Chemical_One | Knicks

626 | 3 hours ago

He’s not and that’s fine why do we have to do this

Tinmanred

176 | 3 hours ago

It’s diminishing to both Jalen and Luka imo. Like why we talking bout this

demsouls | Raptors

14 | 2 hours ago

Damn. I mean Jalen is more valuable in the sense that he played more games and did not miss any game in the playoffs. Also in terms of leading the Knicks in this crazy playoffs winning streak that they are on right this second.

But Luka did have some good games as well in that stretch before he got injured.

adgobad | 76ers

10 | 2 hours ago

Jalen is more valuable in the sense that he’s making $35mil to Luka's $46mil (which surely would’ve been even more if Luka hadn’t been traded).

Obviously contract shouldn’t be valued for MVP or first team voting and Brunson could be argued deserves more but a team that’s built around Brunson at 35mil will be able to do way more and look way better than a team paying Luka 46mil+. Brunson has more opportunity to look good in the post-season playing on a well-balanced roster and these talking heads can’t handle the recency bias and cognitive dissonance of rating Brunson lower in the regular season.

Edit: Fixed numbers cuz I was using next year’s Cap Hits instead of this year’s. Their salary difference was enough to pay both McBride and Alvarado about 4.5mil with some room to spare.

Forgot OG is making more than Brunson atm lol. See that’s a guy that deserves almost make Luka money

bwrca

23 | an hour ago

In a league where guys are making 60m, Luka at 46m is more of a steal compared to Brunson at 35 IMO.

adgobad | 76ers

-8 | an hour ago

Maybe if you get full-production Luka. I might just be under valuing him because of his year.

I think this league is entering an era where you really don’t want multiple guys on your team earning more than $50 mil. Again, Brunson at 35 let them sign two very valuable, playoff level back up guards while keeping essentially the same roster cost as LA.

kralben | Timberwolves

0 | 2 hours ago

I mean Jalen is more valuable in the sense that he played more games and did not miss any game in the playoffs

The best ability is availability.

Mundane_Ordinary5478

35 | 3 hours ago

Been accidentally running into Wilbon’s nonsense for decades now and I’m surprised he’s relevant again. Or, I guess I shouldn’t be, since it looks like he’s figured out how to capture attention by saying all the wrong things

rodrigo_i | Knicks

2 | 3 hours ago

I used to look forward to his columns in the Post. They were always good for a laugh. He’s a weathervane.

Mundane_Ordinary5478

0 | 2 hours ago

Yep. That’s where I ran into him as a wee lad. Wasn’t allowed much TV or internet, so I read books and the Post every morning, and followed along box scores and articles.

Once I got on the internet I realized Wilbon was a weathervane and David Aldridge was a shill for the most established party/superstar (or just old and out of touch).

GetOffMyCaversons

-1 | 3 hours ago

Hadn’t seen his face since like the PMT days and I was genuinely wondering where the hell he came from lol

MrLeftwardSloping | Bulls

8 | 3 hours ago

PTI lol

GetOffMyCaversons

2 | 3 hours ago

You’re right lol pardon my take is a different show isnt it? Or did I just completely bungle that

MrLeftwardSloping | Bulls

4 | 3 hours ago

No youre right, very popular sports podcast lol PTI feels like a lifetime ago

mohub21 | 76ers

2 | 35 minutes ago

Prisoner of the moment shit. Also prop them high so you can shit on them when they fail. I wonder if he even had you guys picked for the finals.

SplashBandicoot | Knicks

1 | an hour ago

We made it up for moneyyyyyy

Ok-Side-1758 | Knicks

1 | 39 minutes ago

In the playoff’s he is. Their stats the last 4 seasons have been nearly identical

jgman22 | Pelicans

373 | 3 hours ago

Mainstream sports media disgusts me

Infamous-GoatThief

102 | 3 hours ago

By the idiots, for the idiots

inkyblinkypinkysue | Knicks

6 | 2 hours ago

I agree but also what would we even talk about if everyone had the right take all the time?

“I say old chap, that Jalen Brunson fellow sure can play basketball.”

“Right-o, my good man!”

“Cheers”

HitboxOfASnail | Thunder

58 | 3 hours ago

it’s hilarious. this sub isn’t any better. when the knicks win, there will be hundreds of posts like “Is Brunson better than SGA?” and “Brunson is better than Luka and it isn’t even close”

ob_knoxious | Wizards

14 | 3 hours ago

I’m not saying this sub is immune to stupid takes but the overwhelming majority of those get clowned in the comments and sit at 35% upvoted. Additionally this sub in the regular season is a more nuanced than in the playoffs because all the casuals have come online because it’s their first time this season watching ball.

JevvyMedia | Raptors

14 | 3 hours ago

I disagree, there are so many posts with positive upvote ratios with insane hot takes in NBA and NBAtalk that is ALWAYS reactionary the past month.

SoaplessTitanic | Celtics

5 | 3 hours ago

Don’t go on NBAtalk lol. But also, I think a big contributing factor to those upvoted posts is because they often come right after a big win, and there’s just way more fans of that team online at the time. Then if that team loses those fans will just not go onto reddit. So it seems like the same people are swinging back and forth but really it’s who is online and engaged that’s swinging back and forth.

Regardless, just downvote the idiots and move on. I don’t think we need to pay any attention to people saying that Wemby is the GOAT or that SGA is a fraud

TheCalvinator | Spurs

7 | 3 hours ago

They definitely don’t get clowned. This sub is as reactionary as any sports media. Hell just using the spurs vs OKC series. Fox came back and we won, the sub was full of posts about how important he is to us winning. He has a bad game and we lose the next game, tons of up votes posts about how trash he is. Regular season can be just as bad. Sports fans especially NBA fans are reactionary as hell.

Artimusjones88 | Raptors

3 | 3 hours ago

No, its not really much different with endless MVP crap, refs bad ad nausea

MrE_Gamer | Nets

2 | 3 hours ago

The only good part of Reddit is easy access to moments in time. Go type in Shai in the search bar for this subreddit and sort by top. Can be all time, all year, all month, whatever. Check out the top posts.

Any-Question-3759

3 | 2 hours ago

At least we’re discussing broad things like is so and so better.

MVP is a regular season award. Brunson’s post season play has zero bearing on the award. It’s like discussing if Brunson is a better blocker than Wemby because his team won. Those two things aren’t very related.

This guy is an idiot and the fact that he has a vote is a discredit to the award.

bcparrot | Canada

1 | 44 minutes ago

Most of those will be posted by 16 year olds. Not professional sports journalists.

makemeking706 | Knicks

-6 | 3 hours ago

There were already posts praising Knicks front office. Like they did anything but luck into into it.

duckspurs | Knicks

8 | 2 hours ago

By what insane logic did the Knicks luck into this team vs any team built by the lottery?

makemeking706 | Knicks

-5 | an hour ago

There wasn’t any more prescient insight or genius that assembled this team than any of those past teams. If this team turned out to be a bust, it would have been just more bone headed decision making from the Knicks’ front office. Now we have Brunson and KAT making Dolan and friends look like masterminds.

duckspurs | Knicks

4 | an hour ago

Yeah I’m sorry but you don’t actually follow the team very much if you think this.

The front office assembled has been extremely thoughtful with their decision making, the constant moves Brock Aller makes on the edges with 2nd round picks and to navigate cap space have been vital to construct the roster as it is around the current harder apron penalties and thats just one example outside the obvious player moves.

makemeking706 | Knicks

1 | 27 minutes ago

Winning really does solve everything.

duckspurs | Knicks

1 | 21 minutes ago

No even if we were bounced out in the 2nd round my argument would be, we took some risks and they failed but I trust the people in charge for the first time in my life as a Knicks fan to smartly figure out the next steps.

It’s basically been the defining feature of this era of the Knicks. Leon Rose knows what he’s doing and James Dolan was completely uninvolved while dealing with the Sphere which has now given Leon the freedom to continue being unhampered by Dolan’s idiocy.

K1NG2L4Y3R | Timberwolves

4 | 3 hours ago

It seems like the NBA has the worst

Unable-Main4172

4 | 3 hours ago

Still a thousand times better than all these NBA subreddits

mojo-jojo-was-framed | Mavericks

5 | 2 hours ago

But us Reddit idiots aren’t getting paid millions to spew this shit. We do it for the love of the game

Megasota_Noire | Timberwolves

2 | 3 hours ago

Honestly the only things that disgust me as much are the fans, players, and owners.

Grappler_BP | MIA

4 | 3 hours ago

So you like nothing about sports?

mojo-jojo-was-framed | Mavericks

1 | 2 hours ago

Brunson is averaging 25, 4 and 4 on 34 percent shooting in this series so far and this is the conversation? It’s insane. Luka would get destroyed for those stats

DecentDiver458

-5 | 3 hours ago

Honestly Hes cringe and a sad notbeen, worse than a hasbeen since he achieved nothing.

Also uglier than a walrus

Moist_Session

338 | 3 hours ago

They’re trying to make it sound like they’re picking the new Pope or something 🤔

Pimpcane-Shotgun | Lakers

34 | 2 hours ago

Well we know who the actual Pope would pick

Helicase21 | GSW

15 | an hour ago

Josh Hart obviously.

clauneagu

7 | an hour ago

Finally, there’s white smoke coming from MSG, so that means that a new Pope was elected. Through the grapevine we heard that Josh Hart from Villanova was selected. And his chosen name, the first one in history, is Pope Fuckjalenbrunson. Ave Maria!

ShotgunStyles | Kings

0 | an hour ago

They’ll blow out white smoke if they elect Luka, and black smoke if they elect Brunson.

Namaste421

232 | 3 hours ago

Brunson is great, Luka is great. Basketball isn’t a one man game and it’s ok to think Luka is better despite team success.

Tinmanred

111 | 3 hours ago

It’s ok to think? It’s not thinking it’s factual. Luka is easily the better player. Brunson is great. He’s not Luka. Like someone saying random Yankees player is better than healthy Mike trout because he wins more,

Instantcoffees | Warriors

45 | 3 hours ago

Yeah, statistically Luka is the better scorer and playmaker. He is also statistically in the middle of the pack defensively while Brunson is at the bottom.

That does not mean Luka would fit this Knicks team better though. The Knicks have a good thing going right now.

Ok_Turn6757 | Lakers

38 | 3 hours ago

Luka would do miracles for Kat’s rolling though, imagine how great that pairing would be

YSLAnunoby | Raptors

8 | 2 hours ago

KAT pick and pop ability and passing would work wonders with any driving guard as well and would allow Luka to use his size on the cut way more instead of having to drive on ball to get to the rim. Would probably make him more efficient and be less tiring

Ok_Turn6757 | Lakers

7 | an hour ago

Luka is still the most blitzed player in the league despite having Bron on his team, and a large part of that is the centers on the Lakers having less than ideal decision making in the short roll. KAT would be ideal there

Appropriate_Tree_621

1 | 3 hours ago

Exactly. Brunson has been playing, at times, a lot off the ball in the offense throughout these playoffs. It has really helped unlock KAT as a playmaker and driver of the basketball, and his other teammates as cutters and spot up shooters.

That just isn’t part of Luka’s game, but it doesn’t mean that Brunson is a better player than Luka.

Fit-Bicycle6206 | Knicks

-5 | 3 hours ago

Brunson is more available though which goes a long way.

temujin94

12 | 3 hours ago

4 games a season doesn’t anywhere near make up for the discrepancy in skill.

xBootstrap | Lakers

1 | 4 minutes ago

He’s not. People are just reactionary. Just look at Wemby, people were praising him the whole playoffs then comes this series and people (not a lot) are already having shitty takes. Same thing happened with Luka during his Finals run.

Other-Owl4441

3 | 3 hours ago

“ Like someone saying random Yankees player is better than healthy Mike trout because he wins more”

But see that’s not a good analogy for this player comparison at all. It’s way too hyperbolic. Luka isn’t Mike Trout and Brunson isn’t a random Yankees player.

Tinmanred

2 | 3 hours ago

I said the Yankees and trout because I’m more so talking about when trout was more trout and pre dodgers empire. Random Yankees player would still be implying one of the better top tier players in the league. You right tho def not the best analogy. Idk why I did it since I barely follow mlb anymore but here we are lol. I’d say Luka and trout are close for quality of player tho.

Other-Owl4441

4 | 3 hours ago

Yeah I pushed back because at that time Trout was pretty much the undisputed best player in baseball, which Luka isn’t (in the top group but never actually contending for MVP while Trout won 4) and Brunson is a major star in his own right. I don’t think it is insane to compare the two or the gap is as big as you say even though most would agree Luka’s a more valuable asset.

Mediocre-County-7648 | Cavaliers

-5 | 3 hours ago

The whole point of the message you reply to just went over your head

Tinmanred

2 | 3 hours ago

No. Not really at all. Pretty sure the point of mine went over yours tho.

Mediocre-County-7648 | Cavaliers

-3 | 3 hours ago

Got me there with the good old ‘no u’

Tinmanred

2 | an hour ago

? You gonna explain what you meant or just be weird. My point is clearly they aren’t the same tier player. Jalen is great, Luka is not debatable top 5; place him where you want.

Mediocre-County-7648 | Cavaliers

1 | an hour ago

The original point I got was that debating weather Luka or Brunson is better is tiresome and the conclusion doesn’t matter.

Your point is that there is some imaginary absolute score that linearly ranks all NBA players and Luka is above Brunson in that score and that this is so obvious that any other opinion is automatically wrong.

cmake-advisor

1 | 22 minutes ago

People who think their opinions are facts arent aware that messages have points.

Commercial_Floor_578

66 | 3 hours ago

There’s zero statistical case for that and KAT has been far better these playoffs by pretty much any metric you use but ok.

GreenGorilla8232

27 | 2 hours ago

I feel like the media is gaslighting us about how Brunson has performed in the Finals so far.

It’s like they already had the narrative written about him playing amazing and didn’t want to change it.

mcg20k | Mavericks

9 | an hour ago

I think its just that people like wilbon legitimately do not watch the games at all and just say what they think must be happening.

Frosty_Dimension5646 | Nuggets

3 | 34 minutes ago

If Kobe used to get glazed for ⁸⁄₂₇ games with clutch 4th quarters, we can do the same for Brunson

nomitycs | Warriors

1 | 10 minutes ago

I don’t get it. We had the media itching to give the FMVP to anyone but Curry in the 2015 finals even though he played great for ⁵⁄₆ games with one game similar to Brunson’s series so far (overall 26ppg on 59 TS) Meanwhile they can’t possibly give the FMVP in this series to anyone but Brunson who has been horrendously inefficient (25 ppg on 42 TS!!) whilst his running mate has been far better and has been so effective defensively against Wemby.

vbsteez | Pelicans

1 | 44 minutes ago

In game one he was awful to start the game - he was incredible down the stretch but this is not 2nd Cleveland Era LeBron here.

Ok-Side-1758 | Knicks

1 | 32 minutes ago

I mean there is a statistical case in the playoffs

Brunson last 4 seasons (58 GP): 29.0/3.⁶⁄₆.6 with 2.6 TOVs on 56.4 TS%

Luka last 4 seasons (27 GP):29.¹⁄₉.0/7.7 with 41. TOVs on 56.5 TS%

penguin_torpedo | Nuggets

1 | 11 minutes ago

Yeah KAT has been the engine of the offense and best player for this playoff run. I still don’t think you can understate Brunson’s value for this team cause he’s just so damn consistent.

returntheslaborsufr | Knicks

47 | 3 hours ago

Jalen don’t care. Winning is all that matters to him.

Adsex

5 | 2 hours ago

I’m not a star, 2. I want to win.

Dog-Witch | Knicks

7 | an hour ago

Josh is not a friend

SwizzGod | Lakers

36 | 3 hours ago

Why is this even a discussion? Luka is a better player. Brunson is great too and has a better team. Doesn’t even need to be talked about

Putrid-Sherbert5501 | Lakers

5 | an hour ago

Dude hates Luka. He kept saying Luka plays no d while propping up Jokic in the same convo. He doesn’t watch basketball and goes out of his way to bring Luka up to shit on him.

Saucy_Totchie | Knicks

33 | 3 hours ago

Wilbon is an idiot.

SplashBandicoot | Knicks

2 | an hour ago

That’s hall of fame Mike Wilbon to you

OverallGeneral7129 | Cavaliers

32 | 3 hours ago

More valuable than Jaylen Brown

Huarache34 | Knicks

14 | 3 hours ago

That’s for sure

LordBaneoftheSith

4 | 3 hours ago

That bar’s half as low lmao

Huarache34 | Knicks

4 | 3 hours ago

You should’ve seen the things people were saying this season

GhostofSmartPast | Celtics

-3 | 3 hours ago

It wasn’t outlandish. He was better for most of this session.

Huarache34 | Knicks

3 | 3 hours ago

Jaylens favorite season 😭😭😭

GhostofSmartPast | Celtics

-3 | 3 hours ago

His selfishness is irrelevant to the point.

Huarache34 | Knicks

3 | 3 hours ago

It’s relevant to the point that you’re a paper tiger when he’s the main guy

GhostofSmartPast | Celtics

0 | 3 hours ago

Tatum was out for most of this season and the Celtics won 57 games…

Huarache34 | Knicks

2 | 3 hours ago

And we beat you guys every time

GhostofSmartPast | Celtics

0 | 3 hours ago

You’re just saying stuff at this point.

Electric_jungle | Washington Bullets

21 | 3 hours ago

I genuinely wonder if Luka on the Lakers will ever have the success he could have remaining with the Mavs. They need to be extremely intelligent about rebuilding the team around him, and also don’t have a ton of time.

Instead, ppl will bring him up in dumb conversations like this, ignoring the team surrounding and relevant injuries.

Ill-Enthusiasm-5530

15 | 3 hours ago

The Lakers will get bailed out by players wanting to play there regardless of how well they rebuild

Adsex

-5 | an hour ago

and refs. But still, they lack assets to surround him. Of course just by virtue of giving NBA environment to players you get to reveal some untapped talent, but I don’t think all of that combined will be enough to beat both the Spurs and the Thunder in the same year for the remainder of Luka’s career.

Shit happens though, so gotta be there and stay ready. Luka’s first finals are just an example of that, I don’t believe a second that this Mavs team would’ve beat the Nuggets. But they beat the exhausted Wolves who beat the Nuggets.

Rudd-Threetrees

11 | 3 hours ago

He had 2 relatively young centers in Gafford/lively that could roll really well to the rim, catch the ball, and defend. He had an excellent 3&D winger in PJ. He had Kyrie to improvise or run a second unit. There’s no possible way the lakers will ever give him all of that.

TheAgmis | Thunder

2 | 3 hours ago

No because they don’t draft well. Free agency is a wasteland now. They can’t purge draft picks

Deathstroke317 | Knicks

14 | 3 hours ago

I mean the Knicks as currently constructed are mostly all acquisitions. Mitch and Deuce are their only drafted players. Point is, you can win if your acquisitions hit.

Kawhi_Leonard_ | SAS

1 | an hour ago

But they got that way be drafting and developing talent that became assets. The Lakers do not have the young players the Knicks did to make those deals.

Electric_jungle | Washington Bullets

0 | 3 hours ago

For sure, I’m not suggesting it’s impossible. Having one of the best players in the league is still a better starting point than most any other team has. They just aren’t built in a terribly intelligent way for him, and need to figure out how to get there in two years, not try and squeeze water from a stone in one summer.

Ok_Turn6757 | Lakers

3 | 3 hours ago

They have new drafting people at least, new front office too

SwizzGod | Lakers

2 | 3 hours ago

Front office is revamped

TheAgmis | Thunder

-5 | 3 hours ago

And? That doesn’t change the draft picks. The cap space. The roster in free agency. Etc. It’s a franchise behind the times

Dijohn17 | Lakers

6 | 2 hours ago

It does when you have new ownership. New ownership is basically changing the way things are done. The Buss family was behind the times, in part due to the Lakers being their only value

jono9898 | Lakers

4 | 2 hours ago

They have the people responsible for the Dodgers championships running the FO, your entire argument falls apart but instead of acknowledging you’re wrong you triple down on your bad takes. And you said the Clippers are a more attractive destination earlier, that take is so bad Skip Bayless said it before,

mangoribbean

2 | 3 hours ago

And they rotate players and coaches out constantly. If you told me LeBron had 100 different teammates in his Lakers tenure I’d believe you. They won a championship and then immediately blew up the whole team

warriors_of_hope | Warriors

14 | 3 hours ago

The rise of Stephen A and Skip has had accelerated the damage of basketball convo to the point of no return. Others so-called analysts and commentators just want to be like them. Fuck

BigTall81 | Raptors

4 | 3 hours ago

To be faaaaaaaaaaair, Wilbon has been making this dumbass takes for years on PTI.

EquivalentWins

16 | 3 hours ago

This is a weird time to reevaluate Brunson. He has been pretty much playing like he always does. Guys like KAT, Bridges, Shamet are playing above their normal level.

KimJongWinning | Supersonics

5 | an hour ago

Right, I feel like the biggest difference this year is the rest of the Knicks are able to carry the load when Brunson has a bad game; last year’s Knicks team didn’t seem to be capable of the same thing which is why they fell short of the Finals.

Ok-Side-1758 | Knicks

1 | 30 minutes ago

That’s the point. Brunson has been elite every year in the playoffs since he has been a Knick.

This is the first season where the team is carrying their part and he is knocking on the footsteps of a championship

PieceOfPie_SK | Wizards

1 | 28 minutes ago

Luka has been even more elite the whole time and also was in the finals just a few years ago with an even weaker squad. Love Brunson but anyone who thinks he’s better than luka is on drugs

GhostofSmartPast | Celtics

13 | 3 hours ago

He’s not as valuable as Luka or as good. He just had a better team, which is built better through free agency because the Knicks weren’t cheap and were willing to take risks to build a team and contend for a championship.

dedbeats | Knicks

12 | 3 hours ago

National media clearly doesn’t watch the games, otherwise they would know this about Jalen Brunson. He’s not doing anything differently this year than he has in years past, except perhaps more off-ball movement. I except him to still be underrated even if the Knicks win the chip

Tinmanred

17 | 3 hours ago

Most people who are fans and watch ball even slightly know Jalen for who he is and what he can do. He’s great. He’s still not Luka.

dedbeats | Knicks

-6 | 3 hours ago

Wilbon’s argument is that Luka’s complete lack of effort on offense is overlooked while Brunson’s relative effort on defense is dismissed, but the difference is enough to even the scales.

It’s a hot take for sure but it’s not completely irrational. The Knicks have been a top defensive team all season and the top defense of the playoffs. Yes it’s because the team is comprised of plus-defenders but part of that is also Brunson’s ability to switch, make reads, draw charges, and generally *try* on defense, which Luka doesn’t do

Tinmanred

7 | 3 hours ago

You are just proving you just follow media points btw. Luka played plenty of defense this year. If we are talking defensive effort on the lakers we should be talking about the vast majority of the team including bron before Luka.

Looperstooper | Lakers

1 | 11 minutes ago

Pushing any and all narratives to make sure Brunson gets FMVP.

mrsunshine1 | Knicks

12 | 3 hours ago

Wonder if he’s adjusting for salary. Really the only way.

Ok_Turn6757 | Lakers

16 | 3 hours ago

Even then it isnt an insane amount, luka is also on a discount

mrsunshine1 | Knicks

4 | 3 hours ago

true

Ok_Turn6757 | Lakers

5 | 3 hours ago

Love Brunson though, all throughout Luka’s career they’ve had to compare his peers to him, when most of the time it’s unwarranted. Ja Morant, Trae Young, Tatum, Ant, Cade. Those are all great players in their own right, they don’t need to be better than Luka to be great. The guy is the King of New York and a legend, he doesn’t need all that

deadheadjim

11 | 3 hours ago

Dude loves the smell of his own farts

peanut-britle-latte | Knicks

11 | 3 hours ago

I swear Wilson was never like this.

returntheslaborsufr | Knicks

9 | 3 hours ago

When you fear becoming irrelevant you become desperate

Wintermute7 | Supersonics

3 | 3 hours ago

I would say that he’s just an old guy that relies more on producers giving him information, more than him doing the research and watching the games himself

geek22nd | 76ers

1 | 3 hours ago

Post COVID when PTI stopped being in studio everyday it got dramatically worse. I love Kornheiser but sometimes I have to stop watching because of Wilbon. He’s become a typical screaming ESPN hot take artist and that’s such a bummer because I agree, I don’t think he used to be like this.

HueyZA | Knicks

8 | 3 hours ago

NBA Finals and people are still talking about regular season awards for discourse. Move on, talk about the matter at hand.

Enough_Ambition_3281 | Celtics

6 | 3 hours ago

Like I’ve said that 2024 Finals has damaged Luka image in so many ways.

Hope that doesn’t happen to wemby

Zephrok | Lakers

18 | 3 hours ago

Stupid that it hurt his legacy. Luka had an all-time run which ended against an all-time team in the Celtics. Absolutely nothing to be ashamed of.

Enough_Ambition_3281 | Celtics

6 | 3 hours ago

Yup just a bad match up with that Celtics team

PieceOfPie_SK | Wizards

1 | 25 minutes ago

Bad matchup, and playing hurt, and kyrie was invisible

JiveHawk | Bulls

16 | 3 hours ago

He deserves so much credit for that Finals run. He was absolutely incredible and that team, while being decent, was nowhere near Finals quality without him.

fisherjoe | Mavericks

8 | 3 hours ago

Mostly for non ball knowers. Pretty sure he led both teams in most statistical categories. His team failed him offensively.

Dijohn17 | Lakers

6 | 2 hours ago

If anything it damaged Kyrie

palamunintillnow

2 | 2 hours ago

i mean what can you expect from kyrie against the celtics?

GreenGorilla8232

1 | 2 hours ago

I don’t really think so. It’s the other stuff.

I’ll remember Luka as an offensive sevant who doesn’t play a lick of defense and complains about every single call.

That’s his legacy right now.

PoundStar67

0 | 3 hours ago

Not really the finals. More just being on irrelevant Lakers teams and being injured for the playoffs.

LordBaneoftheSith

6 | 3 hours ago

Media 🤝 winning bias, name a more iconic duo

SkibidiBopBopBop357

3 | 3 hours ago

I hate the old media and their recency bias they have only to juggle the balls of the casual viewer who thinks Jalen Brunson is the bed player in the world because of two wins in Finals. ESPN fell from a great height, and it will be a good day when they crash and burn totally.

Main_Gain_7480 | Lakers

3 | 3 hours ago

I mean who cares If he’s not actually better or his stat profile doesn’t look as good .Since the Knicks got Brunson they’ve been to a cf and now the finals

JitteryBug | BOS

3 | an hour ago

Comparison drives clicks.

If he had said, “Jalen Brunson has been incredible during this run and has solidified his status among the top guards of the NBA”, no one would bat an eye. But if he says “Brunson now deserves one of the top two spots over everyone else, including and especially Luka”, then you get hundreds of comments from people arguing in either direction.

MrWakey | Warriors

2 | an hour ago

One of the first pieces of advice I got about using the Internet (this was 30-odd years ago and applied to a text-based bulletin board) was “don’t ask if there’s a good burrito place around 16th St., say ‘there’s no good burrito place around 16th St.’” Giving people something to argue with draws engagement.

Perfect_Health_4668

2 | 3 hours ago

Brunson has reached the point where calling him underrated somehow feels underrated.

Naismythology | Lakers

2 | 3 hours ago

Ah yes, the famous postseason award: the All-NBA Team

Easy_Money_40 | Cavaliers

2 | 3 hours ago

These mothafuckas so happy to be in NY, they just saying anything.

“We good in the West” aura

Countryb0i2m | Hornets

2 | 3 hours ago

He talking in circles

kemar7856

2 | 3 hours ago

That’s why these awards should be wrapped up the end of the season media can’t even but their recently bias to the side

TheCalvinator | Spurs

2 | 3 hours ago

Man could you imagine both those guys on the same team. That would be crazy.

Ay0_King | Celtics

2 | 3 hours ago

Modern day media is so freaking trash.

Black_Ember06 | Thunder

2 | 2 hours ago

Why do we have these discussions about who should’ve won this or that for REGULAR SEASON awards

idreamofdouche

2 | 2 hours ago

Results-based analysis in all its glory

BurnedUp11

2 | an hour ago

Different types of players. But if you swap Luka for Jalen they probably still up 2-0 because nobody on the spurs could guard him. And defensively he would probably be doing similar to Jalen.

Dangerous_Ad5039

2 | an hour ago

I’ll say it. KAT is the best Knick 🤷‍♂️

jotyma5 | Celtics

2 | 3 hours ago

Put luka on the Knicks and I promise you they are better

antonimbus | Knicks

1 | 3 hours ago

If he and the team win the championship this season then the opinion of the media really won’t matter, will it? You can write an article about which one you think has a better singing voice and it will be as equally relevant.

Durandau | Lakers

1 | 3 hours ago

Brain rot. Knicks haven’t even won(yet).

Shit this is what’ll be played for months if the Knicks win

Foi_ | Knicks

-4 | 3 hours ago

legit question. why do the knicks have to win for brunson to be as valuable as luka.

slightlyhigh77

4 | 3 hours ago

I mean he’s not as valuable and that’s fine. Brunson is an amazing player and the Knicks are clearly a better team right now than what Luka has. It’s okay to admit Luka is better but Brunson is on the better team/fits that team perfectly.

That last point is the only thing up for debate imo, what would the Knicks look like if you just replaced him with Luka.. would they be just as good? Even better?

Foi_ | Knicks

-1 | 3 hours ago

if you replace brunson with luka is a poor way of giving credit to luka where theres no credit to be given. its a fallacy take.

Silent_Wrongdoer3601

-1 | 2 hours ago

The Knicks are a better team because Brunson took way less money.

That plays into value it’s a salary cap league

3lm312

1 | 3 hours ago

Hell no

m2keo

1 | 3 hours ago

JB and the Knicks can’t be happy with the way they lost that lead so quickly last game. He knows they gotta play better than what they’ve shown. He’s gonna bring it tonight I think.

Sure_Ride_7366 | Knicks

1 | 3 hours ago

And are you gonna vote for him next year?
Lol no

So why are you wasting our time here?

Daki399 | Nuggets

1 | 2 hours ago

I mean regular season wise Knicks were 3rd Cade Luka had way better stats its understandable . Dont have to revision your voting cause of playoffs now

National-Stretch3979

1 | 2 hours ago

I think it’s because the US media and many of American fans don’t value winning basketball. They value highlight reels.

iffyfell

1 | 2 hours ago

Media is so hell-bent on anointing JB and just ignoring that KAT is carrying lmao

Silent_Wrongdoer3601

1 | 2 hours ago

When you include the contracts this is just undoubtedly true.

As a player 1:1 it’s obvious Luka is better but if you getting 80-90% Luka for 70% of the cost

ProletarianLilith

1 | 2 hours ago

People did think the Mavs letting Brunson leave was a mistake. Well I did

retrospects | Lakers

1 | 2 hours ago

Wilbon hates Luka for some reason.

WuTangNameGenerat0r

1 | 2 hours ago

People shouldn’t be able to publicly talk about who they pick. It just gives them attention

we_hella_believe

1 | 2 hours ago

Luka has played with some amazing PG/SGs.

Kyrie, Brunson and AR.

DesperateEagle4505

1 | 2 hours ago

It’s hard to say that when dude going 4-25 or some terrible stat

Golf37512

1 | an hour ago

Oh god ffs. How is this the topic of conversation?

Next let’s talk about Jordan vs. LeBron for the GOAT for the 1 millionth time. Just enjoy game 3 of the finals man.

Parlett316 | Rockets

1 | an hour ago

The Prisoner of the Moment Piece

imnotknox | Lakers

1 | an hour ago

How much Tylenol do I need to take to become this smooth brained

outsidehere | Lakers

1 | an hour ago

Man STFU

jfrodriguez1983 | Mavericks

1 | an hour ago

These ESPN guys lol. I remember that one year Stephen A argued hard for Brunson to get 1st team All-NBA over Luka and it turned out he actually voted Luka 1st team All-NBA and not Brunson lol

GeriatricGamete67 | Nuggets

1 | an hour ago

Brunson is just not a First Team All NBA player at all and that’s fine lmao, it’s actually quite possible to be very good without that

Fit-Setting9033

1 | an hour ago

I wonder if the real journalists like Wilson are embarrassed when the network has them speak on dumbass topics like they’re ex-players

akgamestar | Knicks

1 | an hour ago

Someone asked me how Brunson could get MVP next year and I told them exactly this. If he wins the chip media can carry him. Its already happening.

msterling2012 | Mavericks

1 | an hour ago

The only logic for this argument is if you take into account their contracts, and even then.

It’s also an odd convo to have given how poorly Brunson has scored the ball through the first two games. It’s not like he’s carrying the Knicks. It’s been the other starters who have really been playing at an elite level, with Brunson obviously helping to get them good looks and facilitating.

Intelligent-Gas-1602

1 | 42 minutes ago

Brunson being compared to Luka at all is a massive compliment to how far he’s come.

lifeisahighwayall

1 | 31 minutes ago

Uh-oh, the reddit demographic is not going to like this one.

Brystvorter | Nuggets

1 | 30 minutes ago

Wilbon is worse than Stephen A Smith because he is a genuine idiot and SAS is mostly putting on an act

No_Discussion3593

1 | 18 minutes ago

Well it’s a good thing we aren’t being prisoners of the moment.

itwas20yearsago2day | Lakers

1 | 11 minutes ago

Even if that was the case (which it isn’t)

All-NBA teams are 100% regular season awards. Ik some voters are already swayed by past post season success when it comes to MVP voting but publicly saying you’ll change your mind because of criteria not relevant to the award should 100% get you stripped of your vote

It’s even funnier because it’s not like Brunson is averaging 30+ on some great efficiency in the playoffs either. He’s definitely not playing better than Luka that’s for sure

SportyNewsBear

0 | 3 hours ago

I like Brunson, and I think Luka is overrated, but Luka did take the Mavericks to the finals, which they may have won had he not been playing through injuries.

ASomewhatGoodCitizen | Nuggets

0 | 2 hours ago

Jalen is way beyond Luka

rumblegod | Thunder

-3 | 3 hours ago

Correct. Luka literally hasn’t been healthy or useful when it matters. But all nba is a regular season award

realgamergirlTM

-6 | 3 hours ago

It’s kind of interesting how going to the Lakers has killed Luka’s reputation. We all knew he was a whiny free throw merchant with limited defensive talent on the Mavs but now we’re saying Jalen Brunson is better. It’s taking things a little far but as a hater I love to see it

Any_Cartographer2066

2 | 3 hours ago

It’s Brunson being in the finals not Luka on the Lakers

Zephrok | Lakers

2 | 3 hours ago

Luka is better at every aspect of the game than Brunson including defence lmao. Burson is more available Ill give him that.

KieranLeone

-6 | 2 hours ago

I’d def have Brunson over Luka in terms of efficiency.

Luka’s game just looks better. It’s more fun to watch, but he’s not about to get that deep into the playoffs ever again.

Nobody cares about Brunson because no matter how good he is, his game will never look good.

[Wilbon] I have a vote, and I was trying to figure out, well, have I voted for Jalen Brunson 1st Team All-NBA? I haven’t. Voted for him 2nd… We value other stuff that we shouldn’t value. So, let me go against my own vote. Jalen Brunson’s at least as valuable as Luka Doncic.