

4 | 5 hours ago

You know you can’t just not count the two years Julius Randle played for us right? That’s not how that works

EsotericPotato [OP] | Timberwolves

-7 | 4 hours ago

That’s not how I’m saying it works? I’m saying that’s just the net flows of assets in and assets out, irrespective of time.

ArtichokeNew9576

4 | 4 hours ago

Trading KAT was a money move, not a basketball move. KAT also won 2 playoff series in his entire time with the wolves and they have won 3 series since trading him, they are doing fine even though their management is cheap

refugee_man

3 | 3 hours ago

The Gobert trade is really what fucked them alongside the CBA changes.

dautjazz | Jazz

3 | 2 hours ago

Damn can’t believe the Jazz got Walker Kessler, Keyonte George (2023 FRP), and will have the 2027 and 2029 FRPs. With Gobert turning 34 in three days, that 2029 pick could end up becoming pretty valuable, especially if Edwards demands a trade.

Anora6666 | Jazz

1 | an hour ago

This was always going to happen.

Saucy_Totchie | Knicks

3 | 2 hours ago

Yeah I’d be upset too if I were Ant.

PretentiousPanda | Bucks

2 | 5 hours ago

Wolves want a lightly used Tyler Herro?

FishGoldenLite | Timberwolves

4 | 5 hours ago

Actually, yes. Too bad we have nothing to give you for him.

incredibleamadeuscho | Lakers

2 | 4 hours ago

Bob Dillingham

Cant even get his name right

TheReal_Slim-Shady | NBA

2 | 3 hours ago

Latter 2 FRPs are unknown. First FRP was Rob Dillingham, well he was flipped to Ayo Dosunmu. Wolves got a stable microwave scorer in exchange of an unstable guard.

If Beringer contributes, well that trade is Towns and 3 unknowns for 3 known talent. Not bad imo. That’s how you swing trades

Bojack-Jesus-69 | Spurs

2 | an hour ago

The Rudy Gobert trade is interesting, for Gobert has lived up to the DPOY expectations.

- Vanderbilt has been dealing with injuries and is no longer the defensive force he used to be. He’s unplayable.
- Beverly and Beasley are journeymen
- Kessler is a poor man’s Rudy Gobert and plays like Jakob Poeltl in some stretches. A solid starter.
- The Jazz traded away 2025 FRP Walter Clayton Jr in a package for Jaren Jackson Jr
- The 2023 FRP ended up being Keyonte George, who would have been perfect for the Wolves.

So the Jazz gave up Gobert for Kessler, George, 2027 FRP, 2029 FRP, and Jaren Jackson Jr

So if the Wolves never traded for Gobert, they could have had at least Kessler, George in the starting lineup, and their 2027 FRP and 2029 FRP.

Kessler and George would have helped fill the Wolves’ needs at PG while sacrificing some defense at center.

birdseye-maple | Warriors

1 | 19 minutes ago

Oof, when you put it that way that’s rough. I’d rather have kept KAT and had some portion of what the Jazz got.

ronmexico_ | Timberwolves

2 | 41 minutes ago

Bob Dillingham absolutely kills me lol

mkogav

1 | 5 hours ago

It’s not nearly as bad, if you take the Dillingham deal out… which was horrendous. That 2031 first is killer.

Moving Randle/elevating Naz is a big VOC for Beringer.

Mk

Wavepops

1 | 5 hours ago

i dont feel like randle was a negative contract, i get he struggles against the top level comp of the west but damn

SenorSolAdmirador | Timberwolves

1 | 4 hours ago

He wasn’t, but bringing back Dosunmu and keeping Randle wasn’t financially feasible, so they chose Dosunmu.

pichukirby | Knicks

1 | 4 hours ago

So another KAT situation

191919wines

1 | 5 hours ago

So this is considered good? Or bad?

oryxherds | Knicks

1 | 4 hours ago

I learned today that they have the same owner at the Browns, and it has really contextualized all their FO moves

DarthGringotts

3 | 4 hours ago

That’s the bucks, knicktard

oryxherds | Knicks

1 | 4 hours ago

whoops, championship glow is still blinding me

Thehelloman0 | Spurs

1 | 4 hours ago

They gave up a 2030 swap as well

OldRancidSoups | Knicks

1 | 4 hours ago

They were moving off KAT’s contract so they can give that money to Ja.

larrylegend33goat | Timberwolves

1 | 4 hours ago

Can’t post this without mentioning the second apron. Not trading KAT results in being above the second apron and potentially hitting that third year above major penalty which is crippling.

Rudy was traded for before the second apron. Came in the season after.

Hindsight is always easy.

Also it wasn’t an overpay. Picks in the low 20s and players that aren’t doing much for guaranteed playoffs every season for a young core.

Compare Ant’s early playoff experience and winning culture environment compared to say LaMelo over at Charlotte

onefootback | Raptors

1 | 4 hours ago

but they stayed out of the second apron! all is well in minnesota

chunky_monkey9 | Lakers Bandwagon

1 | 3 hours ago

Better to swing and go for it than be bad for 30 years

ajonstage | Knicks

1 | 3 hours ago

They ultimately chose Rudy over KAT, and they chose wrong.

wolfpax97

1 | 3 hours ago

Barf, cry, hide

TowerOfPowerWow

1 | 2 hours ago

I dont know who any of them are.

Committee2000 | United States

1 | 2 hours ago

Joan? LMAO

trav-senpai | Kings

1 | 2 hours ago

Trading for a player like Randle isn’t a serious move for any contender. Trust me, it sounds like something the Kings would do if they could.

Fit-Strawberry459

1 | 2 hours ago

Beringer looks like he will be a pretty good at least

Bojack-Jesus-69 | Spurs

1 | an hour ago

I will never understand why Minnesota badly wanted microwave scorer Rob Dillingham, but I’ll take it lol

HarryPauler | Timberwolves

1 | 33 minutes ago

This is why context matters

Daventherock | Timberwolves

1 | 22 minutes ago

Yeah the Rudy trade was probably worth it but it vastly reduced our margin for error, then the KAT and Dillingham trades along with no major hits in the draft in the last 5 years have left things looking somewhat dire

duce3612 | Timberwolves

1 | 16 minutes ago

Oh sorry i forgot we should enjoy winning 25 games a year maybe

Asleep_Ground1710 | Bulls

1 | 5 hours ago

The Dillingham trade was really bad, Gobert a overpay. KAT is how much you value Naz Reid and Beringer

Viketorious | Timberwolves

13 | 5 hours ago

Gobert definitely ended up not being an overpay.

EsotericPotato [OP] | Timberwolves

7 | 4 hours ago

If anything, the Gobert trade was the only move that I think was unambiguously the right move. It did make navigating the late 2020s more challenging, but it also established an extremely high floor for the team, which had paid dividends for developing Ant and the young guys.

The Dillingham draft/trade, taken in the context of an already asset-light environment post Gobert trade, was really the nail in the coffin and will age as the much worse trade, IMO.

larrylegend33goat | Timberwolves

0 | 4 hours ago

If you look at actual on off numbers and defensive stats (and ignore the media voting) Rudy had a top three DPOY season and is in exceptional fitness and health. Navigation of the next three years is fine from a Rudy perspective. They also drafted two prospective Centres. They missed on Dillingham in hindsight but Rudy was a great pick up.

birdseye-maple | Warriors

1 | 17 minutes ago

But struggles against Wemby, so you have to cap the value on him last year. You pay big bucks for a C like Rudy to limit Wemby, not to have to limit Gobert’s minutes.

CumAssault | SAS

1 | 5 hours ago

Disagree, the acquiring Dillingham trade was genius. Ignore my flair

FishGoldenLite | Timberwolves

8 | 5 hours ago

I take a tiny bit of comfort in knowing the Spurs used that pick to overpay Fox 😅

eagleeye1031

2 | 5 hours ago

Kat played like a bum with the wolves and everyone agreed it was a win-win trade at the time.

You cant control players getting injured/losing form. It could have easily swung the other way

EsotericPotato [OP] | Timberwolves

6 | 5 hours ago

KAT did not play like a bum; in their 2024 run he played a very similar role as to what he’s done on the Knicks, to great effect. KAT was a 2nd apron casualty, and always was. They didn’t want to trade him; it was done out of cap flexibility needs.

scofieldslays | Timberwolves

3 | 4 hours ago

No. He was fucking awful in the WCF that year. shot less than 40% from the field. KAT wasn’t even this player for the Knicks earlier this year!

nosleeptillwooklyn

2 | 5 hours ago

He played like a bum with the Wolves who went to the WCF?

ziggyzigg95 | Spurs

3 | 4 hours ago

I didn’t. I was always high on KAT. I was hoping we’d trade for him last summer to facilitate a Giannis to Knicks trade.

SurlyWet

1 | 2 hours ago

KAT is a bit of a unicorn in his talent and skillset and I always thought it a huge shame to lose that. The trade was business, I understood that.

tugga51 | Trail Blazers

0 | 4 hours ago

Joan “Cusack” Beringer?

LordJxnkulous | Warriors

0 | 4 hours ago

Connelly is an overrated GM

GuyWithNoSwagger | Bulls

0 | 4 hours ago

Ant is going to end up a Hawk in a couple years

WarPath_316

0 | 4 hours ago

Eh, they also got two years of Randle as well. Randle’s flaws as a player are well-known, but he was a functional part of the WCF team a couple of years ago. Randle’s playoff struggles are emphasized but he has definitely provided some utility in staying competitive in the long grind of the regular season.

Revan_84

0 | 3 hours ago

Past five years the Wolves and Kings have reminded everyone of exactly why they have the history that they do

Dukester10071 | Nets

0 | 3 hours ago

You’re straight up missing Nic Claxton in the return for the trade. He’s a great player

Followthehype10

3 | 3 hours ago

Clayton is going to the bulls not the wolves

Dukester10071 | Nets

2 | 3 hours ago

Lol news to my dumbass. You are right

ColtCallahan

0 | an hour ago

Tim Connelly has done an absolutely terrible job.

KarAccidentTowns | Timberwolves

-1 | an hour ago

Keeping KAT was not leading to a championship for the Wolves. Give credit to the Knicks for putting together a great roster and unlocking KAT via great coaching to go all the way.

Andy_Wiggins | Timberwolves

0 | 39 minutes ago

This is wrong, OP.

Why are you trying to shit on the team with just factually incorrect information?

Also, why are you ignoring the WCF and WCSF run that happened before shipping off Randle. Or the ability to keep Naz under contract because they shed KAT’s salary?

JDStraightShot2 | Knicks

-1 | 5 hours ago

Minnesota pretty transparently just wants to duck the tax. Ayo + MLE more or less equals what Randle made and keeps the payroll steady. They’re gonna say that they care about access to the NTMLE, but that seems silly when that guy will almost def be worse than Randle or whoever you’d be able to get in a more normal Randle trade

FishGoldenLite | Timberwolves

1 | 5 hours ago

It’s not instilling a ton of confidence in our new owners. Sure feels like cost cutting measures, which was mostly our gripe with Glen Taylor.

JDStraightShot2 | Knicks

1 | 4 hours ago

I understand wanting to trade Randle. I don’t understand trading Randle for nothing. You guys essentially punted on the ability to get a \(30+ million player so that you could use the MLE on a \)15 mil one. I’d much rather have Randle (or Dejounte Murray, Ja, AD or whatever allstar reclamation project is available) than the Deandre Ayton or Mamu level guys who are available for the mle

FishGoldenLite | Timberwolves

1 | 4 hours ago

Exactly. Makes no sense to get this trade exception if strategically it makes no sense to actually use it.

I’m holding onto hope the trade isn’t finalized yet - I believe they have time to adjust the details and potentially pull in other teams. No idea though.

ziggyzigg95 | Spurs

1 | 4 hours ago

They also have a massive trade exception

JDStraightShot2 | Knicks

2 | 4 hours ago

Which their best reporters are saying they don’t expect them to use. If they wanted a player, they would’ve traded Randle for them directly bc Randle is much more useful as a contract than as a TE bc TEs can’t be aggregated with other players and can only be used to absorb one guy

ziggyzigg95 | Spurs

1 | 4 hours ago

Ah damn - Minnesota is one of my favorite teams so this really sucks.

Neat_Conference_8414

1 | 4 hours ago

Yeah idk why anyone is acting like the Kat trade was anything but that. I thought it was pretty obvious at the time that it was them not wanting to pay. No team is ever pleased with randle and he never lasts anywhere.

WishIndependent696 | Knicks

-1 | 3 hours ago

At least they beat the nuggets in the playoffs twice!

CumAssault | SAS

-3 | 5 hours ago

Timberwolves feel like they do trades just to do something and be active

Asleep_Ground1710 | Bulls

0 | 5 hours ago

It feels like Connelly is really conserative till he just makes some wild swing for the fence move.

If they falter again this upcoming season, I’d expect everyone not named Ant to be looked at for trades

Neat_Conference_8414

-1 | 4 hours ago

Connelly is an overrated gm. He got lucky asf with Jokic. And then went to a young good team with Edwards. He gave up the house for rudy and wolve fans are gonna swear with insane levels of copium that was a good trade. But NY just won a ring with kat as their 5….. And wolve fans thought it wasn’t possible. The best trade he has made is getting AG for denver which promptly pushed them over the hump. But that’s really about it in terms of major moves working.

Libertines18

-9 | 5 hours ago

Wolves are lowkey one of the worst run organizations in basketball. Fumbled KG and now fumbling Ant

holyhibachi

14 | 5 hours ago

Such a stupid take lol.

Not winning titles isn’t “wasting” someone’s career, guys. The wolves have won playoff series 3 years in a row. They are competitive.

Neat_Conference_8414

0 | 4 hours ago

They definitely are lmao. They fumbled KG. They’ve also had three first-pick overalls in the last 11 years and two of them have rings and the one that doesn’t is still on the Wolves.

holyhibachi

1 | 4 hours ago

You just don’t know what fumbling a star looks like

Common-Bad-7899 | Timberwolves

11 | 5 hours ago

Fumbling the the 24 year old with two deep playoff run and more playoff success than his counter parts in the 2019-2022 drafts

Vicentesteb | Timberwolves

2 | 5 hours ago

Where do we go from here though?

Wolves have 1 first in 2033 to trade, have 0 cap space and wont have any for a while and while talented are just less talented than the top teams in the league.

Are we expecting Ant to take a crazy leap again to keep bailing us out of our bad decisions?

ziggyzigg95 | Spurs

2 | 4 hours ago

You have Randle trade exception- the problem is that you don’t have what to trade with it for value. Best move is to absorb someone with low value today that has a high contract that you can either rehab and trade or just rehab. Someone like AD, Fox, etc.

Glumpatds22 | Knicks

-3 | 5 hours ago

Hard cope. They sent kat away for pennies on the dollar (ty) then traded the largest asset from that trade for even less. Oh and they traded kat bc they traded for Rudy gobert and got fleeced out of several picks by Utah. The only saving grace is drafting ant. This is quite literally fumbling a franchise player

Edit: lol https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/UcfJMJYJ13

Typical-Radish4317 | Supersonics

3 | 5 hours ago

That’s like 20 year difference. Can’t really lump the two together

Akkepake | Trail Blazers

3 | 5 hours ago

Hornets, Blazers, Pelicans exist

Sumo_Cerebro

1 | 5 hours ago

You forgot prime Kevin Love too.

Vicentesteb | Timberwolves

6 | 5 hours ago

Kevin Love is not built like that.

Sumo_Cerebro

1 | 4 hours ago

He was All-NBA with the Wolves.

That’s where he had his best years.

Glumpatds22 | Knicks

-1 | 5 hours ago

But Wiggins was right?

Vicentesteb | Timberwolves

2 | 4 hours ago

No

The Timberwolves have turned Karl-Anthony Towns, their 2024 first round pick, 2026 first round pick, and 2031 first round pick into Donte DiVincenzo, Ayo Dosunmo, and Joan Beringer.