Out of all of the different league mechanic delirium sticks out as being far and away the most difficult. This leads to big problems with the questline. By the time you are able to clear tier 15 maps with delirium the delirium boss will be a one-shot. Delirium white mobs in tier 15s are about as tanky as powerful bosses in non-delirium maps. They also do significantly more damage than anything else. This balancing seems way off. I imagine it has to do with toughness scaling incorrectly or too strongly.

7om_Last

17 | 5 hours ago

Deli 200 makes everything very hard (and very juicy) but that’s the point

Frankly i think deli rework is awesome

Used_Satisfaction505

5 | 5 hours ago

Yeah deli 200 is the only content that can kill me now, but consistently getting around 5+ raw divines per map feels awesome

BetIcy6169

3 | 5 hours ago

Any tech that is mandatory like tablet mod or just good shit and go?:)

7om_Last

2 | 4 hours ago

I do breach with additional rare monster at the end on city with jado. When the 20% hit i get like 20 rare monsters per breach with 6 breacj.. so fun

Also city layout are garbage but jado reroll the layout so

UltmitCuest

2 | an hour ago

How in tarnation are you getting 5 raw divines per map using deli

HappyHopping

2 | 4 hours ago

I’m not complaining that there is difficult content. It’s just that the balance is way off. Like doing the maps to reach the pinnacle boss being the difficult part, only to one-shot the boss is just super disappointing. Why are the white mobs within his own mechanic more difficult than the pinnacle boss?

ronoudgenoeg

2 | 2 hours ago

The problem is that this is available super early and looks like any other league mechanic.

Except even a 500 div character can struggle with 200 deli white maps without any tablets added… while having killed every single other pinnacle boss in the game… yet this is the intro quest for deli.

7om_Last

1 | an hour ago

Yes i kinda agree that the last points being lpcked being deli 200 completion is weird (although they arent really, if you fail you can do map again with no deli)

MiltonFriedmanRox

1 | an hour ago

That can’t possibly be true.

zivo36

12 | 5 hours ago

I’ve always thought that’s kinda the point of deli. Its the last increase in difficulty to add onto other mechanics.

Ojntoast

3 | 3 hours ago

It was. In poe1 and 2 for a bit. But now you don’t distill deli to your maps, it’s a mechanic like any other, not juice on top of. It’s quest line also opens up alongside the other initial atlas quests, once again going against the idea that’s its the last increase in difficulty.

It needs to either be balanced in difficulty to the other mechanics, or it needs to return to being the “juice on top”. Either direction is fine but right now it sits in an awkward spot.

zivo36

1 | 3 hours ago

Hmm yea that’s a good point. For sure is a bit awkward that its introduced equally quest wise, and that emotions are more so just another crafting addition.

bigeyez

1 | 36 minutes ago

Its funny because I did Deli first and thought man my build is struggling! Then I got to other content and rolled it over lol.

Comfortable-Cry-8440

1 | 43 minutes ago

It was the point when it was juicing the map tho. I don’t mind delirium, but now it’s in the same spot like azmeri spirits - too much struggle for too little loot

Past-Lake-7156

6 | 5 hours ago

I been juicing up the fog maps that have 200% deli.

I get on average 2-4 raw divs drop a map. Once in a while I will get 0-1. But I have had an 8 raw div map once.

That’s just in raw divines.. juicing those 200 deli is the play.

But I’m very disappointed how boring new simu is.. even though I gotten good drops

AdSafe7963

1 | 4 hours ago

Noob here. How does one juice to 200% delirium?

Past-Lake-7156

2 | 2 hours ago

Do the deli atlas points quest. It will create a fog that deli % carries over to next map up to 200%.

Then you will get grand mirrors to spread the fog.

It makes them monsters hit/life 2-4 times harder I think so you need to have at least a 100 div build

AdSafe7963

1 | an hour ago

Thank you! Gotta work my way there

Jumpy_Witness6014

1 | 2 hours ago

This is the way.

7om_Last

-3 | 4 hours ago

I think there is or will be a way to inctease difficulty. Prob coming next week ?

Past-Lake-7156

1 | 4 hours ago

For simu? Idk I doubt it. Simu barely has any monsters and is terrible. I mean it would be cool if they did something

7om_Last

-3 | 4 hours ago

It makes 0 sense that simu max deli currently is 35.

Either there is a secret way to boost it currently or there will be; or at least i hope

zanzuses

3 | 5 hours ago

Yep I agree. But it could be that they try to make deli the last mechanic to chase after.

OrneryUmpire

3 | 5 hours ago

High risk no reward content basically

ApprehensiveJurors

-1 | 5 hours ago

deli shits out rewards lol

MiltonFriedmanRox

2 | an hour ago

Lots of people in this thread clearly haven’t invested in defenses and are now finding this out.

Effin-nerd

1 | 5 hours ago

I was gonna say the loot is mid too but doesn’t it add rarity or something?

MiltonFriedmanRox

1 | an hour ago

It’s been super lucrative for me.

Effin-nerd

1 | 16 minutes ago

What type of drops?

allbusiness512

1 | 5 hours ago

Delirium is better than people think, look at the recent thread on how you can add jewel sockets to amulets

Gerrut_batsbak

1 | 5 hours ago

Which recent thread? This sounds interesting

allbusiness512

-1 | 5 hours ago

It’s on the front page from 2 hours ago. Melancholy just got bought up though so gl

Effective-Advice4628

1 | 5 hours ago

I dont think all the mechanics need to be equally hard. Delirium exists as the ultimate juice layer you can put on anything else to make it way harder and more rewarding.

Tbh the only thing that should change is making the boss harder so the difficulty doesn’t drop back down

AstronautDue6394

1 | 4 hours ago

Delirium difficulty vs reward seems a bit iffy, I mean I do get more raw div drops but there are also mobs that randomly oneshot me and are harder than maps bosses.

My biggest gripe is how delirium works in certain layouts that circle back on themselves, sometimes you don’t have a chance to get the boss before deli runs out because while he is technically on other side of map, that other side is close to starting mirror.

staringattheplates

1 | 3 hours ago

It’s not for where you’re at in character power. Once it’s not a slog, it drops like a fucking piñata. If it could be easily added on top of other mechanics it would be broken profitable and exclusive to highest power characters. Which is exactly ehat it used to be. All top players built their characters to eventually add delirious to every map and the rest of the population couldn’t imagine getting that powerful.

Fradzombie

1 | 33 minutes ago

I just died in a juiced 15 map because the last deli mirror spawned right inside the boss entrance so as soon as I walked into the boss room the big deli guy spawned and trapped me between him and the entrance force field then slapped me twice through 7k ES :)

ChuatheGOAT

-1 | 5 hours ago

Deli is to add more juice to your already juiced maps, it’s not an early game farm. Deli are for builds who can handle most/all content fairly easily

Zookz25

1 | 5 hours ago

They need to do something about the delirious questline then. Why bother having a questline in early maps for a mechanic meant for the end game farm? Why have a boss designed for a normal character when the mechanic requires a beast of a character to complete, a character that would likely obliterate the boss?

kidzen

-4 | 3 hours ago

Dont do it if u cant handle the juice

HappyHopping

1 | 3 hours ago

I can do it quite easily especially now. It’s just that the pinnacle boss being weaker than his white mobs seems super off.

Delirium has a Massive Balancing Issue