No… 2nd apron was just recently implemented. Man.. when we finally win a title, that 2nd apron had to be there… arghhh

Last 11 years, warriors won 4 championships while no other team won more than once. Def checks out.

Not really. When the new CBA restrictions kicked in, it was summer of 2023. By then, we’d already had 5 different champions in 4 years.

Since then, we’ve had 2 champions bring back essentially their whole roster (Boston and OKC), and fail to repeat. So the new CBA isn’t what stopped them from repeating. If anything, injury has been a larger factor in teams failing to win again.

Isn’t this a newer issue?

coming from a European soccer fan, NBA roster math is too rocket science for me but I like it. It seems really hard to build a dynasty there

All I need is one year and I can die happy.

No, sorry, your team must be gutted now, the 2nd apron gods demand it 

Why enjoy your first championship in 53 years bringing more excitement to the city than we’ve seen in decades when you can simply doom and gloom about the future, doesn’t that sound more fun?

Nope they’ll either need to sign new deals or not be invited to the parade

Sorry, they had to cancel their RSVP to the parade. The White House beckons.

I havent read anywhere that the Knicks wont go into the second apron and I think they always planned on it once the core had proved it can win (which it obviously did).

They have Mitchs bird rights so they can match any contract he gets. Whether they will or not I imagine depends on the price. They have Shamets early bird rights (similar to ihart), but the difference is that I doubt any team is going to give Shamet a contract like iHarts, so its likely they’ll be able to match the offer. Alvardo can opt in and be extended. I honestly dont think hes worth much more in the open market.

The person who im most worried about losing is Diawara. They dont have an ability to match if another team gives him a big contract.

It’s so Dolan for him to say this before the parade. And not even talk about roster flexibility or draft pick penalties. He just can’t afford it.

The Knicks fanbase just spent more money by far than any fanbase has ever spent on a playoff run. MSG ticket prices, tickets at away arenas, travel expenses, hotels, immediately sold out merchandise.

Brunson took less.

Maybe get maybe stop giving out free tickets to that asshole who made people show up 2 hours early for the only loss in 6 weeks? Maybe stop giving millionaire celebrities free tickets?

Can we feel joy for literally 1 week? One?

No you have to solve it during the parade, it happens while they’re driving around on the floats

My man, in ‘89 we lost our starting Center to the expansion draft the day of the parade.

Worked out well for this year annd can Use Duece/Kolek more next year. Diawara shows a lot of potential to be a backup wing.

Plan was always them going into the 2nd apron for the next 2 seasons. Dolan saying this is a shock. Literally multiple news articles about knicks retaining both Shamet and Mitch on 2 year deals right before the finals. Everyone expected knicks to be a 2nd apron team. Nearly impossible not to be with their starting 5 and corresponding contracts.

Maybe (hopefully) Dolan is just saying this to use as leverage in contract negotiations and upcoming contract extensions (Kat). I doubt it though. I have a feeling winning it changed his mind and if they lost in the finals he would have been willing to face the penalties.

Lock in a core, churn the back of the roster. That’s been true even before the second apron. The Warriors won in 2015, and only 6 players were the same for their title run 2 years later. 2 years after that, only 7 players were the same for their final title defense. That’s with Steph, Klay, Draymond, Shaun Livingston, and Iguodala spanning the entire era. Basically everybody who wasn’t in that core group turned over twice in a 5 year time frame.

Being in the second apron for one year doesn’t really mean anything, Dolan was probably talking about the repeater penalties. They’ll re-sign Mitch and deal with it all in 2028. 

i wasn’t even into basketball at the time but that shit shook the whole country

From my experience, it lasts about ten years before you’re like damn, got any more of them championships?

I just want one :(, from any of my teams :(

Excuse me, I most certainly care about losing our longest tenured and (personally) most beloved Knick. Just got my dad a Mitch jersey earlier this season. He will be sorely missed

Idk a 1st round exit next year would be brutal.

I wouldn’t be the most sad if they lost in the ECF or even the 2nd round, but to not do anything meaningful in the playoffs would still sting terribly.

That or losing to the Pacers. Please stop losing to the Pacers. Celtics I can live with even if I don’t like it

New York fans are different. There will be fans dooming and talking about blowing it up and rebuilding if they lose game 1 next year.

Kinda reminds me of one-and-done in college… becoming the norm

I hope he gets paid but even the Knicks had room I wouldn’t want to give that to Mitch.

I have an idea

I think Jose would play for an Arizona and bacon egg and cheese.

Ahh didn’t realize those things were already baked in. Thanks for letting me know

Odds that Rose trades out the pick for a future draft?

The cap hit is prob only 3 million or so but every million matters.

Yeah that’s not bad at all

Yeah run it back for a year or 2. Deal with 2028 problems in 2028

Yeah, I mentioned it in another thread, but it makes absolutely no sense for the Knicks to avoid the second apron for roster flexibility reasons. There are no realistic moves they could make with that flexibility that would be better than just signing Robinson, Shamet, and Alvarado. No moves they’ve made in the last year or so (or really since the KAT trade) that would have been prohibited by being over the apron.

It’s the same thing we saw with Denver, who claimed to be avoiding the second apron in the 2024 offseason but were really just being cheap. The theoretical flexibility only helps if you have a way to use it, but most teams who end up in that situation where they’re barely below the second apron don’t get any value out of staying below.

My thoughts exactly!

He was a major force off the bench and an unsung part of why they won 1-2 games in that last series. He held down his minutes when Brunson went down with a brief injury in one of the early games, glad he was able to show his poise that I loved with the Pels.

Sucks to lose him but can’t be mad at him winning a championship with his hometown team

I thought I read that he said it in April but I can’t keep track.

I could see Shamet getting a Bruce Brown-esque contract coming off the playoff run. If he does then good for him. I would hate to see him go but can’t blame him for taking the bag.

Unless it’s a very young roster like OKC or the Spurs who have a little more run way but year it looks teams who didn’t build primarily through the draft or with low cost high production contracts will have small windows to truly contend.

Maybe not repeat but I would not be surprised at all if OKC or Spurs win multiple rings within a 5 year span.