Miami’s presumed new-look roster going into free agency
PG: Davion Mitchell, Dru Smith
SG: Powell (unrestricted free agent), Pelle Larsson
SF: Wiggins (player option), Fonetecchio (UFA)
PF: Giannis, Nikola Jovic
C: Bam, Portis
I’ll say it… this is a horrific trade for Miami long term
That core of young players they traded away were never going to amount to a contender. Might as well roll the dice and get a top 5 player on your team and combine him with a top 5 defender
>top 5 defender
Not to mention the second best player of all time
You mean best we have footage of?
Youre right, Wilt is a lying fraud
There weren’t 20 thousands women, Wilt just jerked off 20Ks in a row.
GOAT
Id rather have giannis than miamis package, the issue is miami is now stuck with this team and its much harder to get better in this new CBA
Spo took Jimmy and his g league friends to a finals. He can definitely cook more chicken salad with Giannis and 83
Yeah, I mean, we’ve seen Miami pluck solid role players out of thin air before. Doesn’t seem that crazy to just get a top 5 player in the building and hope you can do it again. Versus just sitting on a mid roster and hoping you can luck into a superstar in the draft without giving up anything
Miami is probably the top free agent destination for most players. They will be ok.
We still have room to make moves lol
The young players are all fine to go but stacking the picks on top is rough. This is an all in move and their hand looks pretty mid. Especially if Norm takes off as a FA.
Norm and wiggins are gonna bleed them dry so hard
They cant afford to lose either and one is a UFA and the other has a player option lmao.
I mean…u don’t make a trade for a 31 year old MVP for the future lmao. Wtf
If I’ve learned one thing about watching online discourse over the last few summers, people will hate on anything the Heat do. If Giannis went to Boston people would be having a hate parade on the Heat for not closing the deal. Instead Giannis went to the Heat so now it’s a hate parade on them for making the deal.
I guess time will tell, seems to me them missing out on Dame because they refused to go all in was the right call. Now they did go all in.
People usually really hate on win now moves and overrate future picks and role players. History usually shows that whoever gets the best player in a trade is the “winner” of the trade, even with how much the team gives up.
Trae and AD to the Wiz seems like a wash for Wiz and Hawks, but Wiz might be cooking something
Luka to the Lakers is a bit of a tossup just because of the Flagg miracle, but I’d still give it to the Lakers
Durant to the Rockets looked great at first but the season is a dump while the Suns look promising. I still believe if Van Vleet comes back they’ll make some noise though.
Jimmy to GS, fun to watch but didn’t really move the needle.
Mikal to Knicks definitely looks great in hindsight but nobody thought he was worth the trade at the time. A championship is a win still.
Lillard to Bucks, honestly the injuries to both Giannis and him sucked. But it’s a total loss for the Bucks I’d say.
KD to Suns, hard to not say it’s a loss for the Suns. He was great individually for them and even upgraded his defense, but Beal really was washed when he arrived there. Probably one of the biggest disappointment of a tenure this decade. Loss(?), maybe Suns fans will disagree?
Gobert to the Wolves. Hasn’t translated in a Finals berth yet, but Wolves defense with him on the court is probably the single highest on/off D rating during his tenure there? Maybe Wemby last year was higher, not sure. Still gets eaten by some matchups though so hard to say it’s a definite win, but I’d say a narrow win for them.
Harden to the 6ers and Harden to the Nets, I’d say both are wins even without playoff success no? Probably the most exciting both teams have been this decade (unlocked Embiid MVP even). One Durant toe on the way to Finals? I’d give a win for both Nets and 6ers no?
Chris Paul to Suns is definitely a win for me.
AD to Lakers is also a win with the championship. Sucks that he always is hurt though, Lakers could’ve been another contending year 2021.
PG13 to Clippers, honestly I remember more Kawhi moments with them than PG13. Infamous for starting the OKC upswing, so a loss for me.
Kawhi to Raptors, probably best star trade so far in this recounting?
Kyrie to Celtics, loss personally because of him stepping on Lucky.
KG and Pierce to Nets, loss of course
Harden to Rockets is a massive win even with the struggles against GS.
Melo to Knicks is a big disappointment.
2010s and 2020s (minus the Trae and AD, still waiting for jury) has a 9-8 win for the star if I’m correctly counting, so actually a bit tighter in this era. Maybe the adage is more for the previous eras.
Pau to Lakers and KG and Ray to Celtics are definite wins. 3-0
Shaq to Miami, 4-0
Sheed to Detroit (though I forgot if he’s considered a star), 5-0
Pippen to Rockets (forgot this happened before he went to the Jailblazers), 5-1 because his stint there was really forgettable. Maybe the Pippen to Blazers is a win?
Sprewell to Knicks. I think he choked a coach in New York right? Hard to say that’s a win, 5-2
Mitch Richmond to Kings is a fun career, albeit spent on the Kings. Kings still won the otherwise futile trade though when GS got Billy Owens instead 6-3
Barkley to Suns definitely a win. Any team they would’ve won, unlucky they had to face Jordan/Pippen Bulls. 7-3
Mourning to Heat, definitely a forgotten legend and a fun player to use in NBA Live back in the day. 8-3
Parish and Mchale to Celtics, 10-3
Moses Malone to 6ers definitely a win. Imagine getting the reigning MVP. 11-3
I probably forgot some star trades along the way, I just googled big star trades up to 1980 and these are what appeared. Past 16 years definitely a massive shift though, getting the best player in a trade is no longer a guaranteed trade win.
Edit: Biggest miss is probably trading for Kevin Love by the Cavs, and that is a massive win too I’d say. 1960s and 1970s also wins from what I can see. Wilt to 6ers and Wilt to Lakers, Oscar Robertson to the Bucks, and Kareem to Lakers to name a few.
Yeah usually it’s hard to trade enough for this good of a player but still have a team leftover, but this Miami roster seems dope. Defense looks like it’s going to be insane
Vs what? Being stuck as the 7th seed?
Now they get to be the seventh seed with no future. Beautiful really.
They’re not going to be the 7th seed. You really underrate defense if you think they will. Their frontcourt will be Wiggins/Gianni’s/Bam. Any two g league players at guard and it’s still a top 5 defense.
With the new lottery odds, always being in what used to be no-mans land might actually be a winning strategy.
I’d argue acquiring a top 10 player, is the more sound winning strategy.
Yes I know they have Giannis, but think about the picks! One of them could even turn out to be a player like Giannis!
So it’s either Giannis gets us over the hump or we still end up in no man’s land where we’ve been for like four years… and still have the same odds as the team that had no motion. I’d rather swing with Giannis if that’s the case.
yes, now they’ll be the 5th seed
Idk. If they can get a low level star at guard, the team can cook in the East.
It really is
The Pat Riley is old gambit.
Im pretty sure Giannis needs a center who can shoot 3s for spacing, is Bam it? I know he dropped 83, but he’s still not considered that lethal from 3.
He’s not a sharpshooter but he shouldn’t be left wide open, he can hit them
Norman Powell and Davion Mitchell are great 3 point shooters as well. It’s not as bad as people think it is. The worst part is losing Kas.
Davion Mitchell is a great shooter lol?
Shot 40% two years in a row. That sounds like a great shooter to me.
I don’t even realize why people think it’s horrible in the first place to be honest. It’s not a perfect squad by any means but it’s Giannis and Bam and Norm. No Kas is gonna be tough though, Giannis is gonna have his hands full.
What’s their over/under on Wins this upcoming season? I’m guessing they’ll be a 2nd round exit
Are we sure they’d beat one of NY, Detroit, Boston, Philly, or Cleveland who they’d have to play in round 1 lol
If its Round 2, they beat Philly.
I think they have a legit shot vs most of those teams is they’re fully healthy
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I don’t really see it as a fleece because I honestly think this trade will not amount to much long-term. Giannis won’t be enough to put this Miami team over the other top east teams, and the Bucks get a bunch of good-not-great lotto tickets but no blue chip prospect, someone that could be 1A.
Even if Miami is mid w Giannis the lotto reform actually still helps them out. There could be a time where the Miami picks jump in the lotto
That young core that took Miami all the way to the play-in
I genuinely don’t understand wtf Miami are doing. They just gutted their roster and future for him. Are Bam and Giannis even going to be great together? because it feels like they have some redundancies. This doesn’t even feel like it moves them much, short term either.
This feels like another Melo to NY situation to me
Heat gutted their roster for shaq too. I think they’ll be alright. Spo always finds the unheralded dudes.
I mean, the Heat still had their top 5 draft pick rookie that became a top 10, fringe MVP candidate player in Shaq’s first season. That makes it seem different than this situation. Especially when he ended up being better than Shaq after the trade.
Especially once Giannis inevitably gets hurt
I feel crazy that people keep forgetting Giannis is 31 already
You’re acting like 31 is 40 lol. If Giannis has 4 years left of great play then it’s worth it.
It’s more they don’t have enough players to go with that four years of great play lol
You got a player that can drop 83 points a night and pairing him with Giannis, the long terms doesn’t matter
Off season just started, I think they’ll fill out the roster
They’ll be fine if they get a bunch of G-Leaguers that can shoot 3s
Feels like they’ve assembled a moderately better version of last years bucks at this point, it’ll be interesting to see how they navigate having no depth or assets
IDK, BAM is way better than Turner, Wiggins and Norm are better than any Bucks player and Davion is really solid for a PG. The bench is alright so it seems like this team could be good.
Decent comparison, Dame over Powell for sure but not by a huge margin and Bam shits all over old Brook Lopez. Way better coach too. They’ll be pretty good
lol Bam is a massive upgrade from turner
Davion mitchell is one of the best point of attack defenders and a great spacer at this point. perfect fit. So while rollins was solid he was still a rookie
then they had kevin porter and kuzma
vs Powell and all star and Wiggins. All guys who are more committed on defense
its easily a more win ready team
And Glenn vs Spo.
Huh? Why? They trade away the young Thunder core or something? I don’t understand people who are down on this. Miami will never get a top pick unless they luck into it through an unprotected pick. This is because they are so good at player development and coaching that they are usually hovering around play in or just above play in level.
Deal makes all the sense for Miami. The Bucks will probably be in the doldrums again for another fifty years like they were pre Giannis. Miami will always land on their feet as long as they have either Spo or Riley.
They have zero depth holy shit.
No they don’t, they’re the Heat a couple randoms will emerge as viable role players
By gawd, that’s Alexis Ajinca’s music!
Spo always finds some diamonds in the rough
Why is no one mentioning the antetekoumpo brothers? Thats plenty depth
Let’s hope so
You say this like some fucker they found in a Jimmy Butler jersey outside of the Kaseya Center won’t be in their starting lineup in 5 months
Lakers East
Lakers got decent pieces as bench. The heat has zombies
Hey now the zombie heat made the finals
They have Nikola Jokic at home!
Bruh who is gonna shoot threes lol
Also who’s gonna pass
Point Giannis is good but not something I want to be doing all season long and in the playoffs
Bam and Giannis are great passers for their position. Davion also had 6.5 apg on a 4.2 AST:TO ratio. We’ll need more but shooting is a much bigger issue as of now.
They need their draft pick from last year to play now and play well they traded Jaku. They need another point guard bad. More importantly they need shooting at the 1–3 spots if they want to run a functional offense
Kas is gone:(
Im so sad
what? Bam is one of the best playmaking bigs in the league
Both Davion and Giannis are great playmakers.
Why do you think their starting PG won’t be a ball handler?
Powell (if he stays) and Wiggins I guess
relying on wiggins in 2026 is definitely a move
Dumping Randle and moving down in the draft is also definitely a move 🤔
Yeah but AD and MAX + FRP pick for Luka is generational
the heat will find someone. this is how I know you guys don’t have ball knowledge
The way people are talking about the heat on here reminds me how people used to talk about Kerr and the warriors 2019- 2022. Oh they’ll hit the picks oh they’ll find someone undervalued oh they’ll fill out the roster
Just cuz you found enough gems in the scrap heap players to fill out a roster one year does NOT guarantee you’ll do it again. Yes I would bet on the Heat being more likely than the bucks to do it. But it’s still not really LIKELY overall
You mean the same period where the warriors won 1 championship? Yes that’s what what the Heat want
Davion Mitchell shot 39% last year and 41% the year before. Andrew Wiggins shot 41% last year. If Norm comes back, that’s 3 legit shooters on the starting lineup. They’ll be fine lol
Mitchell’s shooting was on average 3.1-3.3 attempts per game, that’s not volume.
When you have a high usage player like Giannis is not volume shooters what you need
Never said he was a volume shooter. Just saying that he is a legit shooter
This is the Heat we’re talking about btw
exactly, this is their bread and butter
Spo
LeBron to south beach 👀👀
I thought the same thing after looking at this roster and realizing he would fit in pretty well and the Heat can afford to give him a decent contract.
If they brought him in, that means no Powell
Oh they’re going to be straddling that second apron if not going into it with those 2 big expirings they have.
If Pat Riley’s ego didn’t burn that bridge it could have happened
the man literally said there is a key under the mat for him.
The key to LeBron’s cookies
Fox you are a Heat
Only way he’ll stop going cold
Who would you have going out in that trade? 😂 Wiggins and Portis?
basically yeah if Wiggins opt in. Spurs gets rid of Fox contract for 2 expiring contracts, Heat goes desperate win now. But all sources seem to point towards Spurs wanting Fox to stay.
But why would Heat want Fox on that contract instead of 2 expirings? Miami has historically been great at getting free agents to sign and that would basically be impossible with Giannis, Bam, and Fox contracts.
*IF* they’re super desperate to win now. Just outlining a path for Heat to get Fox, not saying they are likely to.
That would make me happy
lol
Isn’t Powell unrestricted?
You’re right let me update that
there gonna be moving forsure in free agency
This team needs passing badly. Spacing is suspect as hell too. Sick defense though
they need dpeth which i can trust miami to do
but isnt davion a solid playmaking guard ?
Davion is… fine, I guess? He’s not the kind of player you want to rely on as your main ball-handler for a full season, though.
that part i agree but its a issue i assume they will figure out eventually since davion is cheap
He is solid (and a good defender) but I don’t know how comfortable you feel with him being your PG in the playoffs. I guess that’s when you count on Giannis to go hero mode
Nah Baylor legend Davion Mitchell carrying this team straight to the Larry O’Brien in 2027
I… really don’t know if this is a good deal for Miami. I don’t think this team is a title contender as is.
As is, no. But it wasn’t a good roster before the trade either.
They got the hardest part figured out, get one of the best players on the planet. And with Miami’s track record of finding guys, you have to do this trade imo.
If Miami has one massive advantage in todays nba with the cap structure, it’s developing solid role players on minimum contracts.
I mean, you can remove the ambiguity. It’s just not.
When it comes to the Heat and Spoelstra, I’ll personally avoid speaking in absolutes. I remember when everyone was wondering why no moves were made during a specific offseason and then they made it to the finals.
Just sign a couple undrafted players, and they are good to go. Spo will turn them into valuable role players like Caleb Martin and Gabe Vincent
‘valuable role players’ That’s second in Eastern Conference Finals MVP voting Caleb Martin you’re talking about.
Good thing this isn’t the roster going into the season, It was already reported they had moves lined up if they got Giannis. They have a decent trade exception + full MLE
Exactly. But yk nobody here bothers to actually look into anything that goes against their narrative.
Herro/Jaquez/Jaku aren’t needle movers for them anyways. Ware is the one guy who could break out but then he’s been in Spo’s doghouse.
He’s in spos doghouse because he can’t stay motivated enough to play well
It’s not
This team looks a lot like the Milwaukee Bucks plus Bam Adebayo, right?
Basically Turner becomes Bam.
This is Norm disrespect
83 points a night and they will be fine
Is this not just another giannis carry the team situation?
Bam is better than turner and norm is better than kuzma but overall it just feels like a redux of this years bucks
In a vacuum I agree bam is better than turner. But next to giannis at least turner can stretch the floor with shooter. Bam and giannis offensively just don’t seem like a good fit cuz they are so similar. Defensively they should be solid though
they;ve got two 20 point scorers, a wild card in wiggins, and a great glue guy in mitchell
They all play committed defense in the heat. its a much more cohesive unit
there is some heavy lifting involved but also a more stable franchise. Same owners, same FO, same coach, even the GM started as an intern in the 90s. All of those things have changed a few times in Milwaukee during his time there.
Pelle Larson breakout year incoming
Yup. To me last year was a break out for him but man he’ll look really fucking good on with Bam and Giannis. I wonder if mke tried to pull him from the Heat in the trade.
Out of all the players that Giannis would make a dominant duo with, Bam is pretty far down the list.
Why wouldn’t be pair well with the second greatest scorer of all time?
We say that now, but what if they’re impossible to score against?
Giannis complain about playing with mid to playing with mid in Miami
Midami
they’ll find some role players out of thin air its fine
They will find some random 6’0-6’3 guards who no one knows about and turn them into elite 3 n D players then trade them to the Lakers
Recipe to guard miami: pack the shit out of the paint and watch as they brick threes the whole game
Good luck fouling out. Bam and Giannis will body your boys up in the paint.
Man.. I’m extremely skeptical you can build a contender like this in the current NBA
Don’t worry guys, the bench will look much better after they trade for giannis brothers 💪
This team wins 38 games
Nah they’ll win 48 and lose in the first or 2nd round.
This team isn’t winning a goddamn thing
With no draft picks for the future too 💀 This team isn’t winning a chip and it’s going to be a loooong time before the Heat can build a team better than this one.
As if Spo hasn’t built a contending bench out of scraps before… not worried at all
Miami is a system franchise, they’ll fill in the gaps with fringe players. Getting Giannis as a star anchor is huge for them. I think they’ll win a chip within 5 years.
They need to win in the next 2-3 yrs. Giannis is an injury risk.
This team is not winning anything.
If they can’t secure anymore serious talent in FA this was a worthless trade to keep them mid
Yeah I don’t get it. Might as well have traded Herro for picks to someone and actually tanked.
I can’t possibly see how they build a championship roster around Giannis with no picks.
Boston, Knicks, Pistons, Hornets are all young teams, it’s not like there is some massive window opened in the east right now
Just a solid remind that Luka was traded for less
Powell yelled out: “We got an [expletive] squad now”
I hate this trade for Miami. A lot. Holy shit. The fit is terrible. They have no assets.
Bucks fleeced them for a player that was gone anyways
Giannis and Bam will lead this team to something like 43 wins and be the 7 seed through the playin to lose in 5 to the Knicks or pacers
Edrice Bamonte about to score 83 every game and lead the Heat to 83 wins. Giannis is going to coast until the playoffs.
nah he’ll score 82 to respect Edrice
This team sucks. Bam and Gianni’s do not complement each other at all
they’ll be a monster defensive front court
Wym why not just have them combine to score 150 every game?
I don’t think this team is much better than the bucks last year
That’s not a good roster lol. Giannis blew up his relationship on the pretense of winning just to go to Miami n chill?
Love this take. It’s the same dumbass take that was floating around with Butler.
To be fair, it was the exact opinion I had with the Butler move, so perhaps it’s a good sign for you!
The Reddit threads after the Butler trade were all mocking him for going to the Heat to be a lottery team and hang out on the beach. Of course, the price to get Butler was a lot lower than this deal.
Is Bam really gonna play center with Giannis giant self out there? Like at least Brook and Myles are the same size as him or bigger. So him at the 4 wasn’t weird
Does it matter? Just have them run twin towers, you got 2x mvp and 83pt Bam, they will figure it out.
Bam is used to playing center with guys like Jae Crowder, PJ Tucker, Wiggins, Haywood Highsmith etc. at PF next to him. This is going to be easy mode for him in that respect
We gotta have newer references than this.
I fairness when Miami acquired the Big 3 they had no one on their roster and everyone said they can’t even fill a starting line up. This isn’t apples to apples but I have faith in Riley and Spo.
I really don’t see how this makes Miami a title contender. This feels like such a bad trade from them.
Offense might average 90 ppg
This is nonsensical.
45 wins. second round exit.
Gonna be horrendous spacing
Man, they got Giannis and still didn’t get that much better. Giannis also not in a better situation basketball wise, just location wise being in Miami
Powell, to me, just gained a ton of leverage in negotiations. Miami’s back-court is brutal without him.
Terrible lol.
One Giannis season ending injury and their franchise will be on the dumps for the next decade
oof madone that lineup looks terrible
All time play-in team.
Wow that looks terrible
One thing our front office is good at is finding depth and role players, LETS GO!
Lmao what’s the difference between with bucks roster
Can’t wait for Giannis to get disgruntled with his new team but maybe the scenery will keep him happy
I’m not even sure if they’re a top 6 seed with this roster lol
Giannis just ready for nice weather.
Giannis practically just went to Bucks south, why’d he want to resign here unless they land some other good pieces.
On God I think Zach Lavine would be crazy on this team
That’s certainly a roster