Brad Stevens told you the regular season was fake but you know better rhan he does

Last time we won, we had Jrue, Horford, and Porzingis - all All-Star caliber players. Our record vs the best in the league was not good at all this year, despite the 50 wins, that’s why Brad Stevens said changes are needed.

Those 50 wins amounted to a first round exit that’s why

I agree in part tho. Seeing who’s in the Finals shows that we don’t NEED Giannis

The Celtics needing to improve is not an indictment on Tatum. It’s really fucking hard to win the championship. LeBron is the greatest player of all time behind MJ, and in his 22 or whatever seasons, he only won 4 times. And despite what some say, he had a lot of great teammates. I’m not saying we need Giannis specifically but we do need to improve our roster somehow

Is Giannis is going to make them less soft? If so I’m all for it.

It’s really not… Last championship we won is when we had a quasi-generational big man.. if you’re arguing against a need for Giannis then idk what to tell you

Tatum is a superstar but I think part of the issue is his sidekick isn’t an ideal fit.  Like others have said, Tatum would have multiple titles if his sidekick was Karl-Anthony Towns. 

It’s more of an indictment on Brown. He’s unfortunately not good enough to warrant one of our 2 supermax contracts with how the current CBA works (advanced stats and on off numbers show he’s not nearly as impactful as he should be for what he’s paid).

Swapping JB for Giannis (who makes the same money and is basically the same age) would put much less of a burden on Tatum and allow us to actually improve with other smaller moves. JB as our second option requires more than small moves to truly compete since he’s not as impactful for team basketball as he needs to be with his contract.

They added Tatum this season and blew a 3-1 lead. The roster isn’t good enough. It’s not the top tier talent it’s the rest of the roster. Pacers and Knicks played well as a unit and went to the finals the Celtics did not have the right mix of guys. My personal take is trading White for something and seeing what shakes out as they need at least a big and another scoring option

How that an indictment on Tatum? If you can a top 5 player to go along with another top 10 guy you do it.

Nah, you need at least 2-3 stars to win and Giannis is probably a better compliment to Tatum

You have to remember a ton of these fans on here don’t even watch the games and regurgitate what they see to feel like they belong in a community. Giannis obviously would be great to have but it depends on the cost and I personally wouldn’t give JB for him at all. But that’s me.

So we need Tatum, Brown and Giannis to win a chip?

The only people that are saying this are the people that listen to sports radio. And why is sports radio saying this? Because they have absolutely nothing else to talk about.

We are so far past caring about the regular season. We lost to an eight seed in 2023, a 4 seed went to the finals last year. We need a team that can compete deep into the playoffs not first or second round exits with good regular season records.

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People will go on about how tstum could have done X, or derrick white could have been a better shooter, but we have to talk about rhe wctual elephant in the room which is that jaylen has erased our margin for error every postseason outside of 2024 (where Jrue could handle the tatum-off minutes).

You’re seeing the same fhing in the finals whwre castle is killing the spurs while the knicks 2 is hard carrying.

The team can’t collapse every time that tstum hits the bench, and this happens almost every season because we do not have a championship caliber 2, and only really had one with Jrue. We just have a mediocre player with high usage and a team that is capable of tryharding and winning regular season games against tanking teams,

After I tead about the issues he’s been the centerif in Milwaukee, I wouldn’t even want him.

We choked in game 7 without Tatum. Celtics had a great regular season but couldn’t get anything done during the playoffs. Brad said changes are needed and it not everyday that a top 5 NBA player is on the trade market. The things Boston needed against Philadelphia can be solved with Giannis.

That’s why I wouldn’t trade brown for role players. Post Achilles tear Tatum needs a co star more than ever. Having Giannis (if it happens) could drastically lower Tatum workload.

“either Tatum is who the Celtics fan claimy is or adding players around the margins should be enough”

Dude there are millions of Celtics fans and they have different opinions on stuff. Lol

There is no consensus on whether or not we can win a title again without making changes. There’s reasonable skepticism when you choke three out of 4 years. Regular season record is completely meaningless.

Who the f*** cares if we can get 60 wins this year and it means nothing if we lose in the first round to the seven seed.

I don’t even want the trade brown I don’t even want giannis, You can’t like create the entire Celtics fan base into some singular opinion.

Just look at this thread there’s no consensus. Some people think Tatum and JB running it back is enough. Others don’t and they both have reasonable arguments since the teams already won a championship. But they choked three out of the last 4

And we don’t know what’s going on with Tatum’s health either. Do we forget that he missed a game 7 in the playoffs?

And any team can lose with variance, health, and bad luck

The 76ers played their best 2.5 games of the season and Tatum went down for G7. 

Respectfully Tatum is not a top 5 player. We’ll see next season but idk

In the playoffs switching wings and shooting threes only wins if you also have rim protection that can hopefully hit a 3 and penetrating guards. The Celtics covered that with Al, KP and Jrue. They tried to replace that with Anfernee, then Vucevic. It didn’t work but got them under the tax.

They aren’t contenders until they address it.

adding players around the margins should be enough

This is where I’m at. We need a better team around brown and tatum, we don’t need to break them up. Look who the knicks put around kat and brunson compared to what tatum and brown had this season

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Tatum missed game 7 of the playoffs like we don’t even know if he’s the same player.

Ok

Most of those aren’t actually Celtics fans bro

Those are fake accounts made by Heat and Sixers fans

They are so tired of getting whooped by the Jays, they’re trying to manufactured it

Correct, Tatum needs more help to win. He’s our guy so we gotta get it done.

Did we say this about Paul Pierce when we added KG?

I mean I don’t even want giannis but this is just so oversimplified. Even the best players need help.

And look Tatum deserves criticism for his bad shooting and all the Celtics deserve criticism for choking in three out of the last four playoffs against a huge underdog.

But it’s entirely reasonable for fans to “we choked three out of 4 years against huge underdogs maybe we should try something different.”

Frankly I think we need a new coach. I don’t want to trade JB I would like to get rid of the coach but I know he earned himself another season with coach of the Year.

But frankly I think he’s a bigger liability than either of our stars

It’s actually the opposite it’s what’s around him now compared to 2024 lol

Celtics won’t win a chip for another 10+ years

Tatum rightfully isn’t consistent enough to win the finals even though he’s a great player. It’s a shame to see Celtics fans dismiss Brown when he carried the playoffs and finals. Tatum disappears in 4th quarters often. That’s why they’re asking for Giannis.

Tatum is a beta loser and should be traded. It is Brown’s team.

We also need a playoff caliber coach. Joe has never won those boys a game with a clutch call or adjustment.