What we really didn’t have was Al Horford

Murphy fits into the Simons TPE, so why would we trade Derrick for him? You’d want both.

I’d bet knicks tbh

Don’t think thats gonna be the case. Knicks have been clicking on all cylinders and aren’t banged up like OKC was. Have more guys that can consistently create offense than them.

I’m a huge Brown supporter but all the numbers point to Tatum being the better player. He been 1st team multiple times during the past three years, has scored more points much more efficiently than Brown, is the better and more versatile defender, the better rebounder, and the much better passer.

Even this postseason, which you cite, Tatum was much more efficient than Brown. Brown does have the post season accolades over Tatum during the 24’ run but even then Tatum had the better raw numbers that postseason. He also gets no love for doing the dirty work during the Mavs series.

Not to be too snarky, but based on your 2nd sentence you might know something that 29 head coaches don’t. For some reason they focus their defense on Tatum

Doesn’t exist. They aren’t trading their best player for some random package of guys and picks that are no different than stuff they already have.

Article about Bam’s 3pt shooting if anyone is interested: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article304009901.html

We’d have to move white to make salaries work. Something like White and Hauser and 3 future frp for Bam. While the Heat move White to a third team for more picks.

It would cost a lot knowing Pat Riley but Bam with the Jays would be super good.

why would Miami trade their best player for none of the Celtics best 3 players lol

It’s inevitable, unfortunately. Half of the sub are shitting on him now, as it is.

It sucks too because Jaylen is def more likely to remember the 10% of fans that would shit on him over the 90% of fans that still love him

I agree, but I’m fully expecting some fans to turn on him in that way.

Social media is social media, but I’ve already seen fans on there saying they won’t watch if JB is still on the team this upcoming season or saying they want him gone whether we get Giannis or not.

Sorry I don’t get it, can you please explain to me? Isn’t having the talent in KAT and Robinson being in the C also, a massive factor in enabling Anunoby there? Celtics don’t have that kind of rotation for C.

Our frontcourt problem isn’t defensively I don’t think - it’s on offense.

The OKC series just showed that even a really good defensive true big is going to be too small to do much about Wemby. I think accepting you’ll lose the height battle and sending reallly strong guys with lower centers of gravity that can keep him off his spots will be the better path. Think Tony Allen defending KD just sized up a position. Like you said, we’ve already got people on the roster who can foot that bill.

Our problem the last two years is that when we come up against a real center on a competent defense we can’t move him away from the basket to help Tatum/Brown get some driving room.

2030-31: start the rebuild

2028 FRP is probably gonna be 29 or 30. (Swap with SAS to payoff White).

2029 FRP is just gone. (Jrue Holiday, and a title, was worth it.)

No SRP in either draft year.

Tough spot to ‘start’ a rebuild. Hugo could still be the youngest player on the roster.

I would be really surprised if any team decided to be in the 2nd apron at end of the season for 1 year, let alone 2. So, I think “spend whatever it takes” still has a limit.

It’s possible the new CBA in 2030 has less severe restrictions. They are always reactionary to what has already happened. Even more reason to time it so 2030-31 is when we pivot. If the restrictions are loosened, maybe we keep a contending team together. Or if we rebuild, we rebuild. It just makes sense to do what you described here, I’ve been saying this for a while where this past year and this upcoming year don’t have to be “gap” years, but they are absolutely cost cutting years.

There is absolutely no way we bring in big money like Giannis with Tatum and Brown, or the recent rumors of Trey Murphy unless White is going out, or all these other expensive options. If a player makes over $30M and the idea doesn’t involve Brown going out, it’s not even worth entertaining as realistic.

d white surely has to be off the team by 2030 i’d hope. Man 33 year old tatum and brown sounds so sad. On one hand players nowadays last longer but idk how much they’d be useful to build around at that point

I’m curious if a trade with BKN (#27 for the lesser of the Nets 2029 first round picks) frees up even more draft capital. Being able to trade the 2030 pick (rather than 2034), permits a “rebuild” timeline after THIS window closes.

I’m of 2 minds with Tatum -

1. This injury will change his mindset regarding playing every game and may encourage him to sit when he’s dealing with a nagging injury.

2. This injury may lead to more injuries (as they tend to do) which could potentially change the way he plays and/or lead to problems with reliability, trade value, etc.

Next year is going to be an interesting season, I think.

His impact metrics were good this year and his efficiency was good vs the 76ers. I think he’ll be back to his old self, maybe even better

This is a fun toy! I fiddled for 10 minutes or so and managed to spin Kareem, Lebron, McGrady, AI, and Magic Johnson for 81-1. I’m going to quit; I don’t think I’m going to get better than that

*edit: I DID FIDDLE. wooo Westbrook + Dr J + McGrady + Malone + Wilt goes 82-0. Nice! I enjoyed that more than I think I reasonably should have. 1960s Wilt from Golden State is a gamebreaker with that ⁴¹⁄₂₅ line

It’s fun for a few spins but the fact that just mashing together inflated counting stats are what generates the best record kills it for me. Like if you land on the Spurs for the 2010s, no sane person would take DeRozan over Duncan, but it seems like that’s the meta.

I feel like the Spurs themselves would be interested in Trey Murphy and would have no need for the Celtics in this deal lol

Derrick White and pick swaps for Murphy? No thanks. 3 wings (plus Bey) when we have 3 young wings sitting on the bench and are left with 1 guard on the roster. Unless you had another trade in mind to give up Brown/Gonzalez/Walsh/Scheierman to get a guard(s), this trade is a hard pass for me

Fun idea and you put some thought into this, so I appreciate it, but Derrick White is better than Trey Murphy imo

that’s a lot of forwards on our team no?

Because you’re talking about different individuals most likely lol.

Seems like you are jumping to conclusions for no reason. It very well could happen. I personally want it to, depending on what the package looks like. Could also add him and still avoid the first apron. We’ll see what happens 3-4 weeks from now.

Do you know what the Bucks are asking for? Because I don’t. Maybe they want Tatum. Maybe they want Brown + White + all our firsts + Hugo + we have to take Kuzma.

It’s really hard for me to get upset about a deal I don’t know the specifics of. Heck, maybe we do trade for Giannis. Maybe they got his medical records and things look bleak. Maybe Tatum isn’t interested in Giannis. There are so many factors to consider as to whether a deal would make sense or not

Brad operates in silence, so until the Giannis trade happens, I’m not going to assume anything one way or the other.

There are other concerns to Giannis beyond the talent

1. He also was a perfect fit with Dame on paper and it was pointed out during their tenure together he slipped out of screens and they didn’t play off one another, it was just his turn my turn. They were just 2 talented guys who didn’t maximize their potential.

2. He had a lot of calf injuries last year which is an Achilles waiting to happen. Could be next year, could be when he’s 35 idk. But if we trade for him and he tears his Achilles at his age with his playstyle, we can kiss any championships goodbye as we waste Tatum’s prime over a trade people will most certainly regret in hindsight

3. He doesn’t shoot which means you have to trade Queta, who was a big part of why we won 56 games last year. We know Luka Garza is not good enough to be the starting 5 in the playoffs, and nobody liked Vucevic while he was here. What other stretch 5 is available that you’d like to start? Old ass Horford or Brook Lopez? Jusuf Nurkic? Not many names available unless you trade for one and are giving up more assets.

You have to acknowledge we are ducking the tax likely next season anyway with or without Giannis, it is the most practical approach to adding pieces to load up in a later year without giving up significant capital. If you trade for Giannis and go “all in” and go over the 1st apron, you’re likely going into the 2nd apron too soon because of necessary extensions which will trigger the frozen draft pick and moving to the end of the first round 7 years from then. Which means in 2034 or 2035 we will automatically pick 30th. I know you might not care now, but if Wemby 2.0 comes along and we have a real chance to get him because we’re rebuilding when Tatum is ³⁶⁄₃₇, you’ll be kicking yourself that we’re picking 30th instead of 1st because of a trade nearly a decade prior. The kind of stuff that sets franchises back a decade. Did we not learn from the Nets trade that landed us Tatum and Brown that “screw the picks, we want to win now” can backfire?

Not to mention all the other 2nd apron restrictions like limiting trades, not being able to use exceptions to sign free agents. 2nd apron basically means your team is locked into place. If bringing in talent doesn’t work you can’t pivot and re-tool the team as easily.

And I know we can hand-wave the tax bill, but it’s something no owner has proven they want to stomach. Idk why you’d expect Bill “I don’t even have enough money to purchase the team so I have to bring in my private equity firm shareholders” Chisholm to be the exception.

There’s a lot more to consider than just the immediate excitement of pairing 2 talented guys like Tatum and Giannis

We don’t know we aren’t going to do it yet man. Still several weeks to go.

We don’t know they would play well together until you actually see it. We thought Kyrie would be amazing with the Jays.

When we give Tatum and Brown the keys and they’re both healthy, this team has never finished worse than ECF.

2 down years where Tatum was injured doesn’t mean we’ll never have success ever again…

Oh man, as a record collector too, I’m jealous

Can’t see the image but those custom shirts with the ³³¹⁄₃ number sound pretty cool, especially from local guys. Brad definitely knows how to work with what he’s got so I’m optimistic too about next season even with roster changes