Carmelo Anthony and Jeremy Lin Tell All: ‘Linsanity’ Run, Exit from NY & Decade-Plus Tension
Reposting this as its own comment for visibility:
Melo and Lin spoke for well over an hour privately before this.
They both knew their playstyles didn’t naturally mesh and it was hard to figure out mid-season. Between the coaching staff, the front office, ownership, no one provided leadership for how the team was going to look or play. D’Antoni and his assistants all disagreed over how to approach things. Once Melo, STAT, Chandler, and Lin were all healthy, they sat down together and talked through how to play going forward.
Lin was still green, didn’t really know how to navigate all that, was equally focused on how he could still get cut at any time.
When Melo first came back from injury, he felt a lot of pressure to get healthy fast, fit in because the team is already hooping with Lin, produce at the level people expect from him. Then not long after Lin was injured. He also couldn’t get clarity from the organization whether Jeremy Lin was in the long-term plan or if this was a temporary thing.
After Lin left, he heard the same noise we did from the same sources. Jealousy, locker room issues, etc… He didn’t understand where it was coming from, but in retrospect he thinks that is was more that none of them ever really knew what the others were thinking. Largely because all the major players were injured at different times.
They specifically talked about the Melo “ridiculous contract” thing. Melo clarifies that Houston offered a contract that deserved to be matched by NY, and wasn’t ridiculous. What was ridiculous was that the breakdown of the poison pill was specifically designed to hurt the Knicks from a salary cap standpoint. Knicks would go from paying him like 4M to 15M in the third year. He wanted to know if they could structure it normally, basically pay him the same amount without the sudden jump. He agrees he made a mistake saying it that way.
Lin didn’t get an offer from NY and he was told to go out and get a contract for them to match, he originally told his agent he didn’t want the Houston offer and to make it smaller so NY could easily match, but they didn’t cooperate. Literally while his agent is still meeting with Morey, Lin has no info about the contract, he turns on the TV and a reporter is talking about the exact terms while saying Lin is unhappy and wants more.
Lin is proud that, despite it taking so long for them to have this conversation, neither of them ever went out and talked or aired laundry about it to others.
Melo has an “oh shit” moment from a Lin story about how D’Antoni already had interest in him pre-NBA. He never knew why D’Antoni actually left, and thinks it was because he was being pressured and got sick of the org politics.
Melo asks Lin if there was anything specific Lin would have liked to see from him as a teammate back then. Lin said when he was trying to come back for the playoffs vs Miami, he wasn’t physically ready and wouldn’t have helped the team, but he was trying to play anyway. Melo and some of the other vets pulled him aside, told him that wasn’t the move and were trying to protect him. Lin appreciated the advice, but he kinda got crushed in the media for not playing. He wishes Melo or someone would have said something publicly to take the heat off.
They both wish they’d talked about this sooner, and things were a little awkward when they’d play each other (both thinking “I’ll say what’s up to him if he says it to me”). One time Melo accidentally caught him in the head while going for a swipe block, which turned into a thing where Lin would try to nutmeg him every time in the pick and roll.
Lin had some trauma from how his career started out (before/during/after NY), imposter syndrome, trust issues… He got a lot of closure from working with a sports psychologist, but getting to have this talk brought new closure as well.
thank you obi-wan, jokes aside fr
He was our only hope!
appreciate this
Damn bro, great summary. I feel like I can get at least a B on the test —-if there was a teacher and a class…. And a test.
Great notes
If only there was a Sparknotes for retired NBA player podcasts.
Sounds like they had a real conversation that was genuinely good for both of them. That’s a really pleasant surprise
Yeah I absolutely didn’t see this coming and that’s on me for being cynical
Basically to sum up they had some tension and wished they could have said some unsaid things a little differently but otherwise they had a nice and cordial relationship
Thank you. Are these notes from this episode or from what you’ve gathered in the past?
These are just notes I took as I listened.
Thanks so much, this was a fantastic read.
My man doing free work for the masses
Do you do this for most podcasts you listen too as well? This was very well written
How do you take such good notes? I need to know for academic reasons.
Respect
Once Melo, STAT, Chandler, and Lin were all healthy, they sat down together and talked through how to play going forward.
And then D’Antoni was fired for Mike Woodson.
The corner back from the raiders?
He probably would’ve been a better choice.
? woodson was one of the better coaches over the years
Nah the 90s CB/Safety for the Steelers
Y’know, point 3 is something I hadn’t really realized until now. In retrospect, we all “knew” Lin was going to get signed to at least a good contract and that he belonged in the league but from his perspective, it’s perfectly reasonable to worry that his streak would be viewed as a flash in the pan, especially after he got injured. That’s a lot of job insecurity to have to deal with
Watched it before seeing this summary… this is 100% what the interview is.. summary saves you an hour lol
who needs ai when you have /u/ObiOneKenobae
Isn’t it crazy how not too long ago people were all about watching TV to get their information. Hours and hours of TV. News, sports, etc. But nowadays we’re like nah I’d rather just speed read everything I need to know in five minutes instead of wasting an hour watching it.
you’re a real one, thanks
Any one that understood the insane provision that was that poison pill Morey used, understood what Melo was referring to.
The Knicks could not match that shit.
Imagine if some team offers a 75m 3y deal or 25 anually. But if you matched you paid 12.5m the first 2 years and 50m the last year. This in a context where the cap was flat fore several years, so those 50m wouldn’t go down as a percentage of the cap.
they could and they should. If would have 0 implications on team building, They were already over the cap and had Melo, Stat and Chandler on long contracts. Dolans got upset about the Lin offer by Morey and pullet out like the jackass he is
Knicks fucked up by telling Lin to test the free agent market and not make an offer, knowing that he’s a restricted free agent. I was so pissed at how the Knicks handled things that I abandoned them, and even though I’m glad they’re close to winning the finals, I’m not going back until James Dolan doesn’t own the team.
Thanks
Did they mention how the conversation in 2. Went? I wonder what they said
Tyvm
Great summary. One question - wasn’t D’antoni the head coach? Who cares what his assistants think about how team should play?
Would’ve never thought about it before, but yeah, of course going through Linsanity caused trauma for him. Of course a human brain would go into crisis mode if that happened.
Who is STAT?
Edit: this was an amazing breakdown btw
Amare Stoudemire
Ah, thank you
IMO, Melo could have done more for Lin. That’s probably putting is nicely.
No doubt.
Lin dealt with a lot of BS in general so having a more supportive group of teammates and organizational leadership would have been a lot better. Kobe, KG, national media and others all took shots at him but he didn’t feel the support of those who are supposed to have his back.
But he also said that he hated that “his story” was taken away from him and turned into a vehicle just to shit on someone else.
Kobe is such an asshole pretending he’s never heard of Jeremy Lin before their game at Madison when Lin was the talk of the NBA AND ALL OVER ESPN.
Jeremy definitely stepped up to the spotlight and made sure Kobe knew who he is and outplaying Kobe.
To be fair, what Kobe actually said was he knew who Jeremy Lin was, but he didn’t know about the things he had actually done up until that point. It’s on YouTube, but everyone just sorta overlooked his quote and took it as he pretended to not know who Lin was.
I just heard from this podcast that it was a reference to Kobe and Melo talking the night before about how Lin’s gonna bust his ass (in jest) and Kobe responding that he didn’t know who he was. Then it actually happened lmao.
Not that I’m doubting it but I don’t remember; what shots did KG take at Jeremy Lin?
I think it was mainly trashtalk on the court that might have crossed some lines at times
Nothing to the media like with Kobe
So nothing from KG then?
nothing out of the ordinary. he was just saying rondo was better and should bust his ass (which he did)
The celtics beat the knicks and Rondo had an insane game. 18 points 17 boards (4 offensive) 20 assists
Man agenda Rondo was an insane player. Sometimes people will mention games he had that I forgot about or missed and I’m always like wtf was this guy on
“taking shots” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPAYzNH4xXY
what did KG say
Kobe didn’t take shots at him , he was asked a question he gave a faded response.that was blown up out of proportion. If you think Kobe didn’t watch film on him before their game you’re wild, he wasn’t going to say anything. Kobe also dropped 34. The lakers were in termoil.
Nothing about Kobe has anything to do with how lins career went. Yall are insufferable.good for Lin made millions, was popular he had a great time , leave Kobe out of it.
Did you listen to the podcast?
From what Melo and Lin said it seems Melo did a lot for Lin, especially when it came to off-court stuff so Lin could just focus on basketball and playing well on his non-guaranteed contract
I totally listened, and that’s still my fucking opinion. Gotta read between the lines man. Hell, Lin even said it on the cast that he wanted more support.
Both things are likely true. Melo was a poor leader, and he also likely didn’t mean anything malicious towards Lin
They said they didnt talk enough multiple times both during and after their stint. It’s on the vet and team leader Melo to talk. He is just a poor leader
I listened to it and a lot of what Melo was saying was “I was hurt and needed to focus on me”. “I needed to get healthy”. “I needed to do this for me”. There was a lot of me first talk and almost no team first talk. Which he then passed the blame off on D’antoni and the coaching staff for not providing leadership
Just saw a reel with Shumpert talking about Melo vs Bron in terms of leadership style. Melo was all about what he could control with himself (like he could have scored more points so that the team could win) while LeBron was all about accountability (you better be at the spot I told you to be or else that’s a turnover for me).
Like Lin said, a lot of things can be right at the same time.
Why would melo though? He himself always chose money over his career
i was initially VERY skeptical about Melo calling for Jeremy Lin to be on this podcast, and I doubted the intention behind the callout.
A week later, I can say I was wrong. Impressed that Melo honored Lin’s request and had an off camera discussion.
For a while, I did think that - Melo was under a lot of pressure during his time as a Knick - the fit of Lin and Melo was awkward , and some of that is coaching - the comment Melo made about Lin’s Houston contract was more about the poision pill structure than the dollar amount
This discussion goes to show how much team dynamic the fans DONT get to see, and how unbased or inaccurate media reports can be.
‘coaching’ is correct but a more apt word would be ‘system’. Jeremy was more fit to Dantoni’s system
Well there’s this interview. On the other hand I went to YouTube to see of I could find videos of lin nutmeg melo because it was mentioned in the interview
I couldn’t find any videos of that. But what I did find was a video of a Pat Beverly interview where he said melo was exploring free agency and visited Houston. And told them he would come but would not play with lin. So in other words a condition of melo signing with Houston would be getting rid of lin
So……frankly I think this interview was more for Lin to get it off his shoulders. I don’t think melo was being honest and therefore he’s probably lying this whole time including on the interview and therefore still living with what he did.
That explanation about the “ridiculous contract” sounded like absolute BS to me. Maybe the tiniest shred of a fig leaf. I didn’t buy it.
Edit: do I believe that melo doesn’t want to put everything behind him? Not necessarily. He could simultaneously be lying about his past actions and also want to put that behind him and move on. But frankly I felt Lin did most of the talking and seemed more credible.
Ahh, yes. I also believe everything known truth teller Patrick Beverly says. He would never say anything to stir the pot or push false narratives that cause drama
This guy is so skeptical of Melo he’s willing to believe the following scenario is more realistic:
And one of the following must also be true:
Lin was also told at the time but never brought it up with Anthony on the podcast despite this being the exact purpose of the podcast.
People in the Rockets org and players like Pat Beverly knew when it happened, but no one actually told Jeremy Lin himself. He eventually heard the rumors given Pat Bev told the story publicly to his podcast audience. For some reason Lin still chose not to follow up on it or bring it up with Melo on this podcast.
No one ever told Jeremy Lin. To this day, Lin somehow still doesn’t about the story, even though random redditors are now discussing it online.
you’re allowed to dislike Melo such that you believe he’s some huge tale-weaver, but I would equally re-consider taking Patrick Beverly’s word as gospel lol.
If getting melo was as simple as getting rid of Lin the rockets would have just done that
https://youtu.be/JZemGi5MTGU?is=o5EDK_JYYU5ILqrK
Here is the video of Jlin playing against Melo back in 2017. Couple of timestamps where he nutmegs Melo at 1:30 and 2:19. Glad they talked it out though afterwards. There is a video out on YouTube where Lin did get uppercutted by Melo in 2016.
As for the Beverly comments, there are some things that I will take it with a grain of salt. I did remember the Rockets trying to sign Melo during free agency. They had a billboard with Melo wearing a rockets jersey with #7. However, that was Lin’s number at that time and he was still on the team so that itself created a lot of tension. That definitely didn’t sit well with both Lin and Melo at that time, but that’s in the past.
Glad that they were both able to sit down and talk it out though 🙏
Podcast is really serving as therapy session for men
“the talking cure”
“Why don’t men open up and communicate, it’s their fault mental illness affects them more”
men open up to each other in a non-toxic way to settle differences
“LOL, yall using podcasts as therapy”
They’re both active members of NBA media. This was a great way to settle their differences, Lin mentioned he wished he had more public support from Knicks stars back then so doing this publicly is perfectly reasonable
Did I say it was bad? I think it’s great.
this is online. people don’t respond to what you say. they jump to conclusions about what they assume you’re not saying, and argue with that.
thanks I hate it here
hate i thanks it here
“OP likes relationship mending slop”
the guy never said any of that bro, who are you talking to?
He’s most likely referring to folks who’ve called men like him out (rightfully so) for looking to podcasters such as Rogan, Tate, etc…
Lin is too nice going on this show cus melo kept whining and begging to clear his image up. Fact that they never had a private conversation about this for 15 years proves everything
Jeremy only agreed to do it if they could have a private conversation first
Sometimes coworkers don’t get along, it’s not that big of a deal
Wtf is this LinkedIn fiction shit.
I mean we learn that he never got closure with KG either
Melo asked Lin to come on the pod once & it came from a segment where he was asked who he wants to come on. Lol
Someone give me the synopsis. Im all in on the current Knicks right now to be worrying about former ones.
Just finished watching, I think this captures everything:
Yeah watching it, it sounds like they weren’t all the closest in the locker room and were basically just coworkers.
So when stuff came out in the media (people don’t understand how bad NYC tabloid/gossip culture was in the early 2010s) all parties thought maybe there was some tension there.
Just seems like this was all miscommunication at the end of the day
Been saying it for years. Lin and Melo weren’t tight like that but most of the issues came from their play styles and the coaching/FO not knowing how to mesh the two.
I mean Lin was also only there for a couple of weeks before Linsanity happened. In total he was only on the Knicks for like 3 months and a bunch of those guys were hurt for most of it. Kinda hard to develop chemistry in that situation.
Yea, a whole lot of nothing.. glad they were able to talk it out though.
all sounds pretty reasonable
So the morons on Reddit saying Melo hated Lin were wrong? Who knew?
They’re gonna keep saying it forever. Their minds are made up lmao 🤦♂️
Just look at the comments on this podcast on YouTube. People who literally didn’t watch are still posting Melo hate comments. One dude brings up the poison pill contract and how it made him lose respect for Melo without realizing they talked about it in the episode . The Melo hate force is insane
It goes like this. Real life > Reddit > Youtube
Real life fans love Melo. Wasn’t the greatest or anything, but he was fun they’d probably call him a Knicks Legend.
Reddit top comments wouldn’t call him a legend, dogs on his time as Knick, but there are always a minority of comments that combat the top opinions with actual nuance and context on the topic vs just “Haha too bad Melo was so jealous, he ran Lin out now Melo is a champion and Melo is ringless haha”
YouTube comments are just cancer and hate. No braincells detected
People on Reddit think Harden hated Lin too when in reality they’re cool with each other. I think Lin has told a story before how they worked out their differences when on the Rockets together. Harden even has an IG post from last years all star game with Lin as well.
Lin put it best in this pod, he felt like his career was used as a vehicle to hate on others (melo, Kobe, harden) and his fans don’t realize it
They still are lol
Melo is one of those guys that gets endless amounts of undeserved shit. Harden, Westbrook, Embiid, Melo. I could go on. This subreddit hates far more players than it actually likes because no matter what, they will always turn on someone eventually. It’s just a matter of how far they will go to shit on players they don’t like.
Thanks a lot for this, very good comment
Re: Clarification needed for poison pill.
So what’s the issue for the Knicks to match and think like the Rockets? If after the 1st 2 years and Lin wasn’t worth it, then he gets traded as a large expiring as an incentive. If he was worth it, then you get taxed for a player who’s worth it.
Was it because of the future KD free agency? It’s a bummer because everyone including Lin would’ve loved to stay in NY. But realistically, it’s probably going to be the same what-if’s as how things turned out and never having the right play-style team situation.
If he got a fair chance from the start (of his career, not the Knicks) and didn’t need to be so desperate. He probably could’ve had a steadier career, be appropriately rated, as an off the bench leader at least.
Salaries have ballooned since, but that third year was LeBron James type money at the time. And due to the luxury tax, it was a contract designed specifically to cost Dolan a fortune, which he took personal offense to. We’re talking paying more in luxury tax than the totality of Lin’s actual contract.
I think trying to dump him prior to that last year would have been a dice roll too. You lose your starting PG, maybe have to give someone additional assets to take him, all while you’re trying to be a contender and might no longer have the space to adequately replace him. But first and foremost I think it was Dolan being offended after he’d previously planned to match it.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/8180998/nba-jeremy-lin-six-degrees-separation-poison-pill
This is a good read on it, but the big takeaway is how the tax worked at the time. “For example, if they are right at the tax line without Lin, then his \(15 million will cost them \)28.75 million in tax. If they’re \(10 million over the tax line before Lin, then his salary will cost them an extra \)47.5 million in tax.”
Maybe there was value as an expiring in year 3, but those first two years would have made it crazy expensive if they weren’t able to trade him. The article talks about how the Knicks were dumb in how they used the amnesty clause.
The first two years were fine tho and it was the third year that was the poison pill
The issue was that back then the offering team had the average annual salary of the whole contract counted against the cap.
For the Rockets the deal counted as a 3 year deal worth 8.34 per year while for the Knicks the deal was 5+5+15
The Knicks were already in the luxury tax threshold so that 3rd year would have been especially expensive all the while matched RFA’s were trade protected in year 1 and it is difficult to trade a 2⁄20 deal with 10million salary jump
This was a while ago, so excuse me if I mistaken anything. There were two main components why the Knicks situation and the rockets situation was different at the time:
Lin was coming off an undrafted rookie player contract, and the the max amount of money he could get was capped at \(5m a year for the next two years, even though he was worth significantly more. This rule was implemented after Gilbert Arenas got a \)60M contract after completing his 2-yr second round rookie contract while 1st round picks were making significantly less money and stuck in longer contracts.
The Rockets had significant amount of cap space, where they would still be under the cap with the lin contract, so they are able to smooth out the cap hit for all three years to about $8m/yr. The knicks were paying max money to carmelo and stoudemire, so they didn’t have that flexibility to smooth out the cap hit. So it’s a posion pill contract for the knicks, but not the rockets.
You would have had to send out assets and bundle in other players so the salary would have worked.
It would be tricky to do too because the Knicks would have theoretically been over the cap. This is compounded since Lin cost the Knicks ~15 mil, but he only represented ~8 mil to any other team he could be traded to.
Thanks for the summary. All sounds sensible / reasonable.
Appreciate you 🙏
Damn dude, I was expecting like a one liner. Appreciate you man!
Point number 2 and 5 I’m not sure what that means. So they had meetings when they were healthy but also they didn’t know where they were headed because they didn’t communicate?
Both of them killed each other
Recording their mutually agreed duel to the death was a wild decision but shit, its what the people want
Then why you want a synopsis if you don’t want to worry about it
Lin slept with Carmelo and then didn’t call him after
It’s live
Bro just watch it it just premiered
This will be a respectful comments section full of people who actually watched the video
Imagine starting off the comments with something interesting instead of pre-hating the comments before they even happen.
Reddit is an echo chamber. Every thread has someone pre-hating, pre-reacting, or trying to be the cool one before anything even happens. It has destroyed discussion on this website.
All in all, the Melo/Lin situation seemed like a classic case of 2000s-2010s Knicks. A bunch of dudes with no real relationship, a veteran coach who isn’t there to help the young guys, and organization of idiots with no plan/direction/leadership. Melo definitely downplayed how much he didn’t help Lin in terms of the NY media despite seemingly helping him a ton off the court. I think Melo would’ve been fine with Lin, but also wanted to make sure he was the #1 option always on the court and off the court. It sucks to hear about Lins mental health issues regarding the whole post-Linsanity era of his career but I’m happy he’s getting his flowers.
I mean it is?
“Sir, this is a Wendy’s”
If you watch it melo slandered himself.
Cannot stand clicking on a Carmelo Stephen A Serena Williams Kendrick Perkins Video. Period.
I will click on 99.9 percent of the videos out there. Some people are on my generational hate list for no reason.
2 Knicks legends in different ways
You can tell many people had their comments prewritten and don’t want to hear things out
Yeah it’s a shame because Lin talked about how he didn’t want his career to be defined as being against his teammates, and that’s the only lens that people can see it. In particular Lin seems like an incredibly nice guy, down to praying for Melo even when they weren’t speaking and telling young players to learn his moves to add them to their game, and instead of talking about all that positive stuff people just want to talk about the narrative they both debunked on the pod.
I’m just glad 2 central Knicks figures from my Knicks fandom could have a conversation that showed mutual respect. Lin said that the current Knicks have provided healing for a lot of people in multiple ways and he’s right
Those early to mid 2010s Knicks teams were so fun to watch, always hoped they were able to get 1 with that squad even with all their drama. Happy for you for these times though
This finals run is having a wider positive effect than I ever thought.
I hope yall can listen to this with an open mind.
You expect people to actually listen?
So many people in here really showing how they never read articles or watch the clips they comment on.
Those YouTube comments lol
No different from here.
Yup same stuff here from a lot of people who didn’t watch the full hour.
Jeremy Lin got completely set up here.
Carmelo had everything to gain from doing this podcast: views and clicks for his show, plus an opportunity to rehabilitate his reputation around the whole Linsanity situation. Jeremy, on the other hand, had little to gain.
A lot of the jealousy and tension from that era wasn’t just fan speculation - it was talked about by teammates like Tyson Chandler, Baron Davis, and Stoudemire. Yet throughout this conversation, Carmelo never really apologized or took accountability for anything.
Instead, Jeremy seemed to spend much of the podcast explaining Carmelo’s perspective and offering reasons why things happened the way they did. It felt like Jeremy was doing the work of justifying Carmelo’s actions, while Carmelo got the benefit of telling his side without having to acknowledge the hurt or controversy that surrounded that period.
By the end, it felt less like a conversation about accountability and more like Jeremy helping Carmelo rewrite the story.
“Ayo P! They want me to confront the fragility of my ego live on the pod!”
This is the most accurate summary. Surprised that more people in the comments don’t seem to agree. Melo says nothing meaningful or vulnerable and takes accountability for nothing the entire time, with his “ridiculous contract” explanation for example.
100%
I’ll never understand how Melo gets all the blame for how that man’s career turned out.
My guy turned a four week regular season run into a lifetime of content. Gotta respect it.
Sitll remember jr talking shit abt jlin new contract thru the media.
Less corny than I expected.
I’ll take it.
Melo is a master of evasion. Every answer is a non answer or redirect. His hosts straight up ask if there was jealousy and if there wasn’t why did that narrative rise and where did it come from. He could have answered straight yes/no, and then expanded on why. Instead he just babbles about play styles, injuries, leadership, and organizational confusion. Then after he acknowledges the play style / direction of the team was divergent, he says that was actually a wedge put in place by the media. So which was it, a media specter or an actual issue?
The fact of the matter is that the team was on an abysmal slide, and suddenly gets gifted with a talented PG who can play the exact system D’Antoni wants to run, and this results in winning and exciting basketball. It was abundantly clear to anyone what the direction should be but acknowledging the elephant in the room that the Melo-centric brand of basketball was just not going to be successful was painful for all the decision makers that constructed the roster at great expense, and most of all to Melo himself. This is the same guy who laughed at coming off the bench and begged for a role in the NBA once he finally came to terms what everyone else already knew to be true by that point.
EDIT: Before I get accused of being a Melo hater, I was the biggest Melo defender back in the day. I appreciated what he and Amare tried to do bringing the Knicks back to relevance when no other star wanted to touch the org with a 10 foot pole. He had some great moments in NY (the game-tying and game-winning 3s vs Chicago that same year were amazing). But watching him all those years I know exactly what he was and what he wasn’t. And a selfless, ego-free, everything for the good of the team player he wasn’t. He always wanted to be THE guy. If you don’t believe me take it from his teammate Mr Big Shot himself.
I’m always confused why knicks fans like you put all the blame on Melo and zero for Amar’e for being at times higher paid than Melo and never playing, handicapping the roster and ultimately keeping you out of real contention.
That aside, Lin played like 30 more games for the knicks after linsanity and he couldn’t replicate that stretch. He was not going to be the immediate answer regardless of whether he was able to match the deal.
The hate Melo gets is absolutely insane
They have to direct their hate to Melo so they can blame him for how Lin’s career turned out
Got to keep the agendas going
They’ll continue to hate him and won’t even watch the podcast. Or maybe they will and will still hate the man
Hating someone you don’t know personally is also kinda crazy
He was so good with y’all
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So I’m guessing you didn’t watch the podcast then
They really don’t. The first thing these guys acknowledge that there was an issue with play styles and even amongst the coaching staff there was disconnect. Each guy was feeling pressure in their roles.
Thank you! Lin said on paper the play styles didn’t mesh because himself was pick and roll and Melo was iso and post work. They had a meeting to try and figure it out but too many injuries happened at different times.
Glad that someone actually watched it!
Crazy thing is that if you lived through this real time and were reading up on the dynamic of the team at the time, it’s not new.
D’Antoni literally quit mid season because he could not figure out how to make it work and there were reports he wanted to trade Melo for DWill. Which meant DWill was going to be the PG over Lin. The FO told him no.
FACTS! which is also crazy because Lin said D’Antoni wanted Lin there the season prior. What did we get after that? 5 different head coaches.
Their conversation really exposed the business side of basketball. All they did was fix a misunderstanding publicly
It also exposed what we already knew which was that our organisational mess from top down robbed us of any chance of success both in the short and longterm
It was reported back then and reiterated ever since that no-one from Dolan down to our various FO constellations and coaches had a cohesive and collaborative understanding of what to do.
You are cooking with grease my brother! There was no unity in the FO at all. Only the team had that camaraderie and that’s because it was mainly vets. They really tried to make it work the final year we had everyone there with Woody.
Dolan and Walsh literally fell out over the Melo trade because Dolan forced it instead of waiting for the off season. It was doomed from the start. Walsh cleared so much cap to sign Melo in FA AND bring in better pieces.
And Walsh also himself had conflicts with his own FO staff i remember. They weren’t united both in the Melo situation and general teambuilding and coaching hires at all
!!! Had to have lived through it to even know about any of this. I always appreciate those who were around and don’t just go off of hearsay and do no research
Where was Rick Brunson during this time? Yall needed him
i think the timelines might be mixed up here
I was pretty sure that D’antoni didn’t want to trade for Melo during the 2010-11 season and he wanted Dwill rather than give up most of the core in a trade for Melo
Dwill got traded from Utah to Brooklyn around the same time that Melo got traded to NYK
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-dantoni-wanted-to-trade-carmelo-anthony-for-deron-williams/
nah it was a report after the Melo trade and in the middle of the season when he quit.
’Antoni, the source said, had been advocating that the Knicks attempt to trade Anthony to the New Jersey Nets for guard Deron Williams, a deal D’Antoni believed would be beneficial for both franchises. But Dolan categorically declined that request, and the “conflicting visions” between the owner and head coach about Anthony meant there was no way forward.
Damn man, did he sleep with your girl/sister or something?
Remember that this is a guy who legitimately believes he has earned the right to cheat on his wife because he’s rich and famous. He’s a douchebag
Source???
If melo was a true leader he would have acted like a true leader and embraced Lin at the time. This feels like backtracking after having years of coming up with a story to make himself (melo) seem like he wasn’t bothered by someone taking the spotlight at the time. It’s clear when they talk about the meetings between him Amare and chandler they thought lin was a joke/blip on the radar and never took his game seriously
Lin was a blip on the radar though.
Kinda wild that this all culminated during the Finals run and at the edge of a Knicks title.
I’ll never forget that ESPN headline. Diabolical.
Respect to Melo and JLin. Great podcast.
I wish we would’ve had this between Kobe and JLin too.
I think it was D’Antoni leaving that ultimately sealed Lin’s fate, since it was that style of play that Lin flourished in and made him the lead guard. I don’t buy the “poison pill” reason because the Knicks would have two seasons to decide to keep Lin, before the 3rd year kicked in. It was 5/5/15. Knicks have always had one of the highest team salaries to begin with. Lin’s 3rd year also would have been an expiring contract, and worst contracts have been traded. Lin actually got delt to the Lakers that 3rd year, so it wasn’t an impossible contract had things not worked out.
Tuning in for sure
I need to see those JLin revenge nutmegs on Melo.
dantoni sucks and he got his revenge by almost getting melo kicked out the league. did waste a year of his career
Long story short all of the shit SAS, other media folks, and fans were saying about the situation for so long wasn’t true at all. Good episode.
Melo still does not come off looking good after this podcast.
Do you think they had trouble “figuring it out” ?
Too many shills in these comments , this is wild, shills or bots
I guess I still dont really understand why they wouldn’t offer him something. I guess the regime change? Why bother since they figured he’d just take the Houston offer with the poison pill?
There were other dynamics in play, including D’Antoni leaving. Knicks told him to test the market.
I guess its nothing unusual for the knicks at that point in time either
Ya I don’t buy the contract poison pill, since the Knicks always had one of the highest team payrolls. In addition, they would have had 2 seasons to decide to keep Lin or not, and that 3rd year would have been an expiring contract. Worst contracts have been traded. I think once D’Antoni left, it was over for Lin in New York.
Is this episode really this fucking bad?
It kicks off with the big question hey Jeremy was Melo a hater/jealous during Linsanity?
and Jeremy goes off for 5minutes about nothing just killing air time. And then he never answers the question
Are they just gonna dance around the shit the whole episode? this blows lol
wow this is horrible episode. They hardly answer everything. Jeremy atleast alludes to the truth a couple times. Melo tries to make the whole thing about him lol, melo do melo is what it is.
and when they are not dancing around the questions, they try to re-write history with some of the worst parts of it lol. Jeremys too nice, or i guess nba players always have each others backs.
this is an hour of total malarkey, do not watch you want learn anything about it lol
Basically Melo & Lin: :| quietly coexisting.
Parasocial fans and shit stirrers: make up a bunch of narratives and made it awkward.
Haven’t had time to watch the podcast yet but was Kobe brought up at all? From my memory it seemed like Kobe hated him on the Lakers
More like “here’s bum-ass Carmelo Anthony’s spin on it”
Melo always been jealous and a me-first dude. It’s not that he dislikes Jeremy, it’s that Carmelo thinks the franchise revolves around him and only him.
His mentality sucks and I’m always amazed by his college career at ‘Cuse. He’s always rubbed me the wrong way after his MTV Cribs ep. Real ones know.
There was a mediator present hahaha, from Melo’s tone you could tell he felt no remorse for being a complete diva and is just doing this for pr
I mean it’s def not the whole story and is prolly more complicated than a simple misunderstanding. Melo said the contract was ridiculous, and if that’s how he felt, why didn’t the Knicks just offer Jeremy a lower offer contract instead of letting him walk? Also based on things other former teammates have said about the locker room over the years, it feels like there was more going on behind the scenes. Some parts of the story just don’t add up to me.
It’s still great to see two former teammates hash things out and have a conversation after all these years tho.