Acquiring Trey Murphy III, Without Trading Our Top 3 Players
Pels aren’t letting him go for that
Ya I’d run through a damn wall if we pulled that off
Pelicans suck, but they are not stupid
they suck, but they are only sometimes stupid
I only agree with half that statement
Did you see the Hawks trade? They are definitely stupid.
This has to be sarcasm, they might have the stupidest GM in the league rn now that morey and nico are gone.
Not nearly enough for Murphy. You could add our 2026 1st and the 2030 swap and we still may not have enough for him. Brad has also mentioned that Hugo is a huge part of our future.
I think Hugo is the key there and Sam gets rerouted for another (late and protected) 1 from a contender.
Almost definitely still not enough unless the Pels are truly tearing it all the way down and don’t want to pay him that price tag and are driven to clear the books more than anything else
And in that case, you walk away from the deal. He’s not worth more than that. Some of the best decisions a GM will make involved walking away from bad deals, and there are a lot of times where neither team is able to justify meeting in the middle.
He’s getting a bit overhyped atm.
He’s a Sam Hauser upgrade. He mostly shoots catch-and-shoot 3s, he can sometimes attack the close-out. 46% of his shots come with 0 dribbles, and 77% of his shots are assisted.
He’s decent but not special defensively.
He’s averaging 21.5 ppg, but he probably wouldn’t average that in Boston. He’s the 1st option on a 26-win team, but he wouldn’t be the 1st option in Boston. His PPG would be somewhere in the teens.
He’s Sam Hauser, except he’s more aggressive and more athletic.
We’d absolutely love a player like that. The Celtics look really dangerous when Hauser has one of those big games, and someone who can consistently play at that level would make a huge difference.
Brad talked about improving Boston’s margin for error and Murphy III would absolutely do that. He’d give us a 3rd 15-20ppg guy alongside White and Pritchard who could really play off of the Tatum/Brown offence.
But you don’t want to be the team that gives up 4-5 first-round picks’ worth of assets for a role player.
Yea, I think there’s a price I’d go, but I wouldn’t push it much farther than that
27th pick + 2027 1st + 2030 swap + Hauser + whatever else from our bench that isn’t PP/Hugo.
That’s as far as I’d go. If they don’t want that, then I’d try to find something else.
I get it, but that still feels like an egregious overpay. No thanks.
Hugo might have a decent future but he reasonably has next to no trade value right now
I think that depends on the team. The Pelicans fell in love with Derek McQueen, and look how much they traded for him.
Yeah but slightly in their defense, Queen put up solid rookie numbers (top 5 statistically and 2nd team all rookie selection) and looks like a potential star. Hugo has energy and shows promising signs but in terms of rookie stats he was like 43rd and seems like he might have a role player ceiling.
Theres a conflict in this argument. If Hugo really js “a huge part of our future“, then he could do the same for the Pelicans and the Cs’ offer has real value. They turn Murphy into a good young player on their timeline. Then add a first, a couple of seconds, and a player they could flip for more assets or keep to try to stay out in the fat part of the lottery.
I doubt the Pels value Hugo the way Celtics fans do.
hands off hugo
This hard caps the Celtics at the first apron and puts them in the tax. They’re not going into the tax.
Also you guys really need to stop trying to trade rape teams. Sometimes you need to give up good things to get good things.
The C’s are likely not doing anything. Next year is the year. I trust Brad with my whole being.
No they’re definitely doing things. Brad was furious. They’re just not going over the tax. But you can still make moves and stay under that. For example, trade Jaylen for Giannis (three teamer), trade Hauser, then use the full MLE on a center still keeps you under the tax. There are variations like that. Trey Murphy + DeJounte or Zion (which would be crazy to me, but the Pelicans are a stupid franchise) for Jaylen keeps you under the tax.
I don’t think Brad will move Derrick, but I think Jaylen will be moved and Hauser possibly will be.
I am not moving hugo.
The biggest problem here is they would be using their biggest trade tool to get a player that isn’t a center.
Hauser opens up a new trade exception or potentially TPE room, but not nearly enough.
If we are packaging all those assets for someone, it shouldn’t be someone who plays the same role as our two best players!
Yeah, I think we’ve hit the limit of Danny’s “get 5 versatile wings” strategy.
Love the effort and thought. That said, they won’t move him for this. Keep Houser and throw in 2 more unprotected first and I could see the framework, but I don’t think the Celtics do that deal.
The reality is, if you have two elite wings already, a third very god wing like Murphy is a luxury that doesn’t make sense. Bringing him in may make sense, but it needs to be in concert with moving Brown if you go that route.
Thank you very much for your compliment. Yeah I’ve learned a lot of these from these comments that I didn’t realize when I was reading the article.
I guess I still feel that Tatum+Brown and White in a supporting role, is still something very special that we should try 1 more season with. … but yeah any related trade has to be realistic and not desperate for sure, and it’s more optimal to instead see how to grab a better center if we are keeping the trio.
Hugo stays.
i’m not trading hugo or pritchard
Celtics need more front court help, Al was such a luxury as he actually has strength and IQ to defend bigs.
Can’t combine players with the TPE.
Not sure I agree, but maybe I am wrong. I think they’d be able to send out players less than the amount of the incoming player, but those salaries would not be able to be used to take in a player larger than the amount of the exception.
This trade would absolutely be legal. The additional players included aren’t factoring into the salary absorption and the Celtics aren’t acquiring multiple players.
You can’t combine the TPE with other players salaries to acquire a player worth more than the TPE. That’s not what’s happening here with Murphy’s 27m hit. He fits perfectly into the TPE.
ChatGPT trade slop? Pelicans are going to want waaay more than that. Rumor was the asking price was at least 3 Firsts. As much as I like Hugo, you’re not getting Trey for 1 First and 2 bench players.
Hugo ain’t going anywhere!
Idk man we already have the 2 best scoring wings in the league I think we need like a guard or center or something
They already saw sid a minimum of 4 frps lol
Are we really that okay to give up a first, and promising young player with star potential like Hugo away for a position not needed as much as C
Y’all want more 3 point shooters on the team? Not someone who could potentially force us to change the way we play offense?
The only way the Celtics are getting Trey Murphy is if they get him in a package for Jaylen. Otherwise it doesn’t make sense for either team
Let’s be honest it’s definitely unrealistic of us to think they wouldn’t trade white
Ok we don’t need another guy who is a great 3 point shooter. We need a solid downhill guard, so we can 1) rely less on our 3 point shooting and 2) create more open shots for the people we have who are good shooters from 3.
Hugo is one of our top 3 players.
i’d love it, but unfortunately the pelicans have an iq over 50.
Trey murphy, jb, and jt would be an incredible trio. Add a legit big next to queta and I think we’re back in the mix. Way better option than selling out for giannis in my opinion
Yea Thats a Great Idea Another guy who can stand outside the 3 point line and continue to throw up 3s When they’re 2 for 11 from 3 point line At start of 3 rd quarter and squander a 18 point lead. 5 out nobody cuts after pass and middle is wide open. Lazy Basketball. But Scal says “ I’m alright that”with them shooting 3s and missing while going 2 for 11. Scal says “They’re Good Looks “ The reason they are good looks is cause defense is backing off and letting them shoot. Why would you guard someone who is 2 for 11? Keep him outside 3 point line. Don’t let him drive and Penetrate like a Brunson.
Celtics ain’t getting Murphy with that package and we’d be risking White’s defense and connective play just to fix spacing.
great let’s add another wing. when did this team became so allergic to acquiring big men. like we win that philly series if we just had one physical big man to put on joel
Awful for the Pels
I would love this, but I have a strong feeling they aren’t adding any big contracts and this year is about re-setting that repeater tax before going all-in for 2027-2028.
Keep white. Trade JB. It’s that simple.
That’s a lot of depth to give up
We need a big, this conversation is unnecessary
Ridiculous article in every way
TMIII will go for a kings ransom is he’s dealt. Think Bridges/Bane type packages, except he might be better than both of them. He’s long, great shooter, solid defender who can disrupt and get steals/blocks, and probably has untapped potential as a secondary creator. If he’s available, Thunder (or somebody else) will offer A LOT for him
Joe Dumars is dumb.
But Trey Murphy for one FRP is…like saying Jaylen Brown is worth one FRP.
The Celtics do not have enough FRP to trade for Trey Murphy without including Brown.
Its not just 1 FRP. Hugo has proven his value and Sam can be re-routed to a 3rd team for a 1st.
I think this deal has the potential to be seen as 3 FRP value. I love Trey and he’s def worth at least this much, but I’m not sure the Celtics do this when we have a clear need at C.
Hugo is a nice prospect. He has not “proven his value”. He’s definitely worth an FRP.
Hauser is not worth an FRP, that’s homerism. He’ll be 29 next year and has one above average skill, and he struggled with injuries and had a subpar season.
And the real problem is the Celtics FRP suck. 27 overall in a “gap year”. 27 overall is a decent bet next year, too. And Hugo was 28 overall, IIRC. Rolling three consecutive winners in the late first round is…not likely.
Can’t add 28 or 29; swap to complete the White trade and gone to Portland for a title. Also, no 2nds in those years.
Can’t trade any of the 2030s FRP because everyone is over 30 and there’s been no draft picks for four consecutive years.
This is bad value for the Pelicans and a terrible long term plan for the Celtics.
Celtic fans are bipolar. Some people don’t think it’s nearly enough. Others don’t want to include Hugo.
As for me, it’s not enough. Hugo adds some value but not a crazy amount. Too many people only want to give up trash for good players.
Teams can very obviously contain them. Otherwise, we wouldn’t have lost to Miami, Knicks and Pniladelphia the way we did.
Brown is a cancer to this franchise.
I’d throw another first or Walsh (preferably Walsh)
And trade JB for Giannis
White Murphy Tatum Giannis Queta PP Baylor Harper Walsh Garza*
*Bonus add Robert Williams or KP to whatever deal we can afford
JT is the only untouchable guy on the roster.
Trey for anyone but the Jays. If there’s another deal to make where we get another major player like a legit big to pair with JT, Trey, DW, then JB’s on the table.
JB’s declining athletically and he’s going to be drastically overpaid when he drops a level in a couple years. He won’t be happy without an extension past this season.
hardest pass ever. not trading Hugo
Hugo looks good in those summer training videos
Hugo will never be as good as Trey lol
Never is a strong word.
Hugo has proven he will def be a strong rotation player as soon as next year. I see him settling in as a high-end role player in his prime.
Trey Murphy is an awesome role player who is just under the all-star tier in the NBA. If anything, he’s on a similar tier as DWhite.
It’s certainly feasible for Hugo to reach that, but it’ll take a number of years for him to do so and we are trying to win now with the Jays.
I feel like this sub has become way too trigger happy on White and Brown
New CBA and both underperformed relative to their contracts. Supermax guy who can’t tread water with Tatum off the floor and a 3&D that got cooked on ball and missed all his 3s.
they form a unique 2-way Holy Trinity that teams really cannot contain
What about Tatum/Brown your turn my turn can teams not contain? Tatum genuinely is better across the board statistically with Brown off the floor.
Jaylen was in MVP convo leading a 2 seed before Tatum came back