The screening stuff is actually a great point, Fox thrived next to Sabonis who was a great screener and Wemby’s refusal to screen properly is absolutely part of his struggles.

I also think that Fox has just been insanely cold, there were so many shots this playoffs where he missed things that are normally automatic from him. I think both are true here.

Fox absolutely should have held the ball. But blaming him alone for a near 30 pt collapse is crazy

Poetic, The Coach that wanted to hold him accountable is the same coach standing in his way of winning a ring.

I’ve read enough. Trade Wemby and build around Fox already.

His decision making is the problem

He’s a 10 yr vet, who is supposed to be a steadying influence on this young g team. In high pressure moments during this run he has made some of the worst mental mistakes on the team. You can forgive the lesser production because of the injury but the mental errors with his experience just can’t happen on a title contender.

Regular season stats mean very little imo, especially when half the league was tanking this year and dudes would rest their starters against the Spurs because a lot of teams figured it was a loss anyway. Plus what do the Spurs care about regular season performances without Wemby.

Jalen Duren was an all-star and looked unplayable for large portions of the postseason.

the thing about Fox is he thrives when he has space to operate. watched enough Spurs games this year to see their halfcourt offense looks completely different depending on who sets the screen

Wemby has to feel like Homelander watching Fox get all the blame despite Wemby having his worst game of the playoffs and smoking 2 clutch free throws. I guess when people like you, they’re gonna overlook all your shortcomings 😂

They didn’t get him to be a 1st option scorer they got him as a facilitator veteran point guard and he has been fucking horrible at all of that

EDIT: A guard can be a facilitator without averaging 10+ assists. If he was as good of a scorer as this post is trying to suggest he is, he would give the opportunity for Wemby and the rest of the spurs to have less defensive pressure and thus “facilitating”. But he doesn’t. So TLDR, he is buns

Do his stats without Wemby matter, Spurs with Wemby as the number 1 are title contenders, a team with Fox as the number 1 option is a first round exit. Obviously the expectations of being in Sacramento are a lot lower but he’s still getting paid like he’s a first option so a lot of criticism imo is surrounding that.

I don’t like Fox because of his crypto scam simple. Fuck him

A “Star” guard can’t figure out how to play with a top 5 player in the nba because he doesn’t set the best screens? Doesn’t sound like a “Star” to me.

Dame and Giannis was a completely different situation considering outside the 2 of them, the roster was complete garbage

Fox had one leg most of the playoffs the fact is the spurs lost every close game this series and Wemby seems to gas any game he has to go long in.

Fox did show up for game 7 in OKC.

I think a lot of fans are quick to making Fox the scapegoat. But look at the game as a whole and the problem was your MVP level player going ³⁄₁₄ in the 2nd half. Even missing those free throws in the clutch was huge.

I doubt the spurs sell low on him, no matter how inexcusable that decision was he’s still leading the playoffs in playmaking efficiency, and i think second in 3pt pull up efficiency. The high ankle sprain has taken away the biggest part of his game, floaters and paint step backs. 

It really doesn’t make sense to trade him until keeping him means going over the 2nd apron.

Because it will have to be more of a salary dump than making the team better.

The 30-point collapse was not a result of Fox, but a result of everyone on the Spurs playing poorly.

Except for Dylan Harper. We still love you, boo

Bring him off the bench as the sixth man.

No he’s getting hate for being a low iq basketball player which is warranted based on that blocked layup attempt up 1 that lead to a NY bucket lol. And his decision making in general is that of a guy who looks like he doesn’t really give a fuck because he’s getting 50 million a year…

He’s being paid like a legit number 2.. when he’s a high level 3rd option at best. I’m not sure who is the trade partner here?

Fox turned the ball over multiple times yesterday, sometimes before he even crossed half court with no one pressuring him. They were baffling. The problem isn’t Wemby it’s his decision making.

Spurs don’t get by OKC without him so people should probably slow their roll.

Regular season games, completely different settings

Zach Lowe on the pod today said an agent asked him 2 days ago when the Spurs needed to have the trade Fox discussion

and 2 days ago Lowe admitted its at the point that if theres any deal thats even palatable the Spurs at least have to table a meeting (bc of how good Harper obviously is). the agent and Lowe suggested a hypothetical where a team trades for Giannis, and has no other talent after the trade but still needs a guard, and hits up the Spurs

and that was Lowe being careful about phrasing, and said its not how the Spurs operate to trade him like that. but yea Fox is likely gonna be floated in all kinds of trade discussions this summer

People only care about Playoff performance af the end of the day.

He just has no idea how to incorporate two other scoring guards and a center that has no go-to spots or moves. He’s not a natural facilitator and not a high enough end lead guard to win a championship.

It also doesn’t help that Mitch Johnson is an inept coach.

Fox has always been a rhythm driver. when Wemby’s out and the floor opens up, that’s his comfort zone. not sure that means anything long-term about fit though.

It took Shaq a few years to realize what he was, took a master named Phil Jackson to convince Shaq he was unstoppable but he had to believe it.

This has nothing to do with his decision making, OP. People are allowed to struggle. 9 year vets who happen to be point guards have to have better decision making. Period.

I just wanna say I appreciate you for pointing out what I’ve been screaming to my fellow fans around town. Thunder flair makes it even kinder.

Looking forward to many battles between our teams in the coming years.

Per Caitlin Cooper, Fox had 44 touches in the second half, the Spurs scored .39 points per chance out of those touches. That is abysmal.

He had OG matched up as his primary defender and tried to iso against him a bunch. Dylan Harper was red hot and getting to the rim at will, but their vet PG didn’t make any attempt to get him the ball and he didn’t take a shot in the 4th quarter.

This dude has been a train wreck in this series and that’s before you get to the defensive side where he won’t even sink into a real stance and gets constantly blown by. I know he’s not 100% healthy, but he’s shown a lot of burst on offense, he’s not on the injury report at all, and plenty of guys are managing something by the finals. Worst contract in the league and they’d have to attach assets to get off it.

Fox sealed the win for the Spurs in Game 3. He deserves some slack for game 4… everyone on the Spurs shat the bed not just him.

there ain’t no buying low at ⁴⁄₂₂₉

They don’t beat OKC without Fox.

He’s a flawed player and is on a huge contract, but the Spurs, right now, are better with him.

Fox giveth and Fox taketh

A lot is two words

He’ll get traded to Seattle and Las Vegas in a few years.

Yeah I’m ngl, Lakers best wemby spurs when fox was out with wemby in but lost the other way around.

Obviously the spurs aren’t better without wemby, but they haven’t quite found the fit.

Similar to Lakers with Luka and lebron until the end of this season

He isn’t getting enough credit for letting this young team thrive. So many older guys with reps would have destroyed what they are developing. He’s been the ultimate team player and yet is scapegoated endlessly because he “makes too much money and isn’t one of their drafted babies”.

I hope future free agents look at this and avoid the entire fiasco. Reading the Spurs sub has turned into my favorite sport for the lulz. They want the coach gone. They want their pg gone. They want 20 turnovers a game.

Ok cool but this doesn’t matter. It’s not like they are going to go with Fox over Wemby. Fox needs to learn how to play with Wemby on the court. That’s on him.

Fox isn’t awful, but his contract is. It looks even worse because they have Harper behind him on the bench. 

His jumper is inconsistent that’s really it

If he is able to hit his pullups and threes he’s dangerous, but some nights they don’t fall and his game kinda collapses because the defense can cheat and play the drive

Wemby also needs to improve at his screening and use his big ass frame properly because he really doesn’t give fox any space with those half-assed screens either

so start harper and have fox play with kornet right

Him without Wemby doesn’t get a team to the finals

He’s been terrible but he rarely misses the 6-8 foot shots and they are all short. That’s on Mitch but let’s be honest, SAS can only play 8 guys.

Hate how Giannis has this rep of a bad screener where we’ve seen him be a great screener for Khris, Jrue and the Greek national team. The common denominator is not Giannis…

18 regular season games with no pressure of winning or losing.

4 finals game losing and you are done. You may not even play another final game for the rest of his life.

Wemby isn’t a great screener because he doesn’t have the patience to stay there the extra second. Wembys main goal on that screen is to get in the paint as quick as possible.

I’m still curious how wemby gets away with the 2hand shove screen everytime. He’s gotta put a body on people he can’t get away with that forever

The lay-up was a terrible decision but Fox is struggling mostly because it’s injurjed

That’s wild

Could another team attempt to buy low on what is still a player in his prime capable of being a star guard this summer?

Lol I hope this happens with all of my being. 

Is fox not playing through a high ankle sprain?