Stephon Castle on suggestions that the Spurs are not floppers and if they are leaving gamesmanship on the table: “I don’t really know to answer that, because I sell calls too, I can’t lie.”
All players sell calls. Wemby does it a ton. All the top players do. It’s just that some do it more than others. At a certain point, it’s a flaw in the rules and how they’re enforced more than anything.
All great players sell calls, Kobe did MJ did Brunson does SGA does Luka does Harden does etc… The FT is the most efficient shot in basketball, you’d actively be hurting your team if you didn’t try to get to the FT line as much as you can
It’s also more than that. Everyone is taught from a young age that its advantageous to get your opponent in foul trouble so they cant guard you the same or play certain players. Regardless of getting FTs, drawing fouls is a positive.
Hell I was always told and always heard from broadcasters, if you’re shot isn’t falling, put your head down and drive into the lane to get to the free throw line.
This isn’t Heat bias speaking, there is genuinely no one, in all my years of watching NBA, that does this more blatantly than Jimmy Butler.
Jimmy Butler is a unique foul baiter lol. It’s like a blue collar hard working type. Somebody is actually getting hit on the play
It’s because he’s unflashy, no theatrics just selling body bumps and an elite pump fake
I do like the fact that when he doesn’t get the call he doesn’t just bitch and most to the refs usually.
As a warriors fan, yes. He’s so good at it, it’s automatic points.
Better than falling backwards
This, getting to the FT line is just a bonus, the real goal is getting defenders to accumulate fouls and make the offense easier. We see that on a brutal level with OKC, SGA is impossible to guard once his defenders gets 2 quick fouls
They should move the FT line to the top of the key. Too efficient these days
they should move it randomly every game
The net should move left and right progressively faster the longer you take the shot. Giannis be looking at a blur.
Giannis would freak out and dunk the damn thing
Imagine the game when the free throw line is placed right above the restricted area and everyone is constantly flopping around all game 😂 chaos
I always thought it would be fun to make the player shoot it where the foul occurred. If you’re going for a layup, 2 shots at the hoop. If you’re at the 3 point line, 3 shots from three (for one point each). Idk, guys would probably just always foul on 3 point shots.
Incoming gobert being a 90% ft shooter
Home team gets to decide where the line is. Really work on that home court advantage.
I unironically love this. Like how home run distances vary per ballpark.
They should make the FT line different for each player, and base it on their current salary. G-League players on 10-day contracts get to do layups.
Nick Van Exel just did that for fun.
Van exel likes where your head is at.
We could try all sorts of things. We do hockey power plays for fouls in one game, another game anyone who fouls is immediately replaced and then sent to a different gym and they have to make 5 threes in a row before they can leave.
Agreed which is why to me it should be like hockey and a common foul if you embellish. And even if you’re fouled but embellish, then it’s a double foul. I remember when the NHL put that in and they don’t have this issue now because of it
It is a legitimate problem in both basketball and soccer that legitimate calls are missed more often if you don’t embellish.
Imo it’s not the common embellishment thats a problem in basketball it’s the complete no contact flops, jumping very obviously sideways into players to draw fouls that are realistically never fouls, and the intentional falling on a play where basically 0 contact is made.
If you get legitimately fouled and you flail your arms or swing your head back I don’t think people really have an issue with that compared to the above. I personally consider the above to be almost pure deception where embellishment of actual contact is not actually rooted in deception, it’s more of making true contact more obvious to the official. Obviously this is a spectrum though and in practice there is definitely some overlap
It’s simple: are you trying to make the shot and hoping to draw the foul or are you trying to draw the foul and hoping to make the shot? The former is ethical, the latter is not.
The NBA does have a flopping foul. The refs just don’t call it ever. It’s to the point where when I do see it get called, it feels like BS because they should be doing that every possession rather than only on this random play
Iirc it’s a technical foul and not a common foul by rule. And they did a season or two ago at the start but the fact a technical is such a harsh penalty and the enforcement wasn’t consistent and so they stopped calling it altogether. A common foul seems more reasonable anyway
Yeah you’re right. I forgot it was a tech. They should’ve made it a three strikes rule or something where over the season if you keep getting called for it, then you get an automatic tech
Yup, same with when they call a carry, or when an NFL ref calls holding that isn’t particularly egregious. It’s just a judgment call that can be used to sway games.
Praying Ant gives in and starts selling calls
He’s got that “AYY” on his jump for a layup or dunk and receives contact. But on that drive to the rim, he’s just a dog and doesn’t really embellish.
Cade started doing the “AYY” this past year and got way more calls lmao. It works! Refs are really gullible I guess.
Most players fall into either the whine or the flop category.
The whiners Luka ANT Russ Booker LeBron
The floppers SGA, Brunson, Jaylen brown.
Then you have some of the rare both Harden.
Put Jokic in the both camp
Ant doesn’t get calls when he’s blatantly fouled so I’m not sure it will help
Kobe would sell calls by shouting “AYYYY” so loudly we could hear him in the nosebleeds. But he wasn’t the type to do what’s happening now where guys are just laying themselves out and hitting the floor all the time
Selling calls is not the same thing as flopping though. Exaggerating contact means there is still contact and a foul should be called. Flopping is manufacturing a call when one shouldn’t have been made
Yeah, it’s not the selling people have a problem with. It’s the jumping straight to the side to get in the way of a defender who wouldn’t have even touched you otherwise and not even trying to make the shot.
I do think selling can be annoying to people if it’s over the top. No one enjoys seeing someone act like they got shot (falling to the ground dramatically) from minor contact.
Yup. And then there’s simply no contact and the guy falls anyway. And on top of that is how often we see it.
This is the part people don’t understand I think that make some players a lot worse than others.
Some guys embellish contact, but still are actually trying to make a play and finish a shot.
Some guys never intended to make a basketball play and aren’t embellishing contact, they are specifically just acting to get to the line with no basketball involved. They aren’t even embellishing contact. They are going in with a plan to flop around, wave their arms like a maniac, send the ball uncontrollably behind them and snap their head like they just got shot by a sniper even if the contact wasn’t even there.
One thing is a basketball skill and is fine. The other is literally not basketball and needs to be fixed.
What do you think when a defender bites on a pump fake and jumps into the offensive player? So the offensive player just chucks up a “shot” to get an easy shooting foul. Who is the onus on in that situation?
I feel like it’s a bit of a grey area
I don’t love it, but it’s at least something that takes advantage of a mistake that the defender made due to something the offensive player did. I see the offensive player as having “won” the possession in that way. So it’s not something that bothers me greatly, either.
Yeah I tend to agree.
I think it’s a foul on the defender if they jump on the pump fake and end up barrelling into the offensive player as they’re landing.
It’s either a no call or offensive foul if the defender jumps straight up or to the side of the offensive player, and the offensive player initiates the contact as they “shoot”.
I think if the defender is still in the shooters space and the shooter creates the contact in their natural shooting motion, it’s fair game.
I think what OP was referencing was in game 7 when Shai jumped left to create contact with Vassell. It was an awful call and Shai had no intent of trying to score that basketball.
Yeah that wasn’t a foul. I don’t know how the refs can see a guy jumping sideways and deem he was in a natural shooting motion. They need to be better. It’s not a pleasant watch, but players are going to keep doing it if the refs don’t fix up.
Yeah it’s not very aesthetic to watch, but agreed that it means the offensive player “won” with a good pump fake so it’s not unreasonable they get a FTA out of it.
If it’s the defender creating the contact or biting on a pump fake there’s no issue there.
If its the offensive player creating the contact or overselling the softest of contact there’s an issue there.
Drawing a foul that way shooting a normal shot is fine. SGA either jumps forward or sideways completely unnaturally to draw the foul. I don’t get why they stopped calling those offensive fouls. He’s jumping INTO the defender, not even trying to shoot to make a shot.
Then there’s whatever this is https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1tormg1/highlight_dylan_harper_is_called_for_the_foul_on/
And I swear there was a play where a Thunder player (Caruso?) drew a foul by pulling a Spur down by the arm in a really dangerous way, but I can’t find it.
And are you still trying to make the shot through the contact or are you just trying to do whatever tricky shit you can to get a whistle and FT’s.
All players sell calls. Wemby does it a ton.
You’d get downvoted for saying it. It shouldn’t take a Stephon Castle video clip in 2026 to give people cover for saying it.
There’s selling fouls, and there’s playing for a foul by flopping and throwing your whole body on the floor. These aren’t the same.
Your flair reminds me how often Melo would get fouled but he would just try to muscle through it. He did not get the free throws he should have.
Also, selling a call and flopping are not the same.
ant is ethical hooper
AY > flopping every damn day
And selling calls isn’t the same as actively hunting for calls without even bothering to legitimately try to score.
It’s also just fans picking and choosing who they want to come down hard on.
Jokic flops a ton and the past couple of years there has been floods of posts suggesting he never has and doesn’t because he also gets fouled a ton.
I mean there was a Yahoo article on falls and SGA did it about twice as much as the next highest rate of falling player, according to the article
He’s really in his own category here.
Plus he made the WCF, more games means the more people witness this monstrosity
Not to mention there is a difference between selling legitimate calls and flopping to draw phantom calls.
lol respect Mr Castle respect
Castle is now Thunder fans favorite player on the Spurs.
Nah still gotta be Harper
Dylan Harper is the SHIT. Devin Vassell is also awesome. He was their 2nd best player in our series.
Fuck Vassell but I love Harper Champagnie and Kornet even though every winning play they made hurt
Hell nah, him, Vessell, and Wemby can eat a bag of d****
But I respect his answer
What are your thoughts on Chet after this series cause seeing Vassell go after him like that in game 6 was wild.
Hes a bitch that needs therapy
I had to laugh lol 🤣
Chet is a really good player. I hate when fans turn on their players like this.
Vassell and Keldon both have had Spurs fans turn on them at one point and I hated seeing that too.
Chet is young, plays good defense and has a team first mentality. He’ll be back to form.
EDIT: I replied this before reading your other comments on Chet and see you were being tongue in cheek.
Were turning on him because hes getting paid a max contract and playing 30 minutes a game only to not show up at all in the playoffs when hes a consistent 20 ppg player. Were pissed off. Anyone saying sell him though when he was 2nd to wemby in defense this season is crazy.
Depends, if you defend your own player through and through, you get accused of being a homer zero awareness
Most Thunder fans are still good with Chet provided he improves and be accountable while acknowledging his bad performance
I love Chet man, he’s a great player, and loves the city, but I can’t even look at his name right now without getting sick to my stomach.
Understandable. If he even has a “below average/slightly bad” game 7; Thunder win for sure.
flopping discourse is just how you see a player.
like knicks fans are talking ethical basketball but jalen brunson is there flicking his hair back every opportunity
Brunson has been much better this post season compared to the last few in terms of flailing. I say this as a certified Knicks hater, but the Knicks have changed the brand of basketball. They play faster, and don’t rely on iso Brunson for everything.
I agree. I also think that they haven’t been really challenged for those calls/actions to come imo
So has the flopping been less or simply there haven’t been a real need for it? We’ll see these coming weeks.
Didn’t see much flopping on the 22 point 4th quarter comeback when they definitely were challenged.
It’s probably more like if he feels early in the game the refs are gonna let them play tonight, he doesn’t bother selling
I think the flopping has been less because he doesn’t dominate every possession like the last few years.
Bridges and Hart bring the ball up the court more and push the offense a lot more. They are also running the offense through KAT a lot more at the top of the key.
I really think the Brunson flopping had a lot to do with Thibs not actually running anything resembling an offense. Now it’s decently distributed and with more pace leading to less flailing by way of the offense.
Respect on this. I’m biased but I largely agree, there’s been a lot more Brunson off ball leading to less selling on his part this post season. He definitely still does it at times, some more egregious than others, and personally I hate the goofier baiting he still throws in from time to time.
People are stuck in 2024 when it comes to talking about Brunson
thats bc people dont actually watch games
Honestly I think it comes down to seeking contact and then flopping or CREATING contact then flopping one of these looks so much worse lmao
What’s the difference between seeking contact and creating contact? You have to seek contact to create it.
Theres the difference between driving hard getting hit then selling the fall and the act of pushing off then jumping into the defender for free throws.
I thought they stopped the stopping short shit after Trae Young did it a bunch. Then we watch McCain stop get slightly brushed from behind and crumple to the ground for the call.
It’s really not hard to see the difference, but people are purposefully being obtuse.
Guys he likes do one thing and guys he doesn’t do the other obviously
Seeking contact is driving to the rim knowing someone will make contact with you.
Creating contact is jumping into a defender when they try and block your shot.
Selling calls is when your bumped/touched lightly but you exaggerate how much it affected you.
Exactly. There is a very obvious difference between playing with the intention of going to the FT line vs selling a call.
the problem with this is its literally just random clips that go viral - brunson does not do that most of the time - looks to actually score the ball and averages signigicantly less free throws than others because of that.
For instance - Paolo Banchero has 13 less free throws than brunson in the playoffs. Paolo hasn’t played in more than a month. Brunson is 18th in these playoffs below hilarious names
Brunson walked the Cavs down by himself with zero FTs all we need to know
Brunson flops but he’s not even top 10 in FTA stats this season
I’m curious the last time you watched him play because he’s largely eliminated that from his game but the old narratives still get spewed
He more does it in key situations and when his shot isn’t falling. He has genuinely cut back a lot on it as he used to flop a lot more. But yes in key spots he still will do it to sell a call
in the last series i feel like he was doing it specifically to frustrate max strus. seemed like it was very effective.
Nah bullshit. Anyone who says OKC doesn’t flop more than all of these others teams is being fucking disingenuous. The gaslighting is insane
OKC Flopping: Put a shirt on
San Antonio Flopping: Empowering
handsome guy & ugly dude hr meme
Wemby cries during a regular season game in March; Aww, you’re so sweet 🥰
Pat Bev cries after winning the play-ins and qualifying for the post-season; Hello, human resources?!?😳
the counterjerk is already happening
“the spurs just flop in such a classy way”
There is literally a comment in the thread above this one saying almost exactly that, I’ve never seen shit like this man lmao
Exactly. Whole sub can fuck right off lmao.
The pivot after game 7 should be studied. Felt like this sub was a testing group for upcoming midterm election bots.
People are now acting like brunson isnt one of the worst floppers in the league
Half the comments are just karma farming
i legit wonder if the nba hired bots or something to manufacture spurs love. this sub was going into psychosis last series. never seen that level of bullshit in the nba community. it was terrible.
I do not like the thunder at all but people on here were feral, foaming at the mouth hating them and being insanely toxic to okc fans like yall had anything to do with the grievences we have with the team
I’ve seen comments about the okc bombing get upvoted, comments about how everyone in Oklahoma is trash, etc etc. This subreddit is gross as fuck and like 50% of the commenters here need therapy, and that’s not hyperbole.
The Wemby glaze is crazy tbh
Dude it was insane
I got hella whiplash in this thread. What the hell is going on lol
People don’t really give a shit about flopping so much as they care about being able to use it as an excuse to join the hatewagon and shit on the thunder.
Everyone in here justifying flopping and saying “nuance” when it’s people they like is sad. Especially when they refuse to use that same nuance and give that same grace to peeps they don’t like. It’s a cogninative dissonance that’s really widespread these days
Acting like they do it the same amount is just disingenuous lol
Lmaooo
It’s always been this way lmao
Manu and Tony were so good at it. But they also finished through contact instead of looking for flop opportunies and just throwing up straight garbage
As somebody who was super happy Spurs came out with the W, I did feel they came out selling a lot more G3 onwards lol.
Unfortunately with the way the game is ref’d an elite team would put themselves at a disadvantage not selling calls or looking for fouls, it’s obviously rewarding. Putting Wemby in foul trouble should be the Knicks gameplan.
And Wemby should be looking to foul KAT out whenever possible. Although OG might be on him more.
we have two elite downhill attacking guards
KAT is gonna be getting targeted on defense nonstop by Castle and Harper (and Fox too, if he’s not settling for middys). getting him in foul trouble early will be the plan every game.
Pretty surprised OKC didn’t do that when Wemby got 5 fouls in G7. I was hella mad at Wemby getting his fourth and fifth foul on bad reason
that was shocking to me, they had plenty of opportunity and missed wide open attacks on him. A couple of times they drove on him then just kicked it back out. The game could have swung a diffrent direction if they just went full steam into him as soon as he checked back in. Huge missed opportunity for OKC, and glad they didn’t capitalize on it.
Castle (and many others) have been doing this for a while now. Constantly throwing his head back, falling, exaggerating when he gets knocked off balance. He didn’t get rewarded that much for it though so while it’s annoying, it doesn’t really ruin the game.
I don’t care if you flop around if there is no reward, it only hurts your team. It’s when guys get rewarded for it, expect it, then rely on it for their game that ruins the experience.
Castle throwing his head back on minimum contact was so annoying. It is very easy to spot with his big ass hair. He has the talent, his team has the talent, just play properly.
I’d love to see examples because the nature of how both team “sell” was night and day all series. I’d ask Thunder fans to point me to specific examples, and they’d show some hard drives by Castle finishing a tough And 1, but because he threw his head back dramatically in the process, they felt it was the same. The only “soft” ones I can think of are the ones Wemby would draw when he was facing up on the perimeter with a big man on him and putting a shot he when he would anticipate a body bump or a reach in….they looked soft but they were real fouls because those bigs are poor perimeter defenders.
Then you compare that with J-Will running into defenders and just collapsing, or Joe running into Barnes and going flying, or McCain dribbling in front of a defender and going limp as soon as the defender bumped into him, or Dort navigating screens an throwing his entire lower body on the ground to make it look like he was clipped….and then all the countless times SGA ended up on the ground for no explicable reason.
It’s just not comparable, every team sells to an extent, but only one team makes it a core part of their identity and team philosophy.
Great write up, and McCain’s was even worse than just going limp, he actively kicked his legs back behind him to fall on the floor. His waist doesn’t move much relative to the floor as his legs sweep backwards and he falls down. I’m so glad that the refs were not calling that bullshit in game 7.
It’s unreal to me how stupid and delusional people have to be in order to actually believe that the Spurs are as floppy as OKC, or to believe that OKC does not systematically coach their players on how to flop and find other ways to take advantage of the holes in the officiating system.
Maybe the flop a bit more but I don’t necessarily think thunder flop so much more than other teams to the extent people make it seem. Maybe they do it a bit more than average but I think the narrative is overblown a bit.
Not trying to start an argument just giving an alternative opinion! End of the day I agree league needs to not give so many advantages to the offensive player
Dude they flopped a shit ton verses us as well. Really infuriating.
Flopping, Selling a call, Foul baiting
I feel like they have different levels
“selling a call” isn’t the same as “manufacturing a call”. One happened and you’re trying to get it noticed, one was neglible/non-existent and you’re trying to make it look like it did,
Yea, that’s basically what I was getting at
There’s levels to this.
To me, Flailing is the lowest form of it
Castle is still an elite grifter tho. People will catch on to it soon enough. And also, one day people will aknowledge that, just like it’s good to have an enforcer on a team, it’s probably good to have one (or more) grifter
Castle more honest about himself than Spurs fans are about him.
Respect.
Name a fan base in the NBA that doesn’t irrationally defend its best players? It’s what we do as sports fans. Castle sells calls but he is one of about 100 players in the NBA that do. I’ve seen Ant Edwards sell plenty of calls.
Every fanbase feels the need to act morally superior to one another while it’s all just monkeys throwing shit at each other.
Defend your own players
Also have other fanbases call you out cause you don’t call your own players out
Also have other fanbases call you out if you’re not in “I don’t really care about what other fanbases think, I just enjoy my own team” mode
Rinse and repeat
I would say ant isn’t egregious about it. He seems much more like he wants to make a good play rather than draw the foul. He gets calls mostly on his drives.
You act like it’s only spurs fans that defend their players lol fans gotta stop acting all superior about players selling calls wolves fans would be celebrating if Ant got favourable calls
I think it also has to do with their top player talking about ethical basketball and so on
Did anyone actually watch the whole video of Wemby talking about “ethical basketball” bc it was not shade to okc AT ALL. His understanding of “ethical” is the basic definition of that word and not whatever nba discourse has made it out to be. He was talking about his one team playing an unselfish brand of basketball where every player is running and passing the ball like the beautiful game spurs. Wemby has been complimentary of the spurs since the cup games, even after he won he said how difficult it was to beat them bc of how good they are.
I would hated on him so hard if he said he didn’t sell calls after watching how he played against the wolves now I gained some love for him even though I want to hate him
I mean the Wolves also just play football lol
C’mon now be for real
For the record, I absolutely love how physical yall play. Yall fouled the shit out of us and we returned the favor as well. Jaden McDaniels and Steph Castle are like the spider man meme, both straight face dogs on defense and neither of them really complain or show any emotion. I’m sure we will see yall again for more pulling, pushing and elbowing ;) in the future.
Woah now elbows were thrown from both sides
Yall played football and wemby played Mortal Kombat 4. It’s not mutually exclusive 😂
Man I miss playoff basketball it was so fun watching those games rooting for my team
Next year, healthy ant / DDV, let’s run it back
Wear it with a badge of honor, seems like all the best defenses get told they play football.
Amazing how quickly the tone changes in the sub when it’s one of the golden boys who embellishes calls and not public enemy #1.
If shai said he sells calls I think that would be appreciated ngl
He said this countless times… you just have no interest in listening
lol
lmao even
To me, flopping isn’t exaggerating or selling contact. It’s when you were in fact not touched and you go down like you’ve been shot. Like Chet falling down and grabbing his face when he in fact wasn’t even touched.
If this is the sole definition then SGA shouldn’t be that bad, save for a few ones bailed out by refs or being called soft fouls. Post game highlights usually show he does receive contact and most fouls are the correct calls
Obviously people have their own interpretation of what flopping. SGA does flop and has probably the best whistle but the discourse around here make it seem like he reinvented flopping. I think hunts for fouls more than he flops for no reason
I still think the prime Harden comparisons and the fall% stat are ridiculous
90% of the time, SGA initiates contact, pushes off, and then falls down. Should be an offensive foul, but it never is, cause he falls down. Cant blame him cuz they reward him, but that doesn’t mean anyone has to like that play style. The data proves this. SGA is a bucket and I think he would have had a better series if he made honest attempts to make his shots instead of playing for the whistle.
Ya that’s why I was saying your first definition is not the sole definition
SGA definitely gets contact and what he does is different than what Chet did
Yeah, and I think for a lot of players sometimes it’s instinctual. You get bumped you might sell the contact a little bit.
Lmao
The flopping discourse was so overblown during the OKC series, it’s like trying to call holding on every football play. Spurs and Knicks push off and sell calls, it’s basketball. People just went psychotic during the OKC series.
They just hate us because they anus lol
Props for being honest.
And if 95% of this sub were honest, they’d know their own teams do the flop and stiff arm just like SGA. Go watch what happens under the rim too. Everybody (OKC and your team) are arm-hooking, grabbing jerseys, elbowing.
Hate the SGA stiff arm pushoff? You ain’t gonna like it when Luka, Harden (no surprise) and Steph himself do it too. Actually watch their arms and what they do before the shot, and not just anticipate the shot going on. Also, per NBA rules, there is a ‘grey area’ where a forearm is allowed so long the arm is bent, but a straight arm is what gets called. Hence why players will maximize this and make sure their forearm is doing the shove off, not the entire arm.
Ethical flopping lol
“ethical” needs to be removed from sports discourse
Idk what fans think almost all players don’t sell calls, it’s a strategic part of the game whether you like it or not these mfers get paid millions to win
you don’t understand, when teams I like do it it’s because their players are strategic and just playing the game
But when teams I don’t like do it it’s because they’re dirty talentless players can’t do anything else!
Not every flop or sell is the same, or look the same. Getting hit in the chest and throwing your head back and holding your face isn’t the same as getting smacked on the arm and throwing your hands up.
Getting hit in the chest and throwing your head back
The Wemby special
I really got gaslite by every redditor in existence just for this guy to come out and own it.
It’s crazy how the player/coach discourse almost never matches the fan hysteria. Very refreshing.
I’m so happy he’s said it bro I’ve been saying it’s coached league wide. Y’all be tripping. OKC does have some shit calls but it’s more of a league problem than OKC.
Isn’t flopping and selling a call different? I thought of flopping as faking a foul vs selling a call is exaggerating the foul in order for it to be called.
This sub’s mass psychosis over the last year has basically demolished that distinction but yeah, this used to be accepted as true. The latter is way more common than the former
Now that the Thunder are out we can all admit everyone does it. Carry on. Time to find something else to hate on.
Shutdown the entire sub
This is literally all anyone was saying in the previous series. But nobody wants to hear it lmaoooo
Selling calls is different from getting a guy to jump and then jumping into him while pretending to shoot.
This will always be so funny to me.
I love how you all pretend like the defender has no other choice but to fling his body in the air when shown a pumpfake.
Players do this all the time even from three or half court pretending to be in shooting motion to get 3 FTs because why wouldn’t you. That’s still part of selling calls. An example is this Jokic heave to me is a smart move https://youtu.be/J3p7ZrTi7Jk?si=buBzXY0gXrZzx9zM didn’t get the call but did he really mean to shoot that to get a bucket or hope to get FTs?
Flopping to me is exaggerating contact, flying around and acting when you were barely pushed (think Marcus Smart). An offensive player foulhunting like the CP3 rip through is part of the game unless it’s the prime Harden type of hooking a defender’s arms
Correct, you’re talking about a shitty defender biting on a move, thus preventing the offensive player from being able to score. So it makes sense that it’s a call that’s always been a foul in basketball and will always be a foul in basketball, and clearly only a moron would start complaining about it now.
Glad we established that.
Castle is definitely the Spurs biggest flopper.
Wembanyama is worse.
Don’t know if I’m more sick of hearing about tanking, or flopping.
You have to sell calls. The refs wont call it otherwise. It’s sad.
this sub’s hatred for sga and the thunder will be a debt settled in purgatory
My team could never
Facts bro, what even is a flop
Tbh one of my biggest concerns with Castle his rookie year and the first half of this year was that he couldn’t get a call to save his life so if he has to sell them harder to get it so be it.
For the 1000th time the issue was never selling calls, the issue is initiating contact and straight up faking contact. Everyone exaggerates contact to get the refs to make a call, not everyone is wrapping the pickers arm around them and falling to the floor.
Delusional
He’s honest
Castle and Wemby do a lot the moves people complain about; they’re just the flavor of the month. We loved SGA like that too. It’s up the league to crackdown on it. All these guys start off not doing it then adopt it. Jokic started flopping. Embiid came in clean then started flopping
I love this man
Everyone embellishes contact, and flops to a certain degree. Never have I ever seen an entire team flopping like it was coached or something 😅
Selling calls is different than flopping? If you get fouled you might need to exaggerate. That’s different from pretending you got hit when there was zero to minimal contact that shouldn’t warrant a foul,
They all do. Okc is just better at it than everyone
I think of all people that series, Castle can say this. Could you imagine anyone on OKC trying to say this?!